Poll of the Day > 34 y/o Man's MOTHER IN LAW Pretended to be UNDERAGE Online to TRICK HIM!!!

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34 y/o Ryan Mitchell Budde from Iowa was sentenced to 11 YEARS in the big house for receiving and distributing child porn and was caught with the help of his MOTHER IN LAW as revealed by DailyMail

He was also ordered to serve 6 years of supervised release following his imprisonment.

The Clinton native has to pay $100 to the Crime Victims' Fund and 5000 in restitution and he must register as a sex offender

He plead guilty to the charges as court documents show his wife, now named Keri Butler, learned her husband was talking to underage boys and asking for photos for them and he told her he'd stop but Butler's family didn't believe him...

His mother in law in particular DID NOT believe him but did not have proof to bust him either so she took it upon herself to go UNDERCOVER where she PRETENDED to be a 15 y/o boy and began to communicate with him online and then within 2 weeks expressed interest in meeting him for "sex" and convinced him to agree to the secret meeting.

That exchange prompted Keri to divorce him right away and the mother in law brought the chat info to police who then busted him after receiving a cyber tip after pictures of underage boys were uploaded to Tumblr and an email address traced back to him

Authorities seized 2 cellphones and 2 Toshiba Laptops from him finding 365 images of child porn that were deemed sexually explicit between May 19 2016 and November 21st of that year

Budde also had searches of "boy porn" on his search history.

He also taught at a YOUTH CHURCH as Budde himself pretended to be a 15 y/o virgin while talking to someone claimed to be a 17 y/o boy as face photos were exchanged between the 2

Although what his mother in law did COULD be considered "entrapment", police believe the crimes he committed years prior with the 2016 photos were enough for a conviction as a judge agreed and found him guilty on all counts.

Do you think what the mother in law did was "entrapment"?

Ryan - Pedobear going to the bighouse

https://i.imgur.com/YQnHJEx.jpg

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https://i.imgur.com/hP6zmfJ.jpg

The Mother in Law whose name was not released -

https://i.imgur.com/X8dgobq.jpg

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mrduckbear posted...

Do you think what the mother in law did was "entrapment"?

Well, that's kinda literally entrapment, unless it specifically needs the law to be involved.
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I mean, on the one hand it was literally entrapment.

On the other hand, I'm finding it hard to empathize with the dude if he was under the impression that the individual was underaged.

Also, since they found that he had CP as a result of the investigation, I'm ok with the guillotine being used on either head.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

I mean, on the one hand it was literally entrapment.

On the other hand, I'm finding it hard to empathize with the dude if he was under the impression that the girl was underaged.

Boy...
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LinkPizza posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

I mean, on the one hand it was literally entrapment.

On the other hand, I'm finding it hard to empathize with the dude if he was under the impression that the girl was underaged.

Boy...

Yeah, I reread the op and edited accordingly, but overall it really doesn't matter to me if he thought he was talking to a 15 yo boy or girl, he's still a pedo piece of shit.
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I dont understand dudes going for teenage boys.

Teenage boys are nasty.
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bulbinking posted...

I dont understand dudes going for teenage boys.

Teenage boys are nasty.

Maybe he likes the puberty... Idk. I usually date people around my age... Or older in a lot of cases...
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Aaantlion posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Do you think what the mother in law did was "entrapment"?

Well, that's kinda literally entrapment, unless it specifically needs the law to be involved.

You clearly don't understand how entrapment works. It is pretty unlikely that she put the idea to meet up for sex with a teenage boy in his head. The more likely scenario is that she made a profile as a 15-year-old boy and chatted with him until he asked to meet up, much like any To Catch a Predator style sting.

JTekashiro posted...

Aaantlion posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Do you think what the mother in law did was "entrapment"?

Well, that's kinda literally entrapment, unless it specifically needs the law to be involved.

You clearly don't understand how entrapment works. It is pretty unlikely that she put the idea to meet up for sex with a teenage boy in his head. The more likely scenario is that she made a profile as a 15-year-old boy and chatted with him until he asked to meet up, much like any To Catch a Predator style sting.

Except it sounds like she asked him to meet for sex. But I cant tell from the way its written...
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JTekashiro posted...

Aaantlion posted...

mrduckbear posted...

Do you think what the mother in law did was "entrapment"?

Well, that's kinda literally entrapment, unless it specifically needs the law to be involved.

You clearly don't understand how entrapment works. It is pretty unlikely that she put the idea to meet up for sex with a teenage boy in his head. The more likely scenario is that she made a profile as a 15-year-old boy and chatted with him until he asked to meet up, much like any To Catch a Predator style sting.

I guess you didnt know that they often never prosecuted the creepers caught on that show. A lot of DAs apparently refused to take those cases on due to the nature if how the person was caught

JTekashiro posted...

much like any To Catch a Predator style sting.

Which is also technically entrapment...
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Just don't be a creepy predator. Is that so hard?

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Just don't be a creepy predator. Is that so hard?

It is for pedophiles

OhhhJa posted...

It is for pedophiles

And others: rapists, molesters, teenage creepers, gropers, peeping toms, etc.

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Innocent people dont do bad things. I dont care how they catch bad people, as long as they do.

VioletMassacre posted...

Were the so called child porn actual cp or was it all nudes of teen boys? I didn't get the impression that he was a actual kiddie fiddler. Hell, meeting up someone supposedly 15 isn't as bad as, you know, raping little kids.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

he's still a pedo piece of shit.

Not really. According to the OP he even talked to someone that was supposedly 17, almost a legal adult. It could be way, way worse.

Bullshit. It was implicit in this case that the person in question was 15. I talk to adults all day. I don't hit on teenagers. Sure, my daily routine could be way worse, but why defend a fucking pedophile? Full stop.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

VioletMassacre posted...

Were the so called child porn actual cp or was it all nudes of teen boys? I didn't get the impression that he was a actual kiddie fiddler. Hell, meeting up someone supposedly 15 isn't as bad as, you know, raping little kids.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

he's still a pedo piece of shit.

Not really. According to the OP he even talked to someone that was supposedly 17, almost a legal adult. It could be way, way worse.

Bullshit. It was implicit in this case that the person in question was 15. I talk to adults all day. I don't hit on teenagers. Sure, my daily routine could be way worse, but why defend a fucking pedophile? Full stop.

I think they are saying he its better than he was a Ephebophile instead of a pedophile. Because a pedophile is worse...

Also, when they mentioned the 17 year old, they were talking about the case where he pretended to be 15 and talked to a 17 year old, I think. The one that got him caught was when the mom pretended to be a 15 year old. I believe they were talking about the other situation...
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Entrapment? Yes
Fair? Also yes.
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LinkPizza posted...

Also, when they mentioned the 17 year old, they were talking about the case where he pretended to be 15 and talked to a 17 year old, I think. The one that got him caught was when the mom pretended to be a 15 year old. I believe they were talking about the other situation...

What fucking world do you live in where any of that is ok? Because no matter how you try and spin this, it is NOT OK. We're not talking about a Romeo and Juliet case here where an 18yo HS senior is dating a 16yo sophomore.

This is a grown assed man either pretending to be a minor in order to lure minors or knowingly trying to procure a minor. Full stop.

Fuck anyone that even tries to pull that ephebophile vs pedophile argument as if that's supposed to somehow excuse or normalize that shit.

There is no defense for a 34yo "MAP" knowingly preying on a child.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Also, when they mentioned the 17 year old, they were talking about the case where he pretended to be 15 and talked to a 17 year old, I think. The one that got him caught was when the mom pretended to be a 15 year old. I believe they were talking about the other situation...

What fucking world do you live in where any of that is ok? Because no matter how you try and spin this, it is NOT OK. We're not talking about a Romeo and Juliet case here where an 18yo HS senior is dating a 16yo sophomore.

This is a grown assed man either pretending to be a minor in order to lure minors or knowingly trying to procure a minor. Full stop.

Fuck anyone that even tries to pull that ephebophile vs pedophile argument as if that's supposed to somehow excuse or normalize that shit.

There is no defense for a 34yo "MAP" knowingly preying on a child.

When did I say it was ok? The answer is I didn't. I was saying it sounds like you're talking about two different cases. It sounded like he was mentioning something about the case where he was pretending to be 15. And you were talking about the case when the mom was pretending to be 15.

But there is a difference between pedophile and ephebophile, hence why they are called different things...
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LinkPizza posted...

But there is a difference between pedophile and ephebophile, hence why they are called different things...

There's a difference between a grizzly and a brown bear too but you don't want either in your fucking campsite at night.

I will never entertain this trying to draw a distinction between a pedophile/ephebophile shit because it's just trying to normalize an aberrant behavior. There is literally no explanation a pedo apologist is going to give me that makes that ok.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

I will never entertain this trying to draw a distinction between a pedophile/ephebophile shit because it's just trying to normalize an aberrant behavior.

It's trying to set distinctions, just as we don't treat violent rape the same as continuing for a little after she said no halfway through despite both being simply rape.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

LinkPizza posted...

But there is a difference between pedophile and ephebophile, hence why they are called different things...

There's a difference between a grizzly and a brown bear too but you don't want either in your fucking campsite at night.

I will never entertain this trying to draw a distinction between a pedophile/ephebophile shit because it's just trying to normalize an aberrant behavior. There is literally no explanation a pedo apologist is going to give me that makes that ok.

No one is trying to normalize anything. But they are different things...
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Caught him talking to teen boys sexually. Asked him to stop.....

Wait, what?

wether it's entrapment would depend on the exact conversation.
if you (appear to) push someone to commit a crime it is entrapment.
if you're just making yourself available while your "mark" suggests criminal activity it's not entrapment.

from the information presented here it's impossible to know which it is

arv thinks the real issue is judging by how the mother looks what does the daughter look like.. geeeeeeez
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VioletMassacre posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

It was implicit in this case that the person in question was 15.

So, in other words, nothing inherently wrong. Remember that many places have 14 as the AoC and 16 isn't any more uncommon.

What fucking world do you live in where any of that is ok?

This dude has many problems, liking teens isn't one of them.

I will never entertain this trying to draw a distinction between a pedophile/ephebophile shit because it's just trying to normalize an aberrant behavior.

Yes, because there's barely a difference between going after 7-year olds (you know, an actual pedophile) and someone wanting to get with teens that actually are legal.

There's literally nowhere in America where a 35yo man can get with a 14yo legally, get fucked.

This isn't the wild west. This isn't mideival Europe. This is a grown fucking man trying to bugger a child. He can't vote. He can't buy cigarettes. He can't join the military. He can't get a tattoo. He can't buy alcohol.

A child.

It doesn't matter if he's 7 or 15, this is NAMBLA territory and there's no semantic game you're going to play at that makes manipulating a child for sexual gratification ok.
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He said sex. Not marry. Which is different. And depending on where you are, the state laws say whether you can have sex with someone of a different age. Most are 16-18 in the US. While 15 is illegal in most places, it's still vastly different than having sex with a 7 year old. most normal people can see and understand that. Also, it doesn't make since comaring it to other things that have their own age limits. Like voting and buying cigarettes. Even a legal adult from the ages of 18-20 can't buy alcohol. So, are you saying 18-20 years old can't have sex because they can't buy alcohol?
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LinkPizza posted...

While 15 is illegal in most places, it's still vastly different than having sex with a 7 year old. most normal people can see and understand that.

No, outing yourself as a fucking pedophile claiming "normal people" would fuck 15 year olds is sick, and I have to mark your account as a pedo now. This is not normal behavior. Look at the laws you claim to cite and overwhelmingly you're going to find the age limit comes with a "within 3 or 5 years" type caveat. A Romeo and Juliet clause. Not a blanket exception for 35 year old men to fuck children.

This is exactly what I was calling out when I said trying to normalize this sick NAMBLA shit.

LinkPizza posted...

Also, it doesn't make since comaring it to other things that have their own age limits. Like voting and buying cigarettes. Even a legal adult from the ages of 18-20 can't buy alcohol. So, are you saying 18-20 years old can't have sex because they can't buy alcohol?

Again, thank you for outing yourself as a sick pedo apologist. Seek help. This is not OK.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

No, outing yourself as a fucking pedophile claiming "normal people" would fuck 15 year olds is sick, and I have to mark your account as a pedo now. This is not normal behavior. Look at the laws you claim to cite and overwhelmingly you're going to find the age limit comes with a "within 3 or 5 years" type caveat. A Romeo and Juliet clause. Not a blanket exception for 35 year old men to fuck children.

This is exactly what I was calling out when I said trying to normalize this sick NAMBLA shit.

I didn't say that. But thanks for putting words in my mouth. I said normal people would understand that having sex is vastly different from having sex with 7 year old. And that most normal people would understand that. Where did I say that it's normal for people to have sex with 15 years olds? Oh! That's right. Nowhere. Because I didn't say that. Maybe if you calm down, you'd be able to read correctly...

Also, not all of them cite that rule. Many states have a romeo and Juliet clause (or something similar). But not all of them. We've had this discussion in the many topics about teachers having sex with students and such. There were some states that didn't list an appropriate age difference. Whether the site messed up, or just didn't know, Idk.

And nobody is trying to normalize it. You just seem to think that.

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Again, thank you for outing yourself as a sick pedo apologist. Seek help. This is not OK.

Outing myself as what? All I see is you making outrageous claims because you can't calm down long enough to make a coherent argument... All you're doing is yelling and screaming at us. And making false claims. But whatever...
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LinkPizza posted...

I didn't say that. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.

LinkPizza posted...

While 15 is illegal in most places, it's still vastly different than having sex with a 7 year old. most normal people can see and understand that.

Your own words prove you wrong. Don't try and backpedal now that your pedo-apologism has been laid bare for all to see.

LinkPizza posted...

And nobody is trying to normalize it. You just seem to think that.

LinkPizza posted...

While 15 is illegal in most places, it's still vastly different than having sex with a 7 year old. most normal people can see and understand that.

No. Most "normal" people don't see things that way. You know who does? People that make goddamned excuses for fucking pedophile pieces of shit, that's who.

You're literally making excuses for a 30-odd year old man trying to fuck a 15yo boy. If that doesn't give you pause for self reflection, you really need to admit what you're doing here.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Your own words prove you wrong. Don't try and backpedal now that your pedo-apologism has been laid bare for all to see.

When did I backpedal? I said the same thing both times. Having sex with a 7 is vastly different than a 15 year old. Where did I backpedal?

WhiskeyDisk posted...

No. Most "normal" people don't see things that way. You know who does? People that make goddamned excuses for fucking pedophile pieces of shit, that's who.

No. Most normal people do know that having sex with a 15 year old is different than a 7 year old. And all you're doing is making a fool of yourself. Insulting me because you think a 7 year old and a 15 year old are exactly the same. When they clearly aren't.

Nothing you're saying is even making any sense. It's like you're randomly quoting things and think you're making an argument...
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LinkPizza posted...

While 15 is illegal in most places, it's still vastly different than having sex with a 7 year old.

Indeed. One is a kid the other is a teen. Still a "child" molester but meh.
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wwinterj25 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

While 15 is illegal in most places, it's still vastly different than having sex with a 7 year old.

Indeed. One is a kid the other is a teen. Still a "child" molester but meh.

Definitely. It's still bad to have sex with either of them. But there's still a difference...
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LinkPizza posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Your own words prove you wrong. Don't try and backpedal now that your pedo-apologism has been laid bare for all to see.

When did I backpedal? I said the same thing both times. Having sex with a 7 is vastly different than a 15 year old. Where did I backpedal?

WhiskeyDisk posted...

No. Most "normal" people don't see things that way. You know who does? People that make goddamned excuses for fucking pedophile pieces of shit, that's who.

No. Most normal people do know that having sex with a 15 year old is different than a 7 year old. And all you're doing is making a fool of yourself. Insulting me because you think a 7 year old and a 15 year old are exactly the same. When they clearly aren't.

Nothing you're saying is even making any sense. It's like you're randomly quoting things and think you're making an argument...

No, you're making excuses for a fucking 30+ year old man that's trying to fuck a child. Full fucking stop. This is not OK, and I don't give a flying fuck what semantic game you're playing at here, THIS IS NOT OK.

I'm not randomly quoting things, I'm holding you to your own words. Words that try to normalize the sexual predation by a grown assed man upon a child. A 7 year old IS different than a 15 year old. They're still both children. A housecat is different than a sheep too, but you'd be hard pressed to convince me that fucking either is OK just because they're different.

You're making excuses for sexual predation upon a child. There is no spinning that you sick fuck.
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LinkPizza posted...

But there's still a difference...

The difference doesn't matter though as far as I know. I don't imagine you get less prison time the older they are.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

LinkPizza posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Your own words prove you wrong. Don't try and backpedal now that your pedo-apologism has been laid bare for all to see.

When did I backpedal? I said the same thing both times. Having sex with a 7 is vastly different than a 15 year old. Where did I backpedal?

WhiskeyDisk posted...

No. Most "normal" people don't see things that way. You know who does? People that make goddamned excuses for fucking pedophile pieces of shit, that's who.

No. Most normal people do know that having sex with a 15 year old is different than a 7 year old. And all you're doing is making a fool of yourself. Insulting me because you think a 7 year old and a 15 year old are exactly the same. When they clearly aren't.

Nothing you're saying is even making any sense. It's like you're randomly quoting things and think you're making an argument...

No, you're making excuses for a fucking 30+ year old man that's trying to fuck a child. Full fucking stop. This is not OK, and I don't give a flying fuck what semantic game you're playing at here, THIS IS NOT OK.

I'm not randomly quoting things, I'm holding you to your own words. Words that try to normalize the sexual predation by a grown assed man upon a child. A 7 year old IS different than a 15 year old. They're still both children. A housecat is different than a sheep too, but you'd be hard pressed to convince me that fucking either is OK just because they're different.

You're making excuses for sexual predation upon a child. There is no spinning that you sick fuck.

I'm not making excuses. What he did is wrong and disgusting. But I was adding on to something said earlier. And they were right that having sex with a 15 year old and a 7 year old are two different things. I mentioned that he was an ephebophile, which is different from a pedophile. Still bad, but different...

Again, putting words in my mouth. When did I try to normalize it? I didn't. You are randomly quoting things. Quoting what I said and saying I'm backpedaling, when I said the exact same thing, for example.

Also, one is a teen. And almost legal age. It's still wrong, because there are under age. And will be for a 1-3 years, depending on the state. But pretending they are exactly the same is wrong. And you know it. They probably would want a 7 year old having sex at all. But a 15 year old having sex with someone in their age group is ok. There are still difference based on age. And 15 and 7 are different.

I'm not. You just assume I am because you're having trouble understanding what I'm saying. probably because you went 0-120 in the anger scale. Maybe calm down a read what I'm saying because tossing around baseless accusations. And how about you stop insulting me. Calling me names based no literally nothing...
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wwinterj25 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

But there's still a difference...

The difference doesn't matter though as far as I know. I don't imagine you get less prison time the older they are.

Probably not... At least, I would think so...
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LinkPizza posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

LinkPizza posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Your own words prove you wrong. Don't try and backpedal now that your pedo-apologism has been laid bare for all to see.

When did I backpedal? I said the same thing both times. Having sex with a 7 is vastly different than a 15 year old. Where did I backpedal?

WhiskeyDisk posted...

No. Most "normal" people don't see things that way. You know who does? People that make goddamned excuses for fucking pedophile pieces of shit, that's who.

No. Most normal people do know that having sex with a 15 year old is different than a 7 year old. And all you're doing is making a fool of yourself. Insulting me because you think a 7 year old and a 15 year old are exactly the same. When they clearly aren't.

Nothing you're saying is even making any sense. It's like you're randomly quoting things and think you're making an argument...

No, you're making excuses for a fucking 30+ year old man that's trying to fuck a child. Full fucking stop. This is not OK, and I don't give a flying fuck what semantic game you're playing at here, THIS IS NOT OK.

I'm not randomly quoting things, I'm holding you to your own words. Words that try to normalize the sexual predation by a grown assed man upon a child. A 7 year old IS different than a 15 year old. They're still both children. A housecat is different than a sheep too, but you'd be hard pressed to convince me that fucking either is OK just because they're different.

You're making excuses for sexual predation upon a child. There is no spinning that you sick fuck.

I'm not making excuses. What he did is wrong and disgusting. But I was adding on to something said earlier. And they were right that having sex with a 15 year old and a 7 year old are two different things. I mentioned that he was an ephebophile, which is different from a pedophile. Still bad, but different...

Again, putting words in my mouth. When did I try to normalize it? I didn't. You are randomly quoting things. Quoting what I said and saying I'm backpedaling, when I said the exact same thing, for example.

Also, one is a teen. And almost legal age. It's still wrong, because there are under age. And will be for a 1-3 years, depending on the state. But pretending they are exactly the same is wrong. And you know it. They probably would want a 7 year old having sex at all. But a 15 year old having sex with someone in their age group is ok. There are still difference based on age. And 15 and 7 are different.

I'm not. You just assume I am because you're having trouble understanding what I'm saying. probably because you went 0-120 in the anger scale. Maybe calm down a read what I'm saying because tossing around baseless accusations. And how about you stop insulting me. Calling me names based no literally nothing...

If you can't admit what you were trying to say, that's your own problem. The backpedaling because you were called on it changes nothing. You were trying to make excuses for this pedophile and there is no wiggle room between a 34 year old man and a 15 year old. Saying "at least he wasn't trying to fuck a 7 year old" IS trying to normalize this kind of shit. My accusations aren't baseless, they're literally confirmed by your posts.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

If you can't admit what you were trying to say, that's your own problem. The backpedaling because you were called on it changes nothing. You were trying to make excuses for this pedophile and there is no wiggle room between a 34 year old man and a 15 year old. Saying "at least he wasn't trying to fuck a 7 year old" IS trying to normalize this kind of shit. My accusations aren't baseless, they're literally confirmed by your posts.

I said what I said. Which is that having sex with a 15 year old is different from having sex with a 7 year old. That's still the same. You said I backpedaled, but quoting me saying what I just said in this very post and claimed that I was backpedaling. Which is what I don't understand. When did I make excusing for him. I never said that what he did was ok. So, there you go again putting words in my mouth. And someone else said that whole, "At least he wasn't a "kiddie fiddler" in their words. Maybe actually go back to find that post. It's on page 2 (if 10 posts per page), if you're having trouble. All I said was that they were different. Not that it was ok because they were 15. I said both are bad. And you're accusations are baseless. You're blaming what someone else said on me, for one. If you can't even remember who said something, then how can you even make accusations. Also, it's baseless because you know nothing about me other than our conversation. Which gives you no real insight on my life. So, yes. You are definitely making baseless accusations...
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LinkPizza posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

If you can't admit what you were trying to say, that's your own problem. The backpedaling because you were called on it changes nothing. You were trying to make excuses for this pedophile and there is no wiggle room between a 34 year old man and a 15 year old. Saying "at least he wasn't trying to fuck a 7 year old" IS trying to normalize this kind of shit. My accusations aren't baseless, they're literally confirmed by your posts.

I said what I said. Which is that having sex with a 15 year old is different from having sex with a 7 year old. That's still the same. You said I backpedaled, but quoting me saying what I just said in this very post and claimed that I was backpedaling. Which is what I don't understand. When did I make excusing for him. I never said that what he did was ok. So, there you go again putting words in my mouth. And someone else said that whole, "At least he wasn't a "kiddie fiddler" in their words. Maybe actually go back to find that post. It's on page 2 (if 10 posts per page), if you're having trouble. All I said was that they were different. Not that it was ok because they were 15. I said both are bad. And you're accusations are baseless. You're blaming what someone else said on me, for one. If you can't even remember who said something, then how can you even make accusations. Also, it's baseless because you know nothing about me other than our conversation. Which gives you no real insight on my life. So, yes. You are definitely making baseless accusations...

Squirm all you like. I quoted the relevant parts, in your own words. If you can't own up to them, perhaps you should reevaluate making excuses for pedophiles.

VioletMassacre posted...

LinkPizza is sane enough to say basically everything I could say, so I won't repeat everything. But I will point out that 15, which is the age we're stuck on here, actually is completely legal in my country. So good riddance?

Oh, and yes, it is completely normal to be sexually attraced to teens since they have the sexual characteristics needed for it, which an actual child doesn't. It's a problem if you only like young teens though.

You too. "Sane enough" to say fucking a child is ok because the child wasn't younger is not ok.

Just because closet or semi-closeted pedophiles and pedophile apologists can normalize or justify this shit to themselves and each other doesn't make this ok. This isn't negotiable. This isn't a spectrum.

This is not ok. Full stop.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Squirm all you like. I quoted the relevant parts, in your own words. If you can't own up to them, perhaps you should reevaluate making excuses for pedophiles.

So, just baseless accusations and putting words in my mouth. I see. Well, I'm here if you actually want to talk. But I see that you probably won't. Anyway, it doesn't matter. You're just a random person on the internet who knows nothing about me. And has trouble comprehending what people are saying. And also, has trouble reading usernames, apparently. So, whatever...
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LinkPizza posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Squirm all you like. I quoted the relevant parts, in your own words. If you can't own up to them, perhaps you should reevaluate making excuses for pedophiles.

So, just baseless accusations and putting words in my mouth. I see. Well, I'm here if you actually want to talk. But I see that you probably won't. Anyway, it doesn't matter. You're just a random person on the internet who knows nothing about me. And has trouble comprehending what people are saying. And also, has trouble reading usernames, apparently. So, whatever...

I quoted your own words. Stop trying to muddy the waters by bringing up a person I never quoted and then imply I'm putting words in your mouth when I'm quoting YOUR POSTS.

Posts that seek to normalize the sexual predation upon a 15yo by a man in his 30s. I don't need to know your life story to know that's wrong. "It could have been worse, the victim could have been younger" doesn't excuse what he was doing.

If you don't want to be accused of defending a fucking pedophile, maybe don't defend a pedophile.

The only discussion to be had here is "why are you defending a pedophile?"

Full Stop.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

LinkPizza posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

Squirm all you like. I quoted the relevant parts, in your own words. If you can't own up to them, perhaps you should reevaluate making excuses for pedophiles.

So, just baseless accusations and putting words in my mouth. I see. Well, I'm here if you actually want to talk. But I see that you probably won't. Anyway, it doesn't matter. You're just a random person on the internet who knows nothing about me. And has trouble comprehending what people are saying. And also, has trouble reading usernames, apparently. So, whatever...

I quoted your own words. Stop trying to muddy the waters by bringing up a person I never quoted and then imply I'm putting words in your mouth when I'm quoting YOUR POSTS.

Posts that seek to normalize the sexual predation upon a 15yo by a man in his 30s. I don't need to know your life story to know that's wrong. "It could have been worse, the victim could have been younger" doesn't excuse what he was doing.

If you don't want to be accused of defending a fucking pedophile, maybe don't defend a pedophile.

The only discussion to be had here is "why are you defending a pedophile?"

Full Stop.

Actaully, you did quote them a few times when talking to them. But you also said to me:
WhiskeyDisk posted...

Saying "at least he wasn't trying to fuck a 7 year old"

Which I didn't say. A different person did. I'm not trying to muddy the waters. You're just lying about who said what. Or maybe just confused. When you quoted my post, you kept acting like I was changing what I was saying when I was saying the same thing. Or changing what I was saying and pretending I was saying something different.

And I never tried to normalize it. In the US, sex with a 15 year old after a certain age is illegal. I never said it wasn't. I also didn't try to normalize it. Saying it's different from having sex with a 7 year old (which it is) doesn't mean I'm trying to normalize it. That's just some sick fantasy in your head.

OI never defended him, either. Also, that's not how it works. You're aren't a criminal because you defend a criminal. But not I understand that you don't even know how people act. I guess if anyone ever thinks they're family member is innocent of something, I guess they should be guilty of the same thing, according to you...

I'm not defending a pedophile. Do you have proof? Don't worry. I can't answer that for you. No, you don't...
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VioletMassacre posted...

WhiskeyDisk posted...

The only discussion to be had here is "why are you defending a pedophile?"

First of all everyone must be on the same page on what a pedophile is, and you clearly have no clue since you seem to go on emotional tantrums instead of using logic.

Tricking people, especially younger, into sex is wrong. Having sex with a 15 year old is both wrong or right depending on your regional laws. The attraction isn't inherently wrong though.

Also, they are right. Instead of using logic, you seem to have been on an emotionally charged tantrum this whole time. Plus, you don't seem to know what pedophile is. Even if I was defending him, which I'm not, he's not a pedophile by the definition of the word...
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VioletMassacre posted...

First of all everyone must be on the same page on what a pedophile is, and you clearly have no clue since you seem to go on emotional tantrums instead of using logic.

Tricking people, especially younger, into sex is wrong. Having sex with a 15 year old is both wrong or right depending on your regional laws. The attraction isn't inherently wrong though.

mrduckbear posted...

34 y/o Ryan Mitchell Budde from Iowa

https://www.ageofconsent.net/states/iowa

"The Iowa Age of Consent is 16 years old. In the United States, the age of consent is the minimum age at which an individual is considered legally old enough to consent to participation in sexual activity. Individuals aged 15 or younger in Iowa are not legally able to consent to sexual activity, and such activity may result in prosecution for statutory rape.

Iowa statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under age 16. A close in age exemption allows teens aged 14 and 15 to consent to partners less than 4 years older. Regardless of age, it is also illegal for a school employee to engage in sexual intercourse with a current student or even a student who attended school within 30 days of such a violation."

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"The Age of Consent ranges state-by-state from 16 to 18 years old across the United States. Click the map to view any state's age of consent laws."

Are we on the same page now? Good.

This man was 34, do pay attention since that key detail was in the topic title.

Now that we're on the same page, why are you defending this pedophile?
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