Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 363: SEC Speed

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Gotta go fast to protect Wall Street

Buy $DOGE
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The stock topics and the politics topics have become one

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Don't worry, stonks will become old news when MTG starts walking around congress brandishing a metal baseball bat in a couple days.

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Look man, we dont have to argue about whether $2000 means $2000 or $1400+$600 anymore, but surely people in this topic can see how god awful this messaging is?

https://twitter.com/thedemocrats/status/1355634654255190016?s=21

The official line from Democrats is no longer $2000 checks, now its the $600 under Trump was a down payment on $2000, (the rest of which is probably coming in two months)?

lol the fuck?

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Look man, we dont have to argue about whether $2000 means $2000 or $1400+$600 anymore, but surely people in this topic can how god awful this messaging is?

https://twitter.com/thedemocrats/status/1355634654255190016?s=21

The official line from Democrats is no longer $2000 checks, now its the $600 under Trump was a down payment on $2000, (the rest of which is probably coming in two months)?

lol the fuck?

https://twitter.com/VP/status/1258750173372653571

Lol

I mean, I support basic income, but I would like to offset the payments with some semi balance of taxation and benefit decreases.


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To piggyback on what Tony was saying, even though people in this topic series seem to believe people are foolish for not realizing Biden saying "$2000 checks will go out immediately" meant "we will do $1400 checks to go along with the $600 dollar checks in a couple months", you have to admit it was equally as foolish to go with messaging that left people feeling like you lied to them, and furthermore, that there is absolutely no basis or study for the idea that people making under x money need stimulus but exactly a $2000 dollar one time payment is what they need, so none of this is smart and it is all just bad optics for Biden because what he is doing is satisfying nobody. The GOP members of congress is feeling lied to by the switch to no longer doing a 60 vote compromise bill, and the dem voters, especially in GA, now feel like you lied to them too. If nothing else, Warnock should come out in favor of new $2000 checks just because he is the one who is getting thrown under the bus the most here.

fuming posted...

The GOP members of congress is feeling lied to by the switch to no longer doing a 60 vote compromise bill

Okay I'm with you on the rest but literally who the fuck cares on this

This is literally a good thing

Fuck a 60 vote compromise bill

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I wasn't saying that was a bad thing! I agree it is better not to do that 60 vote. It is just weird how Biden is making moves that piss off everyone

Jakyl25 posted...

Gotta go fast to protect Wall Street

Buy $DOGE

What does it say about me that the mention of Wall Street brought Michael Douglas to mind?

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The only downside of using reconciliation is that it takes longer to get through that process, but when the choice is "Will take some time but something good will actually get done" vs "Literally nothing" well...

really just another case for eliminating the filibuster

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xp1337 posted...

The only downside of using reconciliation is that it takes longer to get through that process, but when the choice is "Will take some time but something good will actually get done" vs "Literally nothing" well...

really just another case for eliminating the filibuster

What about some good now vs less later? I seem to remember that scenario before the election.

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https://twitter.com/sablaah/status/1355728233715654657?s=21

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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1355899895115296773?s=19

There's no hope for the GOP.

This isn't even a rep people hate.


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UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1355899895115296773?s=19

There's no hope for the GOP.

This isn't even a rep people hate.

Well obviously he can't say for sure. It isn't like she did anything truly repugnant like say "awomen" or advocate for affordable healthcare for everyone.

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Looks like a military coup may be underway in Myanmar.

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Again?

PerfectChaosZ posted...

Again?

my first thought

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Apparently it is socially acceptable to say Democratic elections are fraudulent and then do what you want.

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fuming posted...

To piggyback on what Tony was saying, even though people in this topic series seem to believe people are foolish for not realizing Biden saying "$2000 checks will go out immediately" meant "we will do $1400 checks to go along with the $600 dollar checks in a couple months", you have to admit it was equally as foolish to go with messaging that left people feeling like you lied to them, and furthermore, that there is absolutely no basis or study for the idea that people making under x money need stimulus but exactly a $2000 dollar one time payment is what they need, so none of this is smart and it is all just bad optics for Biden because what he is doing is satisfying nobody. The GOP members of congress is feeling lied to by the switch to no longer doing a 60 vote compromise bill, and the dem voters, especially in GA, now feel like you lied to them too. If nothing else, Warnock should come out in favor of new $2000 checks just because he is the one who is getting thrown under the bus the most here.

Honestly I think that the $2000 being $600 + $1400 was pretty obviously always the intent, but that progressives smartly seized an opportunity to frame it as a walk-back. I think it was a great move to put moderate dems in an uncomfortable position and (potentially) get more for the people who need it.

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I wish they would at least go ahead with $1400

Yeah I'd be very happy if the COVID package passed as Biden wants it, honestly, so long as it includes all the other good stuff in addition to the 1.4k.

But I am also all for progressives hammering moderate dems for more money on top of it.

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It's fine for progressives to argue that the checks should be $2000, but the "they lied about $2000" claim is bullshit and contributes to the demonstrably false "both sides are the same" narrative

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I don't think people need to have so much greed. 1400 would be plenty. The unemployed are already getting 1200 a month / possibly 1600 a month as well. They need to get the 1400 out as they promised though.

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Don't know if this was posted, but apparently the Lincoln Project Co-Founder is a piece of shit:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/31/us/politics/john-weaver-lincoln-project-harassment.html

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LordoftheMorons posted...

It's fine for progressives to argue that the checks should be $2000, but the "they lied about $2000" claim is bullshit and contributes to the demonstrably false "both sides are the same" narrative

What, would something bad happen if we got the left so mad at centrists that they stop voting for Democrats? We won the election already and now the GOP has lost power forever.
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VintageGin posted...

Honestly I think that the $2000 being $600 + $1400 was pretty obviously always the intent, but that progressives smartly seized an opportunity to frame it as a walk-back. I think it was a great move to put moderate dems in an uncomfortable position and (potentially) get more for the people who need it.

if the Biden admin had any sense they would've started saying $2,000 and then when met with GOP resistance they could've framed $1,400 as a compromise

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LordoftheMorons posted...

It's fine for progressives to argue that the checks should be $2000, but the "they lied about $2000" claim is bullshit and contributes to the demonstrably false "both sides are the same" narrative

You think its just happenstance they used the words $2000 checks until after the Georgia runoffs?

Yes, we all know they really planned on $1400, but they knew it was ambiguous, stop playing dumb.

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Any checks would be cool. How is that going

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i mean if you're looking for a lie, it can start with "where's my fucking check."
we've gone from people need this money back in October, pushed it to December with $600 as something obviously not enough, and are now punting it to start talking about it in March.

if it was something they considered so necessary and important it should've been day 1, instant clean bill. it's not, because they lied about caring about it.


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Wasn't the timeline on the whole checks thing something like:

Congress passes $600 checks (December 20)
Trump says he wants $2000 checks instead (December 22)
Dems go "Sounds great! Let's go!" (December 22; Basically immediately immediately after he said that)
Trump signs the original bill (December 27)
House passes an amendment to the original bill increasing the checks from $600 to $2000 (December 28)
McConnell kills the amendment in the Senate (December 30)

As a result, the original bill having been signed, McConnell killing the amendment, and Congress's term ending on January 3rd scuttling any efforts and resetting the process to zero, the checks go out at $600 at this point.

It is true that Ossoff and Warnock continued to campaign on $2000 at this time which is fine, I suppose, but I would think that was more of them continuing to hammer the same message from before that saga ended when the amendment was the question at hand and them not going for a messy message change in the literal final week after the reality of the situation in Congress changed at the end of that timeline meant the 600 -> 2000 amendment was now an outdated idea as the amendment was killed by the GOP Senate and the checks were going out now (because good fucking luck trying to explain all the details there in short campaign pieces)

But "the Dems" were pretty clear on the tack being taken here and while I agree the messaging is now messy as fuck at this point, they weren't lying or misdirecting or anything. Any claims to that effect are just ignoring how the events and timeline played out.

tbqh, I think they should go for $2000 now instead of $1400 because tbqh $2000 isn't enough anyway, and because the GOP is going to force this to go through reconciliation we're probably not going to see direct checks go out until March whereas the initial debate was dealing with the checks that were going out back in December/January. But I'm pretty sure if you go through the contemperaneous comments even AOC and Sanders were pretty clear it was $600 bumped up to $2000. I know AOC has since changed to "nah fam let's go with fresh $2000 checks" which is fine and again I think it's the better option of the two but it's because she recognized things changed and updated her demand here in light of how things ended with the initial round of debate.

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I think I'm finally at the point in my life where I really don't want another check >_> I really do not need the money. Wish the checks were more targeted.

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masterplum posted...

I think I'm finally at the point in my life where I really don't want another check >_> I really do not need the money. Wish the checks were more targeted.

Then take that check and give all 600 of it directly to a friend in need or a good cause. Sadly you're in the minority.

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masterplum posted...

I think I'm finally at the point in my life where I really don't want another check >_> I really do not need the money. Wish the checks were more targeted.

Honestly, yes, but two things.

1) Even if you feel this way, you're not going to say no to money in your pocket, and nobody here is so well off that they wouldn't find a use for it.
2) It's literally cheaper for the government to not means test this stuff and just give it to everybody. Same concept as UBI as an alternative to welfare.

Ideally, yes, the poor and those who need it most would get the vast majority of the benefit here. But realistically, not gonna happen.

DoomTheGyarados posted...

Then take that check and give all 600 of it directly to a friend in need or a good cause. Sadly you're in the minority.

Not a bad idea

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People that worried about the debt are free to voluntarily pay more in taxes to give the money back to the government as well.

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masterplum posted...

Not a bad idea

I'll send you my address.

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/rochester-police-pepper-spray-child/index.html

Don't know if this story was talked about yet, but police pepper sprayed a handcuffed 9-year-old-girl. Imagine if we'd sent one cop and one social worker, instead of a bunch of police officers who didn't know what they were doing.

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Dancedreamer posted...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/rochester-police-pepper-spray-child/index.html

Don't know if this story was talked about yet, but police pepper sprayed a handcuffed 9-year-old-girl. Imagine if we'd sent one cop and one social worker, instead of a bunch of police officers who didn't know what they were doing.

I don't know. We need more facts. What if she was armed? Or if she attacked the police? Maybe she just got done dealing Crack?

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Those cops obviously feared for their life

Reg posted...

Honestly, yes, but two things.

1) Even if you feel this way, you're not going to say no to money in your pocket, and nobody here is so well off that they wouldn't find a use for it.
2) It's literally cheaper for the government to not means test this stuff and just give it to everybody. Same concept as UBI as an alternative to welfare.

Ideally, yes, the poor and those who need it most would get the vast majority of the benefit here. But realistically, not gonna happen.

2) is definitely not true unless the cutoff is absurdly high. Were taking about hundreds of billions of dollars here; theres not that much overhead.

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https://twitter.com/sfc_opinions/status/1356213758826311681?s=21

Perfect example of the bullshit Bernie and his supporters have had to go through: Old man wore warm, non-fancy clothes, thats white supremacy/white privilege.

I have no idea how GameFAQs will show these replies, but my POV is that when good social justice terminology is used as a cudgel like this, it just hurts everyone, man.

https://twitter.com/erishkagel/status/1356353402041741312?s=21

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https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1356321186494492673?s=21

Augh augh augh augh augh
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Cuomo is terrible, yes.

That brief period towards the start of the pandemic when people were unironically hoping he'd run for President was very distressing.

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My parents fell in love with him at the start of the pandemic. To be fair, the average person was comparing Cuomo's nationally televised covid briefings directly with Trump's, so it's no surprise he wound up looking way better than he actually was.

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

My parents fell in love with him at the start of the pandemic. To be fair, the average person was comparing Cuomo's nationally televised covid briefings directly with Trump's, so it's no surprise he wound up looking way better than he actually was.

yeah I tried to keep this in check with my mom who was fawning over his briefings I had to remind her of how he's failed as well. the briefings were just such an easy damn way to feign competence

at least it's good my dad is incredibly fickle so he's immediately back to calling Cuomo every name in the book lmao

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Cuomo shoved people with covid into nursing homes then just so happened underreported the deaths by 50%.

But he has a picture book now so it's okay he's a hero.

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Reopening indoor dining is insane

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Im in Florida, weve had indoor dining since like May lol

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honestly, outdoor dining for the past 4 months has just been indoor dining but in a smaller space. i'm not expecting a big difference.


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