Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 341: Flip-Flip-Flipadelphia!

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Dark Young Link posted...

Also I believe that the left condemned that shooter for that.

Compared to the right calling Rittenhouse a "hero", or how they "Want him as their president".

That's a hell of a crazy comparison in terms of scale.

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Corrik7 posted...

There has been no serious credible threat of a civil war ever happening.

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Espeon posted...

Fair point. That was the baseball shooting, right? One outlier compared to regular stories of violence perpetuated by the right.

Have you missed the literal riots that have been happening for 6 months now? Or the whole CHAZ clusterfuck?

Dark Young Link posted...

Also I believe that the left condemned that shooter for that.

Compared to the right calling Rittenhouse a "hero", or how they "Want him as their president".

Rittenhouse is a shitlord, but the video of that shooting is one of the clearest acts of self defense I have ever seen.

Who's alt is it this time?

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Wanglicious posted...

especially if Trump TV is a thing.

If it's anything like Trump Steaks, Trump University, Trump Water, or any of his other ventures, I give it 6 months.

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https://twitter.com/brentalfloss/status/1325115679360606210?s=09

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dang I guess next time y'all should nominate someone who isn't a completely unlikable piece of shit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV4my0v57ww

heh, description

Dreams DO come true! We made this back in 2016 but couldn't use it. We're so excited to finally celebrate with !

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holy crap I haven't seen brentalfloss in like 10 years

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I'm sure people aren't keeping nearly as much of an eye on the states considering, but PA lead increased by 6k.

Trump is also not getting the numbers he needs in AZ.

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cerna_zelva posted...

Rittenhouse is a shitlord, but the video of that shooting is one of the clearest acts of self defense I have ever seen.

You can't crash a party with a gun and then when people start freaking out about it shoot people and then claim self defense

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pezzicle posted...

You can't crash a party with a gun and then when people start freaking out about it shoot people and then claim self defense

Whether he is guilty or not will be decided by a court of law, but that is of course a weird way of phrasing it. It also ignores that many people had a gun as well.

That said, comparing that to the Scalise shooting is crazy and not on the same page.

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I want Arizona really bad for symbolic reason.

But two R senate seats going to two D senate seats in two years is beautiful regardless.

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Corrik7 posted...

Whether he is guilty or not will be decided by a court of law, but that is of course a weird way of phrasing it. It also ignores that many people had a gun as well.

That said, comparing that to the Scalise shooting is crazy and not on the same page.

Rittenhouse was also across state lines with a gun he didnt legally own

But the easiest comparison is Gabby Giffords
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Suprak the Stud posted...

I want Arizona really bad for symbolic reason.

But two R senate seats going to two D senate seats in two years is beautiful regardless.

so the big thing for AZ right now isn't the presidency, it's state seats.
GOP has 22 governor + legislative bodies right now.
AZ and Alaska are sorting themselves out at the moment. you probably know this situation better than i do, my info's a day old and possibly outdated but i think both chambers are believed to stay republican.

if that's the case, your state is going red, guaranteed.

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https://twitter.com/aoc/status/1325148614461513729?s=21
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Jakyl25 posted...

Rittenhouse was also across state lines with a gun he didnt legally own

But the easiest comparison is Gabby Giffords

Nobody knew it wasn't his gun or he was from across state lines in the incident. He was just another person with a gun that day as far as the people their knew.

Scalise was a pre-meditated attack.

Rittenhouse was somewhere between a spur of the moment murder that escalated in an intense situation to self-defense. Somewhere in that range. A court can decide that with all the details.

It is closer to the murder of the Trump supporter in Portland. Though that may have been pre-meditated also, just not on the scale of the Scalise pre-meditation.

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I could care less about the state seats honestly as I don't live in Arizona. I mean democrats could theoretically gerrymander it to get another house seat out of it maybe, but those two senate seats and presidential votes are worth more to me than the local elections there. The gerrymandering honestly seems pretty fair in Arizona considering statewide votes.

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Corrik7 posted...

Whether he is guilty or not will be decided by a court of law, but that is of course a weird way of phrasing it. It also ignores that many people had a gun as well.

That said, comparing that to the Scalise shooting is crazy and not on the same page.

I'm not making a comment on the legality of it not am I making a comment on what to compare it to.

I'm making a comment on the claim that it is "one of the clearest acts of self defense" ever seen.

It isn't.

Again. You can't incite violence and then when you are attacked kill someone and be like "wtf I was just defending myself"

Like no.

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Rittenhouse is self defense and it's pretty clear.

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Rittenhouse crossed state lines with the intention to murder. When he turned himself in he cried, stating he "shot two white boys", because he had intended to kill black people instead but was a bad shot.

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pezzicle posted...

I'm not making a comment on the legality of it not am I making a comment on what to compare it to.

I'm making a comment on the claim that it is "one of the clearest acts of self defense" ever seen.

It isn't.

Again. You can't incite violence and then when you are attacked kill someone and be like "wtf I was just defending myself"

Like no.

I haven't seen enough details to know if he incited violence or not. What I had seen said he hadn't been. Then there was a conflict of some sort that is unclear that ended up with him shooting someone (not sure what exactly happened here). Then the second shootings were defending himself from the mob, but, yes, you cannnot claim self-defense here if you were at fault in the first exchange, which I am unsure of the details of what happened at that point. If he wasn't in the wrong in the first exchange, then the whole thing is self-defense. If he was wrong in the first exchange, then it becomes murder across the board.

That's why a jury will have to figure that one out with the evidence.

I am taking aim at DYL's claim that Rittenhouse and Scalise are on the same page basically.

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https://twitter.com/tutiasaldi/status/1325145965234450432?s=19

XD

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https://twitter.com/Sephzilla/status/1325150337859162113

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/tutiasaldi/status/1325145965234450432?s=19

XD

I don't normally get into stuff like this but I love the energy of that guy. It's like on the last day of school when the teacher roasts the annoying kid.

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/tutiasaldi/status/1325145965234450432?s=19

XD

Its a beautiful thing to see.

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https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1325135133452738565

stahp media stahp

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it's like we learned absolutely nothing from nixon

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Corrik7 posted...

I haven't seen enough details to know if he incited violence or not. What I had seen said he hadn't been. Then there was a conflict of some sort that is unclear that ended up with him shooting someone (not sure what exactly happened here). Then the second shootings were defending himself from the mob, but, yes, you cannnot claim self-defense here if you were at fault in the first exchange, which I am unsure of the details of what happened at that point. If he wasn't in the wrong in the first exchange, then the whole thing is self-defense. If he was wrong in the first exchange, then it becomes murder across the board.

That's why a jury will have to figure that one out with the evidence.

I am taking aim at DYL's claim that Rittenhouse and Scalise are on the same page basically.

And this is exactly where you lose me and I suspect many others.

There is a belief that he had a right to be there and his presence there is not inciting violence in and of itself. I disagree.

The idea is that he went to help restore law and order and brought a gun to defend himself vs he went to instill fear in and power over a group of people and brought a gun with himself to help.

I believe the latter.

Granted, I'm left leaning, and I don't see guns as defense like many people on the right do. I see guns as enforcement and power. "Don't fuck with me. I will shoot you." That's the message. That is, to me, inciting violence.

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Nevada calls making the round outside of Fox's emergency call now.

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https://twitter.com/brianbartlett/status/1325155523403132928?s=21
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GuessMyUserName posted...

https://twitter.com/Sephzilla/status/1325150337859162113

This is one of the best things I've seen in my life. Holy shit

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pardoning trump would break so many things in people's heads.
like mechanically i get the idea. if you're going through a purely, 100% rational looking for best situation, it makes sense.

but holy hell are there a number of people who are not emotionally ready for that.

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Sadly the Independent has gone massively downhill lately, still non-partisan but very clickbaity.

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Biden should only pardon Trump for crimes he will publicly admit he committed.

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Thats a good reality show

Donald, tell me what you need to be pardoned for?
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My sister is at the count every vote rally in Philly right now

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pezzicle posted...

And this is exactly where you lose me and I suspect many others.

There is a belief that he had a right to be there and his presence there is not inciting violence in and of itself. I disagree.

The idea is that he went to help restore law and order and brought a gun to defend himself vs he went to instill fear in and power over a group of people and brought a gun with himself to help.

I believe the latter.

Granted, I'm left leaning, and I don't see guns as defense like many people on the right do. I see guns as enforcement and power. "Don't fuck with me. I will shoot you." That's the message. That is, to me, inciting violence.

It's literally a matter of fact that he was there giving first aid to protesters earlier in the day. He went there to protect a business there (his family apparently works in Kenosha or something) and a gun in case he was attacked while he was there.

He didn't go there to incite violence. That much is pretty well documented. He was there to provide first aid to those who needed it and to help with the protection of businesses from looters and rioters that were looting businesses and setting them on fire.

The case boils down specifically to what happened in the first exchange itself. If you are arguing otherwise, you are arguing from a losing standpoint. He had the right to be there just as much as any other person who was there. He did not have the right to have a gun if it was illegal to bear and/or transport. That, however, is extraneous to the case because I doubt anyone was in knowledge of that at the time. Those are separate crimes in which he will be found guilty of if that is the case. The case in question here was whether it was murder or self-defense. That stems solely on what caused the first shooting. If he shot for not a reason of self-defense, it is murder across the board. If he shot because he had a legally viable reason to, then the subsequent shots were also self-defense. A mob thinking he did something wrong and mobbing him isn't an excuse to the mob. Just like him shooting the latter doesn't become magically okay because he incited it with shooting someone prior without legal reason.

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Maniac64 posted...

Biden should only pardon Trump for crimes he will publicly admit he committed.

He should say he's doing this then prosecute instead.

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Wanglicious posted...

pardoning trump would break so many things in people's heads.
like mechanically i get the idea. if you're going through a purely, 100% rational looking for best situation, it makes sense.

but holy hell are there a number of people who are not emotionally ready for that.

The thing is, did Trump even do anything that requires pardoning? And, if he did, surely the states will bring up charges instead of the federal so he won't be pardoned anyways.

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tage

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Corrik7 posted...

Negative.

There has been no serious credible threat of a civil war ever happening. It has just been people fearmongering.

Yeah. Fearmongering. From Trump's base.

Corrik7 posted...

The thing is, did Trump even do anything that requires pardoning? And, if he did, surely the states will bring up charges instead of the federal so he won't be pardoned anyways.

probably, the man did work in real estate after all. no way shit there was clean. stuff before his presidency is what i think people will go after him on.

pardoning for things he did as president i don't think you're gonna find anything for. even if you could find something, there's enough people involved who'd protect it.

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https://twitter.com/alxthomp/status/1323709500419956737?s=21

This is encouraging
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Corrik7 posted...

The thing is, did Trump even do anything that requires pardoning? And, if he did, surely the states will bring up charges instead of the federal so he won't be pardoned anyways.

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/1325149414630023169?s=21
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If they cancel student debt I'll be forced to admit I was wrong, but as with everything, a big ol believe it when I see it

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

Rittenhouse crossed state lines with the intention to murder. When he turned himself in he cried, stating he "shot two white boys", because he had intended to kill black people instead but was a bad shot.

Talk about not living in reality.

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Jakyl25 posted...

https://twitter.com/alxthomp/status/1323709500419956737?s=21

This is encouraging

This would be an amazing first 100 days but Im not that hopeful!

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UshiromiyaEva posted...

https://twitter.com/tutiasaldi/status/1325145965234450432?s=19

XD

lmfao

Real talk, I think he's actually saying "Buzz off" or "Bug off" but lmao.

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