Poll of the Day > Is it really fair for MtF trans athletes to compete in women's sports?

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WoIverine
10/22/19 2:00:50 AM
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Dave Chappelle did a gag about it in his new stand up special and it kind of rings true. Biologically speaking, isnt it basically dudes with vaginas steamrolling chicks?
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Lokarin
10/22/19 2:01:52 AM
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Sports segregation is in the way of equality.
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WoIverine
10/22/19 2:05:01 AM
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Lokarin posted...
Sports segregation is in the way of equality.
What? But we as men are like, twice as strong as the average woman. Its like having a boxing match with a featherweight vs a heavyweight.

Its unfair.
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Mead
10/22/19 2:06:16 AM
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Oh cool lets have this topic again
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hypnox
10/22/19 2:07:39 AM
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There is a HUGE thing going on how Male to female trans are winning all the records in many women sports. A lot of the higher ups in the various competitions are working to make changes to balance it back out to maybe your sex and not gender. There are also thoughts of maybe playing around with an idea of male, female, and trans divisions.
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WoIverine
10/22/19 2:08:13 AM
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Mead posted...
Oh cool lets have this topic again
Theres the door.
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Mead
10/22/19 2:28:43 AM
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WoIverine posted...
Mead posted...
Oh cool lets have this topic again
Theres the door.


Thats just the edge of my phone screen

Stop calling everything a door
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WoIverine
10/22/19 2:30:25 AM
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Mead posted...
WoIverine posted...
Mead posted...
Oh cool lets have this topic again
Theres the door.


Thats just the edge of my phone screen

Stop calling everything a door
Alright I admit I laughed.
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Zareth
10/22/19 2:41:58 AM
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Mead posted...
WoIverine posted...
Mead posted...
Oh cool lets have this topic again
Theres the door.


Thats just the edge of my phone screen

Stop calling everything a door

That's just the edge of my monitor

Stop calling everything a phone screen
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Krow_Incarnate
10/22/19 2:48:31 AM
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Anyone with a brain says hell the fuck no.

But people's sensibilities and all that.

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Lokarin
10/22/19 3:27:45 AM
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WoIverine posted...
Lokarin posted...
Sports segregation is in the way of equality.
What? But we as men are like, twice as strong as the average woman. Its like having a boxing match with a featherweight vs a heavyweight.

Its unfair.


No it's not, a person should be happy to climb the ranks and be in about 700th place in the world when there's so many billions people.
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RoboXgp89
10/22/19 3:29:07 AM
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women are practically a different species as far as sports go outside of figure skating gymnastics and track
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Metalsonic66
10/22/19 3:32:44 AM
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Yeah I saw the movie Juwanna Mann

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TheWitchMorgana
10/22/19 3:35:25 AM
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WoIverine posted...
Dave Chappelle did a gag about it

oh well in that case it must be scholarly in nature
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joemodda
10/22/19 3:38:12 AM
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Women are just bad at being women. They need to stop being lazy and pull themselves up by the bootstrap
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WoIverine
10/22/19 3:48:47 AM
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TheWitchMorgana posted...
WoIverine posted...
Dave Chappelle did a gag about it

oh well in that case it must be scholarly in nature
Now I remember why I blocked you on my alt account.
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Kyuubi4269
10/22/19 3:53:45 AM
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WoIverine posted...
Lokarin posted...
Sports segregation is in the way of equality.
What? But we as men are like, twice as strong as the average woman. Its like having a boxing match with a featherweight vs a heavyweight.

Its unfair.

It's inequitable, it's not unequal. Just as the best woman doesn't get paid as much as the best man, the best woman doesn't get to rank as high as the best man.

Of course in reality we don't really care who's GOAT, we just want to watch close competition.
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Mead
10/22/19 3:53:48 AM
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WoIverine posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
WoIverine posted...
Dave Chappelle did a gag about it

oh well in that case it must be scholarly in nature
Now I remember why I blocked you on my alt account.


Whoa you sure showed her
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WoIverine
10/22/19 3:54:59 AM
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Mead posted...
WoIverine posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
WoIverine posted...
Dave Chappelle did a gag about it

oh well in that case it must be scholarly in nature
Now I remember why I blocked you on my alt account.


Whoa you sure showed her
Now I remember why I blocked you on my alt account too.
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WoIverine
10/22/19 3:57:17 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
WoIverine posted...
Lokarin posted...
Sports segregation is in the way of equality.
What? But we as men are like, twice as strong as the average woman. Its like having a boxing match with a featherweight vs a heavyweight.

Its unfair.

It's inequitable, it's not unequal. Just as the best woman doesn't get paid as much as the best man, the best woman doesn't get to rank as high as the best man.

Of course in reality we don't really care who's GOAT, we just want to watch close competition.
Yeah but it throws things even further out of wack when the best woman used to be a man herself.
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Kyuubi4269
10/22/19 4:21:31 AM
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WoIverine posted...
Yeah but it throws things even further out of wack when the best woman used to be a man herself.

Which is the problem. It's not unequal, but we like well-balanced matches. She's within the rules, but this highlights how the rules don't suit close competition.
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Krazy_Kirby
10/22/19 5:03:26 AM
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WoIverine posted...
Mead posted...
Oh cool lets have this topic again
Theres the door.


just get him to whine and block you like he did to me.
then he won't be in your topics
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Krazy_Kirby
10/22/19 5:04:40 AM
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guys beating women in sports... thats a surprise
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Mead
10/22/19 5:20:06 AM
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WoIverine posted...
Mead posted...
WoIverine posted...
TheWitchMorgana posted...
WoIverine posted...
Dave Chappelle did a gag about it

oh well in that case it must be scholarly in nature
Now I remember why I blocked you on my alt account.


Whoa you sure showed her
Now I remember why I blocked you on my alt account too.


Whoa you sure showed me
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Aaantlion
10/22/19 5:38:36 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
WoIverine posted...
Mead posted...
Oh cool lets have this topic again
Theres the door.


just get him to whine and block you like he did to me.
then he won't be in your topics


I kinda wonder how many people he's blocked so far, especially because after a certain point it seems like it'd be easier for him to just not use the board. Not that I can exactly complain about being blocked since I feel a lot better without having to deal with his constant stream of toxicity and negativity, not to mention the troll topics and other pointlessly provocative topics.
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Krazy_Kirby
10/22/19 6:02:58 AM
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i'm sure he still reads comments. either logged off or on an alt.

hi mead.
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CTLM
10/22/19 6:34:23 AM
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It's not fair at all. But in this day and age where people who complain the loudest get their way, they got what they wanted. They brought this on themselves.

I hope MtF guys crush every record and all the competition along the way until people fix the mess they created.
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Mead
10/22/19 6:50:59 AM
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CTLM posted...
But in this day and age where people who complain the loudest get their way


He says with no sense of irony
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Dreaming_King
10/22/19 7:07:32 AM
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Why wouldn't it be? Men and women are completely equal and the only differences are created by a sexist society. Cis females could retain those records if they just tried harder, so all the inclusion of trans females does is foster more effort on their part.
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PK_Spam
10/22/19 7:10:24 AM
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A big part of the issue is that trans people literally cant even do shit in sports, much less break records, without transphobes being like tHeY cAn OnLy Do ThAt BeCaUsE tHeYrE a MaN!!!1!1!

Before we even touch the issue of do trans men have an advantage over cis women, we need to address the elephant in the room of the fact that MUCH of this criticism comes from people who already have a bone to pick with trans people just for actually being alive.

I am not trans nor am Im really a sports person, so me weighing in on this issue is kinda fraught. But people really need to get theirs heads out of their asses and address their own shit, and the myriad of issues in the sports industry with mens sports now, instead of pulling hypothetical men are just better than womenzzzzz arguments with no data other than men more muscular

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EvilMegas
10/22/19 7:20:29 AM
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Is it fair for LeBron or Jordan to have played basketball, since they are so much better than the rest.
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Kyuubi4269
10/22/19 7:33:46 AM
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PK_Spam posted...
Before we even touch the issue

No, not before. The complaint is valid, you arguing why is just obstructionism. Priority is proper competitive play, take your beef with transphobes elsewhere, it's not helpful for sorting the issue.
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aDirtyShisno
10/22/19 7:37:18 AM
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Zareth posted...
Mead posted...
WoIverine posted...
Mead posted...
Oh cool lets have this topic again
Theres the door.


Thats just the edge of my phone screen

Stop calling everything a door

That's just the edge of my monitor

Stop calling everything a phone screen

Its not even the edge. Its like pointing to almost dead center of my phone screen, and I bet it barely even covers any of a monitor...
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Kyuubi4269
10/22/19 7:37:51 AM
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EvilMegas posted...
Is it fair for LeBron or Jordan to have played basketball, since they are so much better than the rest.

Kind of no. Arguably they should be in their own league, but simultaneously they set a new standard to try to reach, it keeps competition good by giving the next best players to give 100%. If people just gave up trying to beat them then there'd be valid reason to introduce handicaps on them to try to balance play.
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CTLM
10/22/19 7:48:07 AM
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EvilMegas posted...
Is it fair for LeBron or Jordan to have played basketball, since they are so much better than the rest.


Yes because they're men playing in a men's basketball league.
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AllstarSniper32
10/22/19 7:49:09 AM
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So are there any instances of FtM athletes breaking records and all that stuff?
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WoIverine
10/22/19 7:56:42 AM
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PK_Spam posted...
A big part of the issue is that trans people literally cant even do shit in sports, much less break records, without transphobes being like tHeY cAn OnLy Do ThAt BeCaUsE tHeYrE a MaN!!!1!1!

Before we even touch the issue of do trans men have an advantage over cis women,

pulling hypothetical men are just better than womenzzzzz arguments with no data other than men more muscular
You have GOT to be kidding me.

How come enlightened individuals are all for science when it comes to disproving God or religion, but simple biological facts elude yall?

Theres no question to be asked dude. Its not up for debate. Males factually have an advantage over females at athletics, regardless of what sex they now classify themselves. Aint no hypothetical, aint nothing to consider; humanity knew this back in the Middle Ages, yet somehow people forget it in 2019.

If Lebron puts on a wig and starts dunking all over the WNBA, you trivialize how hard all those female athletes worked to get where they are.
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Mead
10/22/19 8:01:14 AM
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EvilMegas posted...
Is it fair for LeBron or Jordan to have played basketball, since they are so much better than the rest.


No
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DrProfessor
10/22/19 8:14:38 AM
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Its not even safe! Female MMA competitors are getting injured from that MtF trans fighter.

The whole thing is a fiasco.
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EvilMegas
10/22/19 8:36:32 AM
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DrProfessor posted...
Its not even safe! Female MMA competitors are getting injured from that MtF trans fighter.

The whole thing is a fiasco.

MMA fighters are being injured?!? What a rare occurrence!
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BlockWatcher
10/22/19 8:51:35 AM
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Nope
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PK_Spam
10/22/19 8:52:29 AM
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DrProfessor posted...
Its not even safe! Female MMA competitors are getting injured from that MtF trans fighter.

The whole thing is a fiasco.
This is what I mean when I say Trans people cant do shit in sports without transphobes freaking out.

how many people get the shit beaten out of them on the reg in that sport? But suddenly its only a problem when the person beating them up is trans

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Kyuubi4269
10/22/19 9:38:56 AM
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PK_Spam posted...
This is what I mean when I say Trans people cant do shit in sports without transphobes freaking out.

It's like they're bypassing a longstanding rule to screw over basically everyone.

But specifically in MMA; men have denser bones, their strikes have more potential to break women's bones, meaning even women in MMA going completely on defense will get smashed guarding blows.

It isn't so much "omg fighter got hurt" as much as it is similar to a fighter in women's MMA bringing in a lead pipe. It's excessive and avoidable injury that should be accounted for, much like how weight classes do.
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Noop_Noop
10/22/19 9:39:12 AM
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PK_Spam posted...
DrProfessor posted...
Its not even safe! Female MMA competitors are getting injured from that MtF trans fighter.

The whole thing is a fiasco.
This is what I mean when I say Trans people cant do shit in sports without transphobes freaking out.

how many people get the shit beaten out of them on the reg in that sport? But suddenly its only a problem when the person beating them up is trans


Remember when Fallon Fox shattered that poor girl's skull and then went on to tell us all how he was the victim and actually at a huge disadvantage because he was MtF?

Fallon didnt "beat the shit out of her", he almost fucking killed her. A crowd of people watched a man beat a woman near to death, and fucking cheered.

Women are the real losers in the trans rights movement. Men get to be better than them at everything, including being women.
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EvilMegas
10/22/19 9:44:47 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
PK_Spam posted...
This is what I mean when I say Trans people cant do shit in sports without transphobes freaking out.

It's like they're bypassing a longstanding rule to screw over basically everyone.

But specifically in MMA; men have denser bones, their strikes have more potential to break women's bones, meaning even women in MMA going completely on defense will get smashed guarding blows.

It isn't so much "omg fighter got hurt" as much as it is similar to a fighter in women's MMA bringing in a lead pipe. It's excessive and avoidable injury that should be accounted for, much like how weight classes do.


Again, so should the people who are top of their class stop competeing because they are too good?

Let's kick out Floyd Mayweather out of boxing because he never lost a match or Jon Jones because no one in his weight class can beat him. They have the unfair advantage of being more gifted than other people they fight.
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Noop_Noop
10/22/19 9:47:19 AM
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EvilMegas posted...
Kyuubi4269 posted...
PK_Spam posted...
This is what I mean when I say Trans people cant do shit in sports without transphobes freaking out.

It's like they're bypassing a longstanding rule to screw over basically everyone.

But specifically in MMA; men have denser bones, their strikes have more potential to break women's bones, meaning even women in MMA going completely on defense will get smashed guarding blows.

It isn't so much "omg fighter got hurt" as much as it is similar to a fighter in women's MMA bringing in a lead pipe. It's excessive and avoidable injury that should be accounted for, much like how weight classes do.


Again, so should the people who are top of their class stop competeing because they are too good?

Let's kick out Floyd Mayweather out of boxing because he never lost a match or Jon Jones because no one in his weight class can beat him. They have the unfair advantage of being more gifted than other people they fight.


You dont actually think this right? You're just trolling? People aren't actually this thick, RIGHT?

Why do you hate women so much? Are they really not allowed to win anything? Seeing that double X chromosome on the winners platform just makes you sick? Pretty mysoginistic bro.
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EvilMegas
10/22/19 9:48:22 AM
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How is there a difference?
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Kyuubi4269
10/22/19 9:50:02 AM
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EvilMegas posted...
Again, so should the people who are top of their class stop competeing because they are too good?

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Kind of no. Arguably they should be in their own league, but simultaneously they set a new standard to try to reach, it keeps competition good by giving the next best players to give 100%. If people just gave up trying to beat them then there'd be valid reason to introduce handicaps on them to try to balance play.

Read what I told you last time.

EvilMegas posted...
Let's kick out Floyd Mayweather out of boxing because he never lost a match or Jon Jones because no one in his weight class can beat him. They have the unfair advantage of being more gifted than other people they fight.

Having an advantage and having an unfair advantage are different things. Notice how we have weight classes, not matched weight. We allow people with small advantages over eachother to compete as luck and skill will offset that. If no match against Floyd was worth watching so nobody challenged the title, you can bet your ass he would be either not allowed to compete or handicapped some way.
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Noop_Noop
10/22/19 9:52:14 AM
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EvilMegas posted...
How is there a difference?


Well let's see, um chromosomes and sexual dimorphism?

K. I answered your asinine question. Now you can answer mine. Why do you hate women? Why are women not allowed to ever be the winners?
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EvilMegas
10/22/19 9:55:37 AM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Having an advantage and having an unfair advantage are different things. Notice how we have weight classes, not matched weight. We allow people with small advantages over eachother to compete as luck and skill will offset that. If no match against Floyd was worth watching so nobody challenged the title, you can bet your ass he would be either not allowed to compete or handicapped some way.


So you're saying yourself it's fine because we have weight classes for this exact problem that you are going on about. You contradicted yourself in the same paragraph.
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