Poll of the Day > 22 y/o MISOGYNIST Murdered his G/F because she REFUSED to get an ABORTION!!!

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Mead posted...

streamofthesky posted...

And Link, myself, and others aren't expecting the same thing for a man who doesn't want to be a father as a woman who doesn't want to be a mother.
For her, she'd get an abortion.
For him, since he can't dictate what she does w/ her body, the closest/fairest equivalent is being able to sign away parental rights and responsibilities.

The same fucking "argument" the anti-abortion people make towards women who are pro-choice. I thought you'd at least know how woefully inadequate and unrealistic "abstinence only" approaches are.

Im not a proponent of abstinence at all. People should have as much sex as theyd like as long as its legal and consensual, but there can also be consequences like pregnancy and men dont get to just absolve themselves of that if the woman decides once she is pregnant that the right thing for her to do is carry the child to term.

But they should be able to. Woman can choose to have it or not. They can also choose to keep it or not afterwards. Men, who help make it, get no choice on that at all. So, I think this would be good because it can help them have more rights when it comes to a child. If a woman cant take care of a child without taking somebody elses money, she probably shouldnt have it, tbh...
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LinkPizza posted...

But they should be able to. Woman can choose to have it or not. They can also choose to keep it or not afterwards. Men, who help make it, get no choice on that at all. So, I think this would be good because it can help them have more rights when it comes to a child. If a woman cant take care of a child without taking somebody elses money, she probably shouldnt have it, tbh...

Men get to decide whether to help make it or not. Thats their part

men have a strong biological drive to have sex(plenty of women do too) but theres also a very real drive to protect a child once you know its growing in you that many women feel

so even though it may seem unfair a woman might change her mind and decide to remain pregnant even if she felt differently beforehand

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Lirishae posted...

How on earth is what I said minimizing women to the status of children? It's a simple fact that women perform most of the childcare in this country. If you can't acknowledge that, you're being disingenuous.

The fact that you bristle at a suggestion that men wear condoms if they don't want to be fathers, and instead expect women to bear of the burden of not getting pregnant because it will inconvenience the man, is ridiculous. 60% of childbearing women use birth control compared to just 19% of men who reliably use condoms. This is in spite of the fact that birth control for women is more expensive, more difficult to access, and has side effects that can be brutal, even life-threatening.

Equating suicide with homicide is still just as ridiculous, and you're still just as wrong.

https://nypost.com/2017/02/12/surgeon-jumps-from-bridge-after-divorce-from-tv-personality-wife/

http://archive.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2011/07/10/divorced_dad_leaves_clues_to_his_desperation/

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2667880/Models-husband-commits-suicide-just-weeks-photographed-getting-cozy-Leonardo-DiCaprio.html

https://blogs.findlaw.com/greedy_associates/2017/09/man-commits-suicide-at-law-firm-representing-ex-wife.html

Not what I said at all. What if I accused you of not caring about women killed by their romantic partners because you've spent a whole topic about that issue instead making a big stink about how unfair it is that men have to pay child support? I'm not saying that, mind you, just trying to show you that making assumptions doesn't work.

No one is asking him to raise the child if he doesn't want to, but society does expect him to contribute something. Judges prioritize the welfare of the child over the welfare of the parents.

We're talking a situation in which the male does not want the child, but the female does. Female birth control isn't relevant to the discussion.

Imagine genuinely trying to justify a double standard. Imagine typing all this up just to still be wrong.

Imagine genuinely believing that somebody should be forced to pay for something that they don't want while at the same time trying to say that women shouldn't be forced to carry a baby lmao. That's you. Illogical to the core. You don't care about equality and we all know it. The sum of your argument is "it's okay to force someone to do something as long as it's a male and as long as it's for the benefit of a female."

At the risk of the moderation, go fuck yourself lmao

Imagine genuinely believing that somebody should be forced to pay for something that they don't want

that they helped create willingly

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Mead posted...

LinkPizza posted...

But they should be able to. Woman can choose to have it or not. They can also choose to keep it or not afterwards. Men, who help make it, get no choice on that at all. So, I think this would be good because it can help them have more rights when it comes to a child. If a woman cant take care of a child without taking somebody elses money, she probably shouldnt have it, tbh...

Men get to decide whether to help make it or not. Thats their part

men have a strong biological drive to have sex(plenty of women do too) but theres also a very real drive to protect a child once you know its growing in you that many women feel

so even though it may seem unfair a woman might change her mind and decide to remain pregnant even if she felt differently beforehand

And thats fine if she changes her mind. They can do that. Perfectly fair. I just dont think that forcing a man to pay for it is fair if he doesnt want to. I think he should have a chance to completely cut himself out of the relationship. As I said, it carries its own consequences. No contact with the child ever. And I mean EVER. And that contact could result in prison time. Thats all. I dont think its fair that after a woman decides to keep a baby she never originally wanted (just like the father didnt want) to then turn around and demand money from the guy. I think she should be financially able to raise a child without having to take money from the father. Or close to it...
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Mead posted...

that they helped create willingly

two to tango
she doesn't, he does, he gets no say
he does, she doesn't, no say

either he gets a say or he's not paying
it's that simple

you ladies think you've got it by the balls meanwhile all these men are dropping out of society at record rates and want nothing to do with you and you still somehow made it out to be somebody else's fault

PS my advice to men who are still planning to marry and try their luck: get snipped. That way if she ends up pregnant you know she's a cheater who was never worth putting a ring on and you have documented proof that you are physically incapable of producing children. Vasectomies are in the overwhelming majority of cases completely reversible if you ever do find a good woman to start a family with.

YOU DO NOT have to tell them about this procedure as it is protected under HIPAA (in the US) because it does not specifically put them in any sort of harm.