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UltimaterializerX posted...

I guess I was hoping she would?

but she made it clear she doesn't care about superheroes (aside from Cap himself apparently) and doesn't really want to be one so why would she know intimate details about them

regardless this first episode was probably meant to be mostly fanservice (particularly with Ruffalo's inclusion) so I don't know that it'll continue with that tone

UltimaterializerX posted...

I guess I was hoping she would? She Hulk is a top 5 character for me so maybe my expectations were off. I wasnt really expecting full-on goofball comedy hour. And Im sorry but the whole virgin thing is just idiotic.

Nah, I've heard people talk about that on the internet so I don't think its far fetched at all for people in universe to consider it.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Peggy Carter has a picture frame with her kids. Confirmed Caps.

I am assuming from Infinity War or Endgame? Was this in the real timeline or the one where he went back in time to be with her? Thats a relatively small detail that could be easy to overlook or forget.

Regardless, while WE may know about that, theres no reason for Hulks cousin to. The virginity question isnt idiotic as much as it is absurd. And thats what makes it funny. The guys a superhero who saved the world and shes obsessed with his sex life.

Also, THAT line has got to be the next topic title.

Seanchan posted...

Also, THAT line has got to be the next topic title

I second this.

literally Marvel Studios doesn't agree on Cap's ending let alone the MCU's in-universe civilians who get their details from Scott Lang and makes room for conspiracies like Cap is on the moon and calls Groot "Mr. Tree"

Leonhart4 posted...

Not everybody looks at the RT score and decides they should hate the movie based off of that

I more meant it might not help the impression but fair.

Also TBH I think I jumped the gun on suggesting that the first act of No Way Home was my favorite part of the movie. That said I did think it set up Peter's overall predicament very, very well. My favorite scene might have been Norman meeting Aunt May for the first time which is technically part of that first act, but I'm just saying whatever comes to mind at this point.

The ultimate superhero movie Dragon Ball Super Super Hero is out today. So super they had to put it in the title twice. I'll be seeing it in like 7 or 8 hours from now

re: taika waititi, what we do in the shadows is a great movie but i'm not as in love with ragnarok as most people.

haven't seen jojo rabbit or love & thunder yet.

Thought Ragnarok was decent. The humor landed more often than it missed and I could at least kind of take the plot seriously.

i usually love the dry new zealand style humor and when the jokes in ragnarok worked, they were hilarious. a lot of the jokes didn't hit for me, though.

Nah Jen was right. Bruce wasn't willing to accept to Jen's experiences could be different than his and was just trying to force his way on her.

TotallyNotMI posted...

Nah Jen was right. Bruce wasn't willing to accept to Jen's experiences could be different than his and was just trying to force his way on her.

I don't agree with this. He was willing to reassess his thinking as he realized how different she was from him. However, he's way more cautious and afraid of his own abilities than she is because he's seen what happens when things go wrong, and that's the biggest difference. Jen thinks she can still live a normal life, and Bruce knows she can't.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Forgot to mention something.

Jen telling Bruce that shes better at handling anger because of cat calling, in a monologue where she quite literally fails at controlling her anger, is some of the worst writing Ive ever seen. Feminist garbage aside, current Hulk has total mastery of his powers in this episode. Forget actually knowing the canon at that point; they dont even know what they themselves wrote down in the same script.

She didn't fail at controlling her anger though, she was transforming on purpose to prove a point. I do agree with Bruce because of...
Leonhart4 posted...

I don't agree with this. He was willing to reassess his thinking as he realized how different she was from him. However, he's way more cautious and afraid of his own abilities than she is because he's seen what happens when things go wrong, and that's the biggest difference. Jen thinks she can still live a normal life, and Bruce knows she can't.

She Hulk was kinda fun, I wonder if they'll ever explain how/why she can break the fourth wall.

I had a small existential moment when Bruce said he was dealing with Hulk for 15 years. Man the MCU has been around for so long now.

Hulk was definitely having a hard time fathoming that his experiences as the Hulk would be unique (maybe he should've had a chat with Blonsky in these 15 years... or done a check-in with The Leader)

He immediately had a picture in his head of what to expect, but he also clearly got excited to be able to share those experiences with Jen now, but it's not panning out like he thought.

The biggest point of contention though is Hulk expecting her to be an Avenger, as he got pretty fired up about how it is her duty to do so because "who's going to protect the world if it isn't people like us?" but Jen's realllllly not inclined after all the horrific shit Hulk's been through these 15 years.

But then as we see from the opening line in the office, Hulk's line about the duty that comes with power ultimately sinks in and we get the courtroom battle, really is a good, contained start-to-finish intro episode.

I enjoyed Jen as a lawyer. If they stick with the law, then this will be a good show.

My sister is directly working with the team that makes the credits for the show, but wasn't actually involved with the project.

Ace Attorney proves you don't need to know much about law to write an entertaining law story

real courtrooms don't have people bursting through the walls you dumb she-writers wowwwwww

GuessMyUserName posted...

real courtrooms don't have people bursting through the walls you dumb she-writers wowwwwww

Still more accurate than most court scenes tbh.

But in all seriousness I feel like they could have hired a consultant for court stuff if they don't know anything about it.

Shit, get comic writer Charles Soule to consult. He used to be a lawyer and all of his court scenes in comics were awesome.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Right but the writing is also bad. If the actress wasnt absurdly talented this would be like a 2/10 show.

So what is it you don't like about the writing? I watched it and nothing stood out to me as bad, but I rarely ever call anything bad.

Tatiana Maslany is so damn good. Orphan Black is my favorite show

So random thought, Jen talked about Bruce reading too many comics or something like that, so it made me wonder what comics are like in the MCU since the heroes are real.

Are they reading DC, or is there some alternate universe Marvel with totally different heroes?

DC is a thing in some form in the MCU, Eternals mentioned both Batman and Superman.

They read comics about pirates

Leonhart4 posted...

Ace Attorney proves you don't need to know much about law to write an entertaining law story

You can just go and read the TV Tropes page for Hollywood Law and find so many examples.

but I rarely ever call anything bad.

this is bizarre to me

So I have She-Hulk thoughts. I'll preface it by saying I've always loved the character. And Tatiana Maslany is one of my favorite actresses for her work in Orphan Black (check it out if you like sci-fi stuff!). I think I'm mostly positive on the show though.

I'll address the weird "controversy" of that clip going around about controlling anger yadda yadda. It's one of those where the people who are usually for that stuff and the people who are against it are clearly leaving out the additional context needed. She's not that much better at it, and even she knows it. The fact she immediately loses it and then only controls it again after Bruce points it out shows that.

There's also the point that people are saying "she's so much better at this than Bruce is already" when it's pretty obvious that she didn't get the full bore of the gamma dose, and that she's not really that much better than Bruce, but is just better in certain ways because she doesn't become a giant monster brute. Legitimately baffled by people asserting this, especially those who know the character.

All of that being said, I think the people who don't like Jen are weird too. I don't actually say this often, but I think a lot of the people actually upset by her personality need to step back and re-evaluate how they talk around close friends, or they need to actually make close friends because she's literally just joking around and taking jabs at someone she's close to throughout this episode in a good-natured way (aside from a couple scenes where they're both fighting). Like the whole Captain America stuff is a stupid conversation so many people have with their close friends and I'm blown away people are upset by it.

So controversies aside, I enjoyed this episode for the most part. Jen is fun. It's got a lot of Bruce and I'm so tired of Professor Hulk at this point please give us an interesting Hulk again after this, but their interactions were a lot of fun and they did explore SOME of the trauma of Bruce (and I never felt that Jen was downplaying it at all and more just speaking out of frustration; she outright acknowledges how terrible Bruce has had it going onward).

I'm guessing that all of this show is leading to her embracing the Hulk side of her more because that's the best part of She-Hulk for me, is her confidence and acceptance in being the big green lady. She accepts all parts of her and doesn't sacrifice on any of them and knows the value of using it all to help people, and I kinda wish that the episode maybe tried to lean more into that? But I'm willing to be more patient with it.

I think the worst offender was the court room battle. I may legitimately think that is the worst thing that Marvel has put out and they should be ashamed. Titania just busting in without any preamble or explanation. No character building. Just bad lady busts in. And then over the course of like 15 seconds they give us a full fight scene, but it's actually the complete worst. Flash cuts show only half of the action, it's hard to follow. Like guys you're on Disney+ you have time to flesh this out even a little bit OR SHOW THE ENTIRE FIGHT. Why are we skipping from Titania being under debris one second and then in the middle of a jump kick the literal next second? Completely terrible and the fact that nobody stepped in to actually improve that scene is embarrassing.

This is giving me precursors of Ms. Marvel though, and I'm hoping it trends upwards instead of downwards, but that fight really took the wind out of me.

Saw she hulk's first episode. Fairly intrigued, I hope they do in fact lean in more to the Lawyer stuff and less to generic super hero stuff.

People being outraged by an extremely strong female lead (Possibly setting up the strongest female lead in MCU?) make me laugh. Never change G#mers

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

The fact she immediately loses it and then only controls it again after Bruce points it out shows that.

She didn't lose control, that was an intentioned demonstration of her control. Control isn't just about turning off the Hulk, but turning it on as well. That's why Bruce was so confused with the "okay this is completely new territory" after his first reaction was a cocky "see?" thinking he got her angry, but as she says, she's doing it

But yeah, she isn't shown to be a "better Hulk", she just has a better handle of controlling her anger due to lifelong experience (although I wouldn't be surprised if this gets tested throughout the show, but the comedic nature also makes me doubtful). I mean Hulk's just in a real traumatic mess at this point, sure with knowledge on techniques to help but hardly the anger guru. Thankfully too because I actually do hope for a future arc for him to go nuts into Hulk form again, perhaps into the rumoured World War Hulk storyline.

And Hulk is still launching bolders into space while Jen can't give off a massive knockback with her thunderclap so yeah people arguing the scene as "anything you can do I can do better" are just silly folks embroiled in culture wars that they get set off by anything triggering around that nerve. Yeah Bruce could take her down if he wanted but this is just her wanting to go home and he's not gonna brutalize his cousin for quite reasonably not wanting to go through his isolation, knowing everything he put up with (as she listed).

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I'm guessing that all of this show is leading to her embracing the Hulk side of her more because that's the best part of She-Hulk for me, is her confidence and acceptance in being the big green lady. She accepts all parts of her and doesn't sacrifice on any of them and knows the value of using it all to help people, and I kinda wish that the episode maybe tried to lean more into that? But I'm willing to be more patient with it.

Given promos that's definitely where she's headed yeah, this episode is seeming like a special case just to show her origin story and have it quickly wrapped up to now bring us to her lawyer life we all actually wanna see. Big fan of this first episode getting as through a lot of that, but also makes me wish we had a 2nd episode for that reason to give a taste of what we're really in for. Odd though that this was originally planned to be ep8.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I think the worst offender was the court room battle. I may legitimately think that is the worst thing that Marvel has put out and they should be ashamed. Titania just busting in without any preamble or explanation. No character building. Just bad lady busts in. And then over the course of like 15 seconds they give us a full fight scene, but it's actually the complete worst. Flash cuts show only half of the action, it's hard to follow. Like guys you're on Disney+ you have time to flesh this out even a little bit OR SHOW THE ENTIRE FIGHT. Why are we skipping from Titania being under debris one second and then in the middle of a jump kick the literal next second? Completely terrible and the fact that nobody stepped in to actually improve that scene is embarrassing.

Definitely odd cuts but I took this as a quick capping off of the intro ep to lead us into Jen's lawyer life. Titania's definitely not done here so there's a lot more to come. Probably again though why this could've used that 2nd episode debut follow-up.

I don't think they cared about the MCU to begin with TBH.

GuessMyUserName posted...

And Hulk is still launching bolders into space while Jen can't give off a massive knockback with her thunderclap so yeah people arguing the scene as "anything you can do I can do better" are just silly folks embroiled in culture wars that they get set off by anything triggering around that nerve.

Yeah, I thought they were edging towards a mary sue character and then Hulk threw the boulder into space. I thought that was a good move in terms of differentiating the characters

I like that she got her powers and went through all of that in the first episode.

I don't need an entire season dedicated to FINALLY putting Kamala into a costume and giving her her name, again.

Not on the topic of She-Hulk, but I remembered another reason why I take issue with the whole "Marvel movies are not cinema" stance - even if the movies may not be ambitious in terms of story, they often display ambition in other ways. You'd think audiences will always head out to see comic book movies no matter how crappy they are, or that movies like The Avengers being huge events is a foregone conclusion even though that begs the question of either why Hollywood never bothered to make such a film before, or why the previous closest attempts at such a film like say The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen or Van Helsing weren't anywhere near as big. Or heck, this says nothing about the effort it really takes to realize characters like Batman, Iron Man, and Captain America in film. I know Batman isn't Marvel but you get the idea.

Again, I'm genuinely concerned by this definition used by people like Scorsese. Is Jurassic Park cinema then? Are the Indiana Jones movies cinema? I've always felt like Spielberg movies are often at least as much like theme park rides as 'cinema', including his dramas, but I generally find that to be more good than bad. Are Lethal Weapon, Die Hard, and Predator cinema? Maybe I'm thinking too hard about this but still.

I have never seen The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen fully but I have seen Van Helsing. I wouldn't say the latter is good per se but it has its charms. Coincidentally Van Helsing had the same composer as most of the Avengers movies, heh.

I feel like you've tried to have this conversation with us no less than 5 times.

Fair. I just kept thinking about this and realized another dimension, whereas previously I was mostly defending the MCU in terms of subject matter.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I don't think they cared about the MCU to begin with TBH.

So this is your go-to move to dismiss critical viewpoints now huh

Also I like how you use "fair enough" as if you recognize the validity of a statement but we all know you're going to make the exact same post again within a month as if you'd never made it before

RaidenGarai posted...

Tatiana Maslany is so damn good. Orphan Black is my favorite show

I really want to see a behind the scenes of how they shot the she Hulk scenes given the massive height difference. Is she on stilts? Just camera angles? Body double in a full green suit?

masterplum posted...

Yeah, I thought they were edging towards a mary sue character and then Hulk threw the boulder into space. I thought that was a good move in terms of differentiating the characters

It seemed very clear that other than that throw Hulk was holding back while She Hulk was going all out.

Plus they seemed to imply that her mutation with the gamma radiation is a little different than Bruce's so I took that as part of the reason she can keep her mind immediately.

Maniac64 posted...

gamma radiation is a little different than Bruce's so I took that as part of the reason she can keep her mind immediately.

I mean, they can use whatever in-universe explanation that they want. If She Hulk just magically was better than hulk in every way that would be narratively boring.

I don't mind her being better at some things if she is worse at other things.

Maniac64 posted...

It seemed very clear that other than that throw Hulk was holding back while She Hulk was going all out.

Yeah like even that rock throw itself, Bruce did the first throw instructing her to follow suit. She-Hulk tries to show off by proudly surpassing that by actually trying, so then Bruce reveals what he can actually do is so very far beyond.

Bruce got no reason to be going all out here, he's just trying to teach Jen.

Maniac64 posted...

I really want to see a behind the scenes of how they shot the she Hulk scenes given the massive height difference. Is she on stilts? Just camera angles? Body double in a full green suit?

She-Hulk got a 6'7" stand-in woman, Malia Arrayah

Yeah, Bruce could have curbstomped her if he really wanted to, but that wasn't the point of the exercises.

I also forgot to mention that the very first thing my girlfriend noticed when seeing She-Hulk, the very very first time we get a good look at her, was "Why did her hair get longer?" And then I also noticed that when she turns into She-Hulk she gets dark eye shadow too.

It's a little thing, but it's kinda funny.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

Not on the topic of She-Hulk, but I remembered another reason why I take issue with the whole "Marvel movies are not cinema" stance - even if the movies may not be ambitious in terms of story, they often display ambition in other ways. .

The most infuriating thing about your posts is that you make claims at the beginning that you never follow up on. How do Marvel Movies display ambition "in other ways?" Follow up on your thesis

By Peter being challenged, of course

(But he can't follow up on his thoughts because they aren't his thoughts)

colliding posted...

The most infuriating thing about your posts is that you make claims at the beginning that you never follow up on. How do Marvel Movies display ambition "in other ways?" Follow up on your thesis

He might actually be able to make some good posts if he followed up on those thoughts! Hes so close!