Poll of the Day > Joe Rogan CANCELS his SOLD OUT show in VANCOUVER cause he REFUSES a VACCINE!!!

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54 y/o Elf, Joe Rogan has apologized to his conservative fans up north in Vancouver, Canada after he had to cancel his SOLD OUT April 20th show and delayed it to October because he REFUSED to follow Canada's tyrannical covid-19 vaccine mandates where the province says people must show proof of vaccination in order to go into large arenas and to travel.

He said on his podcast "I should probably say this because i haven't yet. My 4/20 show that's sold out in Vancouver, i don't think that's happening. I don't think i can even get into the country. I'm not vaccinated. I'm not gonna get vaccinated. I have antibodies, it doesn't make sense".

It's no secret that the longtime UFC commentator and podcast host is an outspoken opponent of vaccine mandates after contracting it back in September and said he immediately threw it in the kitchen sink after taking a list of doped up drugs including steroid prednisone, a Z-Pac, a vitamin drip and ivermectin.

He revealed anybody who bought tickets will have their tickets honoured for October 24th but those who want a refund will get it.

He is hoping that the vaccine mandate will be over by then and covid for that matter

Do you think people got covid already and claim to have "antibodies" should be enough to enter Canada?

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Joe Rogan could use some Rogaine.

Why exactly is he against it? He goes and takes everything else, but this is the line despite it demonstrably doing nothing bad to anybody? I feel like he believes the conspiracy theories but doesn't want to get mocked.

I like how duckbear puts antibodies in quotations like they aren't a real thing lmao

...elf?

Bulbasaur posted...

...elf?

what you got against elves let me guess you only like orcs?

He believes in doctors and scientists, unless they say something he doesnt like then he finds a doctor or scientist that will say the thing he likes

No one is saying recovery is not valid? Pretty sure going from 3G to 2G means dropping a recent negative testing as a valid entry permit, not vaccination or recovery.

Most countries right now use either system I think.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Why exactly is he against it? He goes and takes everything else, but this is the line despite it demonstrably doing nothing bad to anybody? I feel like he believes the conspiracy theories but doesn't want to get mocked.

Isn't there considerable evidence that there a a link between the vax and myocarditis?

hungrymike posted...

Isn't there considerable evidence that there a a link between the vax and myocarditis?

No, there's considerable evidence of a link between covid and myocarditis. People were being "special" with numbers and didn't realise that it actually showed a reduced rate against background.

hungrymike posted...

Isn't there considerable evidence that there a a link between the vax and myocarditis?

There is, at a rate of about 1/100,000, the vast majority of which have been very mild cases that cleared up quickly and without further incident once treated. It's also worth noting that that risk is 1-2 orders of magnitude lower than the risk of developing myocarditis from Covid itself.

It's a side effect, yes, but it's such a rare and relatively inconsequential one that any quantitative risk analysis will lead to the conclusion that it is safer to get vaccinated than not.

Full Throttle posted...

Do you think people got covid already and claim to have "antibodies" should be enough to enter Canada?

Hypothetically, if they can obtain proof of antibody production and a negative test, both shortly before their trip (the current Canadian standard for negative tests is 72 hours, that would likely work for both), that would serve roughly the same purpose as a vaccine requirement. In practice, though, implementing the ability to verify that would be a bunch of extra work that would really only serve to let somebody in who probably isn't going to respect any other countermeasures while they're here, so sticking with the vaccine requirement is reasonable (particularly where being vaccinated still provides improved immunity even in those that have had it already).

Joe Rogan is an entertaining guy but if you listen to his medical advice you're a total fucking moron.

faramir77 posted...

Joe Rogan is an entertaining guy but if you listen to his medical advice you're a total fucking moron.

Unfortunately, that describes rather a lot of people these days.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

No one is saying recovery is not valid? Pretty sure going from 3G to 2G means dropping a recent negative testing as a valid entry permit, not vaccination or recovery.

Most countries right now use either system I think.

In our country De Jonge blocks serological tests to proof recovery. There even is a unanimous approved "motie" to do so. Lots of people got the coof in the beginning when you couldn't test.

adjl posted...

There is, at a rate of about 1/100,000, the vast majority of which have been very mild cases that cleared up quickly and without further incident once treated. It's also worth noting that that risk is 1-2 orders of magnitude lower than the risk of developing myocarditis from Covid itself.

But that 1/100.000 is for all age groups. A Isreali study stated 1/20.000 for people under 30. It is like ignoring that covid is only dangerous for 1/200.000 under 50 years of age.

MICHALECOLE posted...

He believes in doctors and scientists, unless they say something he doesnt like then he finds a doctor or scientist that will say the thing he likes

I mean, doesn't everybody? That's literally how the media works.

Zeus posted...

I mean, doesn't everybody? That's literally how the media works.

Thats not what I do. Is that what you do, Zeus?

Baardmeester posted...

It is like ignoring that covid is only lethal for 1/200.000 under 50 years of age.

FTFY. You can't compare the rate of a mild, treatable problem to the rate of outright dying. That's not only disingenuous, it's semantically null.

I'm also going to ask for a citation on that 1/200,000.

Even if it less lethal for younger people, younger people can also have long lasting complications.

Younger people can also give it to older people.

Exactly, the overall situation is severe enough that society as a whole decided we need to do something about it.

Most of society, anyway. There are still some holdouts that seem to like the idea of tens of thousands of old people dying unnecessarily, for some reason.

Society has decided, individuals holdout for whatever selfish reasons they think they might have.

Oh no, an asshole has to refund everyone's money for being a douchebag, how terrible.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Society has decided, individuals holdout for whatever selfish reasons they think they might have.

Then you know what, those people don't need to have jobs, they don't need to go to the movies, hang out with friends and family, they don't need to be apart of anyone and can live the rest of their lives in isolation if they don't want to do the right thing.

adjl posted...

Most of society, anyway. There are still some holdouts that seem to like the idea of tens of thousands of old people dying unnecessarily, for some reason.

I guess you aren't above spreading hate mongering incorrect rhetoric.

KaijunoKami posted...

Then you know what, those people don't need to have jobs, they don't need to go to the movies, hang out with friends and family, they don't need to be apart of anyone and can live the rest of their lives in isolation if they don't want to do the right thing.

More hate mongering rhetoric. Nobody deserves any of that especially given that the omicron variant has proven that the vaccine doesn't stop the vaccinated from spreading or getting ill from covid.

At what point do we stop trying to force the vaccine on people that don't want it? It seems like a losing battle that's going nowhere

SunWuKung420 posted...

I guess you aren't above spreading hate mongering incorrect rhetoric.

We get it. Youre anti-vaccine, this was established years ago.

I'll be honest, that's probably the single biggest PR victory he could have possibly scored. I don't think anything he could have done on the show would have held as much impact. That said, I don't think anyone who isn't already in favor of him will be moved to support him.

SunWuKung420 posted...

I guess you aren't above spreading hate mongering incorrect rhetoric.

You yourself have proclaimed (inaccurately and disingenuously) that Covid has a 99% survival rate. Presented less disingenuously, that's a 1% mortality rate. That means 1% of the people you infected while you had it (which is almost certainly a non-zero figure, given your refusal to try to prevent its spread) ended up dying. The actual national average is 1.6%, so that's even worse.

Perhaps you don't *like* killing tens of thousands of old people unnecessarily, but you certainly don't seem particularly remorseful about creating that risk. That's not much better.

SunWuKung420 posted...

given that the omicron variant has proven that the vaccine doesn't stop the vaccinated from spreading or getting ill from covid.

It still reduces the risk, it just doesn't do a very good job when presented with a vaccine-resistant variant. This isn't any more surprising than it is that a tetanus shot doesn't prevent you from getting rabies; vaccines can't do much about things they aren't designed to prevent.

Muscles posted...

At what point do we stop trying to force the vaccine on people that don't want it? It seems like a losing battle that's going nowhere

When there's good reason to believe that requiring vaccines no longer makes things safer. That's going to be a matter of the overall viral population evolving to become less dangerous (which Omicron isn't actually an example of, since it's too different from other variants to induce a decent immune response against them), case numbers getting low enough that outbreaks can be easily managed, or achieving herd immunity.

It's not a matter of forcing people to get vaccinated. It's a matter of limiting their ability to hurt others by not being vaccinated. They can choose what they want, but if they make the wrong choice, they need to do it in their own little corner of shame so the rest of us don't have to deal with it.

adjl posted...

You yourself have proclaimed (inaccurately and disingenuously) that Covid has a 99% survival rate. Presented less disingenuously, that's a 1% mortality rate. That means 1% of the people you infected while you had it (which is almost certainly a non-zero figure, given your refusal to try to prevent its spread) ended up dying. The actual national average is 1.6%, so that's even worse.

Perhaps you don't *like* killing tens of thousands of old people unnecessarily, but you certainly don't seem particularly remorseful about creating that risk. That's not much better.

It still reduces the risk, it just doesn't do a very good job when presented with a vaccine-resistant variant. This isn't any more surprising than it is that a tetanus shot doesn't prevent you from getting rabies; vaccines can't do much about things they aren't designed to prevent.

When there's good reason to believe that requiring vaccines no longer makes things safer. That's going to be a matter of the overall viral population evolving to become less dangerous (which Omicron isn't actually an example of, since it's too different from other variants to induce a decent immune response against them), case numbers getting low enough that outbreaks can be easily managed, or achieving herd immunity.

It's not a matter of forcing people to get vaccinated. It's a matter of limiting their ability to hurt others by not being vaccinated. They can choose what they want, but if they make the wrong choice, they need to do it in their own little corner of shame so the rest of us don't have to deal with it.

If you are making it so that they can't live a normal life because they can't do things that other people can, you are trying to force them.

Unbridled9 posted...

If you are making it so that they can't live a normal life because they can't do things that other people can, you are trying to force them.

Define "normal" life. Many things people consider "normal", have some form of hurdle or limitations involved.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Define "normal" life. Many things people consider "normal", have some form of hurdle or limitations involved.

Being able to go out and work, shop, engage in social activities, and to be able to do so without being subject to immense levels of suspicion or risk of persecution in this case.

I'm pro-vaccine. Everyone should get it and we should be doing our best to encourage people to do so.

I am also both against the hysteria (there was a woman who attacked someone on a plane recently for not wearing a mask while eating) as well as against these, frankly, tyrannical mandates (threatening companies with fines if they have non-vaccinated employees for example).

If you're making it so that someone who isn't vaccinated can't work, can be denied from places of shopping and social activities, have to cover up or otherwise seclude themselves, all because they *might* be a health risk then you aren't 'limiting the harm they are doing'; you are forcing them and treating them like a pariah.

Unbridled9 posted...

If you are making it so that they can't live a normal life because they can't do things that other people can, you are trying to force them.

They may feel forced, but that's not the intent behind such measures. Such measures exist to reduce the risks people are facing. Nobody actually cares about the unvaccinated people being unable to do stuff, so framing it in terms of "trying to force them" is just silly.

Unbridled9 posted...

as well as against these, frankly, tyrannical mandates (threatening companies with fines if they have non-vaccinated employees for example).

Are you against health codes requiring kitchen staff to wash their hands before handling the food they serve to people? Are you against OHS regulations requiring factories to include suitable guards on their machinery and train their workers to operate them safely? Are you against background checks for ECE workers?

The world is full of regulations that are applied to companies for the safety of their employees and the public. Mandating vaccines is just another example of that. It just seems scary and tyrannical because it's new and applying to companies that haven't previously faced much by way of safety regulations.

adjl posted...

They may feel forced, but that's not the intent behind such measures. Such measures exist to reduce the risks people are facing. Nobody actually cares about the unvaccinated people being unable to do stuff, so framing it in terms of "trying to force them" is just silly.

What you INTEND and what you DO are not the same. This isn't like walling off content on a site behind a membership. This is making it so an unvaccinated person is limited in the things they can do, some of which may be or are essential to their life (if they get fired from work they can't pay bills or buy food for example), and making it so they have to wear a distinguishing item that vaccinated people don't have to and get treated extremely negatively for their choice.

That is forcing. It may not be busting down the door, wrestling them to the ground like a greased hog, then injecting them in the bum with a vaccine, but it is, most certainly, forcing a person. They can't live a normal life unless they get the vaccine.

Baardmeester posted...

A Isreali study stated

you can literally ignore any and all of the covid studies from isreal

they're very sketchy

Unbridled9 posted...

They can't live a normal life unless they get the vaccine.

Neither can anyone else. Not without excluding them, anyway.

adjl posted...

vaccines can't do much about things they aren't designed to prevent.

i got the polio vaccine but i still got a cold what the fuck

Unbridled9 posted...

They can't live a normal life unless they get the vaccine.

good.

fuck them, because none of us can live a normal life if they don't.

Bulbasaur posted...

good.

fuck them, because none of us can live a normal life if they don't.

You do realize COVID's not going away, right?

It's EXTREMELY hard to get rid of a disease for good. Smallpox took ~80 years to do so and basically the entire world was behind it because it was one of the worst diseases in existence. There were a ton of advantages that we had against smallpox once we had a vaccine to boot that we just don't have against covid (like smallpox not mutating a lot). Keep in mind, this is one of exactly TWO diseases humans have managed to legit 'end' with the other being one that didn't even affect humans. Polio's on it's back legs and will likely be gone for good by 2030 and there's a few others that may kick the bucket soon, but it's VERY hard to actually eliminate a disease.

If you are determining 'normal' by how life was without covid, it's just not going to happen. Even if covid could, somehow, be killed 'swiftly' we're still looking at a multi-year battle ahead of us. I wouldn't be surprised if it was at least 15-20 years with full support and a worldwide focused effort to exterminate it if it even is possible considering we've seen multiple mutations/strains by this point.

So, no, you are not going to live a 'normal' life even if they do.

adjl posted...

Neither can anyone else. Not without excluding them, anyway.

Yes you can. COVID sucks a lot by all accounts, but we're not talking the bubonic plague here. You're not going to erupt in blistering sores that will scare you for life or have your bones get warped or be saddled with some pain that's going to last your entire life. If you catch it it WILL suck and, yes, there is a small chance it can even kill you; but then you can get up and live your life after. Even if someone is unvaccinated it's not at all like every unvaccinated person automatically is a carrier for it. If you go out to watch a movie, have dinner with, and engage in a three-day sex-a-thon with an unvaccinated person you can still walk away from it without having caught it. Heck, if everyone who was unvaccinated DID catch it immediately the whole pandemic would likely be over in a month as people either recovered or died.

Like I said, I am VERY pro-vaccine. I fully believe in modern medicine and am even wondering if we could eventually do things like inject health-nanobots into our bloodstream to just rip apart diseases and never get sick as a result. However the hysteria and mandates I am very much against. Especially since, sometimes, you got to say some things just matter more.

Unbridled9 posted...

Yes you can. COVID sucks a lot by all accounts, but we're not talking the bubonic plague here. You're not going to erupt in blistering sores that will scare you for life or have your bones get warped or be saddled with some pain that's going to last your entire life. If you catch it it WILL suck and, yes, there is a small chance it can even kill you; but then you can get up and live your life after. Even if someone is unvaccinated it's not at all like every unvaccinated person automatically is a carrier for it. If you go out to watch a movie, have dinner with, and engage in a three-day sex-a-thon with an unvaccinated person you can still walk away from it without having caught it. Heck, if everyone who was unvaccinated DID catch it immediately the whole pandemic would likely be over in a month as people either recovered or died.

It remains dangerous enough that having a significant unvaccinated population going about their lives as normal would result in a very large number of dead people, not all of which would be unvaccinated. The health care system simply can't handle that indefinitely, so if the unvaccinated are to participate in normal life, normal life needs some considerable adaptations to reduce that risk (namely, masks, distancing, gathering limits, and possibly travel restrictions/mandatory quarantines for incoming people). That's not even considering the issue that having unchecked spread like that dramatically increases the risk of another vaccine-resist variant emerging, one which might not be as realatively mild as Omicron next time (though Omicron doesn't actually seem to be mild enough to make up for how much more rapidly it's spreading).

"Normal" can't happen without herd immunity. Any attempts to force it to happen before then are just going to result in a whole lot of people dying unnecessarily. That herd immunity can be achieved in one of two ways: Vaccinate enough people to achieve it, or remove enough uinvaccinated people from the herd to reach the necessary rate.

adjl posted...

"Normal" can't happen without herd immunity.

Omicron says "you're welcome".

SunWuKung420 posted...

Omicron says "you're welcome".

I think youre just pissed you jumped onto the get rich by selling life insurance scheme too early.

adjl posted...

It remains dangerous enough that having a significant unvaccinated population going about their lives as normal would result in a very large number of dead people, not all of which would be unvaccinated. The health care system simply can't handle that indefinitely, so if the unvaccinated are to participate in normal life, normal life needs some considerable adaptations to reduce that risk (namely, masks, distancing, gathering limits, and possibly travel restrictions/mandatory quarantines for incoming people). That's not even considering the issue that having unchecked spread like that dramatically increases the risk of another vaccine-resist variant emerging, one which might not be as realatively mild as Omicron next time (though Omicron doesn't actually seem to be mild enough to make up for how much more rapidly it's spreading).

"Normal" can't happen without herd immunity. Any attempts to force it to happen before then are just going to result in a whole lot of people dying unnecessarily. That herd immunity can be achieved in one of two ways: Vaccinate enough people to achieve it, or remove enough uinvaccinated people from the herd to reach the necessary rate.

So then where is the limit? What restrictions are you willing to impose in order to get your 'return to normalcy'? How far is too far before they're being 'forced'? Are you willing to give up everything, making others suffer immensely, if only so that you can return to 'normalcy'? What will it even look like once it happens? How many people will insist on the face masks even long after the threat is gone? Throw hysterical fits the moment someone has a mild cough using the same argument? What will you do the next time a mayor or governor engages in a lockdown for whatever reason?

You are operating under the assumption that the reward (normalcy) is, effectively, worth any 'cost', especially if it's not a cost directly shouldered by you. After all, you, presumably, have been vaccinated so you can return to a normal life and the only people stopping that are the people who are refusing to get vaccinated. But is that true? Where does the line exist? Where is a person's attitude towards an unvaccinated person cross from justified reaction to justified hysteria? What are you willing to do to punish the unvaccinated for their choice or are you willing to even give them a choice? When a new threat arises are you willing to enact the same measures that you approved of here?

I will never agree with the sort of mindset willing to punish a five year old child for being unvaccinated. Or saying people should be fired from their jobs if they lack it. I've seen photos of people being locked away in containment pods so they could meet their families for holidays and people being welded into their own homes in nations like China. I will never support something like that. Ever. There are some things worth more than life and not being... that... is one of them.

Unbridled9 posted...

making others suffer immensely

Getting a fucking vaccine isn't "suffering immensely"

Cacciato should have deleted his 2nd failed attempt at insulting me.

SunWuKung420 posted...

Cacciato should have deleted his 2nd failed attempt at insulting me.

Good retort. I didnt want my buddy James to get doxxed like you doxx yourself.

I used to listen to Joe Rogan then it's like the thought that there could be a pandemic in the current year fried his brain.

papercup posted...

I used to listen to Joe Rogan then it's like the thought that there could be a pandemic in the current year fried his brain.

Seriously. He went crazy. I really think it started with the first Elon interview and he went super downhill from there and the pandemic turned him into bro Alex Jones