Board 8 > FFXIV Topic Part 4 -- In Estinien We Trust

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Just a few more left!

My FC discord has a cool bot called Ser Aymeric that can make a cool little card sort of like that for your character to show off your levels and stuff. It's pretty neat.



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Rogue was very noticeably better than every other 2.0 jobquest thus far. Honestly better than even, like, Dancer, maybe even Red Mage. I would not be upset if I got to see more of that.

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Good to see that the game is somewhat popular around here!


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Just had my first dungeon healing, Satasha obvs, with a disoriented tank who I assume had forgotten it, and a Lancer I assume was trolling by pulling mobs by himself and only spamming his ranged attack (I assume? It looked like a ranged attack, haven't played Lancer yet) for almost the entire dungeon.

But we made it with nobody dying!

I will definitely save Healer for last to get to 80 because I feel like I may need to do an entire hud change for it. The first time I've felt that a controller may not be the way to go.

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Just to make sure I'm not missing anything for the future, there's no way to enter an AI party dungeon between levels 60 and 70 without synching down, right?

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Just had my first dungeon healing, Satasha obvs, with a disoriented tank who I assume had forgotten it, and a Lancer I assume was trolling by pulling mobs by himself and only spamming his ranged attack (I assume? It looked like a ranged attack, haven't played Lancer yet) for almost the entire dungeon.

Speaking as a dragoon, at Sastasha level thats the only attack that can hit multiple targets.

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Wait, that's an AOE attack?

I guess I just thought that ranged splash damage wouldn't look like a dude just tossing a spear at someone's head, lol.

Classes left to unlock: Bard (Archer 28, just need to do Manor 1 time withnthenresr bonus I'll have by after work tonight and quest clean up.), Warrior, Mono, Dragoon. Saving Dragoon for last simply because my roomate is playing it.

From an actual quest objective standpoint, Archer job quests have definitely been the worst so far. Feels like a parody of MMO quest objectives. Plus they require more kills for all their hunting log than anyone else for some reason. Plus with 1 more quest left I feel like this is gonna end with "it's OK that this elezen was a racist".


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it's not an aoe attack, he was using piercing talon with is the newest move you get before sastasha (if you go in right at 15)

he really shouldn't have been using it
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MikeTavish posted...

My FC discord has a cool bot called Ser Aymeric that can make a cool little card sort of like that for your character to show off your levels and stuff. It's pretty neat.

Wow I wish MY FC Discord had something cool like that...

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Finished the Alexander story and soloed the first four turns of Binding Coil. Definitely not able to solo turn 5 at my current level though.

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maybe you should have instituted it when you ran the fc
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Wait a minute.

Where the fuck is there a trial fight against Galvus? How could I have missed something like that?

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My FC Discord was using Aymeric until a while ago. Stopped working cause it was asking for some sus permissions.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Wait a minute.

Where the fuck is there a trial fight against Galvus? How could I have missed something like that?

Start the Bozja storyline. You unlock it through that.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Where the fuck is there a trial fight against Galvus? How could I have missed something like that?

This is an odd one - theres no normal duty finder version of that trial; theres an equivalent solo duty that acts as the normal version. Its found in the shadowbringers relic weapon questline.
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X_Dante_X posted...

maybe you should have instituted it when you ran the fc

Too busying building up the FC with my bare hands to do that

I have White Mage up to 70 now. Turns out I quite like healing! The adage of healers being "DPS but sometimes they cast cure on someone" is not TOO far from the truth (in normal content), just replace cure with regens

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Rogue was very noticeably better than every other 2.0 jobquest thus far. Honestly better than even, like, Dancer, maybe even Red Mage. I would not be upset if I got to see more of that.

Rogue wasn't a 2.0 job. It was actually the only job ever added between expansions. There was a story cutscene where Thancred is fighting alongside Yugiri and it goes like:

Yugiri: Sick moves, bro.
Thancred: Thanks! If anyone wants to have sick moves like mine, they should check up that [ROGUE'S GUILD] conveniently located in downtown Limsa.

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Oh so they added that in with the Leviathan patch? Wild.

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Bruh did I fuck up the order in which I decided to finish off these job unlocks.

I'm bustin' up rocks.

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Lol i never realized they were memeing in the video. I had noticed the Manderville and the Ball Dance. But not this.

https://youtu.be/Cn7hxvF3xUY

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Also went to check the behind the scenes and learned it's fucking Koji. What a troll

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Bruh did I fuck up the order in which I decided to finish off these job unlocks.

I'm bustin' up rocks.

The Marauder/Warrior job quests are silly, clean fun.

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BK_Sheikah00 posted...

Also went to check the behind the scenes and learned it's fucking Koji. What a troll

Yeah, I'm still impressed Soken has the capacity to play guitar and sing in the Primals too whilst also being lead composer of the entire game.

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My IL sucks. :(



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Pugilist job quests were fun!

All that's left to unlock is Lancer. I never want to see these low level dungeons ever again. Thank God I'll ACTUALLY never have to run Adamantoise Tears again....unless Blue Mage needs it whenever I do that.

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Static hit lions in E12S last night. We're getting there!

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New interview with Yoshi-P: https://www.famitsu.com/news/202103/30216750.html

Some highlights I've seen floating around:

An important character to Endwalker will show up in 5.5. Unsure if they mean a new character or a current character who will gain new importance in Endwalker.

Final raid of the Nier series will be a little wilder on mechanics, since they were holding back for the 'finale.'

Some items from the previous two nier raids will be available more easily. (Unsure if they mean upping drop rates or they drop in the new raid with a higher drop rate, but either way I imagine they're talking about the 2b glam stuff specifically)

The weapons will have a 'Nier' feeling. (Probably mean some iconic weapons from the Nier series, like Kaine's sawblade, will be available)

The only real job changes in 5.5 will be numerical. Specifically they think a few melee DPS were having too many 'difficulties. (Which reads to me like maybe raising the minimum damage and lowering the reward for the positional on some positional abilities, but that's just me.) Bigger job changes will be saved for 6.0. No classes will be nerfed in 5.5.

"We're changing the system for duels in 5.5. If you don't get picked for a duel, it will be taken into account and you'll have higher chances of participating in the next duel that's held."

They joke a bit about Zenos picking up a new weapon, Yoshida says that if you look at his scenes in Shadowbringers in order you might get an idea of the role he'll play in Endwalker. Unsure if he means hints about a new weapon or just general character development stuff.

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I just saw MrHappy's video on this. He seemed pretty confident that the new mechanics they're talking about for the Nier rade will having to go through all 3 raids again on New Game+ with changes to all of them.

I've never used the NG+ feature so not exactly sure what that would entail.

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Duels are a terrible mechanic. Having to spend hours and hours hoping to get lucky and get in (and then very likely quickly dying because there's no way to practice ahead of time) is just a completely nonsensical way to have to qualify for what otherwise could have been some cool solo content.

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Uhhhh wait

Do I actually need to go through Dragoon?

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

guess what, the msq story dialogue changes if you do these quests before heavensward

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chiming in to confirm what everyone has already mentioned- the storytelling and direction is waay better in heavensward. i mostly stopped wanting to skip cutscenes right about when hraesvelgr appeared

i'm enjoying the ultra casual 'normal' dungeons/raids/scenarios, too. very glad i took the plunge

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My opinions on the starting jobs in regards to how they would feel for a new player. This is completely ignoring the upgraded job and is strictly in regards to that road to 30 when starting from scratch.

Gladiator and Maruader - both basically going to feel the same at this point. Gladiator doing less damage is balanced a bit in later feel by have a more versatile AOE for those early dungeons where you're more likely to be surrounded as a tank thank have a bunch if enemies in a row. Job quest is mediocre for both. Overall I feel like both of these are totally decent to play as, and with how easy early dungeons are even you will feel pretty decent about Tanking after just Satasha.

Conjuror - Garbage. Feels bad to play, healing is waaaaay more stressful than tanking as far as first introductions go, and the job quests are some fo the worst. I know WHM has way more going on, but I don't think it's controversial to say that starting as a Conjurist is the worst introduction you can have to this game.

Archer - Only DPS that felt like absolute butt all the way through. Nothing about this felt good to me at all. As the only ranged physical DPS you can start as, I think this is just an issue with how this role feels without a real kit. The AOE is the only thing that I enjoyed and even that has the odd issue that it's hard to tell your....actual area of effect. Bad job quest.

Lancer - an odd one for sure, because it's one of the worst for the first 15 or so levels, then once you get Disembowl it starts going uphill fast. Very active in the 20s and felt good to play, but boy was the road there a slog. No AOE is a problem IMO. Bad job quest.

Thamaturge - pretty decent job quest (better than the actual ARR Black Mage at least lol), feels very active even without the movement thanks to the early job gauge, easy to grasp and feels good to get in the rhythm. Starting as a THM probably helped a lot on my drive to keep at it when I first started out.

Arcanist - Pretty dull. Definitely no comparison to THM, honestly the Carbuncle itself throughout these levels feels like an afterthought, and is practically irrelevant to the job quest itself, which is onky kind of decent, but also a little...wierd. Better than Conjuror at least, but not by much.

Pugilist - Good shit! Job quest is great, immediately active as the only started class with positionals, gives you a stance to play with, multiple straightforward combo strings, just a real fun time. Would probably say this is the best introduction class for the game in regards to DPS.

Rogue - I actually don't think this counts. Asking someone just starting out to restart at level 1 after reaching level 10 (or even way higher than that if you didn't start in Limsa) is a very different ask for an actual new player than me going back and leveling. I can do it in half an hour with the available tools, for an actual newbie that could be a full day's play session. Still, this gets a looot of props for the job quest, definitely the best of these. The actual melee DPS kit is totally serviceable, though I still couldn't get a hold of make the trick attack work in a dungeon. No AoE is a problem here, too.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Rogue - I actually don't think this counts. Asking someone just starting out to restart at level 1 after reaching level 10 (or even way higher than that if you didn't start in Limsa) is a very different ask for an actual new player than me going back and leveling

This is exactly what I did. I started with the full intention of going Rogue though. Picked Marauder so I could start in Limsa, then picked up Rogue and made the switch the second I could.

Also Trick Attack only really functions the way it should at Level 50. Rogue/Ninja has a weird skill progression.

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Yeah as long as they know what they're in for, by all means. Not everyone would be willing to halt MSQ progression like that.

It starts getting wonkier when you factor in advanced jobs. You look at something like Arcanist which is pretty shitty but unlocks two distinct jobs in two different roles that open up a while different type of play. Hell, Scholar straight up ditches your whole Arcanist kit other than Ruin and one of the dots. Compare to the far superior THM, which after becoming a BLM...is honestly doing the exact same shit throughout the entirety of ARR, lol. Barely feels like you changed jobs except the quest got worse!

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GANON1025 posted...

"We're changing the system for duels in 5.5. If you don't get picked for a duel, it will be taken into account and you'll have higher chances of participating in the next duel that's held."

I have yet to be picked for a duel. =/

GANON1025 posted...

The only real job changes in 5.5 will be numerical. Specifically they think a few melee DPS were having too many 'difficulties. (Which reads to me like maybe raising the minimum damage and lowering the reward for the positional on some positional abilities, but that's just me.) Bigger job changes will be saved for 6.0. No classes will be nerfed in 5.5.

Come on DRG buffs!!

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I'm not sure if this is even a problem the devs care about but the leveling experience is pretty laughable for a lot of jobs that just...don't really function properly for a very long time.

Also what melee jobs were struggling and why this tier? They all seem roughly even to me. Actually I do see Dragoon is slightly dipping and I can understand that with how garbage the timings are for 2 and 3 minute raid buffs are this tier, and DRG has both. cries in ranged dps

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The raid fight design for this entire expansion has completely fucked over DRG in pretty much every way, and now that MNK got their job change, DRG is the only melee that loses resources for long cutscenes/downtime. This tier has been really bad for positionals too, which is also something that hurts DRG dps more than the other jobs, relatively. True north is basically an on-cooldown in some spots. All of this, plus the fact that DRG has the lowest dps with full uptime is why I think DRG needs buffs.

Some of these issues can be accounted for with better boss design, but there will always be jobs that suffer depending on timings of mechanics. However, when a boss creates a deathzone where if a job literally can't use their OGCDs (E6S in particular comes to mind), then there's an actual issue.

I think they might also be the most sensitive melee to OGCD drifting, but I don't have much experience with MNK.

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Making my way through Shadowbringers, anyone else hear the 'Turtles in a half shell' tune in the Quest Accepted jingle or just me?

Speaking of, for off arena bosses like Hades, are melee DPS just never getting their positional unless True North is active?

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Speaking of, for off arena bosses like Hades, are melee DPS just never getting their positional unless True North is active?

Incorrect! Bosses like (that,) Cloud of Darkness from Crystal Tower and the like will automatically allow for positionals to hit as if from the optimal spot.

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Oh, so it's the exact opposite and Melee DPS are at a huge advantage for those fights. Neat! Should level one of those after I get my tank and healer to 80, since IIRC they are going to be splitting ranged and physical DPS job quests for Endwalker.

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Apparently I had never done Sunken Teple of Qarn. I think I was lagging too hard when I first unlocked it and had to quit out.

I was not missing much <_<

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I thought you were forced to do it in the ARR patch quests?

Unless that was removed in the streamlining

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I assume it must be an optional dungeon.

The cutscenes all played so I know for sure I never did it.

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It was originally an optional dungeon when you are first in its level range but the post-ARR patches made it required for the story (one of the 2.1-2.3 patches, dunno which off hand).

He's saying they might have removed that when they redid the pacing of ARR though. Which I also don't know, but is the only explanation for how you could have skipped it so might be true.

Looking at the green checks, I have also yet to do Andapor Keep, Copperbell Hard, Hatali Hard, Wanderer's Palace Hard, or the Lost City of Andapor.

I'd rather avoid tanking Dungeons I've never even seen, so may just boot up Samurai for the first actual time to try those all out. Patch dungeons aren't good for EXP anyways, right?

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Yeah they're not really good for that.

https://twitter.com/FF_XIV_EN/status/1377637480409653250?s=19

...but I don't wanna wake up at 7 AM :/

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