Poll of the Day > Why do people think Jordan Peterson is a right wing extremist?

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CarefreeDude
03/03/21 8:33:08 PM
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He seems very centrist to me

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joemodda
03/03/21 8:36:52 PM
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Everything is right-wing extremism these days

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Clench281
03/03/21 8:37:49 PM
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He's certainly right of center, but not far right. Neither extremist nor centrist.

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Blightzkrieg
03/03/21 8:39:02 PM
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Because of his audience

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Judgmenl
03/03/21 8:39:30 PM
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I don't know if he personally is a right wing extremist, but his daughter sure is, and his daughter seems to have a huge impact on his life. Pretty toxic if you ask me.

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Zeus
03/03/21 8:40:41 PM
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Because he apparently has the gall to question far-leftist propaganda and point out incongruities with their beliefs. Granted, I only know a limited amount about him, and mostly just shit from either CE or PotD that either supports him or tries to knock him so badly that it supports him. This includes when people were getting in a huff when he pointed out the hypocrisy of Twitter banning Trump while not just allowing anti-Semitic leaders to keep their accounts but not deleting their posts promoting genocide, things that are very clearly against not Twitter's TOS but pretty much any TOS out there.

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OhhhJa
03/03/21 8:43:52 PM
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Because if you're not far left, you're far right
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PunishedOni
03/03/21 8:45:12 PM
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idk isnt he obsessed with the bible or something. lot of pretty crazy stuff in there

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Smarkil
03/03/21 8:57:06 PM
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i think its his weird accent

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Kanatteru
03/03/21 9:00:23 PM
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Smarkil posted...
i think its his weird accent

he has an accent?

wait, is that how i sound?

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Monopoman
03/03/21 9:01:39 PM
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I mean keep in mind he is Canadian and there a good chunk of the Democrats here would be considered right wing.
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Blightzkrieg
03/03/21 9:02:10 PM
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OhhhJa
03/03/21 9:04:51 PM
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PunishedOni posted...
idk isnt he obsessed with the bible or something. lot of pretty crazy stuff in there
He's basically an atheist christian lol. Like I'm pretty sure he's admitted he doesn't actually believe in god but thinks Christianity is a good moral framework for living in society or something of that nature
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Judgmenl
03/03/21 9:08:29 PM
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Monopoman posted...
I mean keep in mind he is Canadian and there a good chunk of the Democrats here would be considered right wing.
Yea but he's from Alberta which is basically The Texas of Canada.

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Mead
03/03/21 9:11:57 PM
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I dont even know which one he is

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PunishedOni
03/03/21 10:45:27 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
He's basically an atheist christian lol. Like I'm pretty sure he's admitted he doesn't actually believe in god but thinks Christianity is a good moral framework for living in society or something of that nature
oh is he like one of those angry atheist guys. all i know about him is that he has like 100 youtube videos about the bible that the search engine recommends to me

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ReturnOfFa
03/03/21 11:02:59 PM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Because of his audience
Yup. I don't think he himself is far far right, although he is definitely quite right-wing. But his extremely vague ideas and occasional extremely bizarre tangents often can be easy fodder for a far-right audience. To homies like Zeus who think that can't be the case, there's a lot of good material in this video. Also strangely anti-semetic things; odd coming from someone so hung up on the inherent value of Judeo-Christian tradition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A2UC1YQxy4

OhhhJa posted...
He's basically an atheist christian lol. Like I'm pretty sure he's admitted he doesn't actually believe in god but thinks Christianity is a good moral framework for living in society or something of that nature
Nah, that is addressed in the video above too. 22:05 for that bit.

Also, here is a hilarious Jordan Peterson impression:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BDgQMGs7Mc

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ReturnOfFa
03/03/21 11:03:41 PM
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It's hilarious watching a guy that rails against academics being a fucking academic.

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ReturnOfFa
03/03/21 11:10:27 PM
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Also there's enough stuff that Jordo says that it really seems like he thinks women are chaos dragons!!!!

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Lokarin
03/03/21 11:17:59 PM
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CarefreeDude posted...
He seems very centrist to me

He's religious, so is right wing extremist by default :n

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ReturnOfFa
03/03/21 11:20:41 PM
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a rich man cries over the death of the individual:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvBm0ZUfe7I

and an edit!

https://youtu.be/Wc34pU5Qch8

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JigsawTDC
03/03/21 11:22:31 PM
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Jordan Peterson is a mixed bag. Some of his work offers some legitimate value, but you've got to be able to filter a lot of craziness out to get to it. Also, he is put on a pedestal and often given a platform to espouse his views on things that are wildly outside his realm of expertise. That's the main reason he's become dangerous. Like, people who follow the advice and values his book provides may legitimately see an improvement in some aspects of their lives, then they'll attach part of their ego and identity to his, and then suddenly everything he says is gospel. It's a cult of personality for fragile men.

Personally, I think all the benefits you can find in his work can be found elsewhere, and without all the wackiness attached. Basically all of his good ideas are just derived from Jung. For some reason JP gets attached to stoicism a lot despite being an anti-stoic as far as I'm concerned, so I like to recommend actual stoic philosophy to people who have found value in his work. It helps them to start untwisting the good from the bad.
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Monopoman
03/04/21 12:02:48 AM
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JigsawTDC posted...
Jordan Peterson is a mixed bag. Some of his work offers some legitimate value, but you've got to be able to filter a lot of craziness out to get to it. Also, he is put on a pedestal and often given a platform to espouse his views on things that are wildly outside his realm of expertise. That's the main reason he's become dangerous. Like, people who follow the advice and values his book provides may legitimately see an improvement in some aspects of their lives, then they'll attach part of their ego and identity to his, and then suddenly everything he says is gospel. It's a cult of personality for fragile men.

Personally, I think all the benefits you can find in his work can be found elsewhere, and without all the wackiness attached. Basically all of his good ideas are just derived from Jung. For some reason JP gets attached to stoicism a lot despite being an anti-stoic as far as I'm concerned, so I like to recommend actual stoic philosophy to people who have found value in his work. It helps them to start untwisting the good from the bad.

That shit happens with other people I saw a news broadcast where they asked Dr. Phil about Covid, back when Covid was just showing up in America. I was stunned that they were taking the time to ask a psychologist about a virus. Yeah, let me go ask a grocery worker for a professional opinion about some potential car problem. Dr. Phil's opinion about Covid is worth about as much as my uncle's or something.
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JoanOfArcade
03/04/21 12:51:24 AM
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Get Out was a good movie

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IronBornCorps
03/04/21 1:00:57 AM
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I think it's more he got really popular with his book, and became popular with the Alt-right. Then he said a few sexist remarks, and it he really just spiraled down from there. Is he even still alive? I know he had serious health issues after his "All Meat" diet or something.
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Raddest_Chad
03/04/21 1:34:05 AM
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I am not super well versed in his views beyond he thinks political correctness is ruining everything, and on that point I definitely agree.
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FatalAccident
03/04/21 1:42:01 AM
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Blightzkrieg posted...
Because of his audience
This is the only right answer in this topic.

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LuciferSage
03/04/21 1:44:50 AM
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Evil bad daddy man said to clean my room.

I need a safe space now.

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ReturnOfFa
03/04/21 1:56:26 AM
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IronBornCorps posted...
I think it's more he got really popular with his book, and became popular with the Alt-right. Then he said a few sexist remarks, and he made some more regarding feminism. It he really just spiraled down from there. Is he even still alive? I know he had serious health issues after his "All Meat" diet or something.
He gained a lot of his huge popularity before both of those when he opposed the Canadian Bill C-16. He got a lot of international media coverage at that point, and it all kind of built up to the 12 Rules For Life book.

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ReturnOfFa
03/04/21 1:59:16 AM
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14:08 of the long video I posted is also hilarious and weird.

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Monopoman
03/04/21 2:28:38 AM
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Raddest_Chad posted...
I am not super well versed in his views beyond he thinks political correctness is ruining everything, and on that point I definitely agree.

I mean the problem is political correctness is being applied to broadly. The entire concept of it isn't bad but it's how it's being used now and how often.

Like anything too much is a bad thing, drinking water is good for you but if you down 3+ gallons you might have problems. Similar thing here...
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Zareth
03/04/21 2:29:25 AM
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He definitely cultivates the "enlightened centrist" demographic.

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Smarkil
03/04/21 2:47:20 AM
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Kanatteru posted...
he has an accent?

wait, is that how i sound?

probably but he also has a weird sing songy affectation to it so i have a feeling you dont have that

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ZayKayWill
03/04/21 2:52:14 AM
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Not gonna lie I like Jordan Peterson a lot, but this quote scared the fuck out of me.

https://clyp.it/z1kjixdv

This is apparently from his book Maps of Meaning...

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deoxxys
03/04/21 4:18:50 AM
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ZayKayWill posted...
Not gonna lie I like Jordan Peterson a lot, but this quote scared the fuck out of me.

https://clyp.it/z1kjixdv

This is apparently from his book Maps of Meaning...
my god im dead


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JoanOfArcade
03/04/21 4:32:59 AM
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ZayKayWill posted...
Not gonna lie I like Jordan Peterson a lot, but this quote scared the fuck out of me.

https://clyp.it/z1kjixdv

This is apparently from his book Maps of Meaning...
What the fucking fuck is that

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Lokarin
03/04/21 4:41:08 AM
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JoanOfArcade posted...
What the fucking fuck is that

I have no idea 'cuz idk how to internet... what's he saying?

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JigsawTDC
03/04/21 4:49:29 AM
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There's some more crazy excerpts from Maps of Meaning in the video fa provided. I just finished watching it. It's a pretty solid summary.
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FatalAccident
03/04/21 4:59:06 AM
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JigsawTDC posted...
There's some more crazy excerpts from Maps of Meaning in the video fa provided. I just finished watching it. It's a pretty solid summary.
Is that really him in the audio clip?

sounds to me like something that would have been deep faked to make him sound like a nutcase lol

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ZayKayWill
03/04/21 5:20:13 AM
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FatalAccident posted...
Is that really him in the audio clip?

sounds to me like something that would have been deep faked to make him sound like a nutcase lol

I was thinking the same thing honestly but apparently he voices his own audiobooks....tbh I hope you're right.

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kind9
03/04/21 5:42:45 AM
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He got famous for being outspoken against C-16, a law that he totally misinterpreted or misrepresented as being about "compelled speech". I view him as just another pseudo-intellectual Christian conservative who doesn't like change. I'm actually surprised he's not a postmodernist. I wouldn't call him an extremist.

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Funcoland
03/04/21 5:47:58 AM
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He's not really far-right himself. Definitely right-wing though and the sort of stuff he speaks about is often some people's gateway to extremism. Since he talks a lot abut "Western values and civilization", that resonates with some people, they seek out similar stuff... And well, go deep down the rabbit hole and usually end up listening to actual far-right people And by that time, they are already deeply invested in "protecting the West" they don't really notice the super uncomfortable things other people say.


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kukukupo
03/04/21 9:06:54 AM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
It's hilarious watching a guy that rails against academics being a fucking academic.

There are a lot of terrible 'academics' in subject areas that aren't 'real'. (The only career path for the subject area is to teach the subject area)
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IronBornCorps
03/04/21 10:50:20 AM
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ReturnOfFa
03/04/21 12:52:08 PM
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Funcoland posted...
He's not really far-right himself. Definitely right-wing though and the sort of stuff he speaks about is often some people's gateway to extremism. Since he talks a lot abut "Western values and civilization", that resonates with some people, they seek out similar stuff... And well, go deep down the rabbit hole and usually end up listening to actual far-right people And by that time, they are already deeply invested in "protecting the West" they don't really notice the super uncomfortable things other people say.
This is one of the few bits that he is so hyper-focused on that could lead me to label him as more extreme. I don't know, such a bizarre focus on "The West" and an apparent loss of this connection to its teachings seems like right-wing extremist dogma. Or at least it's getting quite close.

Also, I've posted by far the most here XD. I'm not obsessed, honest! OK, I am...

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ZayKayWill
03/04/21 1:16:26 PM
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ReturnOfFa posted...
This is one of the few bits that he is so hyper-focused on that could lead me to label him as more extreme. I don't know, such a bizarre focus on "The West" and an apparent loss of this connection to its teachings seems like right-wing extremist dogma. Or at least it's getting quite close.

Also, I've posted by far the most here XD. I'm not obsessed, honest! OK, I am...

Does it annoy you when people call him a transphobe or homophobe? I mean I can kinda see why people would get that impression but it seems pretty clear to me that he isn't any of those things.

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IronBornCorps
03/04/21 1:20:22 PM
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He has certainly said transphobic statements, and to my knowledge has not changed his views.
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CarefreeDude
03/04/21 1:46:30 PM
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ZayKayWill posted...
Not gonna lie I like Jordan Peterson a lot, but this quote scared the fuck out of me.

https://clyp.it/z1kjixdv

This is apparently from his book Maps of Meaning...


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JigsawTDC
03/04/21 2:01:41 PM
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FatalAccident posted...
Is that really him in the audio clip?

sounds to me like something that would have been deep faked to make him sound like a nutcase lol

Idk. In terms of his books I've only read 12 Rules for Life (skippable) and have no desire to read Maps of Meaning, but based on everything I know of his views and work I really wouldn't be surprised if that is actually him.
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