Poll of the Day > A TFW Brought COVID to My Region

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Thanks Trudeau. Tried to share that agriculture post a while ago, but got bombarded by resident racist posts by dummies that think theyre something special.

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A TFW Brought COVID to My Region

Assuming TFW doesn't stand for "that feeling when"? >_>

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You should be glad you dont know what it stands for. Good for your country.

It means Trudeau invited people from foreign countries with high cases of COVID to take jobs from us while Canadians without COVID were out of work. Turd is up on five ethics violations. Anyone defending him now is trolling.

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Temporary Foreign Worker.

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If there's one thing I can't stand, it's foreigners.

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that's a pretty racist way to look at the situation dawg.

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lolcanada
Fucking racist btw.

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Lol. Its funny how some people order their beliefs. COVID bad but people have a right to travel!

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"Racism is only ok when it helps me" - TC, probably


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PyroBlade1985 posted...

To be fair, Trudeau is shit. Anyone supporting him after the blackface pic is a hypocrite.

so someone cant think he did a shitty thing but still think he is a good politician? There aint nobody that hasnt made mistakes in their past

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Mead posted...

so someone cant think he did a shitty thing but still think he is a good politician? There aint nobody that hasnt made mistakes in their past

But he also isnt a good politician.

Trump made mistakes in his past and people still hold him accountable, Mead.

Judgmenl posted...

"Racism is only ok when it helps me" - TC, probably

How would it help me?

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That's xenophobia, not racism.
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Dey terk er jerbs?

dedbus posted...

Dey terk er jerbs?

Ask the border agents who protect us from this every day. Also why visas are required. Otherwise, always, yes.

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Xenophobia is the funniest version of racism.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Xenophobia is the funniest version of racism.

But it isnt.

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zebatov posted...

But he also isnt a good politician.

Trump made mistakes in his past and people still hold him accountable, Mead.

"People can make mistakes and still be cool. But only if they're democrats" - mead

Its okay if people bring COVID with them and spread it around a different country, because I support foreigners over my own fellow citizens and their health and well-being than I support the fight against COVID.

A lot of PotD, apparently

I actually wouldnt care near as much if they had done any kind of testing on people at the border. And as an FYI, the first two people who brought it here were from Edmonton. So, more unchecked border-crossers.

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zebatov posted...

to take jobs from us while Canadians without COVID were out of work.

When you were laid off from your job for Covid, did you at any point think "hey, maybe I'll use this free time to go work in agriculture to help out with the labour shortage they always face!"? Somehow, I doubt it, and you're very much not alone in that. Sure, it would have been nice to staff every business that has used TFW's since the shutdown started with laid-off Canadians, but in practice, that was never a plausible alternative, and suspending the TFW program in hopes that that might catch on would just have resulted in the collapse of the agriculture industry (among other essential jobs).

By and large, the TFW program is used to fill necessary positions that Canadians just aren't interested in. It has no shortage of problems (some of which started under Harper and Trudeau hasn't fixed them yet, some of which are new under Trudeau) and is routinely abused by unscrupulous employers who care nothing for the living conditions of the workers they hire under it (which contributes significantly to the risk of Covid transmission), but for the most part, it's not taking jobs away from Canadians. Canadians are giving those jobs away because they don't want them.

zebatov posted...

people from foreign countries with high cases of COVID

If executed properly, there's no reason TFW's should present a risk of Covid transmission in the areas where they're used. The problem arises not in that they're coming from high-risk areas, but that the people employing them aren't interested in funding the two weeks of isolation they need to undergo upon arriving to render their origins irrelevant. That would mean two weeks of not working while being supplied with all the food and necessities they'd need, as well as a translator to overcome the problem of language barriers (even native English speakers have trouble with the concept of "asymptomatic transmission" and the need to isolate despite feeling fine), which is a non-trivial amount of money to be spending on workers that employers are trying to cheap out on. That really should have been a requirement for the TFW program this year.

zebatov posted...

Trump made mistakes in his past and people still hold him accountable, Mead.

The key difference being that Trump seems uninterested in repenting for or learning from said mistakes. Somebody dressing up in brownface in 2001 then welcoming tens of thousands of middle eastern refugees during a major crisis in 2016 has repented for the former mistake (and also explicitly apologized). Most of Trump's mistakes, he denies making, deflects from, or gaslights people in an effort to convince them that the mistakes were trivial, which is why people keep trying to hold him accountable.

Quite simply, if people account for their mistakes, you no longer need to hold them accountable. That work has been done already and you should move on. If people seemingly aren't interested in accountability, that's when you keep pushing the issue.

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Gladly. Demanding that people lose jobs or otherwise be erased from the public eye over past conduct that they've grown beyond and/or apologized for is ridiculous. They still need to face justice for any actual crimes committed, and depending on the severity of the mistakes, repenting may take a whole lot of work, but past wrongs can and should be forgiven if the person has put actual effort into earning forgiveness.

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Tell that to the cancel culture bastards. Or is that "just a echo chamber" too?

youre clearly in one considering the fact that youre constantly outraged about some SJW shit

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@adjl That (post #21) was a pleasure to read. I doubt I would have been able to make a more intelligent post concerning this issue.

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Accrovideogames posted...

@adjl That (post #21) was a pleasure to read. I doubt I would have been able to make a more intelligent post concerning this issue.

Except most of it was wrong, Im just not going to bother responding to it because I dont feel like arguing with someone who willingly stays wrong.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Xenophobia is the funniest version of racism.

Xenophobia is not racism. You can be both xenophobic and racist or one or the other.

adjl posted...

Gladly. Demanding that people lose jobs or otherwise be erased from the public eye over past conduct that they've grown beyond and/or apologized for is ridiculous. They still need to face justice for any actual crimes committed, and depending on the severity of the mistakes, repenting may take a whole lot of work, but past wrongs can and should be forgiven if the person has put actual effort into earning forgiveness.

Pretty sure James Gunn was fired before he apologized.
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PyroBlade1985 posted...

You didn't answer my question.

I did

you asked if its all just an echo chamber. It is. Youre in it.

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zebatov posted...

Except most of it was wrong, Im just not going to bother responding to it because I dont feel like arguing with someone who willingly stays wrong.

So you did consider taking an agricultural job to fill your free time? And you do believe that most Canadians would have done the same? Or that the agricultural industry could just not have workers for a few months and everything would have been fine? Or that isolating incoming workers for 14 days is all that's necessary to eliminate whatever risks they might be bringing with them and that that's the only adjustment the TFW program needed to accommodate the current pandemic (which didn't happen and that's bad)?

What you actually mean is "I don't know how to argue against what you said, so I'm going to insist that you're wrong without saying anything you might be able pick apart." Common mistake. Don't feel too bad, I've seen it a thousand times.

Revelation34 posted...

Pretty sure James Gunn was fired before he apologized.

Off-hand, I don't remember the details, but that is the first case that came to mind writing that. If his apology didn't come until after he'd faced real consequences for it, that does suggest a certain degree of insincerity, and further repentance is in order before feeling that he's earned forgiveness. If he got fired before he had a chance to apologize and/or demonstrate that he's no longer the person who made those tweets, then that was a knee-jerk reaction that shouldn't have happened because people deserve a chance to atone for their mistakes. Either way, it could have been handled better.

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

Whatever helps you sleep at night pops.

hey man you have a good time being outraged about whatever outrage you find out about in your feed tomorrow

gotta stop those damn antifa SJWs after all

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zebatov posted...

Except most of it was wrong, Im just not going to bother responding to it because I dont feel like arguing with someone who willingly stays wrong.

lmao

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No. I meant what I said.

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Dude cant even make a proper counter-argument.

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PyroBlade1985 posted...

You didn't answer my question.

He doesnt respond much when someone else makes a point.



Love how nobody responded to #20 because they cant organise their feelings like that.

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zebatov posted...

Love how nobody responded to #20 because they cant organise their feelings like that.

I dont disagree with that post my dude

theres a pandemic going on obviously you gotta test people crossing borders

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Mead posted...

I dont disagree with that post my dude

theres a pandemic going on obviously you gotta test people crossing borders

They have set up camps for people to quarantine in here, but obviously not all of them are doing it, or they arent working. They really should be doing testing before they even get that far.

And that second sentence wasnt for you. It was just an additional thought.

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zebatov posted...

He doesnt respond much when someone else makes a point.

When you openly refuse to respond to a point someone else made, you don't really have the right to play that card. Just Saiyan.

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My wifes hawt cousin got tested, she's going to get her results on Friday

If its positive it means I'll have to quarantine because my wife saw her daughter who lives with her last week during a dumb get together

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zebatov posted...

No. I meant what I said. Id explain how youre wrong, and youd still just make up some bullshit like you always do, so Im not going to waste my time.

And by "make up some bullshit," you mean "form a cohesive counterargument that I can't refute." We understand, dude. You don't have to pretend.

zebatov posted...

Love how nobody responded to #20 because they cant organise their feelings like that.

I actually quite agree that more needs to be done to isolate people coming into the country (testing wouldn't actually do much, given the incubation period and resultant need for everyone to isolate regardless of test results). My home province and one of the neighbouring ones has also had several clusters spawned by some foreign jackass from a shithole country that can't control Covid, who failed to isolate when he arrived, and that's especially annoying because they'd both been case-free for weeks prior to that. The difference, though, is that I'm not using that incident to justify barring all Americans from entering the country. Just to highlight the importance of enforcing self-isolation guidelines for travellers.

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Are TFWs even bringing covid into Canada? My understanding was that it was just spreading rapidly through them because their living and work conditions are shit. You see the same thing at pretty much all food plants. Most of the new cases are entering through the states.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Are TFWs even bringing covid into Canada? My understanding was that it was just spreading rapidly through them because their living and work conditions are shit. You see the same thing at pretty much all food plants.

That was also my understanding, but it also wouldn't surprise me to see the occasional one bringing a new case in. TC being TC, there's really not much reason to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that he's correct in this particular belief, but I'm feeling generous.

Blightzkrieg posted...

Most of the new cases are entering through the states.

Eeyup. Which is also a foreign country with alarmingly high case rates, but somehow, I don't think that's what TC's complaining about.

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adjl posted...

Eeyup. Which is also a foreign country with alarmingly high case rates, but somehow, I don't think that's what TC's complaining about.

You mean because Canada's blocked off the US? ....while apparently letting in people from other COVID hotspots? Maybe you can talk about that?

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zebatov posted...

Except most of it was wrong, Im just not going to bother responding to it because I dont feel like arguing with someone who willingly stays wrong.

This is the perfect summary of you as a user. You constantly say stupid, incorrect, xenophobic shit and then double down on it when you get called out.

for someone who I can safely say will never be able to emigrate to the country he wants to, you do nothing but bitch about immigrants.

Zeus posted...

You mean because Canada's blocked off the US?

On paper, but in practice, quite a few Americans are still coming in for various reasons. As alluded to earlier, one such American (travelling on a student visa) is single-handedly responsible for several clusters of new cases in Nova Scotia and PEI (the former of which had been case-free for 2-3 weeks, the latter for two months), which really leads to the question of why the border isn't more tightly closed when dealing with such a high-risk country.

Nova Scotia's now being considerably more stringent about self-isolation requirements, getting people entering the province to fill out a contact sheet indicating where they're going to be for the next two weeks and how to contact them. Based on that information, they'll be called daily to ensure they're still isolating, and if they miss three such calls, the police will be brought in to track them down and enforce compliance with the isolation order. Personally, I feel like that's too easy to lie one's way through and that they'd be better off just going with full-on house arrest bracelets, but I'm guessing they're going to wait and see how effective this strategy is before taking such a drastic measure.

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What "other COVID hotspots" is Zeus even referring to? I don't think I've seen any shooting thousands of non isolating virus carriers into our country every day.

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For that matter, no other country in the world is currently seeing case numbers like the US is in terms of raw numbers, and even if we look at per capita stats, they're among the highest. The US is THE Covid hotspot right now, as well as being the single greatest source by far of foreign nationals coming into Canada, even with the border ostensibly closed.

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zebatov posted...

It means Trudeau invited people from foreign countries with high cases of COVID to take jobs from us while Canadians without COVID were out of work. Turd is up on five ethics violations. Anyone defending him now is trolling.

zebatov posted...

Or maybe, just maybe, the person getting hired or promoted was actually better-qualified for the job, and no other reasoning went into the decision?

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keyblader1985 posted...

When you openly refuse to respond to a point someone else made, you don't really have the right to play that card. Just Saiyan.

I think you pronounce that wrong.

adjl posted...

And by "make up some bullshit," you mean "form a cohesive counterargument that I can't refute." We understand, dude. You don't have to pretend.

False.

Blightzkrieg posted...

Are TFWs even bringing covid into Canada? My understanding was that it was just spreading rapidly through them because their living and work conditions are shit. You see the same thing at pretty much all food plants. Most of the new cases are entering through the states.

Yes, and theyre all housed together, so most likely theyll all have it. And then theyll all be handling the fruit. I highly doubt theyd get sent home. And if they didnt purchase medical I suspect well be on the hook for it because were such a giving country.

@ Krazy Kirby

If only that made sense.

Cacciato posted...

This is the perfect summary of you as a user. You constantly say stupid, incorrect, xenophobic shit and then double down on it when you get called out.

Lol.

adjl posted...

Eeyup. Which is also a foreign country with alarmingly high case rates, but somehow, I don't think that's what TC's complaining about.

Those people are on visitor visas.

Im glad to know that its basically only PotD that doesnt agree with me. Cant count how many people brought this exact story up today at work, and we all agree.

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Although Washington has a fairly high case rate right now, and I dont think anyone should be crossing any borders unchecked.

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