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Lokarin
06/11/21 4:47:43 PM
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And you can't auto say Trump... that's too trendy

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Ima go with Reagan

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Ogurisama
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Lokarin
06/11/21 4:52:12 PM
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Judgmenl
06/11/21 4:57:19 PM
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Donald J. Trump or Andrew Johnson.

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wolfy42
06/11/21 5:00:38 PM
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Obviously George Washington. Bitch started it all.

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streamofthesky
06/11/21 5:02:00 PM
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Andrew Jackson, easily.
Though Trump w/o the modern sensibilities and news coverage probably could've given AJ a run for the top spot.

Reagan is by far the most evil of the modern presidents other than Trump. Nixon and GWB are up there, too.

Andrew Johnson was one of the worst presidents of all time, but not sure I'd say he was evil. Lincoln stupidly chose an opposition politician as his VP for "unity" when all it really did was say, "hey, if you assassinate me, I set things up for every single policy I worked on to be reversed!"
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ParanoidObsessive
06/11/21 5:08:12 PM
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Judgmenl
06/11/21 5:10:07 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLiI6kXZkZI
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Jen0125
06/11/21 5:10:44 PM
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Dick Cheney

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hungrymike
06/11/21 5:11:32 PM
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In my lifetime, probably g w bush.
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Mead
06/11/21 5:16:09 PM
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Andrew Jackson without a doubt

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Kyuubi4269
06/11/21 5:34:38 PM
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Biden, but he's so feeble and incompetent he can't actually do anything so it doesn't really matter. Nobody's scared of the Nazi in the nursing home.
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Judgmenl
06/11/21 5:41:26 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Biden, but he's so feeble and incompetent he can't actually do anything so it doesn't really matter. Nobody's scared of the Nazi in the nursing home.
Nice to live in a delusion.

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Hop103
06/11/21 5:53:02 PM
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Mead posted...
Andrew Jackson without a doubt


This, followed by Nixon and Hoover.
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Zeus
06/11/21 6:34:34 PM
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Let's see...

Adams had the Alien & Sedition Acts, which clamped down on the press and allowed them to suppress political opponents.

Obama ramped up secret surveillance programs started under Bush, raided news offices, tapped journalists' phones, took the drone program all the way to 11 (including murdering a wedding procession, then trying to claim that they were terrorists), starting a war on whistleblowers including prosecuting more whistleblowers than iirc all other presidents combined and generally for bullshit reasons to suppress them, as well as being responsible for the torture of Chelsea Manning. I guess on that same note GWB deserves a nod for getting a lot of the surveillance state started, his involvement in the drone program, redefining torture, etc.

Speaking of redefining shit, Bill Clinton redefined genocide to prevent the US from getting involved in stopping a genocide and then went so far as to block UN involvement in that genocide. Not to mention his long history of sexual assault, abuse of office to solicit sexual favors, etc. And, of course, there was that nonsense where he was shifting the chronically unemployed onto federal disability programs to make his unemployment numbers go down. Maybe he wasn't always as destructive as other presidents, but he was pretty fucking evil.

LBJ put us into Vietnam even after asserting he wouldn't that (with some very racist public statements), created an entitlement state that's screwed this country over for generations, and -- according to some conspiracy theorists -- may have even masterminded the JFK assassination.

And while people give Jackson and Van Buren a nod for their Native American removal programs, theirs were just some of many such programs. Up until maybe 1980, it'd be hard to find a presidency that didn't do horrible things to the Native American population (and I think the 70s were the end of the US's forced sterlization of Native women; if it goes on further than that, then obviously later)

Lokarin posted...
Ima go with Reagan

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Lokarin
06/11/21 6:46:26 PM
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Zeus posted...
Oh lawdy...

He was so evil they based The Exorcist on him

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ReturnOfFa
06/11/21 7:32:04 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Andrew Jackson, easily.
Though Trump w/o the modern sensibilities and news coverage probably could've given AJ a run for the top spot.

Reagan is by far the most evil of the modern presidents other than Trump. Nixon and GWB are up there, too.

Andrew Johnson was one of the worst presidents of all time, but not sure I'd say he was evil. Lincoln stupidly chose an opposition politician as his VP for "unity" when all it really did was say, "hey, if you assassinate me, I set things up for every single policy I worked on to be reversed!"
These are the correct answers.

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ReturnOfFa
06/11/21 7:32:28 PM
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If you align yourself with evangelicals - you're evil. Sorry!

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CaptainStrong
06/11/21 11:34:35 PM
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Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
Barack Hussein Obama II
George Walker Bush
Ronald Wilson Reagan

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Lokarin
06/11/21 11:53:58 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
Joseph Robinette Biden Jr.
Barack Hussein Obama II
George Walker Bush
Ronald Wilson Reagan

More names is more evil...

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BlackScythe0
06/11/21 11:56:34 PM
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Andrew Jackson is well remembered for genocide.
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streamofthesky
06/12/21 12:07:29 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Andrew Jackson is well remembered for genocide.
Less well remembered for causing the first major economic crash in U.S. history, and unlike all of the others, he was directly responsible for it.

He also created the "Spoils System" of giving cabinet positions to his buddies, prior to him presidents actually tried to include some opposing politicians.

He also pioneering the mudslinging dirty campaign ads we all know and love. Both he and his opponent used them, except Adams' scandalous charges (like AJ hooking up w/ his wife before her divorce was actually finalized) were mostly true while as Jackson's insults were mostly "alternative facts."

Oh, and he also lied in the campaign claiming his victory at New Orleans gave the U.S. better terms in the peace treaty, even though the battle occurred 2 weeks after the treaty was signed (trans-Atlantic communications pre-Morse Code, y'all).

Or the part where the Cherokee won in the Supreme Court that they have a right to stay, but Jackson genocided them anyway.

Fuck... that's enough for tonight. Seriously though, fuck that douche bag and he can't be off the $20 fast enough.
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Sarcasthma
06/12/21 1:20:55 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Biden, but he's so feeble and incompetent he can't actually do anything so it doesn't really matter. Nobody's scared of the Nazi in the nursing home.
You silly Brit.

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shadowsword87
06/12/21 1:25:11 AM
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Andrew Jackson no doubt.
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xcrimx
06/12/21 3:27:13 AM
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Lyndon Johnson, Hoover, Cheney.
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mooreandrew58
06/12/21 7:42:03 AM
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Id say Trump wasnt evil. He was just a bitter old man with a detoriating mind screaming get off my lawn to everyone.

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Jen0125
06/12/21 7:54:45 AM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
Id say Trump wasnt evil. He was just a bitter old man with a detoriating mind screaming get off my lawn to everyone.

His inaction and malicious actions regarding COVID killed hundreds of thousands of people.

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Reigning_King
06/12/21 8:06:25 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
His inaction and malicious actions regarding COVID killed hundreds of thousands of people.
Did he really though? Funny how people got on him by saying he was overstepping his bounds early in his term but then those same people got on him for not becoming a 100% authoritarian dictator who welded people's doors shut to keep them locked inside their homes towards the end of his term.
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Jen0125
06/12/21 8:07:19 AM
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Reigning_King posted...
Did he really though?

Yes.

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Reigning_King
06/12/21 8:11:16 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
Yes.
It must be nice to be able to so easily set up effigies to blame for all the ills of the world, to see things in such lovely and neat shades of black and white. Really though that goes for everyone posting seriously itt, since the topic title alone is pretty ridiculous.
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Jen0125
06/12/21 8:22:57 AM
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Reigning_King posted...
It must be nice to be able to so easily set up effigies to blame for all the ills of the world

Like the hanging Obama effigies?


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Jen0125
06/12/21 8:24:07 AM
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It must be nice to have a mental disorder that gives you the intellectual capacity of a partially drowned puppy with brain damage but I wouldn't know how that feels. Is your life very simple?


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Reigning_King
06/12/21 8:28:54 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
Like the hanging Obama effigies?
Exactly like that. It's not surprising that politics rots the brain on both sides of the spectrum, that's entirely by design you know.
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mooreandrew58
06/12/21 8:59:08 AM
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Jen0125 posted...
His inaction and malicious actions regarding COVID killed hundreds of thousands of people.

I still think it's his detoriated mental capacity. I only consider things evil if it was intentionally mallicious. Now you could talk about his years as a sleazy businessman.

Man wasnt equipped to handle covid. His failing mind plus his enormous ego was a match made in hell. Had he been younger maybe just maybe he woulda been smart enough to defer to someone more knowledgeable on the subject. Likely would steal the credit if successful though.


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streamofthesky
06/12/21 10:41:15 AM
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Reigning_King posted...
It must be nice to be able to so easily set up effigies to blame for all the ills of the world, to see things in such lovely and neat shades of black and white. Really though that goes for everyone posting seriously itt, since the topic title alone is pretty ridiculous.

mooreandrew58 posted...
I still think it's his detoriated mental capacity. I only consider things evil if it was intentionally mallicious.

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/911179868/ on-tape-president-trump-admits-to-downplaying-the-pandemic

President Trump was aware of the severity of the coronavirus in early February, telling Bob Woodward that it was much more severe than the flu. In public, Trump used the flu comparison in a different way: highlighting the flu's high seasonal death toll compared to the few dozen early cases of coronavirus.

He admitted to Woodward in March that he was intentionally downplaying the pandemic in order to avoid panic. Those revelations are contained in Woodward's new book Rage.
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mooreandrew58
06/12/21 10:45:26 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/911179868/ on-tape-president-trump-admits-to-downplaying-the-pandemic

Ok. Doesn't change what I said. Someone evil would have stuck to their lie tried justifying it. Trump was just a idiot is what I'm saying.

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GanonsSpirit
06/12/21 10:46:10 AM
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Jackson, no contest. Any other answer is wrong.
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What_The_Chris
06/12/21 10:48:51 AM
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obviously Bill Clinton

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streamofthesky
06/12/21 10:49:48 AM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
Ok. Doesn't change what I said. Someone evil would have stuck to their lie tried justifying it. Trump was just a idiot is what I'm saying.
Stupid and evil aren't mutually exclusive, for fuck's sake
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mooreandrew58
06/12/21 10:55:29 AM
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streamofthesky posted...
Stupid and evil aren't mutually exclusive, for fuck's sake

Imo it is. Evil to me is intentional. I think his mind was/is fucked due to old age. So not intentional.

I could be wrong and he was in full control of his mind but the way he acted I just feel that wasn't the case

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Jen0125
06/12/21 10:56:53 AM
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I'm not going to even argue with Trump apologists.

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mooreandrew58
06/12/21 4:43:11 PM
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Jen0125 posted...
I'm not going to even argue with Trump apologists.

Whatever. I admit he was a terrible president I just aint saying he was evil.

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ReturnOfFa
06/12/21 5:03:31 PM
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mooreandrew58 posted...
Whatever. I admit he was a terrible president I just aint saying he was evil.
lol

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Unbridled9
06/12/21 5:18:20 PM
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Really hard to argue against Jackson being the worst by any standard. I mean, unpopular/losing wars are bad; but flat-out genocide just... you can't beat that in terms of 'evil'. You basically have to look at someone like Davis but he wasn't a U.S. president.

I find it really surprising no one has said Nixon. I mean, Watergate. I don't think he was the worst (though there's no way I'd consider him 'good') but you'd think some idiot would come in and say he was simply because of corruption and stuff. He's basically the posterchild of 'corrupt leaders' now-a-days.


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InfernalFive
06/12/21 7:07:32 PM
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Anyone that doesn't say Andrew Jackson is a blind inept moron.

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streamofthesky
06/12/21 8:45:54 PM
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Unbridled9 posted...
I find it really surprising no one has said Nixon. I mean, Watergate. I don't think he was the worst (though there's no way I'd consider him 'good') but you'd think some idiot would come in and say he was simply because of corruption and stuff. He's basically the posterchild of 'corrupt leaders' now-a-days.
Trump's numerous impeachable offenses were all worse than Watergate. And while Nixon had people in his cabinet that pushed back against him, Trump had sycophants that gleefully went along w/ it.
We're still learning new shit, like how he had his underlings investigating House Democrats to dig for anything they could find.

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Unbridled9
06/12/21 8:52:13 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Trump's numerous impeachable offenses were all worse than Watergate. And while Nixon had people in his cabinet that pushed back against him, Trump had sycophants that gleefully went along w/ it.
We're still learning new shit, like how he had his underlings investigating House Democrats to dig for anything they could find.

Like, Nixon is fucking terrible, but Trump makes him look not so bad by comparison.

Oh please. If Trump played Civ VI and nuked America as Russia the media would claim he's 'enacting wargames to simulate a Russian nuclear victory over America'. Trump's no saint but the left blew any chance they had of me taking any claim they made about him seriously when they refused to shut up about him. Even if the stories are true I simply don't care anymore. He's out of office and, unless he comes back in, I don't want to hear about him again for as long as I live.

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Zeus
06/12/21 9:24:34 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
Trump's numerous impeachable offenses

His first "impeachable offense" was winning the election, although even after wining the primary Democrats were scheming to find ways to cheat him out of office through the electors voting for Hillary instead or trying to impeach him right off the bat. It's hard to pretend that Trump's "impeachment offenses" were anything but a partisan ploy since they decided on impeachment first and then tried to find something to hang on him after.

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CaptainStrong
06/13/21 4:05:17 AM
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Zeus posted...
His first "impeachable offense" was winning the election, although even after wining the primary Democrats were scheming to find ways to cheat him out of office through the electors voting for Hillary instead or trying to impeach him right off the bat. It's hard to pretend that Trump's "impeachment offenses" were anything but a partisan ploy since they decided on impeachment first and then tried to find something to hang on him after.
They were only partisan because the Republicans made it partisan by refusing to condemn Trump for anything, even inciting a motherfucking insurrection. If Trump was the perpetrator of a mass shooting as deadly as the one in Las Vegas in 2017, most Republicans would still defend him.
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Sarcasthma
06/13/21 4:47:56 AM
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Unbridled9 posted...
He's out of office and, unless he comes back in, I don't want to hear about him again for as long as I live.
You should probably avoid topics like this, then.

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