Poll of the Day > Do you think we'll have a revolution in our lifetime?

(+) Yeah! (+)

Tensions get higher every year between the people and the government so clearly we'll have to go down that path eventually but that doesn't mean that'll happen in our lifetime.

A revolution in the US? Absolutely not.
A revolution in some third world country? Sure

I don't think so, we're at a point where I think most people are too neutered and comfortable for anything like a real revolution, just reforms and better politicians. Also the internet is so prevalent that most people speaking in favor of one aren't much more than kids or clout chasers.

Obviously this is about the U.S and not some third world country?

Inb4the U.S is a third world country.

There's already been a ton in my lifetime, so yeah I'm sure that trend will continue.

umm, there literally was one last year

jiffdiff posted...

There's already been a ton in my lifetime, so yeah I'm sure that trend will continue.

I'm talking specifically about a 2nd American revolution

Lokarin posted...

umm, there literally was one last year

There was an attempted insurrection.

Cruddy_horse posted...

we're at a point where I think most people are too neutered and comfortable for anything like a real revolution

This

Judgmenl posted...

A revolution in the US? Absolutely not.
A revolution in some third world country? Sure

This. Although a revolution in another developed nation is also a possibility, as is a revolution in a second-world nation.

Lokarin posted...

umm, there literally was one last year

Lokarins say the darnedest things! XD XD XD

Unless you're claiming this is about the allegation that Biden stole the election, which still wouldn't be a revolution.

Judgmenl posted...

There was an attempted insurrection.

It wasn't even that, it was little more than a riot... actually, it did less property damage than a lot of protests

They put up a gallows and chanted that they wanted to hang Mike Pence, Zeus

Hopefully Americans revolt against the corporate oligarchy.

BEERandWEED posted...

Hopefully Americans revolt against the corporate oligarchy.

Hopefully you grow up.

It's really hard to say. A lot of politics and even general life has become highly political and the COVID mandates haven't helped ease party tensions. I think there is a chance of a 'National divorce' if the political situation doesn't improve (and with that abortion thing coming up I doubt it will regardless of outcome). I don't think I'd call that a 'revolution' though.

It's also hard to say what counts as a 'revolution'. The CHAZ declared itself an autonomous area and actively had it's own armed forces enacting what they viewed as justice. One could argue it was a revolt, albeit a small one.

On the more peaceful front though, the Great Resignation is potentially a non-violent revolt in the brewing against the general economic situation in America. It's not right now but we may see it become one in the future. There may also be one against corporations in the future due to their practices but I don't think that will likely happen. Just that it might happen.

Remember, a 'lifetime' is a very long time. 70-80 years on average and likely to be higher when you finally reach that point. It's impossible to predict what the political situation in 2050 will be like (and if you're 30 today that means you still likely have a minimum of 10 years before you reach the lower end of life expectency). So it's REALLY hard to say!

@Zeus
do you really think Biden stole the election?

Like industrial revolution? We're going through it now or completed one.

So Trump is Napoleon?

Did you think wed encounter a never ending pandemic in our lifetime? Like Kevin Garnetr said Anything is possible

https://youtu.be/orT5RN3Zwak

Cruddy_horse posted...

I don't think so, we're at a point where I think most people are too neutered and comfortable for anything like a real revolution, just reforms and better politicians. Also the internet is so prevalent that most people speaking in favor of one aren't much more than kids or clout chasers.

Obviously this is about the U.S and not some third world country?

Inb4the U.S is a third world country.

This one is always funny.

The United States is by definition First World (along with Canada, Japan, and other NATO countries)

Really cannot imagine anyone arguing that a culture-exporting nation is not a first world country.

Why is judgmenl in love with the corporate oligarchy destroying our nation?

Zareth posted...

They put up a gallows and chanted that they wanted to hang Mike Pence, Zeus

And Kathy Griffin cut off Trump's head, Zareth.

And multiple protests had people chanting that they wanted to kill Trump and damaging effigies, Zareth.

Metalsonic66 posted...

So Trump is Napoleon?

Oh lawdy...

Judgmenl posted...

Really cannot imagine anyone arguing that a culture-exporting nation is not a first world country.

Technically some second-world nations are culture-exporting as well. China, for instance. Unless you mean something specific.

BEERandWEED posted...

Why is judgmenl in love with the corporate oligarchy destroying our nation?

Why are you literally advocating the overthrow of the US government in your other post?

Muscles posted...

I'm talking specifically about a 2nd American revolution

Nobody knows what the **** this means dude.

Zeus posted...

This. Although a revolution in another developed nation is also a possibility, as is a revolution in a second-world nation.

Lokarins say the darnedest things! XD XD XD

Unless you're claiming this is about the allegation that Biden stole the election, which still wouldn't be a revolution.

It wasn't even that, it was little more than a riot... actually, it did less property damage than a lot of protests

What was the end goal of the riot? Like if the people who stormed the Capitol had gotten their way, what would have happened that day?

Zeus posted...

Why are you literally advocating the overthrow of the US government in your other post?

For the people, by the people, of the people, not for the corporate overlords.

No, when we become a right wing dictatorship, theyll do it politically. They tried with force and it didnt work.

Sure, just not one sizeable enough to do anything.

kangolcone posted...

What was the end goal of the riot? Like if the people who stormed the Capitol had gotten their way, what would have happened that day?

Well, what they were HOPING to do was, as I understand it, get them to either nullify or delay the vote (meaning Trump would be president longer and an investigation into voter fraud could continue) and potentially get them to change the vote so Trump would win. Which, at least as they understood it, would TECHNICALLY be legal. I don't know if it's actually is or if they'd have basically been crashing the swearing in on the logic that, if he never gets sworn in, he's not president. The problem is that mobs... aren't exactly sane regardless of their cause. All it takes is a few crazies and you could turn a mob against cruelty to puppies into a mob in favor of violently beating to death anyone who ever hurt a puppy. I think it got confirmed that the guy in that crazy shaman get-up wasn't actually in favor of Trump or something (though I forget what his reason for being there was).

I don't know, but if so, it must be televised.

wolfy42 posted...

I don't know, but if so, it must be televised.

I'm pretty sure they would try to sweep it under the rug

Zeus posted...

And Kathy Griffin cut off Trump's head, Zareth.

Cool, did she attack the secret service and break into the White House too?

No.

Unbridled9 posted...

Well, what they were HOPING to do was, as I understand it, get them to either nullify or delay the vote (meaning Trump would be president longer and an investigation into voter fraud could continue) and potentially get them to change the vote so Trump would win. Which, at least as they understood it, would TECHNICALLY be legal. I don't know if it's actually is or if they'd have basically been crashing the swearing in on the logic that, if he never gets sworn in, he's not president. The problem is that mobs... aren't exactly sane regardless of their cause. All it takes is a few crazies and you could turn a mob against cruelty to puppies into a mob in favor of violently beating to death anyone who ever hurt a puppy. I think it got confirmed that the guy in that crazy shaman get-up wasn't actually in favor of Trump or something (though I forget what his reason for being there was).

Nothing is technically legal if obtained through violence against police and breaking into federal property.

You also ignore that this crazy mob was called to Washington by Trump, spurred on by conspiracy theories from Trump and his circle, encouraged to use violence by speeches given that day, and was later acknowledged by both politicians and media who side with Trump that he should have intervened.

Sure, totally random and unpredictable though, even though we have evidence of organized groups arming and coming to DC with that purpose.

BEERandWEED posted...

Hopefully Americans revolt against the corporate oligarchy.

Judgmenl posted...

Hopefully you grow up.

Right-leaning guy thinks corporate oligarchy/capitalism is bad, and left-leaning guy says thats stupid.

This is weird!

tldr: People don't know what the American Revolution was about.

zebatov posted...

Right-leaning guy thinks corporate oligarchy/capitalism is bad, and left-leaning guy says thats stupid.

This is weird!

I'm not right leaning. I hate left vs. right politics.

After 1/6 and considering some of the nutjobs in the republican party I wouldn't put it out of the realm of possibility.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/m/de0a1957-2290-3fbf-bab6-36f8ea61edb2/civil-war-in-the-united.html

Judgmenl posted...

A revolution in the US? Absolutely not.

Don't the Democrats claim that there was a failed one a year ago?

kangolcone posted...

Nothing is technically legal if obtained through violence against police and breaking into federal property.

You also ignore that this crazy mob was called to Washington by Trump, spurred on by conspiracy theories from Trump and his circle, encouraged to use violence by speeches given that day, and was later acknowledged by both politicians and media who side with Trump that he should have intervened.

Sure, totally random and unpredictable though, even though we have evidence of organized groups arming and coming to DC with that purpose.

I'm 'ignoring' it because it isn't part of the question. Had they asked why they did what they did then that would be relevant. But they asked what they hoped to accomplish; which is not the same.

BEERandWEED posted...

I'm not right leaning. I hate left vs. right politics.

I bet. But right makes much more scientific sense.

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It's very difficult to actually define. The dictionary definition is 'a forcible overthrow of a government or social order, in favor of a new system'. So if, say, the 'National Divorce' scenario played out it wouldn't count as a 'revolution' since it was peaceful. Conversely if an outside military came in, destroyed the country and social order, and instituted a new form of government in it's place it would meet the dictionary definition... at least technically. So even though the first would be groups of people separating from the government to change both their government and social order it wouldn't be a revolution. Conversely if an outside force changed such a thing by force it would count... which doesn't sit right with me.

I feel like the defining line for a revolution comes when people reach a point where they are both willing to kill, and willing to die, for the cause on a wide enough scale to hold an impact. As much as people deride the Jan 6 rioters I wager the vast majority of them were unwilling to kill and certainly unwilling to die/risk it all for their goal. Even with the CHAZ it was more a bunch of college students throwing a tantrum and being allowed to get away with it due to a weak mayor and a failure of policing. The CHAZ people would likely have crumbled away in an instant if they had been presented with the choice of either standing by their cause and risking losing it all if they failed or forsaking the cause in return for being able to resume their lives as normal civilians. So when that line gets crossed, when people become both willing to kill and willing to die for the cause, that's when you have a true revolution on hand.

That's just my 2 cents though and my attempt to define something that's rather nebulous in my eyes.