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Full Throttle 07/31/19 12:05:59 AM #1:	Whose decision should it be when it comes to keeping a child or not? - Results (8 votes) None. It should be BANNED as it is Murder and Immoral 0% (0 votes) 0 If one of them wants to keep the child, the other should forfeit their rights and the other raises the child..even if sh 25% (2 votes) 2 It is the woman's choice, simple as that. Whether she wants to have the baby or not is entirely her decision and the guy 75% (6 votes) 6 22 y/o Freak, Brandon Theesfeld, a Mississippi college student MURDERED his 21 y/o girlfriend, Ally Kostial by shooting her 8 TIMES because she REFUSED to get an ABORTION!! Dailymail made the exclusive discovery after talking to her friends who said 'Her sorority sisters knew she was pregnant and that she had told Brandon. He was really upset about it, that it would ruin his life and future. He was really mad that she wouldn't get an abortion. She was like, No, i don't believe in that" Brandon wanted to abort the child because it would DESTROY HIS LIFE as he was possibly seeing another girl and had his future all planned out He also LIKED a post on the day of her body was found where a tweet showed a Call Of Duty Picture showing it aiming at a woman that said "She'll never see it coming" A second friend said "She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. She was 17 weeks pregnant. She was not handling it well. Brandon found out but he was dating someone else. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. He would be awful and then she'd break up with him, or he'd break up with her in rage and then he'd go back to her saying, i'm sorry i'm sorry, and she'd take him back". She also showed text messages that proved it The Lafayette County Sheriff Dept confirmed that there are claims that Kostial was pregnant and it is an on going part of the investigation as to why he murdered her Ally was found dead last Saturday by a police officer as her body was discovered near Sardis Lake. Theesfeld was arrested on Monday and charged with shooting her 8 times as friends say she was likely murdered on the same day she told him about the pregnancy They had dated on an doff since freshman year and her pregnancy was not well kept secret People say Brandon was an angry person in general as he always seemed pissed off at people and that he was known as a PRICK as they would get into fights as voices are raised at each other. He was also very controlling telling her "you can't go here, you can't talk to this person, you were flirting with this guy." One person said she was not allowed to have GUY friends which is why she always had a close girl group only. He was also a MISOGYNIST around campus. She was last seen on surveillance footage before midnight last Friday. Theesfeld had blood on his clothes when police arrested him as it showed him entering a gas station wearing an Ole Miss t-shirt before police swarmed him and busted him His father, Daniel, insisted his son is INNOCENT and said "I have reasons to believe that i can't share anything now. But i would ask everybody to please give him the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise". His friend, Rachel Macdonald also vouched for him stating she's never had a bad conversation with him or felt threatened Friends of Kostial say Ally needs to get justice as she was a fun person who would help anybody in need and was a valued member of their campus A Photo shows Brandon was a GUN TACTICAL EXPERT who was very experienced in handling firearms and in hunting. Whose decision should it be when it comes to abortion? Ally (Deceased) and Brandon (Murderer) - Shocking Picture Brandon Liked on the day Ally was found - <cite>Full Throttle posted [p:925412745] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote> Whose decision should it be when it comes to keeping a child or not? - Results (8 votes) None. It should be BANNED as it is Murder and Immoral 0% (0 votes) 0 If one of them wants to keep the child, the other should forfeit their rights and the other raises the child..even if sh 25% (2 votes) 2 It is the woman's choice, simple as that. Whether she wants to have the baby or not is entirely her decision and the guy 75% (6 votes) 6 22 y/o Freak, Brandon Theesfeld, a Mississippi college student MURDERED his 21 y/o girlfriend, Ally Kostial by shooting her 8 TIMES because she REFUSED to get an ABORTION!! Dailymail made the exclusive discovery after talking to her friends who said 'Her sorority sisters knew she was pregnant and that she had told Brandon. He was really upset about it, that it would ruin his life and future. He was really mad that she wouldn't get an abortion. She was like, No, i don't believe in that" Brandon wanted to abort the child because it would DESTROY HIS LIFE as he was possibly seeing another girl and had his future all planned out He also LIKED a post on the day of her body was found where a tweet showed a Call Of Duty Picture showing it aiming at a woman that said "She'll never see it coming" A second friend said "She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. She was 17 weeks pregnant. She was not handling it well. Brandon found out but he was dating someone else. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. He would be awful and then she'd break up with him, or he'd break up with her in rage and then he'd go back to her saying, i'm sorry i'm sorry, and she'd take him back". She also showed text messages that proved it The Lafayette County Sheriff Dept confirmed that there are claims that Kostial was pregnant and it is an on going part of the investigation as to why he murdered her Ally was found dead last Saturday by a police officer as her body was discovered near Sardis Lake. Theesfeld was arrested on Monday and charged with shooting her 8 times as friends say she was likely murdered on the same day she told him about the pregnancy They had dated on an doff since freshman year and her pregnancy was not well kept secret People say Brandon was an angry person in general as he always seemed pissed off at people and that he was known as a PRICK as they would get into fights as voices are raised at each other. He was also very controlling telling her "you can't go here, you can't talk to this person, you were flirting with this guy." One person said she was not allowed to have GUY friends which is why she always had a close girl group only. He was also a MISOGYNIST around campus. She was last seen on surveillance footage before midnight last Friday. Theesfeld had blood on his clothes when police arrested him as it showed him entering a gas station wearing an Ole Miss t-shirt before police swarmed him and busted him His father, Daniel, insisted his son is INNOCENT and said "I have reasons to believe that i can't share anything now. But i would ask everybody to please give him the presumption of innocence until proven otherwise". His friend, Rachel Macdonald also vouched for him stating she's never had a bad conversation with him or felt threatened Friends of Kostial say Ally needs to get justice as she was a fun person who would help anybody in need and was a valued member of their campus A Photo shows Brandon was a GUN TACTICAL EXPERT who was very experienced in handling firearms and in hunting. Whose decision should it be when it comes to abortion? Ally (Deceased) and Brandon (Murderer) - Shocking Picture Brandon Liked on the day Ally was found - </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Taily_Po 07/31/19 12:32:44 AM #2:	She was pretty cute. Full Throttle posted... If one of them wants to keep the child, the other should forfeit their rights and the other raises the child..even if sh I'm down with that. --- "If I were a ghost, this is certainly the kind of place I'd haunt." (\/)(\/)\|-\| <cite>Taily_Po posted [p:925413607] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>She was pretty cute. Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>If one of them wants to keep the child, the other should forfeit their rights and the other raises the child..even if sh</quote> I'm down with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Keebs05 07/31/19 12:40:57 AM #3:	Full Throttle posted... A second friend said "She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. Why not just get the fucking abortion then? Did she think she would get off the moral hook is she aborted it via high-risk behavior instead of just going to a clinic? --- "Old soldiers never die, they just fade away" R.I.P PFC Dusty Seidel <cite>Keebs05 posted [p:925413862] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Full Throttle posted...</cite> <quote>A second friend said "She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. </quote> Why not just get the fucking abortion then? Did she think she would get off the moral hook is she aborted it via high-risk behavior instead of just going to a clinic?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrndNhbrHdCEman 07/31/19 1:35:15 AM #4:	Taily_Po posted... She was pretty cute. Somehow ya managed to be more inappropriate than duckbear. Show some tact. --- Official nosy neighbor and gossip https://imgur.com/uGKwGsK <cite>FrndNhbrHdCEman posted [p:925415395] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Taily_Po posted... </cite> <quote>She was pretty cute.</quote>Somehow ya managed to be more inappropriate than duckbear. Show some tact. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 07/31/19 2:47:32 AM #5:	Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive. She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. She was 17 weeks pregnant. She was not handling it well. Brandon found out but he was dating someone else. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. What. --- I'm right, as expected. <cite>zebatov posted [p:925416932] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive. She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. She was 17 weeks pregnant. She was not handling it well. Brandon found out but he was dating someone else. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. What.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/31/19 2:48:50 AM #6:	zebatov posted... Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive. He had say when he made the choice to have sex with her --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925416963] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>zebatov posted... </cite> <quote>Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive.</quote> He had say when he made the choice to have sex with her </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
zebatov 07/31/19 2:50:36 AM #7:	Mead posted... zebatov posted... Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive. He had say when he made the choice to have sex with her That doesn't make sense. --- I'm right, as expected. <cite>zebatov posted [p:925416994] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>zebatov posted... </cite> <quote>Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive.</quote> He had say when he made the choice to have sex with her </quote> That doesn't make sense.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crepes 07/31/19 2:52:54 AM #8:	Mead posted... He had say when he made the choice to have sex with her Based on the current law absolutely agree with you. Thats why the law needs to change. --- Praxis Makes Perfect The only intelligent tactical response to life's horror is to laugh defiantly at it. ~Soren Kierkegaard <cite>Crepes posted [p:925417037] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>He had say when he made the choice to have sex with her</quote> Based on the current law absolutely agree with you. Thats why the law needs to change. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muscles 07/31/19 3:02:49 AM #9:	You know what fucks up your life more than a baby? Getting convicted for murder --- Muscles Chicago Bears \| Chicago Blackhawks \| Chicago Bulls \| Chicago Cubs \| NIU Huskies <cite>Muscles posted [p:925417219] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>You know what fucks up your life more than a baby? Getting convicted for murder</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VeeVees 07/31/19 4:32:20 AM #10:	use a fucking condom give him the death penalty --- Rudy sucks <cite>VeeVees posted [p:925418677] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>use a fucking condom give him the death penalty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dioxxys 07/31/19 5:34:26 AM #11:	zebatov posted... Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive. She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. She was 17 weeks pregnant. She was not handling it well. Brandon found out but he was dating someone else. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. What. My thoughts exactly Also: Muscles posted... You know what fucks up your life more than a baby? Getting convicted for murder <cite>dioxxys posted [p:925419491] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>zebatov posted...</cite> <quote>Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive. She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. She was 17 weeks pregnant. She was not handling it well. Brandon found out but he was dating someone else. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. What.</quote> My thoughts exactly Also: Muscles posted...</cite> <quote>You know what fucks up your life more than a baby? Getting convicted for murder</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SkynyrdRocker 07/31/19 8:32:31 AM #12:	zebatov posted... She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. She was 17 weeks pregnant. She was not handling it well. Brandon found out but he was dating someone else. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. What. <cite>SkynyrdRocker posted [p:925422631] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>zebatov posted...</cite> <quote>She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. She was 17 weeks pregnant. She was not handling it well. Brandon found out but he was dating someone else. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. What.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/31/19 8:43:14 AM #13:	Crepes posted... Based on the current law absolutely agree with you. Thats why the law needs to change. Not gonna happen. Theres absolutely no sane reasoning for letting a guy help create a new person and be able to just walk away with zero responsibility. Thats a recipe for disaster and is exactly the reason the laws are set up the way they are --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925422886] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Crepes posted... </cite> <quote>Based on the current law absolutely agree with you. Thats why the law needs to change.</quote> Not gonna happen. Theres absolutely no sane reasoning for letting a guy help create a new person and be able to just walk away with zero responsibility. Thats a recipe for disaster and is exactly the reason the laws are set up the way they are </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr_Big_Boss 07/31/19 8:59:44 AM #14:	Mead posted... Crepes posted... Based on the current law absolutely agree with you. Thats why the law needs to change. Not gonna happen. Theres absolutely no sane reasoning for letting a guy help create a new person and be able to just walk away with zero responsibility. Thats a recipe for disaster and is exactly the reason the laws are set up the way they are She has a choice to get an abortion. He should have a choice to abort his parental responsibilities. I would make it where he has to get a court order before the third trimester so she still has the option of aborting knowing he won't be supporting her. --- the end of one nightmare, prelude to the another... Shenmue III <cite>Mr_Big_Boss posted [p:925423233] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Crepes posted... </cite> <quote>Based on the current law absolutely agree with you. Thats why the law needs to change.</quote> Not gonna happen. Theres absolutely no sane reasoning for letting a guy help create a new person and be able to just walk away with zero responsibility. Thats a recipe for disaster and is exactly the reason the laws are set up the way they are </quote> She has a choice to get an abortion. He should have a choice to abort his parental responsibilities. I would make it where he has to get a court order before the third trimester so she still has the option of aborting knowing he won't be supporting her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 07/31/19 9:40:15 AM #15:	Mead posted... Crepes posted... Based on the current law absolutely agree with you. Thats why the law needs to change. Not gonna happen. Theres absolutely no sane reasoning for letting a guy help create a new person and be able to just walk away with zero responsibility. Thats a recipe for disaster and is exactly the reason the laws are set up the way they are I disagree. I think that either parent should have the right to give up all parental status if they choose. That means no child support, but also no place in that childs life. At all. And once you make that choice, youre stuck with it. And can be legally charged if you try... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:925424445] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Crepes posted... </cite> <quote>Based on the current law absolutely agree with you. Thats why the law needs to change.</quote> Not gonna happen. Theres absolutely no sane reasoning for letting a guy help create a new person and be able to just walk away with zero responsibility. Thats a recipe for disaster and is exactly the reason the laws are set up the way they are </quote> I disagree. I think that either parent should have the right to give up all parental status if they choose. That means no child support, but also no place in that childs life. At all. And once you make that choice, youre stuck with it. And can be legally charged if you try...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/31/19 9:48:29 AM #16:	LinkPizza posted... I disagree. I think that either parent should have the right to give up all parental status if they choose. That means no child support, but also no place in that childs life. At all. And once you make that choice, youre stuck with it. And can be legally charged if you try... A woman cant legally decide to just walk away and leave the man with all the responsibility against his will so neither should he, and you cant compel a pregnant woman to either get an abortion or be a single mom because the man just doesnt want to own up to his own responsibility for creating the child it being up to the woman is really the only way it works. Sure it might suck that there are some guys that get stuck with child support payments but thats nothing compared to all the issues that arise from destitute single parents trying to get by theres nothing wrong with having sex just to enjoy it but people gotta understand that the purpose of sex between a man and a woman is to create a child. So guys need to be aware when they choose to have sex with a woman that it could end up a pregnancy and they are half responsible for that --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925424701] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I disagree. I think that either parent should have the right to give up all parental status if they choose. That means no child support, but also no place in that childs life. At all. And once you make that choice, youre stuck with it. And can be legally charged if you try...</quote> A woman cant legally decide to just walk away and leave the man with all the responsibility against his will so neither should he, and you cant compel a pregnant woman to either get an abortion or be a single mom because the man just doesnt want to own up to his own responsibility for creating the child it being up to the woman is really the only way it works. Sure it might suck that there are some guys that get stuck with child support payments but thats nothing compared to all the issues that arise from destitute single parents trying to get by theres nothing wrong with having sex just to enjoy it but people gotta understand that the purpose of sex between a man and a woman is to create a child. So guys need to be aware when they choose to have sex with a woman that it could end up a pregnancy and they are half responsible for that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 07/31/19 9:54:46 AM #17:	Mead posted... LinkPizza posted... I disagree. I think that either parent should have the right to give up all parental status if they choose. That means no child support, but also no place in that childs life. At all. And once you make that choice, youre stuck with it. And can be legally charged if you try... A woman cant legally decide to just walk away and leave the man with all the responsibility against his will so neither should he, and you cant compel a pregnant woman to either get an abortion or be a single mom because the man just doesnt want to own up to his own responsibility for creating the child it being up to the woman is really the only way it works. Sure it might suck that there are some guys that get stuck with child support payments but thats nothing compared to all the issues that arise from destitute single parents trying to get by theres nothing wrong with having sex just to enjoy it but people gotta understand that the purpose of sex between a man and a woman is to create a child. So guys need to be aware when they choose to have sex with a woman that it could end up a pregnancy and they are half responsible for that A woman does have a chance to have an abortion, though. And if they decide before the baby is born, they could also get the same chance to have the baby and give all responsibility to the male, if thats what he wants. Or she can have the abortion. Also, she may still be a single parent. The only difference is that he has to pay. And he may not have to pay a lot depending on his job. So, she may still be struggling. I dont think either of them should be strapped down by stuff like that. At least, in this day and age. I agree sex in great. And while its used to create life, also has other purposes. But even when not trying to have a child, nothing is 100%. Even with a vasectomy, it may not take the first time... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:925424903] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I disagree. I think that either parent should have the right to give up all parental status if they choose. That means no child support, but also no place in that childs life. At all. And once you make that choice, youre stuck with it. And can be legally charged if you try...</quote> A woman cant legally decide to just walk away and leave the man with all the responsibility against his will so neither should he, and you cant compel a pregnant woman to either get an abortion or be a single mom because the man just doesnt want to own up to his own responsibility for creating the child it being up to the woman is really the only way it works. Sure it might suck that there are some guys that get stuck with child support payments but thats nothing compared to all the issues that arise from destitute single parents trying to get by theres nothing wrong with having sex just to enjoy it but people gotta understand that the purpose of sex between a man and a woman is to create a child. So guys need to be aware when they choose to have sex with a woman that it could end up a pregnancy and they are half responsible for that </quote> A woman does have a chance to have an abortion, though. And if they decide before the baby is born, they could also get the same chance to have the baby and give all responsibility to the male, if thats what he wants. Or she can have the abortion. Also, she may still be a single parent. The only difference is that he has to pay. And he may not have to pay a lot depending on his job. So, she may still be struggling. I dont think either of them should be strapped down by stuff like that. At least, in this day and age. I agree sex in great. And while its used to create life, also has other purposes. But even when not trying to have a child, nothing is 100%. Even with a vasectomy, it may not take the first time...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 07/31/19 9:59:17 AM #18:	Again you cant compel a woman to get an abortion. That has to be her choice with no coercion. I see folks arguing that a man should be able to toss his hands up and say either abort the baby, put it up for adoption, or raise it all on your own and walk away, which is an absolutely absurd position to put a woman in men used to be able to get away with that and it caused so much poverty and crime that we have better laws in place now --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925425047] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Again you cant compel a woman to get an abortion. That has to be her choice with no coercion. I see folks arguing that a man should be able to toss his hands up and say either abort the baby, put it up for adoption, or raise it all on your own and walk away, which is an absolutely absurd position to put a woman in men used to be able to get away with that and it caused so much poverty and crime that we have better laws in place now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dedbus 07/31/19 10:08:20 AM #19:	Muscles posted... You know what fucks up your life more than a baby? Getting convicted for murder Well... We might need to map out the cost benefit on that one. <cite>dedbus posted [p:925425345] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Muscles posted...</cite> <quote>You know what fucks up your life more than a baby? Getting convicted for murder</quote> Well... We might need to map out the cost benefit on that one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SunWuKung420 07/31/19 10:39:22 AM #20:	How sad. My condolences to her family. --- I'd rather die helping others survive than be all alone, UNSCATHED, after all others have fallen -DEC <cite>SunWuKung420 posted [p:925426455] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>How sad. My condolences to her family.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 07/31/19 12:12:56 PM #21:	Mead posted... Again you cant compel a woman to get an abortion. That has to be her choice with no coercion. I see folks arguing that a man should be able to toss his hands up and say either abort the baby, put it up for adoption, or raise it all on your own and walk away, which is an absolutely absurd position to put a woman in men used to be able to get away with that and it caused so much poverty and crime that we have better laws in place now And no one is forcing them to get one. Why are you bringing that up. I just said she actually has the chance to get one. The male doesnt. I just think that if either parent wants out before the baby is born, they can give up all rights to the child forever, but also no have to pay for it. Either of them should be able to do it. Even a woman. If she doesnt want to have an abortion, but she doesnt want the baby and the male does, she should also be able to sign all rights to him where she cuts all ties... Bringing up forcing a woman to get an abortion doesnt make sense since the reason I think this should exist is because its a womans choice whether to have an abortion or not... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:925430265] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Again you cant compel a woman to get an abortion. That has to be her choice with no coercion. I see folks arguing that a man should be able to toss his hands up and say either abort the baby, put it up for adoption, or raise it all on your own and walk away, which is an absolutely absurd position to put a woman in men used to be able to get away with that and it caused so much poverty and crime that we have better laws in place now </quote> And no one is forcing them to get one. Why are you bringing that up. I just said she actually has the chance to get one. The male doesnt. I just think that if either parent wants out before the baby is born, they can give up all rights to the child forever, but also no have to pay for it. Either of them should be able to do it. Even a woman. If she doesnt want to have an abortion, but she doesnt want the baby and the male does, she should also be able to sign all rights to him where she cuts all ties... Bringing up forcing a woman to get an abortion doesnt make sense since the reason I think this should exist is because its a womans choice whether to have an abortion or not...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crepes 07/31/19 1:34:19 PM #22:	Mead posted... A woman cant legally decide to just walk away and leave the man with all the responsibility against his will so neither should he, and you cant compel a pregnant woman to either get an abortion or be a single mom because the man just doesnt want to own up to his own responsibility for creating the child it being up to the woman is really the only way it works. Sure it might suck that there are some guys that get stuck with child support payments but thats nothing compared to all the issues that arise from destitute single parents trying to get by theres nothing wrong with having sex just to enjoy it but people gotta understand that the purpose of sex between a man and a woman is to create a child. So guys need to be aware when they choose to have sex with a woman that it could end up a pregnancy and they are half responsible for that ok. Ill agree with your point if you agree women who dont want to have a child should be banned from having an abortion if the man says hell take ownership of the child when its born. --- Praxis Makes Perfect The only intelligent tactical response to life's horror is to laugh defiantly at it. ~Soren Kierkegaard <cite>Crepes posted [p:925433633] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>A woman cant legally decide to just walk away and leave the man with all the responsibility against his will so neither should he, and you cant compel a pregnant woman to either get an abortion or be a single mom because the man just doesnt want to own up to his own responsibility for creating the child it being up to the woman is really the only way it works. Sure it might suck that there are some guys that get stuck with child support payments but thats nothing compared to all the issues that arise from destitute single parents trying to get by theres nothing wrong with having sex just to enjoy it but people gotta understand that the purpose of sex between a man and a woman is to create a child. So guys need to be aware when they choose to have sex with a woman that it could end up a pregnancy and they are half responsible for that</quote> ok. Ill agree with your point if you agree women who dont want to have a child should be banned from having an abortion if the man says hell take ownership of the child when its born. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 07/31/19 1:37:13 PM #23:	That's a stupid way to ruin your life especially since his girlfriend was probably going miscarry at any moment from all the alcohol and drugs, it could've been avoided if just waited. This has to be the dumbest person I've seen in a long while. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:925433770] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>That's a stupid way to ruin your life especially since his girlfriend was probably going miscarry at any moment from all the alcohol and drugs, it could've been avoided if just waited. This has to be the dumbest person I've seen in a long while.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crepes 07/31/19 2:47:23 PM #24:	Hop103 posted... That's a stupid way to ruin your life especially since his girlfriend was probably going miscarry at any moment from all the alcohol and drugs, it could've been avoided if just waited. This has to be the dumbest person I've seen in a long while. What about this guy? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/user --- Praxis Makes Perfect The only intelligent tactical response to life's horror is to laugh defiantly at it. ~Soren Kierkegaard <cite>Crepes posted [p:925436929] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Hop103 posted... </cite> <quote>That's a stupid way to ruin your life especially since his girlfriend was probably going miscarry at any moment from all the alcohol and drugs, it could've been avoided if just waited. This has to be the dumbest person I've seen in a long while.</quote> What about this guy? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/user </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 07/31/19 4:04:03 PM #25:	Crepes posted... Mead posted... A woman cant legally decide to just walk away and leave the man with all the responsibility against his will so neither should he, and you cant compel a pregnant woman to either get an abortion or be a single mom because the man just doesnt want to own up to his own responsibility for creating the child it being up to the woman is really the only way it works. Sure it might suck that there are some guys that get stuck with child support payments but thats nothing compared to all the issues that arise from destitute single parents trying to get by theres nothing wrong with having sex just to enjoy it but people gotta understand that the purpose of sex between a man and a woman is to create a child. So guys need to be aware when they choose to have sex with a woman that it could end up a pregnancy and they are half responsible for that ok. Ill agree with your point if you agree women who dont want to have a child should be banned from having an abortion if the man says hell take ownership of the child when its born. You're equivocating child support payments with reproductive slavery? --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:925440391] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Crepes posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted... </cite> <quote>A woman cant legally decide to just walk away and leave the man with all the responsibility against his will so neither should he, and you cant compel a pregnant woman to either get an abortion or be a single mom because the man just doesnt want to own up to his own responsibility for creating the child it being up to the woman is really the only way it works. Sure it might suck that there are some guys that get stuck with child support payments but thats nothing compared to all the issues that arise from destitute single parents trying to get by theres nothing wrong with having sex just to enjoy it but people gotta understand that the purpose of sex between a man and a woman is to create a child. So guys need to be aware when they choose to have sex with a woman that it could end up a pregnancy and they are half responsible for that</quote> ok. Ill agree with your point if you agree women who dont want to have a child should be banned from having an abortion if the man says hell take ownership of the child when its born. </quote> You're equivocating child support payments with reproductive slavery?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 07/31/19 5:28:02 PM #26:	Your poll options suck this time, duckbear A woman shouldn't be forced to carry a fetus she doesn't want, but a man shouldn't be forced to pay for a kid he doesn't want. No option reflect this, the closest is the 3rd, which I voted for, but this specific case is exactly the reason that simplistic "always her choice, completely, on everything" is so wrong and dangerous. zebatov posted... Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive. Yup! Another senseless tragedy born of the refusal to grant men the right to refuse unwanted parenthood/responsibilities. Just as women will resort to coat hangers and other means if legal abortion isn't available (or in this case, she's been brainwashed by religious parents into thinking she can't get one), men who absolutely don't want to be stuck w/ a kid will try to find ways to avoid it. Ideally by just being a "deadbeat dad," but in some cases...murder. zebatov posted... She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. She was 17 weeks pregnant. She was not handling it well. Brandon found out but he was dating someone else. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. What. I'd wager that she was brought up in a very religious household and abortion was thoroughly demonized to her. Thus, the irrational behavior where an abortion will send her to hell, but an "accident" would be ok. This story just makes you hate both extremes. The religious conservatives that denounce safe medical abortions so much that someone would think those other methods are "better" morally. And the hypocritical abortion rights activists who are only pro-choice for women. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:925444233] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Your poll options suck this time, duckbear A woman shouldn't be forced to carry a fetus she doesn't want, but a man shouldn't be forced to pay for a kid he doesn't want. No option reflect this, the closest is the 3rd, which I voted for, but this specific case is exactly the reason that simplistic "always her choice, completely, on everything" is so wrong and dangerous. zebatov posted...</cite> <quote>Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive.</quote> Yup! Another senseless tragedy born of the refusal to grant men the right to refuse unwanted parenthood/responsibilities. Just as women will resort to coat hangers and other means if legal abortion isn't available (or in this case, she's been brainwashed by religious parents into thinking she can't get one), men who absolutely don't want to be stuck w/ a kid will try to find ways to avoid it. Ideally by just being a "deadbeat dad," but in some cases...murder. zebatov posted...</cite> <quote>She was really upset because she was pregnant and she had been trying to get rid of her child through unhealthy ways, like going out, drinking a lot and doing drugs. She was 17 weeks pregnant. She was not handling it well. Brandon found out but he was dating someone else. He wanted her to get an abortion but i think morally she didn't want to do it. What.</quote> I'd wager that she was brought up in a very religious household and abortion was thoroughly demonized to her. Thus, the irrational behavior where an abortion will send her to hell, but an "accident" would be ok. This story just makes you hate both extremes. The religious conservatives that denounce safe medical abortions so much that someone would think those other methods are "better" morally. And the hypocritical abortion rights activists who are only pro-choice for women.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArvTheGreat 07/31/19 6:29:12 PM #27:	Did he think she wouldnt get pregnant when he had sex with her --- Things are about to get arvified <cite>ArvTheGreat posted [p:925446670] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Did he think she wouldnt get pregnant when he had sex with her </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 07/31/19 7:36:48 PM #28:	ArvTheGreat posted... Did he think she wouldnt get pregnant when he had sex with her Judging how dumb this person is already, I'd say yes. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:925449455] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>ArvTheGreat posted...</cite> <quote>Did he think she wouldnt get pregnant when he had sex with her </quote> Judging how dumb this person is already, I'd say yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Crepes 08/01/19 1:26:15 PM #29:	adjl posted... You're equivocating child support payments with reproductive slavery? Yes. It looks like abortions are going to be illegal all over soon so looks like Ill get my wish. --- Praxis Makes Perfect The only intelligent tactical response to life's horror is to laugh defiantly at it. ~Soren Kierkegaard <cite>Crepes posted [p:925480089] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>adjl posted... </cite> <quote>You're equivocating child support payments with reproductive slavery?</quote> Yes. It looks like abortions are going to be illegal all over soon so looks like Ill get my wish. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfmsz 08/01/19 1:59:56 PM #30:	lol Mead posted... zebatov posted... Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive. He had say when he made the choice to have sex with her See the problem with this argument (aside from the fact that it's a double standard and thus disingenuous) is that you're basically minimizing women to the status of children, incapable of making their own decisions. She also chose to have sex. It's extremely dishonest and I'm going to call you on it whether you meant to be dishonest or not. If she had chosen to abort and he wanted to keep it, he'd have no say. If she wanted to keep it, and he didn't, he'd have no say. He'd also get the pleasure of giving this woman money every month she probably isn't even spending on his child. Courts absolutely favor women in custody disputes and this dude was going to be paying out the ass for the next 18 years. Basically these arguments always free the woman of responsibility and shove it all on the male when it is convenient as if it doesn't take two to tango. I'm not condoning what he did but I certainly understand what drove him to the madness that led to her unfortunate death. Cases like this are not actually that rare and are a symptom of blatant favoritism in family courts. It's neat how this woman gets killed and it's national news but there are no stories about the countless men who commit suicide because their petty vindictive ex took it all. <cite>nfmsz posted [p:925481554] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>lol Mead posted...</cite> <quote>zebatov posted... </cite> <quote>Can't help but feel like if child support wasn't forced on the parent who didn't want the child (and also had no say) the girl would still be alive.</quote> He had say when he made the choice to have sex with her </quote> See the problem with this argument (aside from the fact that it's a double standard and thus disingenuous) is that you're basically minimizing women to the status of children, incapable of making their own decisions. She also chose to have sex. It's extremely dishonest and I'm going to call you on it whether you meant to be dishonest or not. If she had chosen to abort and he wanted to keep it, he'd have no say. If she wanted to keep it, and he didn't, he'd have no say. He'd also get the pleasure of giving this woman money every month she probably isn't even spending on his child. Courts absolutely favor women in custody disputes and this dude was going to be paying out the ass for the next 18 years. Basically these arguments always free the woman of responsibility and shove it all on the male when it is convenient as if it doesn't take two to tango. I'm not condoning what he did but I certainly understand what drove him to the madness that led to her unfortunate death. Cases like this are not actually that rare and are a symptom of blatant favoritism in family courts. It's neat how this woman gets killed and it's national news but there are no stories about the countless men who commit suicide because their petty vindictive ex took it all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/01/19 2:03:20 PM #31:	Men and women are different especially when it comes to creating a child. So obviously there are going to be different standards for each sex. If a man doesnt want to risk being possibly responsible for a child then he needs to make the decision to not partake in the act of creating one. kick and scream about that all you want but thats the only way that legally makes any sense in the end and it isnt going to change --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925481713] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Men and women are different especially when it comes to creating a child. So obviously there are going to be different standards for each sex. If a man doesnt want to risk being possibly responsible for a child then he needs to make the decision to not partake in the act of creating one. kick and scream about that all you want but thats the only way that legally makes any sense in the end and it isnt going to change </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfmsz 08/01/19 2:21:16 PM #32:	Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet? <cite>nfmsz posted [p:925482491] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/01/19 2:22:58 PM #33:	nfmsz posted... Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet? Oh well, scream double standards all you want, men and women dont go through the same thing to create life so there are different standards for each sex --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925482556] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>nfmsz posted... </cite> <quote>Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet?</quote> Oh well, scream double standards all you want, men and women dont go through the same thing to create life so there are different standards for each sex </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfmsz 08/01/19 2:24:08 PM #34:	Nah, double standards are indefensible ergo your point is indefensible. You lose by default. Have a nice day! <cite>nfmsz posted [p:925482595] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Nah, double standards are indefensible ergo your point is indefensible. You lose by default. Have a nice day!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/01/19 2:28:18 PM #35:	nfmsz posted... Nah, double standards are indefensible ergo your point is indefensible. You lose by default. Have a nice day! Lemme know when the law changes to reflect angry internet dude mentality Ill wait patiently --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925482761] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>nfmsz posted... </cite> <quote>Nah, double standards are indefensible ergo your point is indefensible. You lose by default. Have a nice day!</quote> Lemme know when the law changes to reflect angry internet dude mentality Ill wait patiently </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfmsz 08/01/19 2:34:34 PM #36:	Mead posted... Lemme know when the law changes to reflect angry internet dude mentality Ill wait patiently 1. Logical fallacy 2. Laws change, something being codified into law does not make it justified 3. I think you're projecting your own anger onto me considering I posted my opinion and you surreptitiously responded without quoting my post hoping to get a word in without it being noticed All in all, I'm not very impressed with your intellectual abilities. You present no arguments to back up your statements, only crude misrepresentations of reality, logical fallacy and blatant personal attacks. You have lost, but you may continue in your delusions if it suits you; it certainly amuses me. <cite>nfmsz posted [p:925482992] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote> Mead posted... </cite> <quote>Lemme know when the law changes to reflect angry internet dude mentality Ill wait patiently</quote> 1. Logical fallacy 2. Laws change, something being codified into law does not make it justified 3. I think you're projecting your own anger onto me considering I posted my opinion and you surreptitiously responded without quoting my post hoping to get a word in without it being noticed All in all, I'm not very impressed with your intellectual abilities. You present no arguments to back up your statements, only crude misrepresentations of reality, logical fallacy and blatant personal attacks. You have lost, but you may continue in your delusions if it suits you; it certainly amuses me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lirishae 08/01/19 3:35:17 PM #37:	nfmsz posted... See the problem with this argument (aside from the fact that it's a double standard and thus disingenuous) is that you're basically minimizing women to the status of children, incapable of making their own decisions. She also chose to have sex. It's extremely dishonest and I'm going to call you on it whether you meant to be dishonest or not. What's dishonest here is pretending that men and women's say should be equal when the responsibility and consequences are inherently unequal. Because women actually carry the pregnancy, they assume all of the health risks and the lion's share of childcare. This is why they get the final say in whether or not to abort. The alternative is allowing men with no legal relationship to a woman to make medical decisions on her behalf. If you don't see why that's wrong, there's probably nothing I can say that will help you understand. nfmsz posted... If she had chosen to abort and he wanted to keep it, he'd have no say. If she wanted to keep it, and he didn't, he'd have no say. He'd also get the pleasure of giving this woman money every month she probably isn't even spending on his child. Courts absolutely favor women in custody disputes and this dude was going to be paying out the ass for the next 18 years, and those payments were going to be extortion levels of exorbitant. Think 60-70% of his pay checks with zero regard for his comfort or personal safety. Basically these arguments always free the woman of responsibility (and the consequences!) and shove it all on the male when it is convenient as if it doesn't take two to tango. All of which the man could have avoided if he'd used a condom. Your idea of equality is apparently men being able to father children and abandon them. Single women are already holding up their end of the bargain; they take care of the child and pay most of the costs for raising them (which are enormous btw; I sincerely doubt the woman in your example will have any money left over). Heaven forbid that men be expected to contribute something toward the upbringing of their children. nfmsz posted... It's neat how this woman gets killed and it's national news but there are no stories about the countless men who commit suicide because their petty vindictive ex took it all. Drawing equivalency between homicide and suicide is ridiculous. You do realize there's a biiiig difference between killing yourself and killing someone else, right? Either way, you're still wrong. A quick search turns up dozens of stories on men committing suicide after divorce. --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155 <cite>Lirishae posted [p:925485467] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>nfmsz posted...</cite> <quote>See the problem with this argument (aside from the fact that it's a double standard and thus disingenuous) is that you're basically minimizing women to the status of children, incapable of making their own decisions. She also chose to have sex. It's extremely dishonest and I'm going to call you on it whether you meant to be dishonest or not.</quote> What's dishonest here is pretending that men and women's say should be equal when the responsibility and consequences are inherently unequal. Because women actually carry the pregnancy, they assume all of the health risks and the lion's share of childcare. This is why they get the final say in whether or not to abort. The alternative is allowing men with no legal relationship to a woman to make medical decisions on her behalf. If you don't see why that's wrong, there's probably nothing I can say that will help you understand. nfmsz posted...</cite> <quote>If she had chosen to abort and he wanted to keep it, he'd have no say. If she wanted to keep it, and he didn't, he'd have no say. He'd also get the pleasure of giving this woman money every month she probably isn't even spending on his child. Courts absolutely favor women in custody disputes and this dude was going to be paying out the ass for the next 18 years, and those payments were going to be extortion levels of exorbitant. Think 60-70% of his pay checks with zero regard for his comfort or personal safety. Basically these arguments always free the woman of responsibility (and the consequences!) and shove it all on the male when it is convenient as if it doesn't take two to tango.</quote> All of which the man could have avoided if he'd used a condom. Your idea of equality is apparently men being able to father children and abandon them. Single women are already holding up their end of the bargain; they take care of the child and pay most of the costs for raising them (which are enormous btw; I sincerely doubt the woman in your example will have any money left over). Heaven forbid that men be expected to contribute something toward the upbringing of their children. nfmsz posted...</cite> <quote>It's neat how this woman gets killed and it's national news but there are no stories about the countless men who commit suicide because their petty vindictive ex took it all.</quote> Drawing equivalency between homicide and suicide is ridiculous. You do realize there's a biiiig difference between killing yourself and killing someone else, right? Either way, you're still wrong. A quick search turns up dozens of stories on men committing suicide after divorce.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
nfmsz 08/01/19 3:44:33 PM #38:	Lirishae posted... What's dishonest here is pretending that men and women's say should be equal when the responsibility and consequences are inherently unequal. Because women actually carry the pregnancy, they assume all of the health risks and the lion's share of childcare. This is why they get the final say in whether or not to abort. The alternative is allowing men with no legal relationship to a woman to make medical decisions on her behalf. If you don't see why that's wrong, there's probably nothing I can say that will help you understand. You're being dishonest here. You are intentionally misrepresenting reality to suit a narrative. Women are not and never have been the exclusive caretaker in a child's life and they never will be. You are doing exactly what I said was disingenuous in the first place: minimizing women to the status of children when it suits your narrative. All of which the man could have avoided if he'd used a condom. Your idea of equality is apparently men being able to father children and abandon them. Single women are already holding up their end of the bargain; they take care of the child and pay most of the costs for raising them (which are enormous btw; I sincerely doubt the woman in your example will have any money left over). Heaven forbid that men be expected to contribute something toward the upbringing of their children. Yet again, this is a double standard. You are placing all of the responsibility solely on one participant. It's dishonest. Take responsibility for YOURSELF. Drawing equivalency between homicide and suicide is ridiculous. You do realize there's a biiiig difference between killing yourself and killing someone else, right? Either way, you're still wrong. A quick search turns up dozens of stories on men committing suicide after divorce. It's only ridiculous in your opinion, and it's clear to me you didn't actually understand the point that I was trying to make: this gets high profile visibility but countless other people who have had all but their literal life stolen from them don't count? Where are the high profile, high visibility articles about one individual man who committed suicide after being ravaged by a one-sided divorce? Oh, they don't really exist? Neat! This is why fewer and fewer people take YOUR arguments seriously and why the favoritism in family courts is falling out of style. You basically just said "I don't care if people commit suicide because they've had their entire lives stolen from them forcibly by a court" while simultaneously trying to play morality police. If you want to be a parent and he doesn't that's cool. It is your body. You keep the child, buuuut, he doesn't have to raise it. You act like female birth control doesn't exist. If it's her body she needs to take responsibility for it, not somebody else. You might be surprised at the number of women who suddenly opt to abort when the gravy train option isn't on the table. PS we can pretend like women don't game the system and abuse it as their personal gravy train and we can pretend like the only people who still try to defend it aren't misandrist feminists.... buuuuuuutt.... that would be very disingenuous, wouldn't it? <cite>nfmsz posted [p:925485851] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Lirishae posted... </cite> <quote>What's dishonest here is pretending that men and women's say should be equal when the responsibility and consequences are inherently unequal. Because women actually carry the pregnancy, they assume all of the health risks and the lion's share of childcare. This is why they get the final say in whether or not to abort. The alternative is allowing men with no legal relationship to a woman to make medical decisions on her behalf. If you don't see why that's wrong, there's probably nothing I can say that will help you understand. </quote>You're being dishonest here. You are intentionally misrepresenting reality to suit a narrative. Women are not and never have been the exclusive caretaker in a child's life and they never will be. You are doing exactly what I said was disingenuous in the first place: minimizing women to the status of children when it suits your narrative. <quote> All of which the man could have avoided if he'd used a condom. Your idea of equality is apparently men being able to father children and abandon them. Single women are already holding up their end of the bargain; they take care of the child and pay most of the costs for raising them (which are enormous btw; I sincerely doubt the woman in your example will have any money left over). Heaven forbid that men be expected to contribute something toward the upbringing of their children. </quote>Yet again, this is a double standard. You are placing all of the responsibility solely on one participant. It's dishonest. Take responsibility for YOURSELF. <quote>Drawing equivalency between homicide and suicide is ridiculous. You do realize there's a biiiig difference between killing yourself and killing someone else, right? Either way, you're still wrong. A quick search turns up dozens of stories on men committing suicide after divorce.</quote> It's only ridiculous in your opinion, and it's clear to me you didn't actually understand the point that I was trying to make: this gets high profile visibility but countless other people who have had all but their literal life stolen from them don't count? Where are the high profile, high visibility articles about one individual man who committed suicide after being ravaged by a one-sided divorce? Oh, they don't really exist? Neat! This is why fewer and fewer people take YOUR arguments seriously and why the favoritism in family courts is falling out of style. You basically just said "I don't care if people commit suicide because they've had their entire lives stolen from them forcibly by a court" while simultaneously trying to play morality police. If you want to be a parent and he doesn't that's cool. It is your body. You keep the child, buuuut, he doesn't have to raise it. You act like female birth control doesn't exist. If it's her body she needs to take responsibility for it, not somebody else. You might be surprised at the number of women who suddenly opt to abort when the gravy train option isn't on the table. PS we can pretend like women don't game the system and abuse it as their personal gravy train and we can pretend like the only people who still try to defend it aren't misandrist feminists.... buuuuuuutt.... that would be very disingenuous, wouldn't it? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/01/19 4:06:32 PM #40:	Mead posted... Men and women are different especially when it comes to creating a child. So obviously there are going to be different standards for each sex. If a man doesnt want to risk being possibly responsible for a child then he needs to make the decision to not partake in the act of creating one. kick and scream about that all you want but thats the only way that legally makes any sense in the end and it isnt going to change The only problem is that the only gender that has to beat the consequences are men. Men create a life and are forced to pay for it for 18 years. And sometimes, still barely get any rights. Which is very unfair. If theyre paying, then they should get just as many rights. Women create a life and get money for 18 years. And they can use it for anything they want. Some use it for their child(ren). But not all do... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:925486789] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Men and women are different especially when it comes to creating a child. So obviously there are going to be different standards for each sex. If a man doesnt want to risk being possibly responsible for a child then he needs to make the decision to not partake in the act of creating one. kick and scream about that all you want but thats the only way that legally makes any sense in the end and it isnt going to change </quote> The only problem is that the only gender that has to beat the consequences are men. Men create a life and are forced to pay for it for 18 years. And sometimes, still barely get any rights. Which is very unfair. If theyre paying, then they should get just as many rights. Women create a life and get money for 18 years. And they can use it for anything they want. Some use it for their child(ren). But not all do...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/01/19 4:09:27 PM #41:	LinkPizza posted... The only problem is that the only gender that has to beat the consequences are men. Men create a life and are forced to pay for it for 18 years. And sometimes, still barely get any rights. Which is very unfair. If theyre paying, then they should get just as many rights. Women create a life and get money for 18 years. And they can use it for anything they want. Some use it for their child(ren). But not all do... I get your point but its not like raising a child is free at all, Id imagine child support doesnt even come close to covering the cost of raising a kid lots of guys dont even end up paying their child support --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925486916] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>The only problem is that the only gender that has to beat the consequences are men. Men create a life and are forced to pay for it for 18 years. And sometimes, still barely get any rights. Which is very unfair. If theyre paying, then they should get just as many rights. Women create a life and get money for 18 years. And they can use it for anything they want. Some use it for their child(ren). But not all do...</quote> I get your point but its not like raising a child is free at all, Id imagine child support doesnt even come close to covering the cost of raising a kid lots of guys dont even end up paying their child support </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/01/19 4:18:46 PM #42:	Lirishae posted... All of which the man could have avoided if he'd used a condom. Your idea of equality is apparently men being able to father children and abandon them. Single women are already holding up their end of the bargain; they take care of the child and pay most of the costs for raising them (which are enormous btw; I sincerely doubt the woman in your example will have any money left over). Heaven forbid that men be expected to contribute something toward the upbringing of their children. It could have also been avoided if the women took birth control... And sometimes, the cost of raising them is paid by the fathers money when hes giving them Child support... if they even use it on the child. Also, sometimes, the only reason the father cant do anything with the child is because of he mother... But like i said before, I think there should be something that allows men to break all contact completely. No child support, but also no contact with the child ever... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:925487369] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote>All of which the man could have avoided if he'd used a condom. Your idea of equality is apparently men being able to father children and abandon them. Single women are already holding up their end of the bargain; they take care of the child and pay most of the costs for raising them (which are enormous btw; I sincerely doubt the woman in your example will have any money left over). Heaven forbid that men be expected to contribute something toward the upbringing of their children.</quote> It could have also been avoided if the women took birth control... And sometimes, the cost of raising them is paid by the fathers money when hes giving them Child support... if they even use it on the child. Also, sometimes, the only reason the father cant do anything with the child is because of he mother... But like i said before, I think there should be something that allows men to break all contact completely. No child support, but also no contact with the child ever...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lirishae 08/01/19 4:38:03 PM #43:	nfmsz posted... You're being dishonest here. You are intentionally misrepresenting reality to suit a narrative. Women are not and never have been the exclusive caretaker in a child's life and they never will be. You are doing exactly what I said was disingenuous in the first place: minimizing women to the status of children when it suits your narrative. How on earth is what I said minimizing women to the status of children? It's a simple fact that women perform most of the childcare in this country. If you can't acknowledge that, you're being disingenuous. nfmsz posted... Yet again, this is a double standard. You are placing all of the responsibility solely on one participant. It's dishonest. Take responsibility for YOURSELF. The fact that you bristle at a suggestion that men wear condoms if they don't want to be fathers, and instead expect women to bear of the burden of not getting pregnant because it will inconvenience the man, is ridiculous. 60% of childbearing women use birth control compared to just 19% of men who reliably use condoms. This is in spite of the fact that birth control for women is more expensive, more difficult to access, and has side effects that can be brutal, even life-threatening. nfmsz posted... Where are the high profile, high visibility articles about one individual man who committed suicide after being ravaged by a one-sided divorce? Oh, they don't really exist? Equating suicide with homicide is still just as ridiculous, and you're still just as wrong. https://nypost.com/2017/02/12/surgeon-jumps-from-bridge-after-divorce-from-tv-personality-wife/ http://archive.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2011/07/10/divorced_dad_leaves_clues_to_his_desperation/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2667880/Models-husband-commits-suicide-just-weeks-photographed-getting-cozy-Leonardo-DiCaprio.html https://blogs.findlaw.com/greedy_associates/2017/09/man-commits-suicide-at-law-firm-representing-ex-wife.html nfmsz posted... You basically just said "I don't care if people commit suicide because they've had their entire lives stolen from them forcibly by a court" while simultaneously trying to play morality police. Not what I said at all. What if I accused you of not caring about women killed by their romantic partners because you've spent a whole topic about that issue instead making a big stink about how unfair it is that men have to pay child support? I'm not saying that, mind you, just trying to show you that making assumptions doesn't work. nfmsz posted... You keep the child, buuuut, he doesn't have to raise it. No one is asking him to raise the child if he doesn't want to, but society does expect him to contribute something. Judges prioritize the welfare of the child over the welfare of the parents. nfmsz posted... You act like female birth control doesn't exist. We're talking a situation in which the male does not want the child, but the female does. Female birth control isn't relevant to the discussion. --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155 <cite>Lirishae posted [p:925488226] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>nfmsz posted...</cite> <quote>You're being dishonest here. You are intentionally misrepresenting reality to suit a narrative. Women are not and never have been the exclusive caretaker in a child's life and they never will be. You are doing exactly what I said was disingenuous in the first place: minimizing women to the status of children when it suits your narrative.</quote> How on earth is what I said minimizing women to the status of children? It's a simple fact that women perform most of the childcare in this country. If you can't acknowledge that, you're being disingenuous. nfmsz posted...</cite> <quote>Yet again, this is a double standard. You are placing all of the responsibility solely on one participant. It's dishonest. Take responsibility for YOURSELF.</quote> The fact that you bristle at a suggestion that men wear condoms if they don't want to be fathers, and instead expect women to bear of the burden of not getting pregnant because it will inconvenience the man, is ridiculous. 60% of childbearing women use birth control compared to just 19% of men who reliably use condoms. This is in spite of the fact that birth control for women is more expensive, more difficult to access, and has side effects that can be brutal, even life-threatening. nfmsz posted...</cite> <quote>Where are the high profile, high visibility articles about one individual man who committed suicide after being ravaged by a one-sided divorce? Oh, they don't really exist?</quote> Equating suicide with homicide is still just as ridiculous, and you're still just as wrong. https://nypost.com/2017/02/12/surgeon-jumps-from-bridge-after-divorce-from-tv-personality-wife/ http://archive.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2011/07/10/divorced_dad_leaves_clues_to_his_desperation/ https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2667880/Models-husband-commits-suicide-just-weeks-photographed-getting-cozy-Leonardo-DiCaprio.html https://blogs.findlaw.com/greedy_associates/2017/09/man-commits-suicide-at-law-firm-representing-ex-wife.html nfmsz posted...</cite> <quote>You basically just said "I don't care if people commit suicide because they've had their entire lives stolen from them forcibly by a court" while simultaneously trying to play morality police.</quote> Not what I said at all. What if I accused you of not caring about women killed by their romantic partners because you've spent a whole topic about that issue instead making a big stink about how unfair it is that men have to pay child support? I'm not saying that, mind you, just trying to show you that making assumptions doesn't work. nfmsz posted...</cite> <quote>You keep the child, buuuut, he doesn't have to raise it.</quote> No one is asking him to raise the child if he doesn't want to, but society does expect him to contribute something. Judges prioritize the welfare of the child over the welfare of the parents. nfmsz posted...</cite> <quote>You act like female birth control doesn't exist.</quote> We're talking a situation in which the male does not want the child, but the female does. Female birth control isn't relevant to the discussion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lirishae 08/01/19 4:45:55 PM #44:	LinkPizza posted... It could have also been avoided if the women took birth control... And sometimes, the cost of raising them is paid by the fathers money when hes giving them Child support... if they even use it on the child. Also, sometimes, the only reason the father cant do anything with the child is because of he mother... But like i said before, I think there should be something that allows men to break all contact completely. No child support, but also no contact with the child ever... This is a situation in which the woman wants the child but the father doesn't. Expecting the woman to bear the burden of not getting pregnant in order to avoid inconveniencing the man is ridiculous. And that "if they even use it on the child" of yours is very telling about your mindset toward women. It is incredibly expensive to raise a child. Unless the father is rich or the mother is neglectful, there's no way that money isn't getting spent on the child. Please tell me, what do you think will happen to hundreds of thousands of children if their fathers all walk away and refuse to see them or support them? --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155 <cite>Lirishae posted [p:925488567] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>It could have also been avoided if the women took birth control... And sometimes, the cost of raising them is paid by the fathers money when hes giving them Child support... if they even use it on the child. Also, sometimes, the only reason the father cant do anything with the child is because of he mother... But like i said before, I think there should be something that allows men to break all contact completely. No child support, but also no contact with the child ever...</quote> This is a situation in which the woman wants the child but the father doesn't. Expecting the woman to bear the burden of not getting pregnant in order to avoid inconveniencing the man is ridiculous. And that "if they even use it on the child" of yours is very telling about your mindset toward women. It is incredibly expensive to raise a child. Unless the father is rich or the mother is neglectful, there's no way that money isn't getting spent on the child. Please tell me, what do you think will happen to hundreds of thousands of children if their fathers all walk away and refuse to see them or support them?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 08/01/19 5:06:10 PM #45:	Mead posted... nfmsz posted... Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet? Oh well, scream double standards all you want, men and women dont go through the same thing to create life so there are different standards for each sex And Link, myself, and others aren't expecting the same thing for a man who doesn't want to be a father as a woman who doesn't want to be a mother. For her, she'd get an abortion. For him, since he can't dictate what she does w/ her body, the closest/fairest equivalent is being able to sign away parental rights and responsibilities. Mead posted... If a man doesnt want to risk being possibly responsible for a child then he needs to make the decision to not partake in the act of creating one. The same fucking "argument" the anti-abortion people make towards women who are pro-choice. I thought you'd at least know how woefully inadequate and unrealistic "abstinence only" approaches are. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:925489504] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>nfmsz posted... </cite> <quote>Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet?</quote> Oh well, scream double standards all you want, men and women dont go through the same thing to create life so there are different standards for each sex </quote> And Link, myself, and others aren't expecting the same thing for a man who doesn't want to be a father as a woman who doesn't want to be a mother. For her, she'd get an abortion. For him, since he can't dictate what she does w/ her body, the closest/fairest equivalent is being able to sign away parental rights and responsibilities. Mead posted...</cite> <quote>If a man doesnt want to risk being possibly responsible for a child then he needs to make the decision to not partake in the act of creating one.</quote> The same fucking "argument" the anti-abortion people make towards women who are pro-choice. I thought you'd at least know how woefully inadequate and unrealistic "abstinence only" approaches are.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/01/19 5:21:58 PM #46:	Lirishae posted... LinkPizza posted... It could have also been avoided if the women took birth control... And sometimes, the cost of raising them is paid by the fathers money when hes giving them Child support... if they even use it on the child. Also, sometimes, the only reason the father cant do anything with the child is because of he mother... But like i said before, I think there should be something that allows men to break all contact completely. No child support, but also no contact with the child ever... This is a situation in which the woman wants the child but the father doesn't. Expecting the woman to bear the burden of not getting pregnant in order to avoid inconveniencing the man is ridiculous. And that "if they even use it on the child" of yours is very telling about your mindset toward women. It is incredibly expensive to raise a child. Unless the father is rich or the mother is neglectful, there's no way that money isn't getting spent on the child. Please tell me, what do you think will happen to hundreds of thousands of children if their fathers all walk away and refuse to see them or support them? They dont always want it. Even in this case, she was apparently trying to get rid of it. If it were born, people would still be blaming only the man, when it was half her fault, as well. And in the case of unwanted pregnancies, people still blame the man when the woman also deserves half the blame. And its not ridiculous for a woman to take precautions to not get pregnant. Anyone who thinks its only the mans responsibility is ridiculous. You have no telling of my mindset. The only reason I say that is because Ive seen it. Not only for woman. Men, too. But its usually women who get the child support. So, take your assumptions elsewhere. If the hundreds of thousands of fathers walk away without paying, its possible nothing changes. Lots of fathers already dont pay child support. Or try not to. Some make barely anything. And woman can make enough money to raise a family. If they wanted a family so bad that they had a kid even though the father didnt want one, then they should hopefully have the financial stability to support it. Why have a child if you knew you wouldnt be able to support it. Thats financially irresponsible... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:925490164] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>It could have also been avoided if the women took birth control... And sometimes, the cost of raising them is paid by the fathers money when hes giving them Child support... if they even use it on the child. Also, sometimes, the only reason the father cant do anything with the child is because of he mother... But like i said before, I think there should be something that allows men to break all contact completely. No child support, but also no contact with the child ever...</quote> This is a situation in which the woman wants the child but the father doesn't. Expecting the woman to bear the burden of not getting pregnant in order to avoid inconveniencing the man is ridiculous. And that "if they even use it on the child" of yours is very telling about your mindset toward women. It is incredibly expensive to raise a child. Unless the father is rich or the mother is neglectful, there's no way that money isn't getting spent on the child. Please tell me, what do you think will happen to hundreds of thousands of children if their fathers all walk away and refuse to see them or support them?</quote> They dont always want it. Even in this case, she was apparently trying to get rid of it. If it were born, people would still be blaming only the man, when it was half her fault, as well. And in the case of unwanted pregnancies, people still blame the man when the woman also deserves half the blame. And its not ridiculous for a woman to take precautions to not get pregnant. Anyone who thinks its only the mans responsibility is ridiculous. You have no telling of my mindset. The only reason I say that is because Ive seen it. Not only for woman. Men, too. But its usually women who get the child support. So, take your assumptions elsewhere. If the hundreds of thousands of fathers walk away without paying, its possible nothing changes. Lots of fathers already dont pay child support. Or try not to. Some make barely anything. And woman can make enough money to raise a family. If they wanted a family so bad that they had a kid even though the father didnt want one, then they should hopefully have the financial stability to support it. Why have a child if you knew you wouldnt be able to support it. Thats financially irresponsible...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/01/19 5:28:48 PM #47:	streamofthesky posted... Mead posted... nfmsz posted... Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet? Oh well, scream double standards all you want, men and women dont go through the same thing to create life so there are different standards for each sex And Link, myself, and others aren't expecting the same thing for a man who doesn't want to be a father as a woman who doesn't want to be a mother. For her, she'd get an abortion. For him, since he can't dictate what she does w/ her body, the closest/fairest equivalent is being able to sign away parental rights and responsibilities. This is true. And even if the woman doesnt want (or cant have) an abortion, she could sign away the rights just like the man can and give the father complete control, as well. And the same conditions would apply to her. She cannot have contact with the child ever again... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:925490462] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>nfmsz posted... </cite> <quote>Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet?</quote> Oh well, scream double standards all you want, men and women dont go through the same thing to create life so there are different standards for each sex </quote> And Link, myself, and others aren't expecting the same thing for a man who doesn't want to be a father as a woman who doesn't want to be a mother. For her, she'd get an abortion. For him, since he can't dictate what she does w/ her body, the closest/fairest equivalent is being able to sign away parental rights and responsibilities.</quote> This is true. And even if the woman doesnt want (or cant have) an abortion, she could sign away the rights just like the man can and give the father complete control, as well. And the same conditions would apply to her. She cannot have contact with the child ever again...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
streamofthesky 08/01/19 5:38:01 PM #48:	LinkPizza posted... streamofthesky posted... Mead posted... nfmsz posted... Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet? Oh well, scream double standards all you want, men and women dont go through the same thing to create life so there are different standards for each sex And Link, myself, and others aren't expecting the same thing for a man who doesn't want to be a father as a woman who doesn't want to be a mother. For her, she'd get an abortion. For him, since he can't dictate what she does w/ her body, the closest/fairest equivalent is being able to sign away parental rights and responsibilities. This is true. And even if the woman doesnt want (or cant have) an abortion, she could sign away the rights just like the man can and give the father complete control, as well. And the same conditions would apply to her. She cannot have contact with the child ever again... I don't know why a woman would go through pregnancy, labor, and child birth just to sign away her rights to the kid, but sure. If she wanted to do that. <cite>streamofthesky posted [p:925490856] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>nfmsz posted... </cite> <quote>Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet?</quote> Oh well, scream double standards all you want, men and women dont go through the same thing to create life so there are different standards for each sex </quote> And Link, myself, and others aren't expecting the same thing for a man who doesn't want to be a father as a woman who doesn't want to be a mother. For her, she'd get an abortion. For him, since he can't dictate what she does w/ her body, the closest/fairest equivalent is being able to sign away parental rights and responsibilities.</quote> This is true. And even if the woman doesnt want (or cant have) an abortion, she could sign away the rights just like the man can and give the father complete control, as well. And the same conditions would apply to her. She cannot have contact with the child ever again...</quote> I don't know why a woman would go through pregnancy, labor, and child birth just to sign away her rights to the kid, but sure. If she wanted to do that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkPizza 08/01/19 5:41:04 PM #49:	streamofthesky posted... LinkPizza posted... streamofthesky posted... Mead posted... nfmsz posted... Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet? Oh well, scream double standards all you want, men and women dont go through the same thing to create life so there are different standards for each sex And Link, myself, and others aren't expecting the same thing for a man who doesn't want to be a father as a woman who doesn't want to be a mother. For her, she'd get an abortion. For him, since he can't dictate what she does w/ her body, the closest/fairest equivalent is being able to sign away parental rights and responsibilities. This is true. And even if the woman doesnt want (or cant have) an abortion, she could sign away the rights just like the man can and give the father complete control, as well. And the same conditions would apply to her. She cannot have contact with the child ever again... I don't know why a woman would go through pregnancy, labor, and child birth just to sign away her rights to the kid, but sure. If she wanted to do that. Well, some places have the new (and idiotic) anti-abortion law. And some other places are also trying to get it (though I dont know why)... If that spreads, than men woman would have to go through all that stuff (And I bet people would still blame the man even though half the responsibility lies with the woman, especially if she also didnt want a kid)... Theres also the chance that they dont want to get one for religious reasons. Or things like that. So, it could happen... Its just another option women can have... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:925490979] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted...</cite> <quote>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>nfmsz posted... </cite> <quote>Haha man reverse the roles in your post and it's misogyny Are you done yet?</quote> Oh well, scream double standards all you want, men and women dont go through the same thing to create life so there are different standards for each sex </quote> And Link, myself, and others aren't expecting the same thing for a man who doesn't want to be a father as a woman who doesn't want to be a mother. For her, she'd get an abortion. For him, since he can't dictate what she does w/ her body, the closest/fairest equivalent is being able to sign away parental rights and responsibilities.</quote> This is true. And even if the woman doesnt want (or cant have) an abortion, she could sign away the rights just like the man can and give the father complete control, as well. And the same conditions would apply to her. She cannot have contact with the child ever again...</quote> I don't know why a woman would go through pregnancy, labor, and child birth just to sign away her rights to the kid, but sure. If she wanted to do that.</quote> Well, some places have the new (and idiotic) anti-abortion law. And some other places are also trying to get it (though I dont know why)... If that spreads, than men woman would have to go through all that stuff (And I bet people would still blame the man even though half the responsibility lies with the woman, especially if she also didnt want a kid)... Theres also the chance that they dont want to get one for religious reasons. Or things like that. So, it could happen... Its just another option women can have...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
McSame_as_Bush 08/01/19 5:51:03 PM #50:	I understand the frustration, but that seems like an overreaction. --- Warren 2020 Hell hath no fury like the vindictiveness of those who are hurt by the truth being told to them. <cite>McSame_as_Bush posted [p:925491395] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>I understand the frustration, but that seems like an overreaction. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/01/19 6:08:53 PM #51:	streamofthesky posted... And Link, myself, and others aren't expecting the same thing for a man who doesn't want to be a father as a woman who doesn't want to be a mother. For her, she'd get an abortion. For him, since he can't dictate what she does w/ her body, the closest/fairest equivalent is being able to sign away parental rights and responsibilities. The same fucking "argument" the anti-abortion people make towards women who are pro-choice. I thought you'd at least know how woefully inadequate and unrealistic "abstinence only" approaches are. Im not a proponent of abstinence at all. People should have as much sex as theyd like as long as its legal and consensual, but there can also be consequences like pregnancy and men dont get to just absolve themselves of that if the woman decides once she is pregnant that the right thing for her to do is carry the child to term. --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:925492125] in 22 y/o MIS... [t:77903066]...</cite> <quote>streamofthesky posted... </cite> <quote>And Link, myself, and others aren't expecting the same thing for a man who doesn't want to be a father as a woman who doesn't want to be a mother. For her, she'd get an abortion. For him, since he can't dictate what she does w/ her body, the closest/fairest equivalent is being able to sign away parental rights and responsibilities. The same fucking "argument" the anti-abortion people make towards women who are pro-choice. I thought you'd at least know how woefully inadequate and unrealistic "abstinence only" approaches are.</quote> Im not a proponent of abstinence at all. People should have as much sex as theyd like as long as its legal and consensual, but there can also be consequences like pregnancy and men dont get to just absolve themselves of that if the woman decides once she is pregnant that the right thing for her to do is carry the child to term. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Poll of the Day > 22 y/o MISOGYNIST Murdered his G/F because she REFUSED to get an ABORTION!!!