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INCEPTlON 07/08/20 6:40:40 PM #1: |
Im just going to get up on this soap box real quick.
I had the first real talk with my parents about, well, the happenings in the world. Honestly our conversations are usually just about work or what we are doing the upcoming weekend. Theres a love between us, but weve never seen eye to eye on some really core issues in regards to humanity and that has always divided us. My sister has been away from my parents for about 5 years now, and its been both nice and sad to see my sister come to the same slow realization like I had when I moved a away. They are awful people. Theyve become so proudly racists, homophobic and judgmental. Its hard coming to terms with the fact that people that you know have good in them, can also be so vile. I know thats the cliche of every story about human nature, but it is a bitch to happen in real life. Its like a cognitive disconnect I cant process. --- FC: SW-8288-8096-1115 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nelson_Mandela 07/08/20 6:47:32 PM #2: |
INCEPTlON posted...
Its hard coming to terms with the fact that people that you know have good in them, can also be so vile.Posterity will feel the same way about you. Humans, and nature itself, are complicated. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anagram 07/08/20 6:49:36 PM #3: |
I understand what you mean. I have basically the same problem with my parents. There's nothing to be done, just accept it and move on.
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Nelson_Mandela 07/08/20 6:50:58 PM #4: |
No, you must leave them and destroy all memory of their existence. It is the only way to be truly anti-racist.
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KamikazePotato 07/08/20 6:55:24 PM #5: |
Anagram posted...
I understand what you mean. I have basically the same problem with my parents. There's nothing to be done, just accept it and move on. --- It's Reyn Time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Colegreen_c12 07/08/20 6:56:53 PM #6: |
Are they actually awful people?
Someone can be racist which is bad but if they still treat everyone with respect regardless of who they are I wouldn't say they were an awful person. A lot of these people just have deep-rooted prejudices from the time they grew up in. This is less important than how they act to others imo --- DPOblivion beat us all. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CaptainOfCrush 07/08/20 6:59:32 PM #7: |
Or you can have conversations with them in the hopes that they'll change for the better (unlikely the older you are, but not impossible). My parents were homophobic when I was a kid but wound up voting against Prop 8 (and thus, in support of gay marriage) in California in 2008. People can change.
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TomNook 07/08/20 7:15:33 PM #8: |
People naturally get more conservative as they age (generally speaking). Often it has something to do with dealing with plenty in their life, and they just want to be left alone and relax now that they are old. So when they are always seeing news telling them things are bad, blaming them, and asking them to change, they feel like they've had enough of it and the people involved which can lead to over the top points of views that they never had when they were younger (many of these people were involved in the free love era, which says a lot).
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LOLIAmAnAlt 07/08/20 7:15:46 PM #9: |
Everybody is judgemental
You are being so against them, whether you see it or not. I'd need examples or racism and homophobic behavior to see whats up. --- lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll ... Copied to Clipboard!
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INCEPTlON 07/08/20 7:20:08 PM #10: |
who cares if they hung some ******* up in a tree years ago. Dont got to take it down, it gives it character.
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Suprak the Stud 07/08/20 7:23:45 PM #11: |
Holy shit. I underestimated what you meant by "awful" by several orders of magnitude.
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Tom Bombadil 07/08/20 7:24:29 PM #12: |
It's the circle
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WazzupGenius00 07/08/20 7:27:36 PM #13: |
I basically dont interact with one side of my family anymore if at all possible. It helps that I work all weekend which is when they always have any sort of get-togethers. Once my dad dies I will probably have no connection to them any longer. The other side is borderline, my girl cousins are the only ones on that side that arent outspoken with bullshit beliefs, but they might just be smart enough to not say those things publicly. The rest are tolerable, nothing truly repugnant like on the other side of the family. My brother and sister are the only ones I am really okay with.
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pjbasis 07/08/20 7:33:50 PM #14: |
I cant imagine it was a slow transformation to say something like that.
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Paratroopa1 07/08/20 7:36:11 PM #15: |
Suprak the Stud posted...
Holy shit. I underestimated what you meant by "awful" by several orders of magnitude.I'm a little baffled at the people who underestimated quite frankly it's like you guys haven't heard of bullshit people before ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pjbasis 07/08/20 7:38:23 PM #16: |
I think its extremely understandable because people call each other the scum of the earth for the smallest transgressions
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Nelson_Mandela 07/08/20 7:42:01 PM #17: |
INCEPTlON posted...
who cares if they hung some ******* up in a tree years ago. Dont got to take it down, it gives it character.What do the asterisks refer to? This is a critical piece of information for me to evaluate whether they are okay or not. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red13n 07/08/20 7:43:45 PM #18: |
My parents are people that claim they are ok but every now and then you can catch them saying something overtly homophobic/racist. Very much a generational problem.
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Nelson_Mandela 07/08/20 7:46:34 PM #19: |
red13n posted...
My parents are people that claim they are ok but every now and then you can catch them saying something overtly homophobic/racist. Very much a generational problem.You absolutely need to publicly out them (especially to their employers if they're still working) whenever this happens. It's the only way to be truly anti-racist. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bane_Of_Despair 07/08/20 7:49:14 PM #20: |
Colegreen_c12 posted...
Someone can be racist which is bad butLol --- You were the cancer, that's all you'll ever be ...and when the Clouds cleared,Advokaiser stood alone as CBX Guru Champ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nelson_Mandela 07/08/20 7:52:24 PM #21: |
Bane_Of_Despair posted...
LolExactly. Any hint of racism, no matter what degree or context or rationale, no matter unconscious or not, automatically makes you irredeemably terrible. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 07/08/20 7:54:50 PM #22: |
If you want to actually influence someone, you need to first gain their trust so that when you tell them your opinion, they will think they should take it seriously.
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Lightning Strikes 07/08/20 8:01:01 PM #23: |
I was going to say try and reach out to them and help them change, but that example is a big yikes. I guess you still should but that is legitimately shocking.
I dont think racism is an inherently generational thing though. I think a lot of it is to do with culture and what we are exposed to. --- I just decided to change this sig. Blaaaaaaargh azuarc ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nelson_Mandela 07/08/20 8:03:15 PM #24: |
Lightning Strikes posted...
I was going to say try and reach out to them and help them change, but that example is a big yikes. I guess you still should but that is legitimately shocking.It doesn't matter. Racism will exist forever unless we call it out and publicly shame people for their thoughts and words. No second chances. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 07/08/20 8:04:36 PM #25: |
man sephy is really hungry for attention
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Bane_Of_Despair 07/08/20 8:04:59 PM #26: |
Isn't he always
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ChaosTonyV4 07/08/20 8:06:09 PM #27: |
Man I got lucky af with my parents, I guess
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skullbone 07/08/20 8:07:14 PM #28: |
Yeah his stance in this topic is pretty stupid so far
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Xiahou Shake 07/08/20 8:07:43 PM #29: |
Based on the first post this got a "man, that sucks, but maybe you can slowly bridge the gap" but then post #10 happened and uh, wow.
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Bane_Of_Despair 07/08/20 8:08:54 PM #30: |
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
Man I got lucky af with my parents, I guessYea I did too, my mom was super liberal and my dad was Republican but he slowly got more left as the years with my mom and children went by and now he trolls community friends of his that are Trump supporters on Facebook lol, something I found out recently --- You were the cancer, that's all you'll ever be ...and when the Clouds cleared,Advokaiser stood alone as CBX Guru Champ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nelson_Mandela 07/08/20 8:09:33 PM #31: |
If TC remains silent, isn't that just perpetuating racism? That is the same as being racist himself. He has to take action.
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Nelson_Mandela 07/08/20 8:10:32 PM #32: |
Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Yea I did too, my mom was super liberal and my dad was Republican but he slowly got more left as the years with my mom and children went by and now he trolls community friends of his that are Trump supporters on Facebook lol, something I found out recentlyGod your dad sounds so cool. You're very lucky indeed :) --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UshiromiyaEva 07/08/20 8:17:21 PM #33: |
How long did Sephs vow to stay out of political topics last. Was that 5 days ago?
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Nelson_Mandela 07/08/20 8:20:12 PM #34: |
UshiromiyaEva posted...
How long did Sephs vow to stay out of political topics last. Was that 5 days ago?Racial equality is more important than politics --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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banananor 07/08/20 8:20:38 PM #35: |
seph, stop
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skullbone 07/08/20 8:20:50 PM #36: |
He also vowed to leave the board forever after he got moderated for posting bullshit about COVID but obviously that didn't stick either.
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ChaosTonyV4 07/08/20 8:21:28 PM #37: |
Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Yea I did too, my mom was super liberal and my dad was Republican but he slowly got more left as the years with my mom and children went by and now he trolls community friends of his that are Trump supporters on Facebook lol, something I found out recently My parents views are especially weird. Theyre both working class and raised me in INDIANA, a Nurse and HVAC, and my mom moved to Wyoming and my dad owns his own business. Like just knowing those things youd think theyd be Republican af, my dads not particularly outspoken politically, but ever since W he has always told me Republicans are the party for stupid racists, while my mom is a textbook woke Lib lol, she was one of those fabled *shudder* Mayor Pete supporters. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Johnbobb 07/08/20 8:26:30 PM #38: |
My mom's stuff has been more disappointing than anything. Not outwardly racist, but typical middle aged Facebook mom nonsense about how talking about society's problems is the real problem. She's smart but often just stays willfully ignorant on some things (she only found out about the Catholic Church scandal like a year or two ago and I don't think she believes it)
Better than my cousin and uncle though, who go on Facebook to call Obama a corrupt n***** and talk about radical Muslims --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs ... Copied to Clipboard!
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INCEPTlON 07/08/20 8:26:39 PM #39: |
Oh I called them out, I absolutely called them out. It was awful, all of it.
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INCEPTlON 07/08/20 8:27:08 PM #40: |
pjbasis posted...
I cant imagine it was a slow transformation to say something like that. They put on a good show. --- FC: SW-8288-8096-1115 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Nelson_Mandela 07/08/20 8:27:32 PM #41: |
Johnbobb posted...
Better than my cousin and uncle though, who go on Facebook to call Obama a corrupt n***** and talk about radical MuslimsHave you contacted their employer? --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 07/08/20 8:27:35 PM #42: |
people trying to reason with seph in 2020 fucking lol
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Paratroopa1 07/08/20 8:28:10 PM #43: |
sephy is dying on a stupid hill? wow you don't fucking say, how out of character
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Nelson_Mandela 07/08/20 8:28:37 PM #44: |
INCEPTlON posted...
Oh I called them out, I absolutely called them out. It was awful, all of it.That's a good first step, but not enough I'm afraid. If you're not calling them out publicly, you're complicit in their bigotry. --- "A more mature answer than I expected."~ Jakyl25 "Sephy's point is right."~ Inviso ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 07/08/20 8:30:37 PM #45: |
ChaosTonyV4 posted...
My parents views are especially weird. Theyre both working class and raised me in INDIANA, a Nurse and HVAC, and my mom moved to Wyoming and my dad owns his own business. Your dad understands the old Republican Party under Bush extremely well. But if they were working class at the time, it's not surprising they didn't buy the BS about trickle down economics. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 07/08/20 8:33:20 PM #46: |
red sox 777 posted...
But if they were working class at the time, it's not surprising they didn't buy the BS about trickle down economics. trump also believes in trickle down economics --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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red sox 777 07/08/20 8:34:54 PM #47: |
Mr Lasastryke posted...
trump also believes in trickle down economics He does not believe it. He doesn't even pretend to believe it. His deal is to take from the upper middle class and redistribute that wealth 80% to the rich and 20% to the lower middle class. And you know what? That deal is vastly better than anything the Democrats are offering. Because they aren't offering any wealth redistribution at all. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 07/08/20 8:56:01 PM #48: |
red sox 777 posted...
He does not believe it. He doesn't even pretend to believe it. i thought he literally used the term but apparently it was hillary who was talking about "trumped up trickle down economics." trump has praised reagan as being one of the greatest presidents of all time, though. kind of hard to combine that with "trickle down economics sucks"! --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ChaosTonyV4 07/08/20 9:03:12 PM #49: |
Mr Lasastryke posted...
i thought he literally used the term but apparently it was hillary who was talking about "trumped up trickle down economics." Lasa allow me to introduce you to Donald Trump, he says conflicting shit all the time. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mr Lasastryke 07/08/20 9:07:57 PM #50: |
well, i was responding to the "he doesn't even pretend to believe it" part. pretty sure he at least SOMETIMES pretends to believe it (given that he has indeed taken both sides on 90% of the issues). no idea what he actually thinks about trickle down economics.
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