Board 8 > MCU General 9 - You Flicked Too Hard

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The character was cool when they let her live like she was in an episode of Scrubs. She hasn't really pulled off "serious hero" well, in my opinion.

maybe the parts of this that were in Pakistan should have been saved for a season 2, and then like... make it the whole season

I was really enjoying the New Jersey stuff, and then it just felt so abrupt to shift there and leave most of the cast behind

They built a really good network in New Jersey and then they just ditched it all

I would've loved to have more of Kamala with her friends and full family

Thor beated.

I really liked it but I can see this being devisive. Taiki goes full Taiki.

Thor 4 very funny movie (maybe not as funny as Ragnarok though) helps tie up a lot of Thor's story threads and still sets up for the future. Christian Bale also pretty good as Gorr

Thor 4 was not a bore.

Very funny. Also, I had a GREAT audience that ate up every bit of it which made it a lot of fun.

Everyone talking about how funny the movie is and I'm just sitting here hoping Lady Thor has a dope action scene

CassandraCain posted...

Everyone talking about how funny the movie is and I'm just sitting here hoping Lady Thor has a dope action scene

She has several. The action scenes in general are quite good.

She does a cool thing with Mjolnir that it couldn't do previously.

Good to hear! My hype levels have increased.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

i can't even begin to decipher what this could possibly mean

I meant more in terms of how the MCU stuff in general is now getting criticism for starting with a promising idea before falling into the same old habits. So far the only Phase 4 installment where that particularly bothered me was Black Widow.

I feel like I'm caught somewhat off-guard by all the negativity surrounding Phase 4 but maybe I shouldn't be surprised considering a lot the backlash has been politicized in similar fashion to Star Wars and typically by the same people too. TBH I'm still learning to separate all this out, for instance I decided that the people hating on Captain Marvel before it came out weren't really interested in it in the first place and thus they had no impact on the film's box-office. Even in the first place though I was highly skeptical that said pre-release hate could hurt its box office seeing how it was not the case for Venom and later Aladdin - if anything typically when lots of people say they won't see a movie online said movie will be a hit. This makes me extra mad at these pieces of human garbage for giving the biggest franchise and biggest entertainment company in the world extra publicity they didn't even need! Never mind the notion that such a big company would somehow resort to such a petty action as buying theater seats is pretty laughable as is.

You have yet to define what "the same old habits" is because you say things just to say things

The best part of waking up,

Is LMS in your cupppppppp

Awwwww yeah my favorite LMS flavor first thing in the morning

Best way to start the day

Leonhart4 posted...

You have yet to define what "the same old habits" is because you say things just to say things

The best explanation I can provide is that it just becomes "typical MCU". Which I don't even entirely know what that means, but I do feel like relatively few MCU installments if any are truly ambitious precisely because they tend to have a lot of similar trappings. Although if anything that's part of the reason the MCU has been so successful - it has largely walked the tightrope and figured out how to tell different kinds of stories in similar ways.

"The best explanation I can provide is to use another term that is equally meaningless"

Good talk

My dude, that is something people have been complaining about from the start of the MCU.

Disney isn't for real all that great at writing stories. Their movies and shows are carried by style and actor/voice charisma.

the problems in phase 4 are manifold.

first, they're suffering from raised expectations due to how good the past phases were. I liked parts of MoM but I haven't been impressed by any of the films - they're just standard superhero fare. This is only a problem because several films in the MCU have transcended this benchmark in the past.

second, the glut of Marvel products via more movies and constant Disney Plus shows is creating brand fatigue/backlash.

third, the universe has begun to feel disconnected. there's no nick fury/avengers build-up to manage hype.

They need to go ahead and pull the ripcord on Young Avengers/Kang/FF/X-Men and really start the next major phase. Right now it kind of feels like they're stuck in a filler arc.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I meant more in terms of how the MCU stuff in general is now getting criticism for starting with a promising idea before falling into the same old habits. So far the only Phase 4 installment where that particularly bothered me was Black Widow.

I feel like I'm caught somewhat off-guard by all the negativity surrounding Phase 4 but maybe I shouldn't be surprised considering a lot the backlash has been politicized in similar fashion to Star Wars

The moment my eyes rolled back into my head and up around the bottom.

colliding posted...

Right now it kind of feels like they're stuck in a filler arc.

That's exactly what they are in. After mostly clearing the board after endgame they have to rebuild the board and setup pieces again.

colliding posted...

the problems in phase 4 are manifold.

first, they're suffering from raised expectations due to how good the past phases were. I liked parts of MoM but I haven't been impressed by any of the films - they're just standard superhero fare. This is only a problem because several films in the MCU have transcended this benchmark in the past.

second, the glut of Marvel products via more movies and constant Disney Plus shows is creating brand fatigue/backlash.

third, the universe has begun to feel disconnected. there's no nick fury/avengers build-up to manage hype.

They need to go ahead and pull the ripcord on Young Avengers/Kang/FF/X-Men and really start the next major phase. Right now it kind of feels like they're stuck in a filler arc.

I think the focus on the multiverse stuff is incredibly messy too. I was excited for Kang because I thought after Endgame he would be like "You guys fucked with the timeline and natural order and I'm putting a stop to your bullshit!" But instead he seems pretty chill about the timeline being completely fucked with, and things feel like they matter a lot less because of it. Why is Kang only in Loki so far? Why is he not popping up other places and teasing he's going to be the next big bad?

I can't believe they haven't done a Thunderbolts movie while there seems like there's been NO Avengers team in sight. It's the perfect opportunity for it around this time because they is not a crumb of an Avengers team around, or any other super team for that matter. At least tease us with the existence of Fantastic Four and X-Men! But they aren't even really doing that!

IfGodCouldDie posted...

That's exactly what they are in. After mostly clearing the board after endgame they have to rebuild the board and setup pieces again.

But we have no clue what they're setting up aside from Young Avengers, eventually. And Kang, somewhere. We got the Avengers line immediately. And then Thanos after that. They haven't hinted at much of anything definitively.

it's possible that the final episode of loki raised people's expectations about kang/the multiverse too much

at the end of loki, it definitely felt like a multiversal war was going to be the big "event" of phase 4, but since then, the concept of the multiverse and how it operates in the MCU has been treated differently by spider-man and dr.strange's films. I definitely agree it lacks consistency.

dr. doom makes sense as the next major villain but it's taken way too long to actually get to him. he hasn't actually been teased yet as far as I can tell (unless he's in Thor or something in which case spoiler tag please)

Thunderbolts did actually get announced fairly recently I believe. Im liking phase 4, but it was gonna be extremely tough to make it even better than 3 which was the huge climax. They feel like theyre just getting started still with 4 and thats fine to me. Fatigue is gonna be normal for this kind of thing because were already like 2 dozen movies in. People still come out to the theater for the MCU though so most probably arent tired enough to stop following it

I was under the impression that the multiverse and multiple timelines were two different things. Hence why all these Loki Variants could exist long enough to reach certain ages before being deemed to need to be pruned due to violating the sacred timeline.

Basically that an alligator Loki can and does exist within the multiverse, but the timeline says only one specific one and that anyone not following a specific timeline gets removed.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

But we have no clue what they're setting up aside from Young Avengers, eventually. And Kang, somewhere. We got the Avengers line immediately. And then Thanos after that. They haven't hinted at much of anything definitively.

You have to understand, when they "setup" Thanos. It was actually just meant to be a fun teaser and they were actually directionless that that time. Here we have a base outline of where they are trying to go because they have announced it.

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I can't believe they haven't done a Thunderbolts movie while there seems like there's been NO Avengers team in sight. It's the perfect opportunity for it around this time because they is not a crumb of an Avengers team around, or any other super team for that matter. At least tease us with the existence of Fantastic Four and X-Men! But they aren't even really doing that!

Have some patience. Holy shit. . We didn't even get a tease of Thanos until the Avengers movie came out and like I just said, it was a tease that at the time wasn't even meant to reveal a bigger threat. So the fact that we got a tease of the villain or were introduced to a version of him in the very phase 4 project means we are already moving faster than phase 1

The way I saw it a lot of Phase 4 has been about the aftermath of Endgame. Although huh guess I forgot about Loki when thinking of works that made people feel let down by Multiverse of Madness not doing enough with the multiverse concept - I had mostly only thought of Into the Spider-verse, No Way Home, and Everything Everywhere All At Once. Personally just felt like too much of Loki took place in hallways and offices which constricted the show's appeal to me but I get why lots of people liked it.

Feel like the Illuminati were completely wasted, but to be fair even that was probably just meant to be a tease of the possibilities along with throwing X-Men and Fantastic Four fans a bone. I also think I outright hate Captain Carter now and find her to miss the point of both Captain America and Peggy Carter completely. Part of me even thinks Atwell might be phoning in her performance both here and in What If compared to in the first Captain America movie but it kind of feels like hollow fanservice at this point.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

The best explanation I can provide is that it just becomes "typical MCU". Which I don't even entirely know what that means,

If you don't know what something means, maybe you should figure out what it means before saying it.

I said straight up front I wasn't entirely sure what that means, but fair enough regardless. Also I didn't mean to imply that most of the criticism of Phase 4 is politicized, more that a lot of it is getting politicized but it didn't necessarily start out that way. This is probably just something that seems to happen, with the first trace of the modern variant probably being people objecting to Michael B. Jordan's casting as Johnny Storm in Fant4stic because he didn't even have to audition and then blowing up into actual racists appropriating it to object to a black Johnny Storm.

Dont forget it takes time to cast and some of those properties are things they didnt have the rights to for a very long time. If they got them early enough wed have probably already seen several X-Men movies and appearances, but theyve gotta cast entirely new X-Men and likely F4 characters as well and figure out where and when they want to drop them in their schedule too. Im excited as fuck too, but I know the corporate stuff can lead to lots of waiting time. Theres a ton I am super excited to see when they finally get to it. Hell Id even want a movie length blooper thing of Deadpool just fucking around with everyone from the MCU for amusement factor

well this is what happens when you're incapable of original thought and can only repeat what you hear YouTube randos say

openly admitting you're speaking ignorantly is not a virtue or an excuse

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I also think I outright hate Captain Carter now and find her to miss the point of both Captain America and Peggy Carter completely.

Who told you to say this and why

She was an alternate universe version of Peggy, not the one you saw in Agent Carter. Her brief appearance should not cause you to suddenly hate the character overall. That's absurd.

Form your own opinions LMS

The Illuminati getting ganked in Dr. Strange was absolutely hilarious. It was the first time I've ever liked Wanda, too. Great stuff.

I finished Moon Knight earlier this week. That was a pretty interesting experience that also felt disconnected from basically the MCU as a whole, but it was worth watching. I dont really know where hed fit later on because uh what they showed of MK did not look like hed even be capable of taking down Hawkeye or Black Widow let alone anyone super powerful >_>

I'm not upset that we didn't immediately jump into FF/X-Men/Dr. Doom but it isn't unfair to say they should have had a more interesting fill-in plan that what we've gotten

In Phase 1, we had four movies (IM1, 2, CA, Thor) to lead-in to the big event (Avengers). In Phase 4, w have had 5 films, along with seven (?) TV shows and there's no real "event film" in sight.

It's hard to say Phase 4 has dealt with the aftermath of Endgame because basically only half of the properties in it have.

Well theyve had other issues to work around too like Covid and the death of at least 1 actor who was getting a sequel movie. Black Widow feels like a phase 3 movie that got lost in arrangement. The latest phase definitely hasnt really seemed to tease anything huge just yet, but its gonna get there eventually. Surely well see Galactus or somebody major get teased down the line to serve as the next big bad take on?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Have some patience. Holy shit. . We didn't even get a tease of Thanos until the Avengers movie came out and like I just said, it was a tease that at the time wasn't even meant to reveal a bigger threat. So the fact that we got a tease of the villain or were introduced to a version of him in the very phase 4 project means we are already moving faster than phase 1

Dude did you just quote post the same post I made in two separate posts to say the same thing in both? Lol

CassandraCain posted...

Who told you to say this and why

She was an alternate universe version of Peggy, not the one you saw in Agent Carter. Her brief appearance should not cause you to suddenly hate the character overall. That's absurd.

Form your own opinions LMS

I specified that I felt she missed the point of both Captain America and Peggy Carter, implying I don't mean "main" Peggy.

swordz9 posted...

Well theyve had other issues to work around too like Covid and the death of at least 1 actor who was getting a sequel movie. Black Widow feels like a phase 3 movie that got lost in arrangement. The latest phase definitely hasnt really seemed to tease anything huge just yet, but its gonna get there eventually. Surely well see Galactus or somebody major get teased down the line to serve as the next big bad take on?

I would imagine so. I'm pretty sure each phase has gotten bigger(in terms of stakes and amount of content.) I think a big issue that the MCU is actually facing is expectations have continued to rise and it is impossible to have the quality continue to rise because so many factors play into what make certain films hyped up. So when they have to reset like they are now people are expecting to continually get Infinty War/Endgame level stakes and movies instead of tempering expectations and enjoying the rebuild. Part of what made the Infinty Saga so hype was the slow build to the final movies. Like it took 10 years to get to Infinity War and we are what a year and a half into the next saga?

And please do enlighten me on the point of Cap and Agent Carter

I feel like Agent Carter's appeal comes partly from her being "normal", and a lot of the point of Captain America is lost with Captain Carter because Britain doesn't have nearly the reputation for patriotism America does. To be fair though contained just within What If (especially as a member of the big team-up at the end) and Multiverse of Madness she's still tolerable at worst.

Don't tell LMS that Captain Britain is Marvel's coolest character.

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I feel

I don't believe

There's literally a unique term to describe British patriotism

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/user_image/9/9/9/AAN7AaAADbe3.jpg

Leonhart4 posted...

There's literally a unique term to describe British patriotism

oy for crownin country innit

LinkMarioSamus posted...

I feel like Agent Carter's appeal comes partly from her being "normal", and a lot of the point of Captain America is lost with Captain Carter because Britain doesn't have nearly the reputation for patriotism America does.

What YouTuber said this?

No one, just how I genuinely felt.