Poll of the Day > Gina Carano fired from The Mandalorian over transphobic/anti non-binary remarks

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Jornavyr
02/15/21 5:15:12 AM
#202:


Sarcasthma posted...
So you did learn something!

I'm glad we were able to help you learn.
Lmfao, ok buddy. I suppose you should feel glad. You helped prove my point. Speech clearly isn't free. I had an opinion, and it cost me.

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Sarcasthma
02/15/21 5:16:14 AM
#203:


How about I get you a nice, cold Foster's and we call it even?

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Jornavyr
02/15/21 5:17:40 AM
#204:


Sarcasthma posted...
How about I get you a nice, cold Foster's and we call it even?
Ewww. Fosters is for tourists.

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Sarcasthma
02/15/21 5:20:03 AM
#205:


Then how about a nice, warm brown-eyed mullet?

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Far-Queue
02/15/21 5:28:25 AM
#206:


Why do morons keep comparing Carano's situation to Gunn's?

Gunn made shitty jokes.

A lot easier to apologize and move past a joke than it is to move past open bigotry and ignorance.

Qaranon could've played the joke card with the pronouns gaffe, but can't play the joke card after she kept doubling and tripling down on her stupidity

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Jornavyr
02/15/21 5:55:24 AM
#207:


Far-Queue posted...
Why do morons keep comparing Carano's situation to Gunn's?

Gunn made shitty jokes.

A lot easier to apologize and move past a joke than it is to move past open bigotry and ignorance.

Qaranon could've played the joke card with the pronouns gaffe, but can't play the joke card after she kept doubling and tripling down on her stupidity
I'm not sure that Carano ever played the joke card though. Also not sure that anyone played it on her behalf either.

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Jornavyr
02/15/21 5:56:25 AM
#208:


Sarcasthma posted...
Then how about a nice, warm brown-eyed mullet?
You can keep that shit to yourself, along with the Fosters.

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Sarcasthma
02/15/21 6:05:41 AM
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Foster's is Australian for beer, mate.

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Mead
02/15/21 10:39:37 AM
#210:


Jornavyr posted...
Down with James Gunn, Am I right?

Nope, looking forward to Suicide Squad and Guardians 3. Its almost like the internet isnt actually full of the sjws that youre so obsessed with.

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kind9
02/15/21 10:45:26 AM
#211:


Jornavyr posted...
Speech clearly isn't free. I had an opinion, and it cost me.
Do you think free speech means free from all consequences? All it means is that you can't be criminally charged for speech. If you want free speech to be something other than what it is then call it something else. Maybe start a group called Free Speech Plus and you can make vagina hats and complain about the liberal agenda.

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Jornavyr
02/15/21 3:00:05 PM
#212:


Sarcasthma posted...
Foster's is Australian for beer, mate.
Mate, no respectable Aussie drinks Fosters. Most bottle shops don't even stock it tbh. Little bit of useless Aussie trivia.

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Jornavyr
02/15/21 3:02:01 PM
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kind9 posted...
Do you think free speech means free from all consequences? All it means is that you can't be criminally charged for speech. If you want free speech to be something other than what it is then call it something else. Maybe start a group called Free Speech Plus and you can make vagina hats and complain about the liberal agenda.
I think your definition of free speech is wrong. What I would name your definition, is greatly restricted speech. It couldn't possibly be anything else man. Free speech means that the speech is free, and that you are free to speak the speech. But we aren't, and that's just a fact.

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Mead
02/15/21 3:03:48 PM
#214:


Jornavyr posted...
Free speech means that the speech is free, and that you are free to speak the speech.

That literally isnt the definition of free speech anywhere in the world and it never has been. When you say something, other people can react to it.

Even most children understand this.

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VeeVees
02/15/21 3:17:25 PM
#215:


Jornavyr posted...
I think your definition of free speech is wrong. What I would name your definition, is greatly restricted speech. It couldn't possibly be anything else man. Free speech means that the speech is free, and that you are free to speak the speech. But we aren't, and that's just a fact.

You are free to say it and other people can also say what they think about your shit freely. Seems pretty free.

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Far-Queue
02/15/21 3:18:00 PM
#216:


Mead posted...
Even most children understand this.
To be fair, most children are reasonably intelligent, and don't make dumbass statements outlining how they don't understand free speech

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GrabASnickers
02/15/21 3:36:04 PM
#217:


You guys don't even know about beer in Australia. Please stay in your lane, meanwhile can you listen to me rant in circles about the free speech laws of a country you live in and I don't
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Philip027
02/15/21 3:41:12 PM
#218:


Jornavyr posted...
Lmfao, ok buddy. I suppose you should feel glad. You helped prove my point. Speech clearly isn't free. I had an opinion, and it cost me.

Speaking of people who really should read that xkcd comic...
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Jornavyr
02/15/21 3:46:01 PM
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I've never said that people shouldn't be able to react to speech though. You guys are willfully misrepresenting my argument. I'm saying, that you shouldn't be punished for the things that you say. If you don't like what someone is saying, then you're not being forced to listen. You can criticize the speech if you want. I never said that you couldn't. I'm also stating how I think free speech should be interpreted lol. I fully understand that it isn't interpreted as such though. Thats why the world needs free speech advocates like myself. So that the speech can be free lads. It's cool that you like the restrictions on speech. I respect it. I just don't like it, and I want things to change. That's all. It's just a difference in principles.

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VeeVees
02/15/21 3:52:14 PM
#220:


How dense are you? The criticisms will inevitably lead to actions. Disney is in the entertainment business where they require people to like them. If a member is not liked then they have just lost their value to the company.

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Mead
02/15/21 3:54:31 PM
#221:


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I'm saying, that you shouldn't be punished for the things that you say.

Well if you say stuff to a bunch of people, and it pisses a lot of them off, theyre gonna try to punish you. Thats cause and effect my dude. Nobody has the right to piss off tons of people and be immune to any consequences. That isnt free speech by any definition.

Jornavyr posted...
Thats why the world needs free speech advocates like myself.

You need to find something else to call yourself because that literally isnt what free speech means, not by any definition of the term. It sucks that no one ever took the time to teach you that but at least now you know and can stop making yourself seem ridiculous.

The stuff you do in life has consequences. Nothing is going to change that.

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Far-Queue
02/15/21 4:04:44 PM
#222:


Jornavyr posted...
I'm saying, that you shouldn't be punished for the things that you say.
So if I were to go around to your family, your place of work, your social and societal circles, etc and tell everyone you know that you raped me and forced me pee in your mouth, I should be allowed to do that without consequence? I can take out a full page ad in your local paper, a 30-second spot in your local primetime television/radio/etc alleging the above? With no consequences to me whatsoever?

ATTN mods I'm making no assertions or assumptions here just making a point

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FrndNhbrHdCEman
02/15/21 5:44:49 PM
#223:


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The mental picture this painted had my coffee come out my nose.

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DANTE20XX
02/15/21 10:25:22 PM
#224:


VeeVees posted...
If a member is not liked then they have just lost their value to the company.
What defines being liked exactly? Anyone who wasn't on twitter whining about it probably had no idea she did or said anything. Its so easy to get those kinda people upset. They spend their entire time on that website being mad about something.

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Jornavyr
02/16/21 12:08:36 AM
#225:


VeeVees posted...
How dense are you? The criticisms will inevitably lead to actions. Disney is in the entertainment business where they require people to like them. If a member is not liked then they have just lost their value to the company.
Not as dense as you buddy. Pretty sure I'm talking about myself now, and not Disney lol. But you tried.

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Jornavyr
02/16/21 12:09:33 AM
#226:


Mead posted...
Well if you say stuff to a bunch of people, and it pisses a lot of them off, theyre gonna try to punish you. Thats cause and effect my dude. Nobody has the right to piss off tons of people and be immune to any consequences. That isnt free speech by any definition.

You need to find something else to call yourself because that literally isnt what free speech means, not by any definition of the term. It sucks that no one ever took the time to teach you that but at least now you know and can stop making yourself seem ridiculous.

The stuff you do in life has consequences. Nothing is going to change that.
Sorry man, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Free speech means that the speech is free, and has no conditions.

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Mead
02/16/21 12:11:51 AM
#227:


Jornavyr posted...
Sorry man, I'm going to have to disagree with you. Free speech means that the speech is free, and has no conditions.

It literally and definitively does not mean that. This is borderline flat-earther territory my dude.

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Jornavyr
02/16/21 12:12:36 AM
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And sure Far, you can do what you like. I'll just choose to ignore you. Take out your ad. Go on the radio. When people ask me about what you said, I'll just say that I don't even know who you are. Pretty simple, isn't it?

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Jornavyr
02/16/21 12:13:36 AM
#229:


Mead posted...
It literally and definitively does not mean that. This is borderline flat-earther territory my dude.
Lol. I already said that i know that it doesn't, but that I feel that it should. Holy shit, it would be paradoxical for me to advocate for something that I already had

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Jornavyr
02/16/21 12:15:57 AM
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It is pretty funny how excited you totalitarians get at the prospect of punishment, and stifling freedom. It is very telling.

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keyblader1985
02/16/21 12:52:22 AM
#231:


How do y'all just let yourselves get trolled like this all the time?

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Mead
02/16/21 1:24:35 AM
#232:


keyblader1985 posted...
How do y'all just let yourselves get trolled like this all the time?

we have a particular set of skills

or lack there of

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WhiskeyDisk
02/16/21 1:28:55 AM
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The "lack thereof" would be why Mead has me blocked for fear of melting.

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Far-Queue
02/16/21 5:03:12 AM
#234:


Jornavyr posted...
And sure Far, you can do what you like. I'll just choose to ignore you. Take out your ad. Go on the radio. When people ask me about what you said, I'll just say that I don't even know who you are. Pretty simple, isn't it?
And when you lose your job, and friends and family disown you because they think you're some creep monster, or you get picked up by the police and questioned or even jailed, nothing should happen to me, right?

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Far-Queue
02/16/21 5:08:12 AM
#235:


keyblader1985 posted...
How do y'all just let yourselves get trolled like this all the time?
Trolling or not, I like making sure some posters are the colossal morons their posts would have me believe they are. That way I can chalk up the rest of their posts as so much stupidity and move on with my day.

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Jornavyr
02/16/21 5:59:59 AM
#236:


Far-Queue posted...
And when you lose your job, and friends and family disown you because they think you're some creep monster, or you get picked up by the police and questioned or even jailed, nothing should happen to me, right?
I'm not sure why my friends and family would believe you over me, but yes, you are correct. You can lie, and I won't seek to punish you in anyway mainly because I know full well in my heart, that your words would be nonsense, and so would everyone who knew me lol.

Far-Queue posted...
Trolling or not, I like making sure some posters are the colossal morons their posts would have me believe they are. That way I can chalk up the rest of their posts as so much stupidity and move on with my day.
God damn, you think a lot of yourself, don't you? If only you could move on with your day. Haven't we been at this for like, nearly a week now?

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Mead
02/16/21 6:17:33 AM
#237:


Jornavyr posted...
God damn, you think a lot of yourself, don't you? If only you could move on with your day. Haven't we been at this for like, nearly a week now?

Takes two to tango my dude.

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Far-Queue
02/16/21 9:02:37 AM
#238:


Jornavyr posted...
you think a lot of yourself, don't you?
More than I think of you

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Far-Queue
02/16/21 9:07:46 AM
#239:


Jornavyr posted...
I'm not sure why my friends and family would believe you over me
It's a hypothetical, genius. And entirely plausible as it happens irl all the time. Which is precisely why...

Jornavyr posted...
You can lie, and I won't seek to punish you in anyway
^ that's really dumb

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CyborgSage00x0
02/16/21 4:44:57 PM
#240:


Mead posted...
Why is The Daily Wire making films? That is just bizarre
Most of the Right functions as a way to grift simpletons these days, so that's why.

Sell them movies about the bubble culture you helped create, reap the rewards. It's why it's become a known theme to pick out which people running at the GOP national convention are clearly there just to score a Fox News gig or book deal.

Hell, I'm 99% sure that was the entire point of Trump's 2016 run, but then he accidentally won due to America's broke political system and voters being worse than anyone thought.

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Jornavyr
02/17/21 6:30:38 AM
#241:


Far-Queue posted...


^ that's really dumb
Your hypothetical couldn't be more of a fairytale if you tried. Absolutely nobody would believe your flagrant lies without some proof. Hence why I'm quite happy to let you lie. I'll just call you a liar, and then I'll move on. And it'll be up to other people who they want to believe. Freedom is easy lads. You should really give it a go.

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Far-Queue
02/17/21 9:26:58 AM
#242:


"It's a fairytale!" = dumb

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/agony-of-fake-rape-victim-stalked-by-cops-and-wrongly-jailed-for-four-months/news-story/ 6d5378601e6554567a794afbd1d47a99

I suppose Sarah Jane Parkinson was exercising her free speech and should remain a free woman?


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Jornavyr
02/18/21 12:58:58 AM
#243:


Far-Queue posted...
"It's a fairytale!" = dumb

https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/crime/agony-of-fake-rape-victim-stalked-by-cops-and-wrongly-jailed-for-four-months/news-story/ 6d5378601e6554567a794afbd1d47a99

I suppose Sarah Jane Parkinson was exercising her free speech and should remain a free woman?
Broken link? And hell, people who do that shit remain free all the time. Poor example.

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Sarcasthma
02/18/21 4:09:53 AM
#244:


Jornavyr posted...
Broken link?
You need to remove that space before the first 6. GameFAQs doesn't allow words over 80 (I think) characters.

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Jornavyr
02/18/21 4:19:54 AM
#245:


Sarcasthma posted...
You need to remove that space before the first 6. GameFAQs doesn't allow words over 80 (I think) characters.
Cheers.

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Jornavyr
02/18/21 4:24:21 AM
#246:


"Even after the unravelling of Parkinsons lies a carefully planted condom wrapper, a self-inflicted head injury, a fake knife wound, a staged burglary and made-up stories of hired goons forcing her off the road authorities continued to pursue Mr Jones and his father Ian who was also targeted by false allegations."

Damn, girl went a bit beyond just telling a few porky pies. If it were just lies, then it would have been just her word against his, and she more than likely would have gotten away with it. I would assume that the fabrication of evidence was her more serious offence in this one. Pretty sure it said that she was a police clerk. She knew how to game the system. She knew full well that a simple accusation wasn't good enough.


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Far-Queue
02/18/21 5:53:29 AM
#247:


^ more stupidity. Not surprised.

There's dozens of examples of false rape allegations leading to arrests and incarcerations of innocent people.

Those who escape incarceration often have to deal with the disruption, malignment, and vilification associated with people accused of such heinous crimes. They lose work, are alienated by friends and family, some end up on sex offender registries and can have that hanging over them for months until their records are cleared up, and even when they are exonerated there are news articles and websites containing falsehoods that are out there forever for anyone doing a Google search of their name to find. Not to take away from the damage these false accusations do to people making legitimate accusations, making it harder for them to have to prove their cases and perhaps causing some to be hesitant to come forward for fear of not being believed.

Not all of these false accusations involve fabrication of evidence. But keep on that absolutely moronic stance of yours that people should be allowed to say whatever they like without consequence

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Far-Queue
02/18/21 6:13:49 AM
#248:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wrongful_convictions_in_the_United_States

^ not just sexual assault cases but there's lots of examples in there. And that's just the US.

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/news/hull-east-yorkshire-news/tragedy-grant-townsend-takes-life-4995456

^ this man ended his life after being acquitted. The stigma hanging over him proved too much to handle.

I could go on but I know you'll make your pathetic argument anyway so I'm not gonna waste my time. You're wrong, and your opinion is absurd and indefensible.

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Jornavyr
02/18/21 7:02:48 AM
#249:


Far-Queue posted...
But keep on that absolutely moronic stance of yours that people should be allowed to say whatever they like without consequence
Ohhh true, thanks for the permission man. And don't worry, I wouldn't let one case in which a woman got in trouble for falsifying evidence sway my convictions. No need for concern on that front.

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Far-Queue
02/18/21 7:31:52 AM
#250:


Stay ignorant

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Far-Queue
02/18/21 7:32:40 AM
#251:


Hopefully Australia has as good an education system as the rest of the civilized world one day

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