Board 8 > your guys thoughts on Smash Ultimate

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What do you guys think about it?

I think it's decent, but lacking in innovation. It felt a lot like Smash 4.

I also hate when they do those "slow-down" killing blows.

The Midgar level is so sick though. That's my one positive.
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is very fun
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Says it's too much like Smash 4

One compliment is a stage from Smash 4
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I'm enjoying it as much as I've enjoyed a Smash Bros game since Melee, and I've almost exclusively played single player.
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#3 best game of all time at minimum
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It's fun. I never played Smash 4 so it was nice to play a new Smash after Brawl.
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Haven't played it, probably will over Christmas break. I have Smash 4 though so I don't know how different it actually is.
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At least competitively it feels like a tremendous step up from 4, but obviously we have to wait for the grossness of the meta to fully develop.

Worst menu-ing of a game pound-for-pound I have ever seen in my life though. How did they fuck that up so bad? Takes 3 minutes to change minor rules, and god forbid you dont have a name, or were on the wrong one. Patch this...
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Lovin it
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It's probably my favorite Smash.
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Best Smash, Best fighting game ever.
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I'm still waffling on whether its better than 4.

Ultimately if they had just given us 4 but with an improved tweaked smash run and a fine tuned smash tour and better menus I might have preferred that.

4's problems were mostly due to how it artificially stretched out the game, and ultimate fixes that, but in doing so it also takes out a lot of what made 4 a game that could be played forever
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it good
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SantaRPidgey posted...

I'm still waffling on whether its better than 4.

Ultimately if they had just given us 4 but with an improved tweaked smash run and a fine tuned smash tour and better menus I might have preferred that.

4's problems were mostly due to how it artificially stretched out the game, and ultimate fixes that, but in doing so it also takes out a lot of what made 4 a game that could be played forever

preferring 4 over Ultimate makes the least amount of sense in Smash predecessor-vs-sequel history

like even preferring Smash 3DS over Wii U has more logic behind it since 3DS had all the good stages vs Wii U's selection of trash, and 3DS had the superior bonus game mode (Smash Run)

like i have zero clue what your last sentence is even referring to that 4 could be played forever
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Santa reeeeeally hates inconvenience, so stuff like the aforementioned menuing and stuff like it not saving which costume you used really bug him

Not saying he's wrong

Doesn't bother me much, though. Best Smash by far.
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ViviffTheMobile posted...

At least competitively it feels like a tremendous step up from 4, but obviously we have to wait for the grossness of the meta to fully develop.

Worst menu-ing of a game pound-for-pound I have ever seen in my life though. How did they fuck that up so bad? Takes 3 minutes to change minor rules, and god forbid you dont have a name, or were on the wrong one. Patch this...

@ViviffTheMobile

thoughts on Wolf vs. his Brawl iteration so far?
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Christmas should arrive so I can play this already!
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Brawl is still my favorite, but Ultimate is really good. Spirits is much better than anything Smash 4 Wii U had to offer. I would have loved to see Smash Run return from the 3DS version, but what can ya do.
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I haven't played a smash game since Melee. I was super hyped for this but have had a real hard time getting into it. I'm really bad at it and get frustrated easily while playing. Something about character movement doesn't click with me.

I may try to adjust controller settings whenever I get back into it. Anybody have suggestions?
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GuessMyUserName posted...

#3 best game of all time at minimum

damn!!!! high praise
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Underleveled posted...

Says it's too much like Smash 4

One compliment is a stage from Smash 4

Oh Midgar was in Smash 4? I did not know that
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HashtagSEP posted...

Santa reeeeeally hates inconvenience, so stuff like the aforementioned menuing and stuff like it not saving which costume you used really bug him

Not saying he's wrong

Doesn't bother me much, though. Best Smash by far.

i find it hard to accept this given santas love for flawed gems like opoona
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Well it is much like Smash 4 but that's okay because Smash 4 with a single player mode that exists and more characters and slightly better balance is the best Smash game.
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StifledSilence posted...

Brawl is still my favorite

Whoa
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My favorite smash game is 64, followed by melee.

Right now... ultimate would be 3rd though, followed by smash 4 then brawl.
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why do they do the "slow down" killing blows like the matrix? It seems cheesy. and kind of takes away from the kill?
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I was on the 64 being king train till Ultimate. 64 still has my favorite feeling gameplay in the series. Smash 4 is "close enough" but has no single player to speak of really. 4 vs 64 is definitely close though.

But Ultimate's abundance of characters and content combined with the second best feeling mechanics in the series pushes it over the top. I'll accept slightly less satisfying gameplay for 6x the characters and a ton more content to explore.
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SuperNiceDog posted...

why do they do the "slow down" killing blows like the matrix? It seems cheesy. and kind of takes away from the kill?

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SuperNiceDog posted...

why do they do the "slow down" killing blows like the matrix? It seems cheesy. and kind of takes away from the kill?

cuz its cool
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Ultimate is absolutely loaded with content, especially from a single player stance.

However, there is one thing that Brawl still has in its single player campaign that World of Light lacks. I wish there was more interaction between these characters. In the opening cutscene, you have dialogue from Fox, Zelda, Pit, and Marth, and that's as far as it goes. SSE was brilliant in forming alliances between characters you'd never expect and they make it work, from Diddy Kong and Fox, or Samus and Pikachu, or Olimar and Falcon. In Ultimate, you're supposed to be building a resistance with nearly every Nintendo character ever, but they don't do anything together after Kirby escapes the genocide.
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CelesMyUserName posted...

SantaRPidgey posted...

I'm still waffling on whether its better than 4.

Ultimately if they had just given us 4 but with an improved tweaked smash run and a fine tuned smash tour and better menus I might have preferred that.

4's problems were mostly due to how it artificially stretched out the game, and ultimate fixes that, but in doing so it also takes out a lot of what made 4 a game that could be played forever

preferring 4 over Ultimate makes the least amount of sense in Smash predecessor-vs-sequel history

like even preferring Smash 3DS over Wii U has more logic behind it since 3DS had all the good stages vs Wii U's selection of trash, and 3DS had the superior bonus game mode (Smash Run)

like i have zero clue what your last sentence is even referring to that 4 could be played forever

Sorry, to be clear, when I say I prefer 4 im referring to the best features from two versions. Ultimate is better than both individually, but 4s combined best features would trump ultimate (maybe.)
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CelesMyUserName posted...

SuperNiceDog posted...

why do they do the "slow down" killing blows like the matrix? It seems cheesy. and kind of takes away from the kill?

cuz its cool

k. For me it seems to take away from the kill, turns it into kind of a joke
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What a weird opinion
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Smash Ultimate is the best Smash game and it's not even really close unless you love shitty platforming a lot, or you love having to press L every time you land with an aerial attack to reduce landing lag.

World of Light is so much better than Subspace, the fights are more creative and challenging, the bosses are better, more challenging, and fairly made, and I don't really care about hamfisted interactions being left out of the mode.

Classic mode is the best it's ever been. Loading doesn't take too long, the mode is short and sweet, the bonus game doesn't feel like a massive chore for half the cast (As much as I love race to the finish, that mode sucked with a lot of characters) and is fun, having fixed stages and fights is way better than praying you don't get PACLAND or 75M... you get the picture. I don't mind the Hands being there that often either, because they're usually fun to fight (unless they do that screen shrinking move, fuck that <_<)

The cast is the best it's ever been. This is objective. Nobody can argue against the cast in this game, because it has everybody plus killer newcomers.

The soundtrack is the best it's ever been. This is more subjective, but having most of the good tracks from previous games return plus Castlevania, Splatoon, select new ones for other series, and more music on the way with the Fighter Pass, it's unbeatable.

Even though the online still has issues, it's amazing for playing with people who live nearby but you can't meet up for whatever reason. It's also still better than the shit Brawl and Smash 4 offered us connection wise.

The stage list is the best it's ever been. There are a couple of unfortunate snubs, but no other game in the series can touch this selection.

The training mode is the best it's ever been, with better options for testing combos against the dummy AI you have set up.

Really, my only complaints so far are that Cruel Smash is still in (Who the fuck is playing this mode for any reason besides achievements?) and All Star Smash is now set up like 100 man smash without any recovery items. That's it. Those are the only issues I have. The list for every other Smash game goes on far longer than Ultimate's, so by default it's the best to me.
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SuperNiceDog posted...

CelesMyUserName posted...

SuperNiceDog posted...

why do they do the "slow down" killing blows like the matrix? It seems cheesy. and kind of takes away from the kill?

cuz its cool

k. For me it seems to take away from the kill, turns it into kind of a joke

You're fucking weird dude.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

SuperNiceDog posted...

CelesMyUserName posted...

SuperNiceDog posted...

why do they do the "slow down" killing blows like the matrix? It seems cheesy. and kind of takes away from the kill?

cuz its cool

k. For me it seems to take away from the kill, turns it into kind of a joke

You're fucking weird dude.

It's possible yea. There's no way to turn off those slow-mo kill effects?
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ExThaNemesis posted...

ViviffTheMobile posted...

At least competitively it feels like a tremendous step up from 4, but obviously we have to wait for the grossness of the meta to fully develop.

Worst menu-ing of a game pound-for-pound I have ever seen in my life though. How did they fuck that up so bad? Takes 3 minutes to change minor rules, and god forbid you dont have a name, or were on the wrong one. Patch this...

@ViviffTheMobile

thoughts on Wolf vs. his Brawl iteration so far?

Im coming around to it. He has a better kit this time around, and Im discovering he doesnt play all that differently than his Brawl version, its just adjusted for the engine and the tools you use are different. Best projectile in the game(ish), and with the dash mechanics an oppressively-safe FSmash. Aggressively defensive is a good way to describe him. Still miss that back-air though..

Also wish he wasnt in total edgelord form this time.
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It has a very hype final boss sequence. And a kind of interminable adventure mode leading up to it.
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Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the slow mo kill thing either. Like it doesn't bother me per se, but it really isn't necessary.
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Slow mo kill shots don't bug me but I do think you should be able to turn them off just in case they do
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Weird that everyone calls them kill shots. I've always thought of them as more like super-crits, since you're probably going to die, but they are survivable if you get sent towards the far edge.

Anyway, I'm loving the game. The thought that's gone into the rulesets of some of the Spirit fights to make them representative of the character is superb.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

thoughts on Wolf vs. his Brawl iteration so far?

absolute trash

where is his guttural smash cry of victory?
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Pretty good, but where are the trips from brawl? Seems to be missing that feature
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StifledSilence posted...

Honestly, I'm not a big fan of the slow mo kill thing either. Like it doesn't bother me per se, but it really isn't necessary.

right??!! It turns what should be an epic moment into a cartoony-farce.
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it's the most fun I've had with a smash game (played Melee, Brawl and 43DS)

ViviffTheMobile posted...

Im coming around to it. He has a better kit this time around, and Im discovering he doesnt play all that differently than his Brawl version, its just adjusted for the engine and the tools you use are different. Best projectile in the game(ish), and with the dash mechanics an oppressively-safe FSmash. Aggressively defensive is a good way to describe him. Still miss that back-air though..

Also wish he wasnt in total edgelord form this time.

What do you mean with the dash mechanics?
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Nevermind I looked it up. How TF I didn't realize this before is nuts but this changes everything for me.
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Not enough Waluigi.
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I wish the slow mo kills happened a little less often, like only for fully charged smash attacks or if it could somehow gauge a perfectly executed strike? I dunno, I like it when it happens during a tense moment, but it seems to happen too much.
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It only ever happens on the last stock on would-be killing blows. IDK what the issue is with em
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