Current Events > Gacha Game General Topic 9: ''Out of gems, out of energy, out of sanity.''

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Tyranthraxus
07/05/20 2:49:34 AM
#251:


This game popped up on pre-register.

It's basically Zelda + Gacha

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.kakaogames.gdts

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Eab1990
07/05/20 3:57:31 AM
#252:


Genshin Impact is already Zelda + gacha though.

Speaking of which, I've been playing the CBT for that on PS4.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNXZdy-y1wA

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Meultima
07/05/20 5:58:38 AM
#253:


Galbias posted...
Yeah, Exusiai is probably better in this case. Curious, do you use s2 or s3 for general use? s2 always looked better to me but the friend support I have left it on s3.
Honestly I've never actually found a real need to go back to S2 after E2, for general use it feels like S3 is better for most content since her job is to eviscerate squishies and drones which it's better at and it's got a good enough uptime that I don't have to constantly click her, especially if I have Ptilopsis out it feels like basically 50% uptime.

the problem I have with the translation is less typos and more the fact that the dialogue is less outright errors and more it just being...bad. Lines that are awkward or don't make much sense happen constantly and it makes things a slog to read.
Oh yeah totally, don't mean to seem like I'm discounting all the other issues lol, fixing minor errors is a bandaid solution at best

Interesting, I'm definitely looking forward to more CC. I was actually thinking about investing in FEater awhile back because having a slow on top of the push would be nice but ultimately didn't, partly because I already have a sk 7 Shaw, and partly because I want Weedy though that won't be till after, I'm guessing. And Nearl and Liskarm are both ones I probably should E2 at some point, I do have way too many Defender Dualchips left over from E2-ing Ptilopsis.
I did prepare a S1M3 FEater for the last CC just for the avengers pretty much since she can cycle a couple base speed avengers indefinitely provided their positions aren't staggered, but S1L7 Shaw should be fine

As for Weedy she herself isn't really used for the S1 basic push role so she wouldn't directly compete with regular pushers

tbh I haven't actually gotten any skins either, it's kind of hard to justify them over rolls when the game is pretty stingy with rolls in the first place
To be fair 18 OP translates to just a bit over 5 pulls which isn't terrible but yeah

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YugiNoob
07/05/20 10:23:28 AM
#254:


Sooooo I was just messing around with the numbers. You know how you can get tokens to promote Operators in the certificate shop? Well since it takes 4 of them to do 1 promotion, it got me thinking how long it would take to do the full 5.

It takes roughly 2 minutes to clear Tough Siege AP-5 for me (time starts from pressing the start button, ending at the "stage clear" part)
You need 2,880 shop vouchers to get the 4 tokens to upgrade a 6 star Operator
You get either 20 or 21 vouchers per run (from my experience, so I just used 20.5 in the calculations)

That's about 281 minutes, or 4.68333~ hours to get one token, and 23.41666~ to get the full 4. And that's just one promotion; to get the full 5 that's over 117 hours D:

Another way of looking at this is the amount of time it'll take to wait for your sanity to recharge to fully promote a 6 star Operator. The 2,880 for a single promotion x 5 for the full = 14,400. Divide that by the average 20.5 vouchers per run = You need to do roughly 702 runs. With each run costing 30 sanity, that means you need 21,060 sanity total, and with a recharge rate of only 1 per 6 minutes...that's 126,360 minutes, or 2,106 hours, or 87.75 DAYS :<

too long; didn't math
117 hours of gameplay ALONE (not counting the in between stages) to fully upgrade a 6 star using vouchers
87.75 days of sanity recharging to get that much gameplay time :<

I think that's right. It's 4:23 A.M. so if my math is wrong don't get mad at bunny :<

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Galbias
07/05/20 1:09:34 PM
#255:


The Potential tokens in the red cert shop can only be bought up to 4, so you couldn't buy enough to max out one character even if you wanted to. But yeah, grinding out tokens for a 6* character's potential is very long, even taking into account the fact that you get 65 red certs weekly from grinding missions. It's mainly a thing to do because the ways of raising potential are super limited, and the only other reliable option (yellow cert shop) is somehow even worse.

Meultima posted...
Honestly I've never actually found a real need to go back to S2 after E2, for general use it feels like S3 is better for most content since her job is to eviscerate squishies and drones which it's better at and it's got a good enough uptime that I don't have to constantly click her, especially if I have Ptilopsis out it feels like basically 50% uptime.

Oh yeah totally, don't mean to seem like I'm discounting all the other issues lol, fixing minor errors is a bandaid solution at best

I did prepare a S1M3 FEater for the last CC just for the avengers pretty much since she can cycle a couple base speed avengers indefinitely provided their positions aren't staggered, but S1L7 Shaw should be fine

As for Weedy she herself isn't really used for the S1 basic push role so she wouldn't directly compete with regular pushers

To be fair 18 OP translates to just a bit over 5 pulls which isn't terrible but yeah

Neat, I do kind of like automatic skills to be honest on account of being lazy. Is there any particular reason you wouldn't use Weedy over Shaw/FEater?

And yeah, it's a surprisingly reasonable price. I do kind of wish the skins at least had different lines like the ones in Granblue though, just a visual change is pretty minor.
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Meultima
07/05/20 3:02:54 PM
#256:


Galbias posted...
Is there any particular reason you wouldn't use Weedy over Shaw/FEater?
Well what I meant is you'd (probably) rather use her for her other skills, just using her for her S1 that all Push specialists essentially share (A 5SP Strong push at M3) is almost a waste of what she can actually do since her S2 and S3 (And her deployable cannon) are what really sets her apart from Shaw/FEater.
(Of course sometimes you only have space to spare for one push specialist so since she's basically 2 units in 1 she'd likely be the best-in-slot)

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YugiNoob
07/05/20 6:26:11 PM
#257:


Wat. Those tokens dont refresh? Its seriously just those four permanently <_<

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Galbias
07/05/20 8:07:01 PM
#258:


Red cert shop has only refreshed once ever afaik (to replace Cuora/FEater with Ethan/Breeze + new set of tokens), even in CN. I'm assuming they'll refresh it again at some point but it might be awhile.

Meultima posted...
Well what I meant is you'd (probably) rather use her for her other skills, just using her for her S1 that all Push specialists essentially share (A 5SP Strong push at M3) is almost a waste of what she can actually do since her S2 and S3 (And her deployable cannon) are what really sets her apart from Shaw/FEater.
(Of course sometimes you only have space to spare for one push specialist so since she's basically 2 units in 1 she'd likely be the best-in-slot)

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The Catgirl Fondler
07/05/20 8:10:44 PM
#259:


tbh I haven't actually gotten any skins either, it's kind of hard to justify them over rolls when the game is pretty stingy with rolls in the first place


I remember getting some skins for the characters I owned, but OP is scarce if you don't buy it, so I ran out quickly and never went back into the costume shop for months prior to quitting.
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ZeroX91
07/05/20 9:35:00 PM
#260:


Touch posted...
Yep



Although that might be the solo PvP, from what I've been hearing Guild battles are pretty much the same thing but yeah. All 15 members need to be online since it's real time
Everyone doesnt have to be on i did a 1 vs 15 yesterday...they invited me to join after which was nice. Just made the guild to finish the rookie missions (gets you a free better caster alice than the one the grand opening event gets you). Cleric Red Ridinghood seems basically the same as healer snowwhite its the only preimum skin so far..might be one for cinderella.

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Calwings
07/05/20 10:56:00 PM
#262:


Today in random gacha collaboration events: A Certain Magical Index + Konosuba is happening in the (Japan-only) Index: Imaginary Fest game.

https://www.reddit.com/r/gachagaming/comments/hl5viq/index_imaginary_fest_x_konosuba_collab_confirmed/

The best part of this collab is the main trait that the two male leads share.

https://i.imgur.com/9rhFQSR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/rKUQiSu.jpg

Whether you're a guy, a girl, neither, or both, they don't care. They'll punch everyone equally, because they believe in gender equality.
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legendarylemur
07/05/20 11:22:46 PM
#263:


Anybody still playing SinoAlice? Not 100% sure if I should roll more or some broken ass shit releases 10 days later

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YugiNoob
07/05/20 11:45:43 PM
#264:


I deleted it day one <_<

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ZeroX91
07/05/20 11:50:17 PM
#265:


legendarylemur posted...
Anybody still playing SinoAlice? Not 100% sure if I should roll more or some broken ass shit releases 10 days later
The rates seem pretty bad got the pinocio tome that unlocks the caster class like 15 times havent seen either of the two other banner weapons (that also come with classes). Got a pretty crazy debuff weapon out of it though.

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Tyranthraxus
07/06/20 12:17:36 AM
#266:


It's not worth playing SINoALICE you will just get frustrated with the pulls.

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legendarylemur
07/06/20 2:14:29 AM
#267:


ZeroX91 posted...
The rates seem pretty bad got the pinocio tome that unlocks the caster class like 15 times havent seen either of the two other banner weapons (that also come with classes). Got a pretty crazy debuff weapon out of it though.
Yeah I started the game with Alice/Cleric, my last roll rolled the Pinocchio/Mage as well.

Crazily, I saw the featured list of the initial pulls, saw Alice and was like oh man she cute, I would prob just go with it if I roll her. Then I got her on the first roll lol. I had no idea at the time that ppl would spend an eternity rerolling

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YugiNoob
07/06/20 2:22:16 AM
#268:


I mean yeah, to their credit, rerolling is the one thing they did right. As soon as the game starts they're basically like "Let's get rolling and you can re-do this as much as you want!" lol

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legendarylemur
07/06/20 2:39:57 AM
#269:


I also ranked up on Mahjong Soul. I'm only Adept atm, and I could've done it a while ago, finally found some motivation to do it. Still no clue how to get any rolls or do anything. No clue what 90% of the items do, but at least the mahjong itself is just mahjong

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Eab1990
07/06/20 2:43:20 AM
#270:


legendarylemur posted...
I also ranked up on Mahjong Soul. I'm only Adept atm, and I could've done it a while ago, finally found some motivation to do it. Still no clue how to get any rolls or do anything. No clue what 90% of the items do, but at least the mahjong itself is just mahjong

Go to items --> gifts and select the donate button. Tier 1 gifts are worth 1 point, tier 2 are worth 5, tier 3 are worth 25. You need 50 points to get one summon scroll, and you can buy five summon scrolls a month.

...And that's about it. They've given out maybe one or two free scrolls since I started ~3 months ago, so yeah.

The $5 fortune charm is a decent bang for your buck, but between that and the shitty rates, it's best to hoard until that Saki collab, I guess.

The orbs are basically the game's equivalent of marriage, so to speak. If you look at each character's bond section, once you hit bond 5 (max bond), you can unlock an outfit for them with the necessary orbs and other materials. It's a long-term thing though.

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Touch
07/07/20 10:57:38 PM
#271:


If I get back into Dragalia Lost now, what should I reroll for? Looking for a secondary game to Romancing Saga

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Tyranthraxus
07/07/20 11:18:21 PM
#272:


Touch posted...
If I get back into Dragalia Lost now, what should I reroll for? Looking for a secondary game to Romancing Saga
Ugh man don't reroll now. You just missed Cat Sith. Wait for the expected Gala for the end of this month and then get back in.

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Touch
07/08/20 12:03:41 AM
#273:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Ugh man don't reroll now. You just missed Cat Sith. Wait for the expected Gala for the end of this month and then get back in.
Alrighty. Guess I'll tune into this thread to see when it starts @__@

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Galbias
07/08/20 9:57:36 PM
#274:


62 rolls on Blaze banner without getting her now, at about 44 pity...I have 8 more rolls if I convert OP thanks to the extra from Chapter 6, plus a bit more from Anni and missions, I could actually have a decent chance at another 6*. I'm honestly kind of not looking forward to holding rolls for Bagpipe for 3 months after the Nian banner after getting screwed on the last two banners I went in on. Hm...

also I know I said that I was considering saving green certs for rolls earlier, but that was before I tried farming Loxic Kohl manually. 4-4 is the best stage to do it and on top of being a terrible stage in general, it's like 30-50% longer on auto-deploy than most other stages.
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YugiNoob
07/08/20 10:12:35 PM
#275:


Galbias posted...
62 rolls on Blaze banner without getting her now, at about 44 pity...I have 8 more rolls if I convert OP thanks to the extra from Chapter 6, plus a bit more from Anni and missions, I could actually have a decent chance at another 6*. I'm honestly kind of not looking forward to holding rolls for Bagpipe for 3 months after the Nian banner after getting screwed on the last two banners I went in on. Hm...

also I know I said that I was considering saving green certs for rolls earlier, but that was before I tried farming Loxic Kohl manually. 4-4 is the best stage to do it and on top of being a terrible stage in general, it's like 30-50% longer on auto-deploy than most other stages.
Assuming you mean individual rolls, consider yourself lucky so far. It took me 19 10-pulls to get her, and I didnt get another copy with a few more tries later

Also my first pull had 5 of that new angel sniper :<

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Galbias
07/09/20 1:09:49 AM
#276:


YugiNoob posted...
Assuming you mean individual rolls, consider yourself lucky so far. It took me 19 10-pulls to get her, and I didnt get another copy with a few more tries later

Also my first pull had 5 of that new angel sniper :<

How...how much did it cost?

also yeah, it seems normal to get spammed with whatever 4* rateup is there. I have Ambriel maxed and 2 copies of Greythroat.
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YugiNoob
07/09/20 1:47:55 AM
#277:


Galbias posted...
How...how much did it cost?
https://youtu.be/SFWspiLfIOg?t=112

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Sexypwnstar
07/09/20 1:57:08 AM
#278:


What are upcoming games to be hyped about?

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Meultima
07/09/20 2:02:22 AM
#279:


Galbias posted...
also I know I said that I was considering saving green certs for rolls earlier, but that was before I tried farming Loxic Kohl manually. 4-4 is the best stage to do it and on top of being a terrible stage in general, it's like 30-50% longer on auto-deploy than most other stages.
Hahah, I've actually started farming that stage recently after having used up my Grani Event stockpile. I kinda like the stage itself actually as it's possible to approach as a sort of silly puzzle stage with just Shaw as your lone deployment for Crownslayer, though I end up just deploying normally for farming to make it faster. Fortunately looks like the next event (Ancient Forge) will have a good Kohl farming stage, probably the main mat to farm in the event.
But yeah HH tickets are pretty darn expensive greentix-wise, especially on Tier 2.


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legendarylemur
07/09/20 2:06:25 AM
#280:


Still mystified by wtf to do in Mahjong Souls. First gift I've ever seen them hand out and I dunno if I should gold dust them or whatever

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Stagmar
07/09/20 11:50:21 AM
#281:


Azur Lane added some new Priority Research ships (powerful, but very grind heavy to get and upgrade and not needed for any content) today. I find the OP for them vaguely threatening.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A89SocJ7de8

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Calwings
07/09/20 1:03:41 PM
#282:


Sexypwnstar posted...
What are upcoming games to be hyped about?

The only one I'm interested in is Tales Of Crestoria.
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Tyranthraxus
07/09/20 1:54:50 PM
#283:


Calwings posted...
The only one I'm interested in is Tales Of Crestoria.

I'd be interested if it was actual tales combat. I've played enough turn based RPGs to know how that story will end.

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Stagmar
07/09/20 3:14:34 PM
#284:


Calwings posted...
The only one I'm interested in is Tales Of Crestoria.
Same. Personally, I couldn't care less about the combat. Combat isn't why I play Tales games. All I care about combat-wise is that the main and event stories can be done without whaling (which will probably be unlikely given who it is).

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Calwings
07/09/20 4:16:37 PM
#285:


When the gacha anime is aware of how much pain and suffering the gacha inflicts on the players and uses it for comedy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PCq555xt6A

We know that feel, Tae. We all do.
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PokeCris
07/09/20 11:43:48 PM
#286:


Summer Patia and Mikoto are coming

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Tyranthraxus
07/10/20 1:09:09 AM
#287:


Take the only shirtless guy in the cast and cover him up for a summer alt.

I mean come on now.

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Touch
07/10/20 1:42:58 AM
#288:


PokeCris posted...
Summer Patia and Mikoto are coming
So is this the reroll time or wait for the gala still? Lol

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Tyranthraxus
07/10/20 2:05:15 AM
#289:


Touch posted...
So is this the reroll time or wait for the gala still? Lol

Need to wait for the banner first to see what it's like. That said chances are at this point you will be better off rerolling on this banner because you'll be ready for the summer event which will be a raid + facility getting you a pretty good free unit and a facility for bows and daggers which are stronk

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YugiNoob
07/10/20 2:25:01 AM
#290:


JESUS CHRIST MONKEYBALLS.

So I'm playing Harbingers: Last Survival, and like basically all idle games, it really encourages whaling. But the extents that some people go...

Picture this: There's this awesome waifu named Hasan, and you can only get her by getting 100 of her fragments. Harbingers is one of those games where you can directly summon characters or use fragments, but there are like 2 characters that you HAVE to use fragments for, and you can only get decent amounts of them during special events. During this event, there's a ranking where the highest ranking players get Hasan fragments, and people whale the fuck out. Some major whaling incentives are ranking for the most gems spent in a day, most VIP points, and strongest team power.

And imagine this. A regular 10 pull costs 2,000 gems. The dude who got first place in the daily gem spent thing spent OVER 220,000 fucking gems. Not saying that was all summons, but that's a shit ton of premium currency. Second place spent over 200K, and 3rd place was still in the 6 digits.

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Eab1990
07/11/20 5:02:30 AM
#291:


I hit pity rate in Genshin Impact, and pulled... another guy.

https://genshin-impact.fandom.com/wiki/Chongyun

Gee, good thing is just the beta. I sure hope the real thing isnt like this.

In Djibril news, the new gacha girl looks cute.

https://twitter.com/denjib_official/status/1281861488446042112

Was gonna go all in with... my 25 rolls worth of gems, but I miraculously pulled her at 15. Rateup was not a lie for once.

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Calwings
07/11/20 1:56:31 PM
#292:


It's best girl's birthday in Revue Starlight ReLIVE and I just dumped all my star gems into her birthday banner.

https://i.imgur.com/3HNZyD6.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/GagRPZr.jpg

Today is a bana-nice day indeed.
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Galbias
07/11/20 2:36:59 PM
#293:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Take the only shirtless guy in the cast and cover him up for a summer alt.

I mean come on now.

ah, the ol "swimsuit is less revealing than actual outfit"

Meultima posted...
Hahah, I've actually started farming that stage recently after having used up my Grani Event stockpile. I kinda like the stage itself actually as it's possible to approach as a sort of silly puzzle stage with just Shaw as your lone deployment for Crownslayer, though I end up just deploying normally for farming to make it faster. Fortunately looks like the next event (Ancient Forge) will have a good Kohl farming stage, probably the main mat to farm in the event.
But yeah HH tickets are pretty darn expensive greentix-wise, especially on Tier 2.

The concept of "build your own maze" is kind of interesting and not a terrible idea in and of itself, but the execution, and more specifically the way that you have multiple enemy spawn points leading to multiple exits and the game only tells you which goes to which once, makes it way too difficult to keep track of things. That and Crownslayer's "jump over your guys" gimmick kind of necessitates cheesing her with Shaw.

Of course, none of this matters when you're doing autodeploy, but I tried to do 4-4 CM recently which makes the enemies move quickly enough that even if you are following a guide, getting the blocks in place fast enough is difficult, so the annoyance at the stage is still fresh in my mind.

I don't have any characters I particularly want to promote right now, so I'm not in a huge hurry to get Loxic Kohl anyways. Though Angelina is in the yellow cert shop...actually really tempting if I can squeeze out 18 more certs in 12 days, though her inability to attack at all when she's not using s3 still bugs me a bit. Suzuran seems maybe a tiny bit better overall but she won't be for a long time anyways.

YugiNoob posted...


https://youtu.be/SFWspiLfIOg?t=112

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legendarylemur
07/11/20 4:05:05 PM
#294:


On a massive losing streak on Mahjong Souls. I'm also wasting a bunch of money I feel like so that doesn't help

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Shotgunnova
07/11/20 6:42:31 PM
#295:


Finally got Ibuki, thanks to all those EXP things the game added recently. Gonna go for Roon now, but all my Ironblood ships are hot garbage. I think Graf Zeppelin is 96 and Z23 is 102, but nothing else comes close.



Also got a nice drop in GF:


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Meultima
07/11/20 11:19:59 PM
#296:


Galbias posted...
I don't have any characters I particularly want to promote right now, so I'm not in a huge hurry to get Loxic Kohl anyways. Though Angelina is in the yellow cert shop...actually really tempting if I can squeeze out 18 more certs in 12 days, though her inability to attack at all when she's not using s3 still bugs me a bit. Suzuran seems maybe a tiny bit better overall but she won't be for a long time anyways.
Yeah I'm about 40 short from Angelina myself.
The main thing to keep in mind about Ange though is that her S3 is on a ridiculously low 25SP cooldown (Faster than Exusiai even) compared to most other nuke options so it's not entirely outlandish to have it active during every peak mob hour especially with Ptilopsis around; as the skill lasts 25 seconds at M3 she'll actually have higher uptime than not that way. Sure Suzuran's S2 is permanent but it also takes 80SP at M3 to get going (plus it's still weaker in terms of range and units hit). Despite her damage debuff her main advantages over Angelina actually come from her defensive utility lol

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Calwings
07/12/20 1:41:41 PM
#297:


https://twitter.com/starlightrelive/status/1282268616428105730?s=19

Neat, there's going to be a BanG Dream collab event in Revue Starlight ReLIVE. This is one of those collabs that makes 100% sense (since they're both Bushiroad music franchises) and everyone on both sides wanted it, but it just hadn't happened yet for some reason or another. No idea when (or if) it'll come to EN. Hopefully it's not soon, because I want to pull for that Karen but I don't have any star gems left after Banana's birthday.
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Galbias
07/13/20 2:46:52 PM
#298:


71 rolls on the Blaze banner and got Hoshiguma. That's 3 times in a row now I've gotten boned by a random non rateup 6*...Would've preferred nothing (so I could save the pity for Bagpipe) or even a dupe, getting enough yellow certs for Angelina might be iffy at this point (need 14 more, 10 days left)

Meultima posted...
Yeah I'm about 40 short from Angelina myself.
The main thing to keep in mind about Ange though is that her S3 is on a ridiculously low 25SP cooldown (Faster than Exusiai even) compared to most other nuke options so it's not entirely outlandish to have it active during every peak mob hour especially with Ptilopsis around; as the skill lasts 25 seconds at M3 she'll actually have higher uptime than not that way. Sure Suzuran's S2 is permanent but it also takes 80SP at M3 to get going (plus it's still weaker in terms of range and units hit). Despite her damage debuff her main advantages over Angelina actually come from her defensive utility lol

Yeah, it's more of a personal nitpick than a serious flaw in her skillset. Suzuran's s3 does seem maaaaybe better, it doesn't do any direct damage but it increases the weakening effect (so I'm assuming all of your other attacks do 140% damage) and unlike Angelina s3 it should have a consistent slow. The healing part doesn't really jive with the slowing though.

also, looking at Suzuran's skillset again, I really don't understand why she has a SP buff for other Supporter operators when she covers both of the primary Supporter jobs (slowing and debuffing)
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Spidey5
07/13/20 3:41:54 PM
#299:


Did some rolls on the anniversary FGO banner and GSSR banners.

Walked away with
Skadi
Zhuge (x4)
Liz (x5)
Martha (x2)
Tamamo
Sherlock Holmes
Amakusa (Kill me)
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Tyranthraxus
07/13/20 5:11:04 PM
#300:


The Mikoto & Patia banner for DL starts in 2 days. Mikoto is a Light Bow unit and Patia is Shadow unknown (sword maybe?).

I'll keep you up to date if it's worth rerolling for them or if you should wait for the summer event proper which has some of the best units on the game right now including Summer Celliera.

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Touch
07/13/20 5:13:06 PM
#301:


Tyranthraxus posted...
The Mikoto & Patia banner for DL starts in 2 days. Mikoto is a Light Bow unit and Patia is Shadow unknown (sword maybe?).

I'll keep you up to date if it's worth rerolling for them or if you should wait for the summer event proper which has some of the best units on the game right now including Summer Celliera.
Mmkay thanks fam <3

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