Poll of the Day > Anti-Vaxxers vs Climate Change denialism.

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SunWuKung420 09/30/19 11:35:58 AM #52:	Climate change deniers. --- Align your chakras, it starts with your breathing. http://www.arfalpha.com/ScienceOfBreath/ScienceOfBreath.htm <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:928140698] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Climate change deniers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/30/19 11:44:59 AM #53:	dancer62 posted... One sure way of detecting spin in the news is name-calling, and terms like "antivaxxers" and "climate deniers" make me very suspicious. This I agree with. It's something that people dont acknowledge that really bothers me. Its akin to some religious leader screaming "heretic" or "witch" at someone who goes against the congregation and everyone calling for them to be burnt at the stake <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928141028] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted... </cite> <quote>One sure way of detecting spin in the news is name-calling, and terms like "antivaxxers" and "climate deniers" make me very suspicious.</quote>This I agree with. It's something that people dont acknowledge that really bothers me. Its akin to some religious leader screaming "heretic" or "witch" at someone who goes against the congregation and everyone calling for them to be burnt at the stake </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 09/30/19 11:52:08 AM #54:	OhhhJa posted... dancer62 posted... One sure way of detecting spin in the news is name-calling, and terms like "antivaxxers" and "climate deniers" make me very suspicious. This I agree with. It's something that people dont acknowledge that really bothers me. Its akin to some religious leader screaming "heretic" or "witch" at someone who goes against the congregation and everyone calling for them to be burnt at the stake Would you rather they be called "them" and "those people"? Because those names are just descriptors. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928141327] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted... </cite> <quote>One sure way of detecting spin in the news is name-calling, and terms like "antivaxxers" and "climate deniers" make me very suspicious.</quote>This I agree with. It's something that people dont acknowledge that really bothers me. Its akin to some religious leader screaming "heretic" or "witch" at someone who goes against the congregation and everyone calling for them to be burnt at the stake </quote> Would you rather they be called "them" and "those people"? Because those names are just descriptors.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/30/19 11:58:20 AM #55:	Dfy556 posted... 100% false you are not born with autism. You can be born with autism. The problem is that it cant always be reliably diagnosed as an infant. Meaning it could be a couple years before they can tell if someone has it at a young age... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:928141559] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>100% false you are not born with autism.</quote> You can be born with autism. The problem is that it cant always be reliably diagnosed as an infant. Meaning it could be a couple years before they can tell if someone has it at a young age...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedPixel 09/30/19 12:02:33 PM #56:	Kyuubi4269 posted... RedPixel posted... BlockWatcher posted... As a father of a vaccine injured child and a person who has been told for his entire life that the earth only has "x" years left... I vote for "millennials who believe everything the liberal media tells them" No shit. Wouldn't even consider them to be liberals, more like leftists. Liberals used to be critical thinkers. This might surprise you, but liberals were the ones liberal enough to let you talk nonsense because freedom trumps rightness. The "leftists" are the critical thinkers who won't tolerate your nonsense as it doesn't let humanity progress. Leftists aren't necessarily "critical thinkers" because they're vocal, much like any mentality for that matter. Careful. I hold everyone to this standard; just because I said "leftist" doesn't mean I only oppose the left. That would be confirmation bias, and I'm not about that. I only suggest we conduct more research. Also, vaccines ought to be treated like open source-- show me what's really in it, and I'll feel more inclined to trust them more. If that opinion sounds crazy, then we really do live in an insane world. --- Working in a team is great! It always helps to have someone else to blame. <cite>RedPixel posted [p:928141727] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>RedPixel posted...</cite> <quote>BlockWatcher posted...</cite> <quote>As a father of a vaccine injured child and a person who has been told for his entire life that the earth only has "x" years left... I vote for "millennials who believe everything the liberal media tells them"</quote> No shit. Wouldn't even consider them to be liberals, more like leftists. Liberals used to be critical thinkers.</quote> This might surprise you, but liberals were the ones liberal enough to let you talk nonsense because freedom trumps rightness. The "leftists" are the critical thinkers who won't tolerate your nonsense as it doesn't let humanity progress.</quote> Leftists aren't necessarily "critical thinkers" because they're vocal, much like any mentality for that matter. Careful. I hold everyone to this standard; just because I said "leftist" doesn't mean I only oppose the left. That would be confirmation bias, and I'm not about that. I only suggest we conduct more research. Also, vaccines ought to be treated like open source-- show me what's really in it, and I'll feel more inclined to trust them more. If that opinion sounds crazy, then we really do live in an insane world.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/30/19 12:04:31 PM #57:	I have a niece that was born with autism. Fact is that the causes are still largely not understood. --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:928141806] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>I have a niece that was born with autism. Fact is that the causes are still largely not understood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/30/19 12:06:26 PM #58:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Would you rather they be called "them" and "those people"? Because those names are just descriptors. I get that they are descriptors but it's the religious application of the terms. There are people that get slapped with those labels that arent necessarily completely anti vaccination or denying climate change. These things really strike a chord with people and even expressing any shred of doubt over something related to it causes people to start shrieking these labels at you. For instance, I've heard of people that arent completely anti vaccine that just claim they're cautious about certain ones and like to do research on them beforehand because there are documented cases out there of vaccines actually causing issues. And the government and media do actively try to suppress those stories <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928141891] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Would you rather they be called "them" and "those people"? Because those names are just descriptors.</quote>I get that they are descriptors but it's the religious application of the terms. There are people that get slapped with those labels that arent necessarily completely anti vaccination or denying climate change. These things really strike a chord with people and even expressing any shred of doubt over something related to it causes people to start shrieking these labels at you. For instance, I've heard of people that arent completely anti vaccine that just claim they're cautious about certain ones and like to do research on them beforehand because there are documented cases out there of vaccines actually causing issues. And the government and media do actively try to suppress those stories </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedPixel 09/30/19 12:06:37 PM #59:	Kyuubi4269 posted... OhhhJa posted... dancer62 posted... One sure way of detecting spin in the news is name-calling, and terms like "antivaxxers" and "climate deniers" make me very suspicious. This I agree with. It's something that people dont acknowledge that really bothers me. Its akin to some religious leader screaming "heretic" or "witch" at someone who goes against the congregation and everyone calling for them to be burnt at the stake Would you rather they be called "them" and "those people"? Because those names are just descriptors. No, it's complete brainwash. You can report facts without labels on people. --- Working in a team is great! It always helps to have someone else to blame. <cite>RedPixel posted [p:928141898] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>dancer62 posted... </cite> <quote>One sure way of detecting spin in the news is name-calling, and terms like "antivaxxers" and "climate deniers" make me very suspicious.</quote>This I agree with. It's something that people dont acknowledge that really bothers me. Its akin to some religious leader screaming "heretic" or "witch" at someone who goes against the congregation and everyone calling for them to be burnt at the stake </quote> Would you rather they be called "them" and "those people"? Because those names are just descriptors.</quote> No, it's complete brainwash. You can report facts without labels on people.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 09/30/19 12:12:34 PM #60:	RedPixel posted... Also, vaccines ought to be treated like open source-- show me what's really in it, and I'll feel more inclined to trust them more. If that opinion sounds crazy, then we really do live in an insane world. if only there was some way to quickly and easily find such information...perhaps if there existed a...network...that was...interconnected, an "internet" if you will...oh well --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:928142198] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>RedPixel posted... </cite> <quote> Also, vaccines ought to be treated like open source-- show me what's really in it, and I'll feel more inclined to trust them more. If that opinion sounds crazy, then we really do live in an insane world.</quote> if only there was some way to quickly and easily find such information...perhaps if there existed a...network...that was...interconnected, an "internet" if you will...oh well </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 09/30/19 12:23:23 PM #61:	RedPixel posted... Leftists aren't necessarily "critical thinkers" because they're vocal, much like any mentality for that matter. They're critical thinkers because it's necessary to progress, and what defines the left is a drive to always push forward. RedPixel posted... Careful. I only suggest we conduct more research. Also, vaccines ought to be treated like open source-- show me what's really in it, and I'll feel more inclined to trust them more. If that opinion sounds crazy, then we really do live in an insane world. Remember when you learnt one of the ingredients and you went "THIS IS CLEARLY POISON, THE GUB'MINT WANTS ME DEAD!" You don't know enough about how these ingredients interact with eachother and you to create the effects they do. You should not know the ingredients because you will make ignorant assertions. We have a century of research on vaccines, it's long established and you should be questioning the people that decided now these decade old treatments are the devil. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928142682] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>RedPixel posted...</cite> <quote>Leftists aren't necessarily "critical thinkers" because they're vocal, much like any mentality for that matter. </quote> They're critical thinkers because it's necessary to progress, and what defines the left is a drive to always push forward. RedPixel posted...</cite> <quote>Careful. I only suggest we conduct more research. Also, vaccines ought to be treated like open source-- show me what's really in it, and I'll feel more inclined to trust them more. If that opinion sounds crazy, then we really do live in an insane world. </quote> Remember when you learnt one of the ingredients and you went "THIS IS CLEARLY POISON, THE GUB'MINT WANTS ME DEAD!" You don't know enough about how these ingredients interact with eachother and you to create the effects they do. You should not know the ingredients because you will make ignorant assertions. We have a century of research on vaccines, it's long established and you should be questioning the people that decided now these decade old treatments are the devil.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/30/19 12:26:33 PM #62:	Kyuubi4269 posted... what defines the left is a drive to always push forward. Oh here we go. Kyuubi is in full contrarian mode again because he thrives off of stupid arguments even if he doesnt agree with what he, himself, is saying <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928142792] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>what defines the left is a drive to always push forward.</quote>Oh here we go. Kyuubi is in full contrarian mode again because he thrives off of stupid arguments even if he doesnt agree with what he, himself, is saying </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/30/19 12:33:25 PM #63:	While, by and large, vaccines do far more good than harm, saying they are completely harmless is inaccurate. Most people probably haven't actually read the inserts, anti vaxxer or not <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928143112] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>While, by and large, vaccines do far more good than harm, saying they are completely harmless is inaccurate. Most people probably haven't actually read the inserts, anti vaxxer or not </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 09/30/19 12:35:17 PM #64:	OhhhJa posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... Would you rather they be called "them" and "those people"? Because those names are just descriptors. I get that they are descriptors but it's the religious application of the terms. There are people that get slapped with those labels that arent necessarily completely anti vaccination or denying climate change. These things really strike a chord with people and even expressing any shred of doubt over something related to it causes people to start shrieking these labels at you. For instance, I've heard of people that arent completely anti vaccine that just claim they're cautious about certain ones and like to do research on them beforehand because there are documented cases out there of vaccines actually causing issues. And the government and media do actively try to suppress those stories How is the media liberally hitting everybody with a demonised title while simultaneously suppressing mentions of people who aren't the most ridiculous kind. RedPixel posted... No, it's complete brainwash. You can report facts without labels on people. Names are labels. Labels are how we understand the world, censoring it is an attempt to confuse. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928143197] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Would you rather they be called "them" and "those people"? Because those names are just descriptors.</quote>I get that they are descriptors but it's the religious application of the terms. There are people that get slapped with those labels that arent necessarily completely anti vaccination or denying climate change. These things really strike a chord with people and even expressing any shred of doubt over something related to it causes people to start shrieking these labels at you. For instance, I've heard of people that arent completely anti vaccine that just claim they're cautious about certain ones and like to do research on them beforehand because there are documented cases out there of vaccines actually causing issues. And the government and media do actively try to suppress those stories </quote> How is the media liberally hitting everybody with a demonised title while simultaneously suppressing mentions of people who aren't the most ridiculous kind. RedPixel posted...</cite> <quote>No, it's complete brainwash. You can report facts without labels on people.</quote> Names are labels. Labels are how we understand the world, censoring it is an attempt to confuse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 09/30/19 12:38:11 PM #65:	OhhhJa posted... Kyuubi4269 posted... what defines the left is a drive to always push forward. Oh here we go. Kyuubi is in full contrarian mode again because he thrives off of stupid arguments even if he doesnt agree with what he, himself, is saying Do elaborate. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928143347] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>what defines the left is a drive to always push forward.</quote>Oh here we go. Kyuubi is in full contrarian mode again because he thrives off of stupid arguments even if he doesnt agree with what he, himself, is saying </quote> Do elaborate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/30/19 12:39:38 PM #66:	Kyuubi4269 posted... How is the media liberally hitting everybody with a demonised title while simultaneously suppressing mentions of people who aren't the most ridiculous kind. Did you even read what I posted or just want to argue? The media wont cover adverse reactions to vaccines which are fairly common. They pretend it's a made up fairy tale <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928143420] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>How is the media liberally hitting everybody with a demonised title while simultaneously suppressing mentions of people who aren't the most ridiculous kind.</quote>Did you even read what I posted or just want to argue? The media wont cover adverse reactions to vaccines which are fairly common. They pretend it's a made up fairy tale </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ogurisama 09/30/19 12:40:08 PM #67:	AntiVaxs for sure. I feel like their numbers are growing Though though the climate change deniers seem to be shrinking in numbers. (Or at least the vocal presence online). --- http://cdn-android.apptap.com/img/870/mobi.colortrilogy.bitlink/267135850.png https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/10/5/uv4r7nGyrE6ylt2lHGWpiQ2.gif <cite>Ogurisama posted [p:928143444] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>AntiVaxs for sure. I feel like their numbers are growing Though though the climate change deniers seem to be shrinking in numbers. (Or at least the vocal presence online). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kyuubi4269 09/30/19 12:46:56 PM #68:	OhhhJa posted... Did you even read what I posted or just want to argue? The media wont cover adverse reactions to vaccines which are fairly common. They pretend it's a made up fairy tale Fairly common meager symptoms aren't newsworthy. What is newsworthy is people considering avoiding mild wooziness more important than herd immunity to deadly diseases. --- Doctor Foxx posted... The demonizing of soy has a lot to do with xenophobic ideas. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted [p:928143765] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>Did you even read what I posted or just want to argue? The media wont cover adverse reactions to vaccines which are fairly common. They pretend it's a made up fairy tale</quote> Fairly common meager symptoms aren't newsworthy. What is newsworthy is people considering avoiding mild wooziness more important than herd immunity to deadly diseases.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/30/19 12:52:06 PM #69:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Fairly common meager symptoms aren't newsworthy. What is newsworthy is people considering avoiding mild wooziness more important than herd immunity to deadly diseases. If you think nobody has experiences worse symptoms than those, you are grossly misinformed my dude <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928143990] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted... </cite> <quote>Fairly common meager symptoms aren't newsworthy. What is newsworthy is people considering avoiding mild wooziness more important than herd immunity to deadly diseases.</quote>If you think nobody has experiences worse symptoms than those, you are grossly misinformed my dude </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dancer62 09/30/19 1:00:13 PM #70:	Facts are never going to sway people who take the current zeitgeist as a matter of faith. --- If ballet was easy, it would be pointe-less <cite>dancer62 posted [p:928144355] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Facts are never going to sway people who take the current zeitgeist as a matter of faith.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 09/30/19 1:00:23 PM #71:	OhhhJa posted... Did you even read what I posted or just want to argue? The media wont cover adverse reactions to vaccines which are fairly common. They pretend it's a made up fairy tale Do you have proof of your claim here? --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:928144366] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>Did you even read what I posted or just want to argue? The media wont cover adverse reactions to vaccines which are fairly common. They pretend it's a made up fairy tale</quote> Do you have proof of your claim here? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
afrodude77 09/30/19 1:02:16 PM #72:	Anti vaxxers --- WAR EAGLE --- <cite>afrodude77 posted [p:928144441] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Anti vaxxers </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dedbus 09/30/19 1:05:29 PM #73:	Anti anti-vaxxers. Far more annoying than measles. <cite>dedbus posted [p:928144559] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Anti anti-vaxxers. Far more annoying than measles.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/30/19 1:06:38 PM #74:	mario2000 posted... Do you have proof of your claim here? I mean... literally just google search vaccine inserts and download any of them. I think the very first one is MMR if you search that. Again, I'm not against vaccinations. I plan to have my kid vaccinated. Just saying that I understand where the skepticism comes from and it's not a myth that adverse reactions are real Also this... https://www.news-medical.net/health/HPV-Vaccination-and-Fertility.aspx <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928144600] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you have proof of your claim here?</quote>I mean... literally just google search vaccine inserts and download any of them. I think the very first one is MMR if you search that. Again, I'm not against vaccinations. I plan to have my kid vaccinated. Just saying that I understand where the skepticism comes from and it's not a myth that adverse reactions are real Also this... https://www.news-medical.net/health/HPV-Vaccination-and-Fertility.aspx </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trialia 09/30/19 1:08:04 PM #75:	They may both get us all killed, but anti-vaxxers will probably do it faster. --- Trialia ~ unfaithful-mirror.net PSN: Trialia_X, Xaedere (100%) \| XBL: trialia, Noquelle (100%) <cite>Trialia posted [p:928144648] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>They may both get us all killed, but anti-vaxxers will probably do it faster.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Trialia 09/30/19 1:08:55 PM #76:	mario2000 posted... Anti-vaxxers are immediately dangerous while CC deniers are long-term dangerous. Really, it's a coin flip. Exactly. --- Trialia ~ unfaithful-mirror.net PSN: Trialia_X, Xaedere (100%) \| XBL: trialia, Noquelle (100%) <cite>Trialia posted [p:928144685] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>Anti-vaxxers are immediately dangerous while CC deniers are long-term dangerous. Really, it's a coin flip. </quote> Exactly.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedPixel 09/30/19 1:09:53 PM #77:	mario2000 posted... RedPixel posted... Also, vaccines ought to be treated like open source-- show me what's really in it, and I'll feel more inclined to trust them more. If that opinion sounds crazy, then we really do live in an insane world. if only there was some way to quickly and easily find such information...perhaps if there existed a...network...that was...interconnected, an "internet" if you will...oh well https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/2sqmjf/michael_garry_scott_on_wikipedia/ --- Working in a team is great! It always helps to have someone else to blame. <cite>RedPixel posted [p:928144733] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>RedPixel posted... </cite> <quote> Also, vaccines ought to be treated like open source-- show me what's really in it, and I'll feel more inclined to trust them more. If that opinion sounds crazy, then we really do live in an insane world.</quote> if only there was some way to quickly and easily find such information...perhaps if there existed a...network...that was...interconnected, an "internet" if you will...oh well </quote> https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/2sqmjf/michael_garry_scott_on_wikipedia/</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RedPixel 09/30/19 1:14:03 PM #78:	Our school systems are failing us on critical thinking skills. Dig deeper, people. You're not experts after you read articles. Follow motive. Follow the money. Don't stop asking questions. Claiming anti-vaxxers and climate change deniers are wrong is equally dangerous as the alternative. I think we should be concerned about denying vaccines and the world, too, but exploiting agendas is often more profitable than doing the "right" thing. The same people who cuss out elites aren't doing their due diligence a lot of the time. --- Working in a team is great! It always helps to have someone else to blame. <cite>RedPixel posted [p:928144899] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Our school systems are failing us on critical thinking skills. Dig deeper, people. You're not experts after you read articles. Follow motive. Follow the money. Don't stop asking questions. Claiming anti-vaxxers and climate change deniers are wrong is equally dangerous as the alternative. I think we should be concerned about denying vaccines and the world, too, but exploiting agendas is often more profitable than doing the "right" thing. The same people who cuss out elites aren't doing their due diligence a lot of the time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 09/30/19 1:16:22 PM #79:	OhhhJa posted... I mean... literally just google search vaccine inserts and download any of them. I think the very first one is MMR if you search that. Again, I'm not against vaccinations. I plan to have my kid vaccinated. Just saying that I understand where the skepticism comes from and it's not a myth that adverse reactions are real Also this... https://www.news-medical.net/health/HPV-Vaccination-and-Fertility.aspx I'm not denying that adverse reactions to vaccines exist. I'm wondering about this supposed conspiracy to bury their existence by "the media". --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:928144981] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted... </cite> <quote>I mean... literally just google search vaccine inserts and download any of them. I think the very first one is MMR if you search that. Again, I'm not against vaccinations. I plan to have my kid vaccinated. Just saying that I understand where the skepticism comes from and it's not a myth that adverse reactions are real Also this... https://www.news-medical.net/health/HPV-Vaccination-and-Fertility.aspx</quote> I'm not denying that adverse reactions to vaccines exist. I'm wondering about this supposed conspiracy to bury their existence by "the media". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/30/19 1:22:09 PM #80:	RedPixel posted... mario2000 posted... RedPixel posted... Also, vaccines ought to be treated like open source-- show me what's really in it, and I'll feel more inclined to trust them more. If that opinion sounds crazy, then we really do live in an insane world. if only there was some way to quickly and easily find such information...perhaps if there existed a...network...that was...interconnected, an "internet" if you will...oh well https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/2sqmjf/michael_garry_scott_on_wikipedia/ Yeah. But the same thing can happen with books. Or with anything where you can get information from... OhhhJa posted... mario2000 posted... Do you have proof of your claim here? I mean... literally just google search vaccine inserts and download any of them. I think the very first one is MMR if you search that. Again, I'm not against vaccinations. I plan to have my kid vaccinated. Just saying that I understand where the skepticism comes from and it's not a myth that adverse reactions are real Also this... https://www.news-medical.net/health/HPV-Vaccination-and-Fertility.aspx I think people know that it's not 100%. We've said it here multiple times. And I'm pretty sure it's been explained to those against vaccines. But they don't really seem to care when it's told to them. The thing is that vaccines are like any other medical procedure. It's not 100% and there are side affects. That doesn't mean to just risk bringing back dead diseases and spreading them around. Especially since there are some who can't get the vaccine... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:928145181] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>RedPixel posted...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted...</cite> <quote>RedPixel posted... </cite> <quote> Also, vaccines ought to be treated like open source-- show me what's really in it, and I'll feel more inclined to trust them more. If that opinion sounds crazy, then we really do live in an insane world.</quote> if only there was some way to quickly and easily find such information...perhaps if there existed a...network...that was...interconnected, an "internet" if you will...oh well </quote> https://www.reddit.com/r/DunderMifflin/comments/2sqmjf/michael_garry_scott_on_wikipedia/</quote> Yeah. But the same thing can happen with books. Or with anything where you can get information from... OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you have proof of your claim here?</quote>I mean... literally just google search vaccine inserts and download any of them. I think the very first one is MMR if you search that. Again, I'm not against vaccinations. I plan to have my kid vaccinated. Just saying that I understand where the skepticism comes from and it's not a myth that adverse reactions are real Also this... https://www.news-medical.net/health/HPV-Vaccination-and-Fertility.aspx </quote> I think people know that it's not 100%. We've said it here multiple times. And I'm pretty sure it's been explained to those against vaccines. But they don't really seem to care when it's told to them. The thing is that vaccines are like any other medical procedure. It's not 100% and there are side affects. That doesn't mean to just risk bringing back dead diseases and spreading them around. Especially since there are some who can't get the vaccine...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/30/19 1:30:35 PM #81:	mario2000 posted... I'm not denying that adverse reactions to vaccines exist. I'm wondering about this supposed conspiracy to bury their existence by "the media". https://www.organicconsumers.org/essays/how-mainstream-media-insults-public%E2%80%99s-intelligence-vaccines Here's a pretty good article on it <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928145542] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>mario2000 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not denying that adverse reactions to vaccines exist. I'm wondering about this supposed conspiracy to bury their existence by "the media".</quote> https://www.organicconsumers.org/essays/how-mainstream-media-insults-public%E2%80%99s-intelligence-vaccines Here's a pretty good article on it </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 09/30/19 3:19:58 PM #82:	Mead posted... RedPixel posted... I trust that vaccines can be effective. I don't trust my government. Every year I witness the same people who get flu shots get sicker than all hell. Flu shots dont make you immune to illness For fucks sake how are so many people so ignorant about vaccines in this day and age They are pretty pointless though, I'm not an antivaxxer, but the flu vaccine is unneeded most of the time --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:928149969] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>RedPixel posted...</cite> <quote>I trust that vaccines can be effective. I don't trust my government. Every year I witness the same people who get flu shots get sicker than all hell.</quote> Flu shots dont make you immune to illness For fucks sake how are so many people so ignorant about vaccines in this day and age</quote> They are pretty pointless though, I'm not an antivaxxer, but the flu vaccine is unneeded most of the time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mario2000 09/30/19 3:26:45 PM #83:	Progressive news sites that would never defend corporate media coverage of Monsanto or GMOs drink the vaccines-are-safe Kool-Aid. This article doesn't sound ridiculously biased or anything. Also lol @ citing a 15 year old study to try and prove the thoroughly debunked "vaccines cause autism" myth. --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash <cite>mario2000 posted [p:928150273] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote><quote>Progressive news sites that would never defend corporate media coverage of Monsanto or GMOs drink the vaccines-are-safe Kool-Aid.</quote> This article doesn't sound ridiculously biased or anything. Also lol @ citing a 15 year old study to try and prove the thoroughly debunked "vaccines cause autism" myth. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 09/30/19 3:31:21 PM #84:	Muscles posted... Mead posted... RedPixel posted... I trust that vaccines can be effective. I don't trust my government. Every year I witness the same people who get flu shots get sicker than all hell. Flu shots dont make you immune to illness For fucks sake how are so many people so ignorant about vaccines in this day and age They are pretty pointless though, I'm not an antivaxxer, but the flu vaccine is unneeded most of the time Unless you are one of the many people who are immunocompromised each year Then your life may very well depend on herd immunity --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:928150510] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>RedPixel posted...</cite> <quote>I trust that vaccines can be effective. I don't trust my government. Every year I witness the same people who get flu shots get sicker than all hell.</quote> Flu shots dont make you immune to illness For fucks sake how are so many people so ignorant about vaccines in this day and age</quote> They are pretty pointless though, I'm not an antivaxxer, but the flu vaccine is unneeded most of the time</quote> Unless you are one of the many people who are immunocompromised each year Then your life may very well depend on herd immunity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 09/30/19 3:36:37 PM #85:	I'm not talking about the mmr shot or the chicken pox shot, just the flu shot, so calm down The flu shot is unnecessary, not all of them --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:928150787] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>I'm not talking about the mmr shot or the chicken pox shot, just the flu shot, so calm down The flu shot is unnecessary, not all of them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/30/19 3:42:15 PM #86:	Muscles posted... I'm not talking about the mmr shot or the chicken pox shot, just the flu shot, so calm down The flu shot is unnecessary, not all of them Thats what Mead is talking about, as well... People who are immunocompromised cant get the flu shot, IIRC. Meaning that it would help them if everybody else around them got it. If not, they could die... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:928151049] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not talking about the mmr shot or the chicken pox shot, just the flu shot, so calm down The flu shot is unnecessary, not all of them</quote> Thats what Mead is talking about, as well... People who are immunocompromised cant get the flu shot, IIRC. Meaning that it would help them if everybody else around them got it. If not, they could die...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 09/30/19 10:30:11 PM #87:	LinkPizza posted... So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off... No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice <cite>Krissa posted [p:928168904] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off...</quote> No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 09/30/19 10:35:45 PM #88:	Krissa posted... LinkPizza posted... So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off... No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:928169142] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off...</quote> No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice</quote> Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 09/30/19 11:31:56 PM #89:	Krissa posted... The fact that we accept 100% something that the government forces people to take (Especially in mega doses at birth and up) which isn't 100% safe, is a problem. Do you or do you not believe that vaccines present a greater risk than the diseases they prevent? Krissa posted... No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice I do actually agree that the push for vaccines being mandatory is a questionable infringement of medical autonomy, and I'd prefer it weren't coming to this. The fact of the matter, however, is that people are really friggin' stupid when it comes to vaccines, and the only way to keep that stupidity from bringing back a terrifying number of very serious diseases that had been all but eradicated (measles is already back) is to stop letting those stupid people decide for themselves (or at least keep them from sending their unvaccinated kids into public places, which is what the actual push is). --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:928171254] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that we accept 100% something that the government forces people to take (Especially in mega doses at birth and up) which isn't 100% safe, is a problem.</quote> Do you or do you not believe that vaccines present a greater risk than the diseases they prevent? Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice</quote> I do actually agree that the push for vaccines being mandatory is a questionable infringement of medical autonomy, and I'd prefer it weren't coming to this. The fact of the matter, however, is that people are really friggin' stupid when it comes to vaccines, and the only way to keep that stupidity from bringing back a terrifying number of very serious diseases that had been all but eradicated (measles is already back) is to stop letting those stupid people decide for themselves (or at least keep them from sending their unvaccinated kids into public places, which is what the actual push is).</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OhhhJa 09/30/19 11:54:19 PM #90:	LinkPizza posted... Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them... There is discussion now about the possibility of forced inoculations. And while I currently dont believe vaccines are dangerous for the most part, I also dont trust that the government has my best interest at heart and I cant help but think about the terrifying possibilities down the road if that becomes a thing. <cite>OhhhJa posted [p:928172068] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them...</quote> There is discussion now about the possibility of forced inoculations. And while I currently dont believe vaccines are dangerous for the most part, I also dont trust that the government has my best interest at heart and I cant help but think about the terrifying possibilities down the road if that becomes a thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/01/19 12:00:24 AM #91:	OhhhJa posted... LinkPizza posted... Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them... There is discussion now about the possibility of forced inoculations. And while I currently dont believe vaccines are dangerous for the most part, I also dont trust that the government has my best interest at heart and I cant help but think about the terrifying possibilities down the road if that becomes a thing. I dont really trust the government fully, either. But they do a lot of stupid stuff. And stuff people dont want. I think Id rather have forced vaccines then all the old diseases that could come back without them. At least, I feel I would pick that between the two... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:928172253] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>OhhhJa posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them...</quote> There is discussion now about the possibility of forced inoculations. And while I currently dont believe vaccines are dangerous for the most part, I also dont trust that the government has my best interest at heart and I cant help but think about the terrifying possibilities down the road if that becomes a thing.</quote> I dont really trust the government fully, either. But they do a lot of stupid stuff. And stuff people dont want. I think Id rather have forced vaccines then all the old diseases that could come back without them. At least, I feel I would pick that between the two...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caroniver 10/01/19 12:24:24 AM #92:	Anti-vaxxers, and you know why? Climate Change denialists aren't a problem. The problem is the people who understand Climate Change is a thing, but refuse to do anything about it since they're not going to be affected by it, and fighting it would diminish their wealth. --- Mixer of Mega Dash Juices, slayer of giant monsters. The elevation increases as the bullet is fired <cite>Caroniver posted [p:928172947] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Anti-vaxxers, and you know why? Climate Change denialists aren't a problem. The problem is the people who understand Climate Change is a thing, but refuse to do anything about it since they're not going to be affected by it, and fighting it would diminish their wealth.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 10/01/19 12:25:12 AM #93:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Dfy556 posted... 100% false you are not born with autism. My sister has autism and she got it from having an oxygen deprived brain. Her breathing stopped as an infant and she was without oxygen for several minutes and developed many signs of autism afterward. She's 23 now and is autistic and has been since the incident I have Autism, it didn't "turn on" one day, it's a way of being. I'm sure your sister got plenty of issues from oxygen deprivation, but autism isn't one of them. Dfy556 posted... But please go ahead and act like autism is only something you are born with. You know nothing about this subject. lol Dfy556 posted... Also LOL fuck you GameFAQS for making me check off some dumb bullshit box about making comments about autism. This fucking world we live in. It's because people like you suggest it's brain damage that the word needs to be monitored. It's not that it turns on. It's a relation to poor immune system and brain. It's more complex than just "turning on". No need to be upset. What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures. It's also linked to ADHD, which I happen to have <cite>Krissa posted [p:928172971] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>100% false you are not born with autism. My sister has autism and she got it from having an oxygen deprived brain. Her breathing stopped as an infant and she was without oxygen for several minutes and developed many signs of autism afterward. She's 23 now and is autistic and has been since the incident</quote> I have Autism, it didn't "turn on" one day, it's a way of being. I'm sure your sister got plenty of issues from oxygen deprivation, but autism isn't one of them. Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>But please go ahead and act like autism is only something you are born with. You know nothing about this subject.</quote> lol Dfy556 posted...</cite> <quote>Also LOL fuck you GameFAQS for making me check off some dumb bullshit box about making comments about autism. This fucking world we live in.</quote> It's because people like you suggest it's brain damage that the word needs to be monitored.</quote> It's not that it turns on. It's a relation to poor immune system and brain. It's more complex than just "turning on". No need to be upset. What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures. It's also linked to ADHD, which I happen to have</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 10/01/19 12:32:40 AM #94:	LinkPizza posted... Krissa posted... LinkPizza posted... So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off... No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them... How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I think that is the real "disease" that needs a cure. All others are pretty much useless. But don't take my word for it. Read lots of legitimate science journals to come to your conclusions. Aside from that tangent, if people decide not to, that shouldn't affect you if you've had your shots..So no need to worry. <cite>Krissa posted [p:928173154] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off...</quote> No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice</quote> Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them...</quote> How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I think that is the real "disease" that needs a cure. All others are pretty much useless. But don't take my word for it. Read lots of legitimate science journals to come to your conclusions. Aside from that tangent, if people decide not to, that shouldn't affect you if you've had your shots..So no need to worry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/01/19 12:36:33 AM #95:	Caroniver posted... Climate Change denialists aren't a problem. The problem is the people who understand Climate Change is a thing, but refuse to do anything about it since they're not going to be affected by it, and fighting it would diminish their wealth. The thing is, the former vote for the latter (or at least for politicians bought out by the latter), giving the latter the power to keep making the problem worse while building themselves a bigger pile of money to stand on while the rest of the world ends up underwater. Case in point: Trump got elected on a platform of climate change denial and promptly gutted the EPA. Krissa posted... What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures. Yes, researching causes and treatment options are indeed good, helpful ideas. Clinging desperately to a single, falsified study suggesting autism is linked to the second-greatest advancement in public health in human history, however, is not researching causes and treatment options. It's bringing back diseases that are infinitely worse than autism could ever be. Krissa posted... How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I personally have asthma, as do my sister, mother, and possibly girlfriend (undiagnosed, but symptomatic). My girlfriend has hypothyroidism and chronic headaches, as well as some tendonitis (there's room for debate as to whether that's a disease or an injury, but the distinction is largely academic). My mother has GERD. And that's just chronic diseases, and just what I can come up with off the top of my head. It also doesn't include mental illnesses. If we start getting into acute diseases, then the list grows every time somebody I know catches a cold (and then shrinks again when they recover) or other such issue, which is very much not a rare occurrence. That is a terribly, terribly silly question for you to ask. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:928173250] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Caroniver posted...</cite> <quote>Climate Change denialists aren't a problem. The problem is the people who understand Climate Change is a thing, but refuse to do anything about it since they're not going to be affected by it, and fighting it would diminish their wealth.</quote> The thing is, the former vote for the latter (or at least for politicians bought out by the latter), giving the latter the power to keep making the problem worse while building themselves a bigger pile of money to stand on while the rest of the world ends up underwater. Case in point: Trump got elected on a platform of climate change denial and promptly gutted the EPA. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures.</quote> Yes, researching causes and treatment options are indeed good, helpful ideas. Clinging desperately to a single, falsified study suggesting autism is linked to the second-greatest advancement in public health in human history, however, is not researching causes and treatment options. It's bringing back diseases that are infinitely worse than autism could ever be. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer?</quote> I personally have asthma, as do my sister, mother, and possibly girlfriend (undiagnosed, but symptomatic). My girlfriend has hypothyroidism and chronic headaches, as well as some tendonitis (there's room for debate as to whether that's a disease or an injury, but the distinction is largely academic). My mother has GERD. And that's just chronic diseases, and just what I can come up with off the top of my head. It also doesn't include mental illnesses. If we start getting into acute diseases, then the list grows every time somebody I know catches a cold (and then shrinks again when they recover) or other such issue, which is very much not a rare occurrence. That is a terribly, terribly silly question for you to ask.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 10/01/19 12:39:39 AM #96:	adjl posted... Krissa posted... The fact that we accept 100% something that the government forces people to take (Especially in mega doses at birth and up) which isn't 100% safe, is a problem. Do you or do you not believe that vaccines present a greater risk than the diseases they prevent? Krissa posted... No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice I do actually agree that the push for vaccines being mandatory is a questionable infringement of medical autonomy, and I'd prefer it weren't coming to this. The fact of the matter, however, is that people are really friggin' stupid when it comes to vaccines, and the only way to keep that stupidity from bringing back a terrifying number of very serious diseases that had been all but eradicated (measles is already back) is to stop letting those stupid people decide for themselves (or at least keep them from sending their unvaccinated kids into public places, which is what the actual push is). I understand how you feel, but if you and your friends/family get vaccinated, do you really think it would affect you? I haven't heard a real case of any outbreaks. If others choose not to do or do anything stupid, we should allow it within reason. It's called negative rights. If we make it a law that the govt can inject us with whatever they want to, then that's what they'll do. Plus, Darwinism.. <cite>Krissa posted [p:928173319] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that we accept 100% something that the government forces people to take (Especially in mega doses at birth and up) which isn't 100% safe, is a problem.</quote> Do you or do you not believe that vaccines present a greater risk than the diseases they prevent? Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice</quote> I do actually agree that the push for vaccines being mandatory is a questionable infringement of medical autonomy, and I'd prefer it weren't coming to this. The fact of the matter, however, is that people are really friggin' stupid when it comes to vaccines, and the only way to keep that stupidity from bringing back a terrifying number of very serious diseases that had been all but eradicated (measles is already back) is to stop letting those stupid people decide for themselves (or at least keep them from sending their unvaccinated kids into public places, which is what the actual push is).</quote> I understand how you feel, but if you and your friends/family get vaccinated, do you really think it would affect you? I haven't heard a real case of any outbreaks. If others choose not to do or do anything stupid, we should allow it within reason. It's called negative rights. If we make it a law that the govt can inject us with whatever they want to, then that's what they'll do. Plus, Darwinism..</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 10/01/19 12:45:09 AM #97:	Krissa posted... I haven't heard a real case of any outbreaks. https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html From January 1 to September 26, 2019, 1,243 individual cases of measles have been confirmed in 31 states. This is an increase of two cases from the previous week. This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. More than 75% of the cases this year are linked to outbreaks in New York. Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated. The majority of cases are among people who were not vaccinated against measles. Measles can cause serious complications. As of September 26, 2019, 131 of the people who got measles this year were hospitalized, and 65 reported having complications, including pneumonia and encephalitis. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:928173444] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>I haven't heard a real case of any outbreaks.</quote> https://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html <quote>From January 1 to September 26, 2019, 1,243 individual cases of measles have been confirmed in 31 states. This is an increase of two cases from the previous week. This is the greatest number of cases reported in the U.S. since 1992. More than 75% of the cases this year are linked to outbreaks in New York. Measles is more likely to spread and cause outbreaks in U.S. communities where groups of people are unvaccinated. The majority of cases are among people who were not vaccinated against measles. Measles can cause serious complications. As of September 26, 2019, 131 of the people who got measles this year were hospitalized, and 65 reported having complications, including pneumonia and encephalitis. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Krissa 10/01/19 12:51:55 AM #98:	adjl posted... Caroniver posted... Climate Change denialists aren't a problem. The problem is the people who understand Climate Change is a thing, but refuse to do anything about it since they're not going to be affected by it, and fighting it would diminish their wealth. The thing is, the former vote for the latter (or at least for politicians bought out by the latter), giving the latter the power to keep making the problem worse while building themselves a bigger pile of money to stand on while the rest of the world ends up underwater. Case in point: Trump got elected on a platform of climate change denial and promptly gutted the EPA. Krissa posted... What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures. Yes, researching causes and treatment options are indeed good, helpful ideas. Clinging desperately to a single, falsified study suggesting autism is linked to the second-greatest advancement in public health in human history, however, is not researching causes and treatment options. It's bringing back diseases that are infinitely worse than autism could ever be. Krissa posted... How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I personally have asthma, as do my sister, mother, and possibly girlfriend (undiagnosed, but symptomatic). My girlfriend has hypothyroidism and chronic headaches, as well as some tendonitis (there's room for debate as to whether that's a disease or an injury, but the distinction is largely academic). My mother has GERD. And that's just chronic diseases, and just what I can come up with off the top of my head. It also doesn't include mental illnesses. If we start getting into acute diseases, then the list grows every time somebody I know catches a cold (and then shrinks again when they recover) or other such issue, which is very much not a rare occurrence. That is a terribly, terribly silly question for you to ask. I'd like to see your sources. There are studies proving the link between illness and neurodegeneration and heavy metal toxicity. Aside from this, newborns are injected with these heavy metals. Even hypothetically, if we weren't talking about Autism, this is a clear undeniable problem. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a cure for diseases. That would be sadistic. The problem is that they aren't making a humane/complete/safe product. People are so used to accepting minimum quality products that this doesn't seem to bother anyone. Oh it's ok if people die and society gets dumber. Of course there's no benefit to the govt for society getting dumb..but I digress. Also, if a person contracts a disease, why do you care? You're protected right? <cite>Krissa posted [p:928173591] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Caroniver posted...</cite> <quote>Climate Change denialists aren't a problem. The problem is the people who understand Climate Change is a thing, but refuse to do anything about it since they're not going to be affected by it, and fighting it would diminish their wealth.</quote> The thing is, the former vote for the latter (or at least for politicians bought out by the latter), giving the latter the power to keep making the problem worse while building themselves a bigger pile of money to stand on while the rest of the world ends up underwater. Case in point: Trump got elected on a platform of climate change denial and promptly gutted the EPA. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>What if there was a way to help with symptoms? Wouldn't this be useful to a lot of people? Knowing causes is what helps find cures.</quote> Yes, researching causes and treatment options are indeed good, helpful ideas. Clinging desperately to a single, falsified study suggesting autism is linked to the second-greatest advancement in public health in human history, however, is not researching causes and treatment options. It's bringing back diseases that are infinitely worse than autism could ever be. Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer?</quote> I personally have asthma, as do my sister, mother, and possibly girlfriend (undiagnosed, but symptomatic). My girlfriend has hypothyroidism and chronic headaches, as well as some tendonitis (there's room for debate as to whether that's a disease or an injury, but the distinction is largely academic). My mother has GERD. And that's just chronic diseases, and just what I can come up with off the top of my head. It also doesn't include mental illnesses. If we start getting into acute diseases, then the list grows every time somebody I know catches a cold (and then shrinks again when they recover) or other such issue, which is very much not a rare occurrence. That is a terribly, terribly silly question for you to ask.</quote> I'd like to see your sources. There are studies proving the link between illness and neurodegeneration and heavy metal toxicity. Aside from this, newborns are injected with these heavy metals. Even hypothetically, if we weren't talking about Autism, this is a clear undeniable problem. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a cure for diseases. That would be sadistic. The problem is that they aren't making a humane/complete/safe product. People are so used to accepting minimum quality products that this doesn't seem to bother anyone. Oh it's ok if people die and society gets dumber. Of course there's no benefit to the govt for society getting dumb..but I digress. Also, if a person contracts a disease, why do you care? You're protected right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I is smart 10/01/19 12:54:40 AM #99:	User Info: Krissa New User User Since: Sep 2018 Karma: 5 Active Posts: 8 You seriously dusted off a year old alt for anti-vax trolling? --- Tah-rah-rah-boom-dee-aaay, did you get yours todaaay? I got mine yesterdaaay, that's why I walk this way. i.imgur.com/FoxGIbC.jpg <cite>I is smart posted [p:928173678] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote><quote>User Info: Krissa New User User Since: Sep 2018 Karma: 5 Active Posts: 8</quote> You seriously dusted off a year old alt for anti-vax trolling?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 10/01/19 1:04:42 AM #100:	I is smart posted... User Info: Krissa New User User Since: Sep 2018 Karma: 5 Active Posts: 8 You seriously dusted off a year old alt for anti-vax trolling? Got em --- More malicious than mischievous <cite>Mead posted [p:928173930] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>I is smart posted...</cite> <quote><quote>User Info: Krissa New User User Since: Sep 2018 Karma: 5 Active Posts: 8</quote> You seriously dusted off a year old alt for anti-vax trolling?</quote> Got em</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 10/01/19 1:14:54 AM #101:	Krissa posted... LinkPizza posted... Krissa posted... LinkPizza posted... So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off... No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them... How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I think that is the real "disease" that needs a cure. All others are pretty much useless. But don't take my word for it. Read lots of legitimate science journals to come to your conclusions. Aside from that tangent, if people decide not to, that shouldn't affect you if you've had your shots..So no need to worry. They dont have the diseases because most people take the vaccines, fortunately. Andnit still can affect my life. If I have someone in my life that cant get the vaccine for any reason, I could lose them because someone is scared of a shot that could keep them from getting something bad. Like anyone whos very old, or too young to get the vaccine. Or people who have poor immune systems. Just because it doesnt affect my body personally doesnt mean if wont affect me at all... Or cant... Because I still care about the people in my life... Also, for diseases, I do know people who have asthma. Like my sister, and cousins. And my Grandma has COPD. If Spina Bifida is considered a disease, the daughter of my SOs close friend has it. --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:928174129] in Anti-Vaxxe... [t:78051564]...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>Krissa posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>So, should we get rid of other medical practices that saves peoples lives just because they may harm someone, as well? As adjl said, no medical procedure is 100% safe. I think Id rather have vaccines than a bunch of old, dead diseases coming back to kill everyone off...</quote> No. The difference between other medical procedures is that we have the choice to decide. This is the only one I know of where there is a big push for people not to have a choice</quote> Except they still do have a choice. Which is why people choose not to. But by doing that, they endanger everyone around them...</quote> How many people do you know with a disease other than cancer? I think that is the real "disease" that needs a cure. All others are pretty much useless. But don't take my word for it. Read lots of legitimate science journals to come to your conclusions. Aside from that tangent, if people decide not to, that shouldn't affect you if you've had your shots..So no need to worry.</quote> They dont have the diseases because most people take the vaccines, fortunately. Andnit still can affect my life. If I have someone in my life that cant get the vaccine for any reason, I could lose them because someone is scared of a shot that could keep them from getting something bad. Like anyone whos very old, or too young to get the vaccine. Or people who have poor immune systems. Just because it doesnt affect my body personally doesnt mean if wont affect me at all... Or cant... Because I still care about the people in my life... Also, for diseases, I do know people who have asthma. Like my sister, and cousins. And my Grandma has COPD. If Spina Bifida is considered a disease, the daughter of my SOs close friend has it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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