Poll of the Day > Another person died in police custody after being knelt on for 5 minutes

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Happened the day before the Floyd verdict. They just released the bodycam footage.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/27/us/mario-gonzalez-alameda-police.html

Being intoxicated in public means the death penalty now, I guess

Inb4 some smoothbrained shithead says he shouldn't have resisted. Doesn't justify killing an unarmed man.

I know a lot of nurses who deal with combative drunk and drugged out patients all the time, yet somehow manage not to kill them.

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Far-Queue posted...

I know a lot of nurses who deal with combative drunk and drugged out patients all the time, yet somehow manage not to kill them.

It's almost like employing trained professionals to handle mental health crises is a better idea than sending in somebody whose only meaningful qualification is a handgun. Who knew?

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adjl posted...

It's almost like employing trained professionals to handle mental health crises is a better idea than sending in somebody whose only meaningful qualification is a handgun. Who knew?

hey. I was also qualified on a shotgun and rifle, smartass.

In all seriousness, going by the article, it seems like this one may have been more a matter of poor training and actual mistakes than the murderous malice seen with Floyd. Again, that's a reason to employ people that are trained in dealing with these situations instead of people that are really only trained to solve problems violently, but I don't think this one warrants murder charges (not based on this one article, anyway).

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At least he wasn't Black this time///if that's any kinda consolation

pionear posted...

At least he wasn't Black this time///if that's any kinda consolation

The cops may try vanilla sometimes, but they'll always go back to chocolate.

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Far-Queue posted...

I know a lot of nurses who deal with combative drunk and drugged out patients all the time, yet somehow manage not to kill them.

I know this is a serious topic but this made me laugh. The phrase, Its funny cause its true comes to mind.

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How many people have to be beaten or killed by killed by police either incompetent, unqualified for the task at hand, or malicious, before people realize that something needs to fucking change?? How could anyone look at this status quo and say "this is fine?"

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keyblader1985 posted...

How many people have to be beaten or killed by killed by police either incompetent, unqualified for the task at hand, or malicious, before people realize that something needs to fucking change?? How could anyone look at this status quo and say "this is fine?"

It will never change. It will probably get worse.

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I tend to feel like the whole kneeling on someone to subdue them is just wrong.

what they need to do is have a fat chick with poor pubic grooming just take off its pants and squat on top of a perp who is on his or her back and threaten to sit.

instant passive perp/ no deaths in police custody.

• unless the perp pukes on themselves while on their back but then the cops can just roll him/her over.

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I have to wonder if cops would change if there is a series of Derek Chauvin type convictions

What will it take to scare these cops into not murdering people?

Zikten posted...

What will it take to scare these cops into not murdering people?

Justice, whether it comes from the side of the law, or the side of armed citizens who are no longer willing to tolerate being 'acceptable losses'.

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Murder and other malicious crimes committed by cops in the line of duty should be mandatory maximum sentencing

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keyblader1985 posted...

How many people have to be beaten or killed by killed by police either incompetent, unqualified for the task at hand, or malicious, before people realize that something needs to fucking change?? How could anyone look at this status quo and say "this is fine?"

I was gonna say something positive. But after reading Jens response shes prolly right. Theyll prolly ramp it.

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"you can't prosecute all of us"

Exemplified by the rampant police brutality during last year's protests

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Blightzkrieg posted...

"you can't prosecute all of us"

Exemplified by the rampant police brutality during last year's protests

they know how clogged the courts are because theyre the ones locking so many people away for petty things

so they feel no pressure to flush or even wipe

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So one of them suggested they move him onto his side, and the guy doing the suffocating refused?

:-/

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Police Officer the only job where they expect them to be trained in the following.

Social Worker
Mental Health Professional
Handling any crime
Dealing with all vehicle violations
Community Manager

Any cop that can handle all of these jobs at a high level deserves a medal. It's ridiculous how much we ask from cops, and plenty are bad cops I agree on that but the ideals of what a cop is supposed to do is a joke.

We don't go to our doctors and give them a laundry list of other shit to handle.

It's actually similar to teachers on that regard, in that they typically take on much more than they're qualified for or are officially responsible for. But where police are often worshipped, teachers normally get very little respect.

A lot of reform is needed. We shouldn't be putting so much on police OR teachers.

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keyblader1985 posted...

It's actually similar to teachers on that regard, in that they typically take on much more than they're qualified for or are officially responsible for. But where police are often worshipped, teachers normally get very little respect.

A lot of reform is needed. We shouldn't be putting so much on police OR teachers.

I can agree about teachers dealing with children or teenagers, but a lot of this stuff goes to the wayside with college professors. They have a lot more leeway on what stuff beyond teaching they have to deal with, and many of them have assistants that help them with a portion of the work.

Professors aren't really teachers, the two professions aren't directly comparable.

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Monopoman posted...

I can agree about teachers dealing with children or teenagers, but a lot of this stuff goes to the wayside with college professors. They have a lot more leeway on what stuff beyond teaching they have to deal with, and many of them have assistants that help them with a portion of the work.

One of my college professors dumped a classes (like 18 people) work of projects (8) and homework (8) on him on this past saturday, and started bugging him sunday night about when it was done.

That motherfucker managed to get it done at, like, 2pm monday.

Professors TAs keep universities alive.

Monopoman posted...

Social Worker
Mental Health Professional
Handling any crime
Dealing with all vehicle violations
Community Manager

I mean, departments do have dedicated traffic units. So maybe if funding was properly allocated or re-allocated then law enforcement could have dedicated assets for the other things you listed. Its not like you dont call 911 for those things anyway, they could make a determination and dispatch the appropriate response

Cacciato posted...

I mean, departments do have dedicated traffic units. So maybe if funding was properly allocated or re-allocated then law enforcement could have dedicated assets for the other things you listed. Its not like you dont call 911 for those things anyway, they could make a determination and dispatch the appropriate response

Pretty much. This is the central thrust of the idea of defunding the police: Rather than responding to social problems by buying the police bigger hammers to solve problems that aren't actually nails, reallocate that funding to hire professionals that are actually trained to deal with the crisis at hand and dispatch them instead. Heck, that already happens with some vehicle violations: many cities contract out parking enforcement and other relatively minor vehicle-related issues so police can focus on what they're trained and equipped to do.

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Far-Queue posted...

Inb4 some smoothbrained shithead says he shouldn't have resisted. Doesn't justify killing an unarmed man.

...they literally weren't trying to kill him. The idea that they were is about as smoothbrained as one can have.

And generally speaking, when people are restrained, they're restrained on the ground. How else are you going to restrain them? And if you aren't restraining people, who are you subduing unruly suspects? By using a taser? Because even if they pull their taser instead of their gun (which has been an issue multiple times already), tasers aren't exactly safe either and can result in deaths.

Far-Queue posted...

I know a lot of nurses who deal with combative drunk and drugged out patients all the time, yet somehow manage not to kill them.

And a lot of cops manage to deal with combative drunk and drugged out suspects without killing them (and far more times a day than nurses have to). In fact, this cop probably used the same technique many times in the past to safely subdue suspects. The fact that nobody died doesn't mean that subduing a violent individual doesn't have risk (or that the technique is even safe), it just means that the worst didn't happen that time. Not to mention that hospitals deal with far fewer unruly individuals than cops and, when a hospital does wind up killing somebody, it doesn't get the same attention that cops do

Not to mention that hospitals are controlled environments and have sedatives, whereas cops are trying to operate in a wide variety of completely uncontrolled environments.

Zikten posted...

I have to wonder if cops would change if there is a series of Derek Chauvin type convictions

It might convince them to not confront suspects and to just let those suspects do whatever they're going to do? It's kind of like how some cities are talking about banning police foot chases for many low-level crimes. Once suspects realize that all they have to do is run, every suspect is going to run.


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Zeus posted...

And a lot of cops manage to deal with combative drunk and drugged out suspects without killing them (and far more times a day than nurses have to). In fact, this cop probably used the same technique many times in the past to safely subdue suspects. The fact that nobody died doesn't mean that subduing a violent individual doesn't have risk (or that the technique is even safe), it just means that the worst didn't happen that time. Not to mention that hospitals deal with far fewer unruly individuals than cops and, when a hospital does wind up killing somebody, it doesn't get the same attention that cops do

You alluded to an awful lot of quantitative data in this paragraph for somebody who provided no quantitative data to support it.

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adjl posted...

You alluded to an awful lot of quantitative data in this paragraph for somebody who provided no quantitative data to support it.

He might be right on the cops dealing with more drunks than nurses but that would be it.
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