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Why I dont hear about F to M trying to compete in the mens leagues?

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

https://abcnews.go.com/US/transgender-teens-outrun-track-field-competitors-critics-close/story?id=55856294

Transgender high school sophomores Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood came in first and second place, respectively, in the 100-meter race at the State Open Finals June 4, angering some parents who complained they had a competitive advantage over non-transgender students.

This will get ignored like the other 9,000 articles/videos posted bc equality!

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WashYourHands posted...

Why I dont hear about F to M trying to compete in the mens leagues?

Because complaints only happen when trans people win. If they would just not win, then everything would be fine.

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WashYourHands posted...

Why I dont hear about F to M trying to compete in the mens leagues?

Because, a MNBA doesn't exist, nor are there much of any men's leagues for any sport.

CyricZ posted...

Because complaints only happen when trans people win. If they would just not win, then everything would be fine.

Could you possibly imagine why MtFs seem to be successful in female divisions while FtMs don't seem to experience the same level of success in male divisions?

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CyricZ posted...

Because complaints only happen when trans people win. If they would just not win, then everything would be fine.

if Transgender man won the Superbowl i think he would get nothing but adulation

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TommyG663513 posted...

Could you possibly imagine why MtFs seem to be successful in female divisions while FtMs don't seem to experience the same level of success in male divisions?

I can imagine about a lot of things, but it would prove nothing.

Quite frankly I think people using their imaginations a little too wildly is at the source of a lot of the problems here.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

if Transgender man won the Superbowl i think he would get nothing but adulation

Chaz Bono could have been a decent lineman, actually.

CyricZ posted...

I can imagine about a lot of things, but it would prove nothing.

Quite frankly I think people using their imaginations a little too wildly is at the source of a lot of the problems here.

Who tends to experience more success?

FtMs in male divisions

Or...

MtFs in female divisions

You don't need to use your imagination on this one

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TommyG663513 posted...

Who tends to experience more success?

FtMs in male divisions

Or...

MtFs in female divisions

You don't need to use your imagination on this one

You shouldn't use your imagination on this one. You have any facts / studies to get the answer?

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CyricZ posted...

I can imagine about a lot of things, but it would prove nothing.

Quite frankly I think people using their imaginations a little too wildly is at the source of a lot of the problems here.

Look at the article I posted at the top of this page. It's not an imagination, it's ABC News lmao

Why do you just ignore and dismiss anything that proves you might be wrong?

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I fucking love how radical SJW's don't offer any valid arguments. They, as always, just resort to calling people bigots or nazis. They straight up deny actual facts. It's wild.

I'm not arguing that trans women haven't won things. I've never done that.

So this isn't really any kind of "gotcha".

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Mingue posted...

I fucking love how radical SJW's don't offer any valid arguments. They, as always, just resort to calling people bigots or nazis. They straight up deny actual facts. It's wild.

I can't even comprehend how they can abandon all logic and reasoning just because they desperately want to be "morally superior" or some shit like that lol

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I can't even comprehend how they can abandon all logic and reasoning just because they desperately want to be "morally superior" or some shit like that lol

This is why I personally compare it to religious belief

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Questionmarktarius posted...

Chaz Bono could have been a decent lineman, actually.

No he wouldn't

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Mingue posted...

I fucking love how radical SJW's don't offer any valid arguments. They, as always, just resort to calling people bigots or nazis. They straight up deny actual facts. It's wild.

Especially wild from the same groups who say republicans ignore science
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CyricZ posted...

I'm not arguing that trans women haven't won things. I've never done that.

So this isn't really any kind of "gotcha".

So what could that imply if trans women have many documented cases of them winning in female divisions, but like no or very few cases of trans men winning in mens divisions?

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Dathrowed1 posted...

This is why I personally compare it to religious belief

It's definitely cult like behavior, that's for damn sure. There's no middle ground with these people. Either you agree with them 100% on everything, or you're a bigot nazi. Like... what?

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TommyG663513 posted...

So what could that imply if trans women have many documented cases of them winning in female divisions, but like no or very few cases of trans men winning in trans divisions?

Addressing this requires you to first prove that this in fact happens.

And to help you along, you'll first have to do without waffle words like "many" and "very few". We're going to need numbers.

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Conflict posted...

That's the only other option besides cis

Well then I'm sorry. Cis women have struggled for a long time too and deserve to have their opinions heard. I'm certain there's a compromise somewhere.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

if Transgender man won the Superbowl i think he would get nothing but adulation

As the greatest benchwarmer of all time

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inb4500

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SquirtleSkwad posted...

Cis women have struggled for a long time too and deserve to have their opinions heard.

Are their opinions not being heard? Have they been silenced or censored?

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Will they get the * treatment like roid induced baseball records?

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

It's definitely cult like behavior, that's for damn sure. There's no middle ground with these people. Either you agree with them 100% on everything, or you're a bigot nazi. Like... what?

Leave it to the "progressives" to oppress women, resort to name calling and deny science.

Makes you think, are we seeing a similarity to horseshoe theory?

Not that far left and far right share similar beliefs, but they are both cult like in their beliefs. They'll both ignore facts and have meltdowns when you try to address them in discussion. Different beliefs, but they hold them in similar fashion

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I'd love to be bench warmer on a pro team. Doesn't even need to be major league. I'd definitely play for the little rock lightning for 1k a month (in season)

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I can't even comprehend how they can abandon all logic and reasoning just because they desperately want to be "morally superior" or some shit like that lol

"Equality! ...except for reasons I don't like"

Balrog0 posted...

I'd love to be bench warmer on a pro team. Doesn't even need to be major league. I'd definitely play for the little rock lightning for 1k a month (in season)

I mean we do see players and coaches make decisions and plays I think I could command a salary for

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CyricZ posted...

Addressing this requires you to first prove that this in fact happens.

And to help you along, you'll first have to do without waffle words like "many" and "very few". We're going to need numbers.

A number of anecdotes have been provided ITT of trans women winning their field. Contrast this with a lack of any anecdotes of trans men winning in male divisions.

Anecdotes are really as good as it gets. There aren't a ton of trans people in Athletics.

Keep in mind, my stance is that we should let trans women compete with women until it theoretically "ruins" the competition. At that point, do what you can to reverse course.

I take this position, because I agree that we need more real world data so we can reach a more concrete solution.

I just think it is ultra silly to say " there is no way MtFs have physical advantages over cis women that could create a competitive imbalance."

When the reality is that this isn't truly proven either way, but the limited and available evidence does seem to lean a certain way.

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CyricZ posted...

Are their opinions not being heard? Have they been silenced or censored?

Sorry. I meant "considered".

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WashYourHands posted...

Why I dont hear about F to M trying to compete in the mens leagues?

because theyd lose. On the whole, Bio men are stronger than bio women. Its facts. Cant be argued.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Anecdotes are really as good as it gets. There aren't a ton of trans people in Athletics.

Not my problem.

I just think it is ultra silly to say " there is no way MtFs have physical advantages over cis women that could create a competitive imbalance."

And I've never said that, despite everyone's best attempts to try to drag it out of me for some reason. All I hear is how "obvious" it is from opponents, but never any actual proof.

To paraphrase what pinky has been saying, the real question is "is it fair?" Do you feel qualified to determine that?

SquirtleSkwad posted...

Sorry. I meant "considered".

So I ask you again, what are these opinions that require consideration?

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Heavy_D_Forever posted...

I can't even comprehend how they can abandon all logic and reasoning just because they desperately want to be "morally superior" or some shit like that lol

I guess feeling good about themselves while putting down others is more important than , y'know, logic and facts and actual truth.

CyricZ posted...

Not my problem.

And I've never said that, despite everyone's best attempts to try to drag it out of me for some reason. All I hear is how "obvious" it is from opponents, but never any actual proof.

To paraphrase what pinky has been saying, the real question is "is it fair?" Do you feel qualified to determine that?

So I ask you again, what are these opinions that require consideration?

The reality is that the evidence we have is only so much. There are a number of different possibilities and you need to acknowledge that. The evidence we do have seems to point a certain way though. Still, it'd be premature to conclude anything, because the sample size is still too small.

What I have a problem with is this black and white thinking that you are a bigot or you are not.

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It's just sports. Some men and women can't help they were born different.

But if this is how it needs to be, then we should see burly bearded trans men in women's sports. I mean, they were born with XX chromosomes and vaginas.

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TommyG663513 posted...

Still, it'd be premature to conclude anything, because the sample size is still too small.

That hasn't stopped some people.

TommyG663513 posted...

What I have a problem with is this black and white thinking that you are a bigot or you are not.

Have you been called a bigot? My condolences, but I'm not going to apologize on behalf of someone else for your hurt feelings.

Those mentioned in Post #1 each have their own varying histories of bigotry. For someone to come into this topic and agree with them is to risk being labeled as they are.

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hockeybub89 posted...

It's just sports. Some men and women can't help they were born different.

But if this is how it needs to be, then we should see burly bearded trans men in women's sports. I mean, they were born with XX chromosomes and vaginas.

This is a strawman argument. They already restrict everyone from taking non-prescriptive exogenous androgens in sports

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Dathrowed1 posted...

This is a strawman argument. They already restrict everyone from taking non-prescriptive exogenous androgens in sports

Trans people don't have prescriptions?

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CyricZ posted...

That hasn't stopped some people.

Have you been called a bigot? My condolences, but I'm not going to apologize on behalf of someone else for your hurt feelings.

Those mentioned in Post #1 each have their own varying histories of bigotry. For someone to come into this topic and agree with them is to risk being labeled as they are.

It's not about hurt feelings. It's about engaging a topic in good faith.

You've been one of the more blatant trolls throughout this topic so I don't know what type of superiority you feel you can cling to.

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TommyG663513 posted...

You've been one of the more blatant trolls throughout this topic so I don't know what type of superiority you feel you can cling to.

A superiority of supporting the faith

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CyricZ posted...

So I ask you again, what are these opinions that require consideration?

Whichever arguments you're dismissing based on their cis status.

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TommyG663513 posted...

It's not about hurt feelings. It's about engaging a topic in good faith.

You've been one of the more blatant trolls throughout this topic so I don't know what type of superiority you feel you can cling to.

This topic always plays out exactly the same every time the matter comes up. We even got joestarr's requisit single quoting post to pretend to be involved and gunpla claiming ad hominem while calling everyone else bigots.

OmegaShinkai posted...

This topic always plays out exactly the same every time the matter comes up. We even got joestarr's requisit single quoting post to pretend to be involved and gunpla claiming ad hominem while calling everyone else bigots.

every time

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Fuck TERFs

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