Poll of the Day > California soon to have no more bacon due to people voting with their feelings.

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Honestly, I could live just fine without pork. Ribs and pepporoni are the only things id miss.

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adjl posted...

Which, in turn, means the price of pork products can be expected to increase by ~20% to compensate for the lost production capacity. That's enough to cut down on the amount people are going to be buying, certainly, but it's hardly "California has no more bacon," and it's not such a prohibitive loss as to warrant cutting out California's market entirely.

The fact that so few pig farmers have hit the targets is less a matter of those targets being unattainable and more a matter of them deciding it was hard and hoping the law would be changed before coming into effect.

No it means he can't afford it.
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Revelation34 posted...

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-business-health-california-coronavirus-pandemic-5ebe70407fcd94ef712c16410f32c4b1

"In Iowa, which raises about one-third of the nations hogs, farmer Dwight Mogler estimates the changes would cost him $3 million and allow room for 250 pigs in a space that now holds 300."

And? This doesn't refute what I've said.

If this farmer's production is expected to drop by 16%, we would expect prices to rise by the same amount to cover the costs, plus more to deal with the initial overhead costs of renovating part or all of the farm. The initial article suggests pork prices in California will rise up to 60% - more than enough to cover it.

Again, this isn't difficult - the people wanted hogs to be treated more ethically and they're going to get it. It will cost more, but that is something California voters are apparently willing to accept as a price for more ethical meat. Honestly? Good for them.

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darkknight109 posted...

Again, this isn't difficult - the people wanted hogs to be treated more ethically and they're going to get it. It will cost more, but that is something California voters are apparently willing to accept as a price for more ethical meat. Honestly? Good for them.

Heck, given how heavily meat is already subsidized in America, I won't be surprised if further subsidies are added to help offset the increased costs (or at least to help farmers become compliant with the new rules).

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I find the best argument for not eating meat is to watch the texas chainsaw massacre and put yourself in the position of the victims of leatherface and co. Obviously, if my place was swapped with a slaughterpig, I would not want to be slaughtered. Right? So if you like the idea of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, then you should obviously not eat meat. So bacon is bad. It's delicious, but bad. I'm sure Leatherface thinks people taste great. So we're Leatherface. Great.

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beefcake71090 posted...

I find the best argument for not eating meat is to watch the texas chainsaw massacre and put yourself in the position of the victims of leatherface and co. Obviously, if my place was swapped with a slaughterpig, I would not want to be slaughtered. Right? So if you like the idea of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, then you should obviously not eat meat. So bacon is bad. It's delicious, but bad. I'm sure Leatherface thinks people taste great. So we're Leatherface. Great.

Sometimes, animals eat other animals. And if a pig was given us as food, I believe they would eat us. So, we are doing onto others as they do onto us
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I never understood ethical treatment of animals that are going to be eaten anyway. What's the point of treating animals nicely if their whole purpose in life is just to feed us?
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LinkPizza posted...

Sometimes, animals eat other animals. And if a pig was given us as food, I believe they would eat us. So, we are doing onto others as they do onto us

they absolutely would. pigs can and will eat any part of a human except hair/toenails/fingernails/teeth.
and that's just because they can't digest those parts.
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lihlih posted...

I never understood ethical treatment of animals that are going to be eaten anyway. What's the point of treating animals nicely if their whole purpose in life is just to feed us?

Because we are human beings, not monsters.

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lihlih posted...

I never understood ethical treatment of animals that are going to be eaten anyway. What's the point of treating animals nicely if their whole purpose in life is just to feed us?

this is genuinely disturbing thinking

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Torture adds to the flavor

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LinkPizza posted...

Sometimes, animals eat other animals. And if a pig was given us as food, I believe they would eat us. So, we are doing onto others as they do onto us

Pretty sure no pig has ever set up a human farm where humans are raised in tiny crates too small for them to even turn around in.

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I'd like to point out that the cramped quarters we keep livestock in help facilitate the spread and mutation of diseases that transfer to humans. With all the health problems the meat industry causes, cutting into their profits by forcing them to stop squeezing so many animals into such little space might actually save us all money overall.

Anyway, just something to think about since most people don't give af about abusing animals so long as that abuse isn't sexual.

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darkknight109 posted...

Pretty sure no pig has ever set up a human farm where humans are raised in tiny crates too small for them to even turn around in.

I never said they did. I did say they would eat us, though
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captpackrat posted...

Because we are human beings, not monsters.

And they're nothing but food.
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lihlih posted...

And they're nothing but food.

They are factually more than that. They are alive. They think, they feel.

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Remember, humanity can do bad things as long as they do nice things first.

Like a fancy dinner before sex.

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LinkPizza posted...

I never said they did. I did say they would eat us, though

LinkPizza posted...

So, we are doing onto others as they do onto us

The issue here is not merely eating the animals, but rather raising them in horrible, torturous conditions. Unfortunately, it's simply not possible to meet the US' demand for meat without resorting to such practices, so enforcing improvements in animal welfare is going to require people to eat less meat. In truth, that's generally a good thing, both nutritionally and ethically.

lihlih posted...

I never understood ethical treatment of animals that are going to be eaten anyway. What's the point of treating animals nicely if their whole purpose in life is just to feed us?

Generally, because torturing animals for profit and convenience isn't a great precedent.

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lihlih posted...

And they're nothing but food.

You realize that these are sentient creatures with inner experience right

adjl posted...

The issue here is not merely eating the animals, but rather raising them in horrible, torturous conditions. Unfortunately, it's simply not possible to meet the US' demand for meat without resorting to such practices, so enforcing improvements in animal welfare is going to require people to eat less meat. In truth, that's generally a good thing, both nutritionally and ethically.

Maybe. But Id honestly rather not eat less meat than I do if I can help it

That said, my original quote was responding to the person that was mainly talking about its bad to eat then because then we are leatherface
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Gaawa_chan posted...

Anyway, just something to think about since most people don't give af about abusing animals so long as that abuse isn't sexual.

On a somewhat related note, I find it interesting that some would judge other cultures/regions for eating the "wrong" type of animal but sees nothing wrong with their own culture should the situation ever be reversed.

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honkzilla posted...

You realize that these are sentient creatures with inner experience right

Yeah, creatures that have 1 purpose in life, which is to get eaten by us. If they're born just to be eaten, who the fuck cares how they live their life?
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InfestedAdam posted...

On a somewhat related note, I find it interesting that some would judge other cultures/regions for eating the "wrong" type of animal but sees nothing wrong with their own culture should the situation ever be reversed.

other cultures have people that do the same thing
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darkknight109 posted...

And? This doesn't refute what I've said.

If this farmer's production is expected to drop by 16%, we would expect prices to rise by the same amount to cover the costs, plus more to deal with the initial overhead costs of renovating part or all of the farm. The initial article suggests pork prices in California will rise up to 60% - more than enough to cover it.

Again, this isn't difficult - the people wanted hogs to be treated more ethically and they're going to get it. It will cost more, but that is something California voters are apparently willing to accept as a price for more ethical meat. Honestly? Good for them.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/3-poll-of-the-day/79594632?page=5#52

beefcake71090 posted...

I find the best argument for not eating meat is to watch the texas chainsaw massacre and put yourself in the position of the victims of leatherface and co. Obviously, if my place was swapped with a slaughterpig, I would not want to be slaughtered. Right? So if you like the idea of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you, then you should obviously not eat meat. So bacon is bad. It's delicious, but bad. I'm sure Leatherface thinks people taste great. So we're Leatherface. Great.

That argument:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=ozfGeGYe-lY

adjl posted...

The issue here is not merely eating the animals, but rather raising them in horrible, torturous conditions. Unfortunately, it's simply not possible to meet the US' demand for meat without resorting to such practices, so enforcing improvements in animal welfare is going to require people to eat less meat. In truth, that's generally a good thing, both nutritionally and ethically.

Pig in general is healthier than other meat like chicken if you don't eat things like sausage or bacon.

InfestedAdam posted...

On a somewhat related note, I find it interesting that some would judge other cultures/regions for eating the "wrong" type of animal but sees nothing wrong with their own culture should the situation ever be reversed.

Most of them are kids or teens.
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lihlih posted...

If they're born just to be eaten, who the fuck cares how they live their life?

most people

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Mead posted...

most people

Ehhhh

The actions of society as a whole indicate that we give absolutely zero fucks about the welfare of animals in general

People deliberately to overlook it, but even the smallest, dumbest pest or farm animals can display genuine sorrow and anguish when kept in horrible conditions, which we do on an unprecedented scale

Even when kept in pleasant conditions, these animals are killed for food at the ripe old age of "just finished puberty".

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Revelation34 posted...

Pig in general is healthier than other meat like chicken

Labeling a single food item as "healthy" or "unhealthy" is, with few exceptions, nonsense

(as opposed to evaluating the sum relative quantities of food in one's diet as a whole)

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Blighboy posted...

Ehhhh

The actions of society as a whole indicate that we give absolutely zero fucks about the welfare of animals in general

People deliberately to overlook it, but even the smallest, dumbest pest or farm animals can display genuine sorrow and anguish when kept in horrible conditions, which we do on an unprecedented scale

Even when kept in pleasant conditions, these animals are killed for food at the ripe old age of "just finished puberty".

sure but I think if most people are actually asked about it they would prefer that even animals being raised for slaughter not experience unnecessary suffering

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Lokarin posted...

And since California probably exports a ton of pork currently and won't soon.... congrats, the McRib no longer exists

what a loss lmaoooo

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Mead posted...

sure but I think if most people are actually asked about it they would prefer that even animals being raised for slaughter not experience unnecessary suffering

This is measurably true of California, because that's exactly what happened to prompt this change.

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