Poll of the Day > Is it really fair for MtF trans athletes to compete in women's sports?

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Lil_Bit83
10/24/19 1:01:17 AM
#101:


Fuck sakes! What time period do some of you people come from again? Training hard in your chosen sport will give you muscles, endurance and stamina.

A professional athlete of any gender is clearly going to outdo some average person whose most rigorous workouts were during mandatory p.e. at school.


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PKMNsony
10/24/19 1:05:01 AM
#103:


Lil_Bit83 posted...
Fuck sakes! What time period do some of you people come from again? Training hard in your chosen sport will give you muscles, endurance and stamina.

A professional athlete of any gender is clearly going to outdo some average person whose most rigorous workouts were during mandatory p.e. at school.


Way to completely miss the point and then get mad at everyone else about it dude...
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Lil_Bit83
10/24/19 1:09:32 AM
#104:


PKMNsony posted...
Way to completely miss the point and then get mad at everyone else about it dude...


How am I missing the point by pointing out that people who work and train hard at a sport deserve a shot to compete equally?

Doesn't matter if they're male, female or transitioning. It doesn't seem to be an issue in some other sports.

I have lots of relatives who have all been playing soccer for years on mixed teams without issue.

You people aren't very bright are you?

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Noop_Noop
10/24/19 1:13:01 AM
#105:


Lil_Bit83 posted...
PKMNsony posted...
Way to completely miss the point and then get mad at everyone else about it dude...


How am I missing the point by pointing out that people who work and train hard at a sport deserve a shot to compete equally Einstein? Doesn't matter if they're male, female or transitioning. It doesn't seem to be an issue in some other sports. I have lots of relatives who have all been.playing soccer for years on mixed teams. But

You people aren't very bright are you?


Yeah, he pretty much nailed it. You missed the point entirely and now you seem to be raging at nothing.
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Lil_Bit83
10/24/19 1:18:10 AM
#106:


I find it odd that a generation of people who screech about inclusiveness are so quick to try and divide it. Not to mention they willfully ignore the fact that people have successfully broken down barriers you people are so quick and willing to ressurect.

Is common sense and brains going to be injected back into the general population anytime soon?

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Dreaming_King
10/24/19 6:46:45 AM
#107:


Lil_Bit83 posted...
How am I missing the point by pointing out that people who work and train hard at a sport deserve a shot to compete equally?

Doesn't matter if they're male, female or transitioning. It doesn't seem to be an issue in some other sports.

I have lots of relatives who have all been playing soccer for years on mixed teams without issue.


Seriously this. People say that it's somehow unfair to women because it puts them at a disadvantage but that's bull. If a woman can't keep up with a man then she just isn't trying as hard as he is that's all.

Like the time the U.S. National women's soccer team got beaten by an under 15 boy's team, or when both Serena and Venus got trashed by a mediocre male player in the same day. Being at the top of your tier and unchallenged just makes you complacent, mixing everyone together will only result in better athletes all around.
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Kyuubi4269
10/24/19 6:51:43 AM
#108:


Lil_Bit83 posted...
I find it odd that a generation of people who screech about inclusiveness are so quick to try and divide it.

This may surprise you, but these are two separate groups. It's the people obsessed with inclusiveness trying to let MtF crack women's bones, the rest are looking for competitive matches.

Dreaming_King posted...
Like the time the U.S. National women's soccer team got beaten by an under 15 boy's team

Implying world class players are phoning it in but an under 15s team is under massive pressure to perform.
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LeetCheet
10/24/19 7:43:48 AM
#109:


The_tall_midget posted...
bulbinking posted...
The one thing men can never beat a woman in is making life but modern western women dont seem to care about that anymore.


I mean, it's not like the ability to create a life is anything important, celebrated, or worth mentioning as far as humanity is concerned, right?


Why create new life when its so much easier to just import fully developed adults from other countries?

Skipping that whole annoying growing up and going to school thing that costs so much money.

I see this as an absolute win!
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Mead
10/24/19 8:08:34 AM
#110:


trans people are like 0.2% of the population but this board is like 97% obsessed with them
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Fam_Fam
10/24/19 8:09:59 AM
#111:


Dreaming_King posted...
Lil_Bit83 posted...
How am I missing the point by pointing out that people who work and train hard at a sport deserve a shot to compete equally?

Doesn't matter if they're male, female or transitioning. It doesn't seem to be an issue in some other sports.

I have lots of relatives who have all been playing soccer for years on mixed teams without issue.


Seriously this. People say that it's somehow unfair to women because it puts them at a disadvantage but that's bull. If a woman can't keep up with a man then she just isn't trying as hard as he is that's all.

Like the time the U.S. National women's soccer team got beaten by an under 15 boy's team, or when both Serena and Venus got trashed by a mediocre male player in the same day. Being at the top of your tier and unchallenged just makes you complacent, mixing everyone together will only result in better athletes all around.


finally someone who gets it
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yutterh
10/24/19 8:44:50 AM
#112:


Since everyone is coming up with analogy's of why it is wrong i have my own. It's like shooting games having crossplay between console and PC. Sure PC basically has teh same stuff, but the mouse and keyboard just gives them such a huge advantage over a controller its just plain not fair. Then imagine giving these people records for fastest turn around shot, most accurate aiming, etc. Get the picture?
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PK_Spam
10/24/19 8:49:16 AM
#113:


Trans people are disproportionally more likely to suffer from sexual and violent assault, and if this topic doesnt reinforce that theyre unfairly discriminated against, I dont know what will.

Statistics like that do not exist in a bubble.

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Kyuubi4269
10/24/19 9:45:25 AM
#114:


PK_Spam posted...
Trans people are disproportionally more likely to suffer from sexual and violent assault

Trans people are vastly more likely to engage in rape by deception, and a man is vastly more likely to hit what they see as a man than a woman.

Maybe if these attempted rapists were more honest, they wouldn't be at heightened risk.

And just for kicks, I'll float a more controversial idea. People say trans are mentally ill. The mentally ill are more likely to suffer from violent encounters so that matches up. The mentally ill are more likely to commit suicide, as are trans, seems like there's a trend.

You know what does exist in a bubble? Trans people's perception of their own gender.
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PK_Spam
10/24/19 11:18:26 AM
#115:


This is really the worst possible take you could have

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WoIverine
10/24/19 11:29:23 AM
#116:


yutterh posted...
Since everyone is coming up with analogy's of why it is wrong i have my own. It's like shooting games having crossplay between console and PC. Sure PC basically has teh same stuff, but the mouse and keyboard just gives them such a huge advantage over a controller its just plain not fair. Then imagine giving these people records for fastest turn around shot, most accurate aiming, etc. Get the picture?
This post deserves more attention. Well said.
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SunWuKung420
10/24/19 11:30:18 AM
#117:


It's most likely unfair to let MtF's compete verses born-females.
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CarefreeDude
10/24/19 12:57:58 PM
#118:


Rather than separating male and female athletes, maybe we should do something similar to wrestling weight classes; measure something like muscle mass or testosterone levels or something.

Then let both men and women participate in each class.
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Kyuubi4269
10/24/19 1:01:34 PM
#119:


CarefreeDude posted...
Rather than separating male and female athletes, maybe we should do something similar to wrestling weight classes; measure something like muscle mass or testosterone levels or something.

Then let both men and women participate in each class.

The Paralympics does it best, their afflictions are weighted by severity so you have a woman with a missing arm swimming against a midget. You could have classes like soyboys vs butch lesbians.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
10/24/19 1:09:02 PM
#120:


Aaantlion posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
WoIverine posted...
Mead posted...
Oh cool lets have this topic again
Theres the door.


just get him to whine and block you like he did to me.
then he won't be in your topics


I kinda wonder how many people he's blocked so far, especially because after a certain point it seems like it'd be easier for him to just not use the board. Not that I can exactly complain about being blocked since I feel a lot better without having to deal with his constant stream of toxicity and negativity, not to mention the troll topics and other pointlessly provocative topics.

Jfc the irony.
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Noop_Noop
10/24/19 2:13:37 PM
#121:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
You could have classes like soyboys vs butch lesbians.


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Zeus
10/24/19 2:57:57 PM
#122:


Lil_Bit83 posted...
Fuck sakes! What time period do some of you people come from again? Training hard in your chosen sport will give you muscles, endurance and stamina.

A professional athlete of any gender is clearly going to outdo some average person whose most rigorous workouts were during mandatory p.e. at school.



...lolwut? If you feel that training can overcome anything, then why don't men and women just compete together? Why have separate divisions at all?

Lil_Bit83 posted...
How am I missing the point by pointing out that people who work and train hard at a sport deserve a shot to compete equally?


But they're not competing equally. They have substantial unfair advantages.

Lil_Bit83 posted...
Doesn't matter if they're male, female or transitioning. It doesn't seem to be an issue in some other sports.


...it makes a pretty fucking big difference if they have substantially higher testosterone levels, considering that we can ban performance enhancement drugs giving that same effect. If a natural woman can't take supplements to have the same testosterone level as a transitioning male, they're at a pretty massive disadvantage.

Lil_Bit83 posted...
I have lots of relatives who have all been playing soccer for years on mixed teams without issue.


There are virtually no professional mixed teams (and usually when there are, like in badminton, it's restricted to the same numbers on each side). Why do you think that is? The problem isn't that the world explodes when men and women compete against each other -- which seems to be your incredibly stupid belief -- but that there are massive competitive differences between the sexes.
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bulbinking
10/24/19 4:47:41 PM
#123:


Mead posted...
trans people are like 0.2% of the population but this board is like 97% obsessed with them


And like 1/3rd of oscar movies are based around them.
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CarefreeDude
10/24/19 5:11:19 PM
#124:


Speaking of men vs women, there is this one adult video series I enjoy that pits men vs women in naked wrestling. Some of these matchups are downright unfair.
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Mead
10/24/19 6:04:15 PM
#125:


bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
trans people are like 0.2% of the population but this board is like 97% obsessed with them


And like 1/3rd of oscar movies are based around them.


I bet you actually think this lol
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bulbinking
10/24/19 8:06:10 PM
#126:


Mead posted...
bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
trans people are like 0.2% of the population but this board is like 97% obsessed with them


And like 1/3rd of oscar movies are based around them.


I bet you actually think this lol


Its called sarcasm.

Its far more than 0.2% though
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Mead
10/24/19 8:09:44 PM
#127:


bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
trans people are like 0.2% of the population but this board is like 97% obsessed with them


And like 1/3rd of oscar movies are based around them.


I bet you actually think this lol


Its called sarcasm.

Its far more than 0.2% though


That might be because minorities in the population are notoriously disenfranchised by most people and that overcoming that can be the foundation of a compelling story

Nah Im sure its just twitter SJWs demanding trans roles in all film
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bulbinking
10/24/19 8:58:48 PM
#128:


Mead posted...
bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
trans people are like 0.2% of the population but this board is like 97% obsessed with them


And like 1/3rd of oscar movies are based around them.


I bet you actually think this lol


Its called sarcasm.

Its far more than 0.2% though


That might be because minorities in the population are notoriously disenfranchised by most people and that overcoming that can be the foundation of a compelling story

Nah Im sure its just twitter SJWs demanding trans roles in all film


Sorry but I dont like to fetishize the underdog like most americans do.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
10/25/19 3:09:25 AM
#129:


bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
trans people are like 0.2% of the population but this board is like 97% obsessed with them


And like 1/3rd of oscar movies are based around them.


I bet you actually think this lol


Its called sarcasm.

Its far more than 0.2% though


That might be because minorities in the population are notoriously disenfranchised by most people and that overcoming that can be the foundation of a compelling story

Nah Im sure its just twitter SJWs demanding trans roles in all film


Sorry but I dont like to fetishize the underdog like most americans do.

So ya weren't being sarcastic.
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bulbinking
10/25/19 3:44:45 AM
#130:


FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
bulbinking posted...
Mead posted...
trans people are like 0.2% of the population but this board is like 97% obsessed with them


And like 1/3rd of oscar movies are based around them.


I bet you actually think this lol


Its called sarcasm.

Its far more than 0.2% though


That might be because minorities in the population are notoriously disenfranchised by most people and that overcoming that can be the foundation of a compelling story

Nah Im sure its just twitter SJWs demanding trans roles in all film


Sorry but I dont like to fetishize the underdog like most americans do.

So ya weren't being sarcastic.


About?
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