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LinkMarioSamus 08/21/22 3:33:01 PM #251:	MoogleKupo141 posted... it helps that MCU movies are generally pretty good compared to something like The League of extraordinary Gentlemen which was like universally negatively reviewed maybe people would have shown up more for the lower tier characters if the movies werent garbage That was precisely the reason I cited The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (which funnily enough is now owned by Disney). It was probably the closest thing to The Avengers before The Avengers but it was generally agreed across the board the execution was, to put it simply, left wanting. Certain filmmakers would have you believe that merely putting popular characters in a movie together guarantees money. It didn't until The Avengers because no one knew how to execute the concept properly. Heck even after that it didn't guarantee money, see the theatrical cut of Justice League. --- Why do people act like the left is the party of social justice crusaders? <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:967469381] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite><quote>it helps that MCU movies are generally pretty good compared to something like The League of extraordinary Gentlemen which was like universally negatively reviewed maybe people would have shown up more for the lower tier characters if the movies werent garbage</quote>That was precisely the reason I cited The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (which funnily enough is now owned by Disney). It was probably the closest thing to The Avengers before The Avengers but it was generally agreed across the board the execution was, to put it simply, left wanting.Certain filmmakers would have you believe that merely putting popular characters in a movie together guarantees money. It didn't until The Avengers because no one knew how to execute the concept properly. Heck even after that it didn't guarantee money, see the theatrical cut of Justice League.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/21/22 3:54:34 PM #252:	Well, LMS, the LXG is less about being the Avengers in the comics than... the Avengers, in the British sense, the original spy organization. The fact that they went supergroup when the comic really is a lot of talking with punctuated grisly brutal violence here and there is part of the issue. The flaw was going super-Avengers rather than spy-Avengers. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:967469879] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Well, LMS, the LXG is less about being the Avengers in the comics than... the Avengers, in the British sense, the original spy organization. The fact that they went supergroup when the comic really is a lot of talking with punctuated grisly brutal violence here and there is part of the issue. The flaw was going super-Avengers rather than spy-Avengers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 08/21/22 4:52:57 PM #253:	its kind of a stretch to cal the League popular characters like the Avengers unless youre posting from 1900 or something the youth of post-9/11 America were not going crazy for Dorian Gray and Captain Nemo. come see all your favorite public domain characters from your local library team up wasnt an inherently compelling sales pitch --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:967470998] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>its kind of a stretch to cal the League popular characters like the Avengers unless youre posting from 1900 or something the youth of post-9/11 America were not going crazy for Dorian Gray and Captain Nemo. come see all your favorite public domain characters from your local library team up wasnt an inherently compelling sales pitch</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 08/21/22 4:54:11 PM #254:	HanOfTheNekos posted... Like, you can maybe try to make the argument that Scott Lang is as much of a nobody as Shang-Chi, but Hank Pym is in the top 40 of Marvel characters in terms of amount of publications, in spite of him not being an X character. Yeah, to be fair, I had never heard of Scott Lang, but I did know of Hank Pym. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:967471012] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>HanOfTheNekos posted... </cite><quote>Like, you can maybe try to make the argument that Scott Lang is as much of a nobody as Shang-Chi, but Hank Pym is in the top 40 of Marvel characters in terms of amount of publications, in spite of him not being an X character.</quote>Yeah, to be fair, I had never heard of Scott Lang, but I did know of Hank Pym.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/21/22 5:14:56 PM #255:	In that case, I'll say the mantle outweighs the man underneath. You're selling Paul Rudd as Ant-Man more than you're selling Paul Rudd as Scott Lang. Unlike a franchise where the name matters, like if DC suddenly went with Jay Garrick as Flash, and suddenly you have that much more uphill of a battle. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:967471403] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>In that case, I'll say the mantle outweighs the man underneath. You're selling Paul Rudd as Ant-Man more than you're selling Paul Rudd as Scott Lang. Unlike a franchise where the name matters, like if DC suddenly went with Jay Garrick as Flash, and suddenly you have that much more uphill of a battle.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCain 08/21/22 5:26:04 PM #256:	Hey I'd be all for a Jay Garrick Flash at this point. They should just make a JSA movie to kick everything off... then again we're talking about WBDiscovery now and my faith in their ability to make a good DC movie has decreased from very slightly to virtually none. --- I don't kill... but I don't lose either. <cite>CassandraCain posted [p:967471625] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Hey I'd be all for a Jay Garrick Flash at this point. They should just make a JSA movie to kick everything off... then again we're talking about WBDiscovery now and my faith in their ability to make a good DC movie has decreased from very slightly to virtually none.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GuessMyUserName 08/21/22 5:26:45 PM #257:	John Wesley Shipp Barry Allen vs John Wesley Shipp Jay Gerrick --- I request affiliated many pipes. Been a bad girl, I know I am. And I'm so hot, I need a fan. I don't want a boy, I need a man. <cite>GuessMyUserName posted [p:967471633] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>John Wesley Shipp Barry Allen vs John Wesley Shipp Jay Gerrick</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Lasastryke 08/21/22 5:38:45 PM #258:	CassandraCain posted... Iron Fist was always the master martial artist, if it wasn't for that failure of a show we probably would have gotten him instead of Shang-Chi. I had never even heard of the latter before the movie and there doesn't seem to be any must read comics for him. i read the first 20 issues or so of master of kung fu as a kid because my dad owned them. don't know if they're "must read" but i remember liking them. if nothing else, the art was very good. anyway, shang-chi isn't as big as ant-man. don't know why this even became an argument. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr_Lasastryke posted [p:967471895] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>CassandraCain posted... </cite><quote>Iron Fist was always the master martial artist, if it wasn't for that failure of a show we probably would have gotten him instead of Shang-Chi. I had never even heard of the latter before the movie and there doesn't seem to be any must read comics for him.</quote>i read the first 20 issues or so of master of kung fu as a kid because my dad owned them. don't know if they're "must read" but i remember liking them. if nothing else, the art was very good.anyway, shang-chi isn't as big as ant-man. don't know why this even became an argument.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 08/21/22 5:47:01 PM #259:	Putting aside Lopen's inexcusably stupid personal attack on scarlet, I believe the point being made was that to a COMPLETE COMICS CASUL, Ant-Man and Shang Chi are both unknowns and therefore "risks." I don't think this is completely wrong. However, I do think Ant-Man was as least somewhat in the public consciousness in that people were aware that he existed / could make an educated guess as to his power set. --- while you slept, the world changed <cite>colliding posted [p:967472041] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Putting aside Lopen's inexcusably stupid personal attack on scarlet, I believe the point being made was that to a COMPLETE COMICS CASUL, Ant-Man and Shang Chi are both unknowns and therefore "risks." I don't think this is completely wrong. However, I do think Ant-Man was as least somewhat in the public consciousness in that people were aware that he existed / could make an educated guess as to his power set. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 08/21/22 5:50:18 PM #260:	HanOfTheNekos posted... There's not even nuance about it - Ant-Man is like 1000x more recognizable than Shang-Chi, before the movie came out. That's not even exaggeration - Shang-Chi is SUCH a nobody. That is a gross exaggeration-- a small amount of people HAVE heard of Shang Chi, but let's say you're right for the sake of argument. The ratio you're looking at for people who have heard of each character is like. 1000x 0.002% for Shang = 2% for Ant-Man. MCU brand is doing the vast amount of heavy lifting for both properties, is my point. Virtual unknown vs total unknown barely matters. What I said to scarlet was out of line perhaps and I'm sorry about that but it doesn't make him right nor does it mean I said what I said to be a dick either. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:967472090] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>HanOfTheNekos posted... </cite><quote>There's not even nuance about it - Ant-Man is like 1000x more recognizable than Shang-Chi, before the movie came out. That's not even exaggeration - Shang-Chi is SUCH a nobody.</quote>That is a gross exaggeration-- a small amount of people HAVE heard of Shang Chi, but let's say you're right for the sake of argument. The ratio you're looking at for people who have heard of each character is like.1000x 0.002% for Shang = 2% for Ant-Man. MCU brand is doing the vast amount of heavy lifting for both properties, is my point. Virtual unknown vs total unknown barely matters. What I said to scarlet was out of line perhaps and I'm sorry about that but it doesn't make him right nor does it mean I said what I said to be a dick either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCain 08/21/22 5:54:51 PM #261:	You are wrong though. Ant-Man was somewhat known about before his movie. Shang-Chi was completely unheard of by anyone, even comic book readers. Guardians of the Galaxy were also more obscure than Ant-Man. And before the movies, if you asked someone who Ant-Man was and they didn't know, they could still likely infer what their power is at least. If you asked anybody about Shang-Chi or the Guardians they would only say "who?" --- I don't kill... but I don't lose either. <cite>CassandraCain posted [p:967472194] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>You are wrong though. Ant-Man was somewhat known about before his movie. Shang-Chi was completely unheard of by anyone, even comic book readers. Guardians of the Galaxy were also more obscure than Ant-Man.And before the movies, if you asked someone who Ant-Man was and they didn't know, they could still likely infer what their power is at least. If you asked anybody about Shang-Chi or the Guardians they would only say "who?"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 08/21/22 5:56:13 PM #262:	CassandraCain posted... Ant-Man was somewhat well known before his movie I don't agree with this at all no. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:967472224] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>CassandraCain posted... </cite><quote>Ant-Man was somewhat well known before his movie</quote>I don't agree with this at all no. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 08/21/22 5:58:42 PM #263:	Guardians of the Galaxy on the other hand sounds like the name of a random sci fi flick so doesn't need the MCU brand to do the lifting-- it could be its own property --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:967472275] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Guardians of the Galaxy on the other hand sounds like the name of a random sci fi flick so doesn't need the MCU brand to do the lifting-- it could be its own property</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCain 08/21/22 5:58:50 PM #264:	You don't have to agree, it doesn't make your opinion a fact. --- I don't kill... but I don't lose either. <cite>CassandraCain posted [p:967472280] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>You don't have to agree, it doesn't make your opinion a fact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 08/21/22 6:09:28 PM #265:	I do think there's a definite level difference between Ant-Man and Shang-Chi, in that you can basically ask: Do you HAVE to read the comics to know them, or could you consume other Marvel media and see the character? Shang-Chi has always been the former, Ant-Man was the latter. You can argue about how important it is, but there's definitely a notable gap between them. Ant-Man also benefits from the fact you could Google "Avengers" and have a very decent chance of seeing him. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:967472486] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>I do think there's a definite level difference between Ant-Man and Shang-Chi, in that you can basically ask: Do you HAVE to read the comics to know them, or could you consume other Marvel media and see the character? Shang-Chi has always been the former, Ant-Man was the latter. You can argue about how important it is, but there's definitely a notable gap between them.Ant-Man also benefits from the fact you could Google "Avengers" and have a very decent chance of seeing him.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/21/22 6:12:21 PM #266:	MoogleKupo141 posted... its kind of a stretch to cal the League popular characters like the Avengers unless youre posting from 1900 or something the youth of post-9/11 America were not going crazy for Dorian Gray and Captain Nemo. come see all your favorite public domain characters from your local library team up wasnt an inherently compelling sales pitch Yeah, you know, this actually a really interesting conversation from a cultural and numbers perspective. Is there a place anymore for literary characters to have great success? I think part of the issue is just how bad LXG was written, how lambasted (deservedly) it was. You look at its cast and really, it's reliant entirely on Connery for starpower, too. You have all of these characters with connections to major cultural touchstones - but the issue is that you have to have some momentum. I look at it's box office, and I'm like, "Hell, it did really good for the reaction it got!" It made 180 million worldwide on an 80 million dollar budget. That's pretty impressive, especially considering we were still in this early period of testing the waters of superheroes. It was a cottage industry, and the quality was still wildly variable. Sometimes, I think the problem is just that a movie sucks. I wonder about a world where, say, you've got Guy Richie directing a Steve Zaillan written League. Maybe it rejuvenates the classic characters. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:967472546] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite><quote>its kind of a stretch to cal the League popular characters like the Avengers unless youre posting from 1900 or something the youth of post-9/11 America were not going crazy for Dorian Gray and Captain Nemo. come see all your favorite public domain characters from your local library team up wasnt an inherently compelling sales pitch</quote>Yeah, you know, this actually a really interesting conversation from a cultural and numbers perspective. Is there a place anymore for literary characters to have great success? I think part of the issue is just how bad LXG was written, how lambasted (deservedly) it was. You look at its cast and really, it's reliant entirely on Connery for starpower, too. You have all of these characters with connections to major cultural touchstones - but the issue is that you have to have some momentum. I look at it's box office, and I'm like, "Hell, it did really good for the reaction it got!" It made 180 million worldwide on an 80 million dollar budget. That's pretty impressive, especially considering we were still in this early period of testing the waters of superheroes. It was a cottage industry, and the quality was still wildly variable.Sometimes, I think the problem is just that a movie sucks. I wonder about a world where, say, you've got Guy Richie directing a Steve Zaillan written League. Maybe it rejuvenates the classic characters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 08/21/22 6:12:53 PM #267:	Lopen posted... I don't agree with this at all no. You're still wrong though. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:967472554] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Lopen posted... </cite><quote>I don't agree with this at all no.</quote>You're still wrong though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HanOfTheNekos 08/21/22 6:14:02 PM #268:	https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/8/AAOJ0pAADlnS.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/9/AAOJ0pAADlnT.png --- "Bordate is a pretty shady place, what with the gangs, casinos, evil corporations and water park." - FAHtastic <cite>HanOfTheNekos posted [p:967472577] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/8/AAOJ0pAADlnS.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/9/AAOJ0pAADlnT.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 08/21/22 6:43:23 PM #269:	I don't care about the antman argument but I would get behind a League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen reboot in an instant --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:967473189] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>I don't care about the antman argument but I would get behind a League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen reboot in an instant</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/21/22 6:46:19 PM #270:	HanOfTheNekos posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/8/AAOJ0pAADlnS.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/9/AAOJ0pAADlnT.png It seems wild to me that Shang-Chi has been in 951 books. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:967473241] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>HanOfTheNekos posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/8/AAOJ0pAADlnS.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/9/AAOJ0pAADlnT.png</quote>It seems wild to me that Shang-Chi has been in 951 books.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 08/21/22 6:46:22 PM #271:	Ant-Man was a risk as well, but it was less of a risk than Shang-Chi, which is probably why they went with him first. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:967473243] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Ant-Man was a risk as well, but it was less of a risk than Shang-Chi, which is probably why they went with him first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
swordz9 08/21/22 6:48:48 PM #272:	Speaking of risks Id imagine nobody casual had any idea who GotG were either and the MCU certainly changed that <cite>swordz9 posted [p:967473298] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Speaking of risks Id imagine nobody casual had any idea who GotG were either and the MCU certainly changed that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/21/22 6:49:35 PM #273:	Oh! I see why Shang-Chi is in so many books. It looks like most of his old books were released in other languages entirely because of the Kung Fu boom. That accounts for a lot of them. Plus the re-release other language books he was in. Comic Vine seems to be a lot more sloppy about that. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:967473311] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Oh! I see why Shang-Chi is in so many books. It looks like most of his old books were released in other languages entirely because of the Kung Fu boom. That accounts for a lot of them. Plus the re-release other language books he was in.Comic Vine seems to be a lot more sloppy about that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 08/21/22 6:50:36 PM #274:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... It seems wild to me that Shang-Chi has been in 951 books. Id be curious to see the same statistics from like five or ten years ago i assume hes been appearing a whole lot more in recent years --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:967473329] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>PrivateBiscuit1 posted... </cite><quote>It seems wild to me that Shang-Chi has been in 951 books.</quote>Id be curious to see the same statistics from like five or ten years agoi assume hes been appearing a whole lot more in recent years </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 08/21/22 6:52:26 PM #275:	swordz9 posted... Speaking of risks Id imagine nobody casual had any idea who GotG were either and the MCU certainly changed that I knew of Rocket because of MvC but that's about it --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:967473354] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>swordz9 posted... </cite><quote>Speaking of risks Id imagine nobody casual had any idea who GotG were either and the MCU certainly changed that</quote>I knew of Rocket because of MvC but that's about it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCain 08/21/22 6:56:46 PM #276:	MoogleKupo141 posted... i assume hes been appearing a whole lot more in recent years He's had his own ongoing for a few years now (as expected), and maybe some one-shots, but that only accounts for about 20ish issues. --- I don't kill... but I don't lose either. <cite>CassandraCain posted [p:967473442] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite><quote>i assume hes been appearing a whole lot more in recent years</quote>He's had his own ongoing for a few years now (as expected), and maybe some one-shots, but that only accounts for about 20ish issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 08/21/22 6:59:57 PM #277:	oh I figured they would have thrown him into the avengers or something too at this point --- For your Azuarc* .* At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:967473510] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>oh I figured they would have thrown him into the avengers or something too at this point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/21/22 7:04:03 PM #278:	MoogleKupo141 posted... oh I figured they would have thrown him into the avengers or something too at this point He was in that Avengers Super Team by Hickman, plus I think he was on another Avengers team too. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:967473595] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite><quote>oh I figured they would have thrown him into the avengers or something too at this point</quote>He was in that Avengers Super Team by Hickman, plus I think he was on another Avengers team too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/21/22 7:08:13 PM #279:	PrivateBiscuit1 posted... Oh! I see why Shang-Chi is in so many books. It looks like most of his old books were released in other languages entirely because of the Kung Fu boom. That accounts for a lot of them. Plus the re-release other language books he was in. Comic Vine seems to be a lot more sloppy about that. I did a count of Comicvine's foreign language X-Men count on Cyclops once, and it cut his appearance total by more than half at that time! --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:967473689] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>PrivateBiscuit1 posted... </cite><quote>Oh! I see why Shang-Chi is in so many books. It looks like most of his old books were released in other languages entirely because of the Kung Fu boom. That accounts for a lot of them. Plus the re-release other language books he was in.Comic Vine seems to be a lot more sloppy about that.</quote>I did a count of Comicvine's foreign language X-Men count on Cyclops once, and it cut his appearance total by more than half at that time!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCain 08/21/22 7:12:51 PM #280:	Oh yeah my bad, Shang-Chi was in a few different Avengers teams, though I doubt it adds much to the issue count. I would guess he's appeared in no more than a hundred issues (and this is probably high balling it) since his movie debut. --- I don't kill... but I don't lose either. <cite>CassandraCain posted [p:967473784] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Oh yeah my bad, Shang-Chi was in a few different Avengers teams, though I doubt it adds much to the issue count. I would guess he's appeared in no more than a hundred issues (and this is probably high balling it) since his movie debut.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 08/21/22 7:19:26 PM #281:	HanOfTheNekos posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/8/AAOJ0pAADlnS.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/9/AAOJ0pAADlnT.png Kinda hurting your own argument here. Far cry from 1000x. Anyway I dunno man. I'm just saying my personal experiences have been pretty definitive. Comic book people (myself included) knew both, not comic people (most, by a lot) knew neither. Pretty big sample size too. Haven't seen any of this peripheral Ant-Man swag. Feels like Mandella Effect here people saying there was all this Ant-Man stuff before MCU cause I don't remember any of it. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:967473917] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>HanOfTheNekos posted... </cite><quote>https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/8/AAOJ0pAADlnS.png https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/4/9/9/AAOJ0pAADlnT.png</quote>Kinda hurting your own argument here. Far cry from 1000x. Anyway I dunno man. I'm just saying my personal experiences have been pretty definitive. Comic book people (myself included) knew both, not comic people (most, by a lot) knew neither. Pretty big sample size too. Haven't seen any of this peripheral Ant-Man swag. Feels like Mandella Effect here people saying there was all this Ant-Man stuff before MCU cause I don't remember any of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TotallyNotMI 08/21/22 7:25:11 PM #282:	From Wikipedia: Ant Man In other media Television The Hank Pym incarnation of Ant-Man appears in The Marvel Super Heroes animated series. The Hank Pym incarnation of Ant-Man appears in a 1979 Saturday Night Live sketch, portrayed Garrett Morris.[12] An Ant-Man TV series was one of several planned TV shows from Marvel in 1980's.[13] The Hank Pym incarnation of Ant-Man appears in Avengers: United They Stand. Hank Pym, Scott Lang, and Eric O'Grady all appear in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes. The Scott Lang incarnation of Ant-Man in Ultimate Spider-Man. The Scott Lang incarnation of Ant-Man in Avengers Assemble. --- We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend. <cite>TotallyNotMI posted [p:967474045] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>From Wikipedia:Ant Man In other mediaTelevisionThe Hank Pym incarnation of Ant-Man appears in The Marvel Super Heroes animated series.The Hank Pym incarnation of Ant-Man appears in a 1979 Saturday Night Live sketch, portrayed Garrett Morris.[12]An Ant-Man TV series was one of several planned TV shows from Marvel in 1980's.[13]The Hank Pym incarnation of Ant-Man appears in Avengers: United They Stand.Hank Pym, Scott Lang, and Eric O'Grady all appear in Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes.The Scott Lang incarnation of Ant-Man in Ultimate Spider-Man.The Scott Lang incarnation of Ant-Man in Avengers Assemble.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCain 08/21/22 7:28:02 PM #283:	Things that Ant-Man appeared in before the MCU: The Marvel Super Heroes animated series Avengers: United They Stand where he's a main character Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes also a main character and Scott Lang also shows up (two Ant-Men in one show) Ultimate Spider-Man although this did overlap with the movie Things that Shang-Chi appeared in before his movie: --- I don't kill... but I don't lose either. <cite>CassandraCain posted [p:967474107] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Things that Ant-Man appeared in before the MCU:The Marvel Super Heroes animated seriesAvengers: United They Stand where he's a main characterAvengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes also a main character and Scott Lang also shows up (two Ant-Men in one show)Ultimate Spider-Man although this did overlap with the movieThings that Shang-Chi appeared in before his movie:</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/21/22 7:28:14 PM #284:	CassandraCain posted... Oh yeah my bad, Shang-Chi was in a few different Avengers teams, though I doubt it adds much to the issue count. I would guess he's appeared in no more than a hundred issues (and this is probably high balling it) since his movie debut. A hundred would actually be pretty impressive, when you consider that would be something like 12 issues a month! That's the problem with Comicvine - it over-represents modern comics to the tune of 3x the amount it over-represents old comics. Just looking at big chunks, I think the numbers are something like 6x the comics for Ant-Man over Shang-Chi. It's a little bonkers. I don't have time to really sift through it, but I'd guess we're looking at something like 400-450 Shang Chi appearances. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:967474112] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>CassandraCain posted... </cite><quote>Oh yeah my bad, Shang-Chi was in a few different Avengers teams, though I doubt it adds much to the issue count. I would guess he's appeared in no more than a hundred issues (and this is probably high balling it) since his movie debut.</quote>A hundred would actually be pretty impressive, when you consider that would be something like 12 issues a month!That's the problem with Comicvine - it over-represents modern comics to the tune of 3x the amount it over-represents old comics. Just looking at big chunks, I think the numbers are something like 6x the comics for Ant-Man over Shang-Chi. It's a little bonkers.I don't have time to really sift through it, but I'd guess we're looking at something like 400-450 Shang Chi appearances.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/21/22 7:29:55 PM #285:	Also, guys, at this point, I really have to ask why you're arguing with someone who thinks that we're suffering from the Mandella Effect, which I'm pretty sure is Lopen suffering from the Mandela Effect. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:967474151] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Also, guys, at this point, I really have to ask why you're arguing with someone who thinks that we're suffering from the Mandella Effect, which I'm pretty sure is Lopen suffering from the Mandela Effect.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TotallyNotMI 08/21/22 7:30:52 PM #286:	https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/character_details.php?character=743 This site says 361 but it's also inflated because if an issue has multiple stories it counts them each as a different appearance. --- We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend. <cite>TotallyNotMI posted [p:967474157] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/character_details.php?character=743This site says 361 but it's also inflated because if an issue has multiple stories it counts them each as a different appearance.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/21/22 7:32:17 PM #287:	I love that we've clearly explained to Lopen and given specific examples for what Ant-Man stuff has been around in mainstream and he's like "Guys, I think you're just not remembering anything about what Ant-Man has been in." --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:967474194] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>I love that we've clearly explained to Lopen and given specific examples for what Ant-Man stuff has been around in mainstream and he's like "Guys, I think you're just not remembering anything about what Ant-Man has been in."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 08/21/22 7:33:52 PM #288:	TotallyNotMI posted... https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/character_details.php?character=743 This site says 361 but it's also inflated because if an issue has multiple stories it counts them each as a different appearance. Wow, yeah. I mean, that's less than the Blackhawks. Anywhere here know who the Blackhawks are? This is less than them. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:967474235] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>TotallyNotMI posted... </cite><quote>https://cmro.travis-starnes.com/character_details.php?character=743This site says 361 but it's also inflated because if an issue has multiple stories it counts them each as a different appearance.</quote>Wow, yeah. I mean, that's less than the Blackhawks. Anywhere here know who the Blackhawks are? This is less than them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 08/21/22 7:34:43 PM #289:	A single SNL skit and a bunch of bit parts in relatively obscure animated stuff you got me guys. --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:967474255] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>A single SNL skit and a bunch of bit parts in relatively obscure animated stuff you got me guys. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TotallyNotMI 08/21/22 7:35:36 PM #290:	Obscure lmao I'm done. Grow up and just admit when you're wrong. --- We do not have much connection, you and I. Still, this encounter feels special. I hope you won't mind if I think of you as a friend. <cite>TotallyNotMI posted [p:967474270] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Obscure lmaoI'm done. Grow up and just admit when you're wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCain 08/21/22 7:36:19 PM #291:	Lopen posted... you got me guys. at least he finally admits it --- I don't kill... but I don't lose either. <cite>CassandraCain posted [p:967474288] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Lopen posted... </cite><quote>you got me guys.</quote>at least he finally admits it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 08/21/22 7:38:16 PM #292:	Lopen posted... A single SNL skit and a bunch of bit parts in relatively obscure animated stuff you got me guys. I like how close you are to admitting you were wrong but you can't quite get over that hump. It's alright, dude, you were wrong. No need to edit your post to say single SNL appearance just to downplay it! <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:967474338] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Lopen posted... </cite><quote>A single SNL skit and a bunch of bit parts in relatively obscure animated stuff you got me guys.</quote>I like how close you are to admitting you were wrong but you can't quite get over that hump.It's alright, dude, you were wrong. No need to edit your post to say single SNL appearance just to downplay it!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 08/21/22 7:38:36 PM #293:	I mean Ultimate Spider-Man is the only one of those I've heard of --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:967474351] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>I mean Ultimate Spider-Man is the only one of those I've heard of</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCain 08/21/22 7:40:02 PM #294:	Yes and you've clearly demonstrated that if you've never heard of something then neither has anyone else Also that's still one thing you've heard of that had Ant-Man, still making him more known than Shang-Chi, who is in nothing. --- I don't kill... but I don't lose either. <cite>CassandraCain posted [p:967474383] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Yes and you've clearly demonstrated that if you've never heard of something then neither has anyone elseAlso that's still one thing you've heard of that had Ant-Man, still making him more known than Shang-Chi, who is in nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 08/21/22 7:41:19 PM #295:	CassandraCain posted... Yes and you've clearly demonstrated that if you've never heard of something then neither has anyone else Kinda like you guys are doing with Shang Chi lmao --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:967474412] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>CassandraCain posted... </cite><quote>Yes and you've clearly demonstrated that if you've never heard of something then neither has anyone else</quote>Kinda like you guys are doing with Shang Chi lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCain 08/21/22 7:46:05 PM #296:	you're adorable Where is LMS. I'd rather talk to him, at least he's nice. --- I don't kill... but I don't lose either. <cite>CassandraCain posted [p:967474506] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>you're adorableWhere is LMS. I'd rather talk to him, at least he's nice.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 08/21/22 7:50:52 PM #297:	Be honest have any of you actually seen more than an episode or two of these animated series and/or did you see Ant-Man in them before the MCU because it really feels like you pulled up a Wikipedia to win an argument --- No problem! This is a cute and pop genocide of love! <cite>Lopen posted [p:967474603] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Be honest have any of you actually seen more than an episode or two of these animated series and/or did you see Ant-Man in them before the MCU because it really feels like you pulled up a Wikipedia to win an argument </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Murphiroth 08/21/22 7:54:26 PM #298:	Lopen posted... Be honest have any of you actually seen more than an episode or two of these animated series and/or did you see Ant-Man in them before the MCU because it really feels like you pulled up a Wikipedia to win an argument I watched the entirety of EMH as it aired you goober, and I've watched several of the other things as well. You're so salty about being wrong about this, it's kind of hilarious. And hell, I'd rather be pulling up Wiki to win an argument than hurling personal attacks on someone to start an argument like you've done here. It's ok man, you can admit you're wrong, it won't hurt you. I know it's scary, take your time. <cite>Murphiroth posted [p:967474686] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Lopen posted... </cite><quote>Be honest have any of you actually seen more than an episode or two of these animated series and/or did you see Ant-Man in them before the MCU because it really feels like you pulled up a Wikipedia to win an argument</quote>I watched the entirety of EMH as it aired you goober, and I've watched several of the other things as well.You're so salty about being wrong about this, it's kind of hilarious. And hell, I'd rather be pulling up Wiki to win an argument than hurling personal attacks on someone to start an argument like you've done here. It's ok man, you can admit you're wrong, it won't hurt you. I know it's scary, take your time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CassandraCain 08/21/22 7:58:13 PM #299:	Acknowledging when you're wrong is the first step to better connecting with your fellow humans. And yes I watched all of EMH before the Ant-Man movie was announced, it's an incredible show. I also read a ton of comics which, sure, may not count, and I have been friends/acquaintances with several nerds throughout my life. So I was well aware of Ant-Man before the MCU was even a thing. --- I don't kill... but I don't lose either. <cite>CassandraCain posted [p:967474782] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Acknowledging when you're wrong is the first step to better connecting with your fellow humans.And yes I watched all of EMH before the Ant-Man movie was announced, it's an incredible show. I also read a ton of comics which, sure, may not count, and I have been friends/acquaintances with several nerds throughout my life. So I was well aware of Ant-Man before the MCU was even a thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 08/21/22 8:02:18 PM #300:	Avengers EMH was very popular and only got canceled to put out a show that aligned with the MCU feel and characters, like they did with the rest of their cartoon properties. Come on dude. --- I stream sometimes. Check it out! www.twitch.tv/heroicbiz/ <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:967474866] in MCU Genera... [t:80109025]...</cite> <quote>Avengers EMH was very popular and only got canceled to put out a show that aligned with the MCU feel and characters, like they did with the rest of their cartoon properties.Come on dude.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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