Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 464: Keep Her Name Out Your Mouth

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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Sin Cara and Hunico is still around. I have no idea why.

Oh! Another reason they screwed up Andrade. Remember when he debuted and they pushed his debut against a jobber a couple weeks. And then they hyped a match between Andrade and Sin Cara for next week. A month later Andrade and Sin Cara had a match and it was just a match.

How did this guy not get over?

Obviously because he's too lazy to grab the brass ring, right?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also I dont see how cuckolded applies <_<

He acts as though he is not worthy of her I.e. he as a corollary likely believes someone else is.
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TIL Imposter Syndrome sufferers are cucks
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Well Nakamura is an old man now, but back then the pair were super motivated in their IC feud.

La Sombra also had some terrific main events in Mexico full of emotion and him carrying old guys to superb matches.

Loved him under the mask.
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Eddv posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Also I dont see how cuckolded applies <_<

He acts as though he is not worthy of her I.e. he as a corollary likely believes someone else is.

I... really don't get that vibe from any of his appearances.
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voltch posted...

Well Nakamura is an old man now, but back then the pair were super motivated in their IC feud.

La Sombra also had some terrific main events in Mexico full of emotion and him carrying old guys to superb matches.

Loved him under the mask.

stupid midcard feuds that are 3 guys fighting for the title and go nowhere are the best

I remember Miz and Jack Swagger and I think Morrison doing that and it had a lot of good matches and segments
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I think people are being way too quick on judging Almas' main roster run.

Especially since he's getting to team with the WWE champion and said champion ate the pin instead of him.
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How is "he never wins but he didn't get pinned this one time" a positive?

Because I'll give you one guess who Almas faces next week and whether or not he wins.
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You're right, he'd be better off just being Ty Dillinger and never on TV.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I think people are being way too quick on judging Almas' main roster run.

Especially since he's getting to team with the WWE champion and said champion ate the pin instead of him.

When does it become an acceptable amount of time to judge it?
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NBIceman posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

I think people are being way too quick on judging Almas' main roster run.

Especially since he's getting to team with the WWE champion and said champion ate the pin instead of him.

When does it become an acceptable amount of time to judge it?

Couple years. Mostly because call ups who immediately get the title stuck on them or pointless winning streaks usually die a horrible death once their reign or streak ends.

Right now he's a steady hand putting together great matches who will get a chance when they're ready.
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And remember, if he doesn't get that chance, it's entirely his fault and his fault alone, just like Rusev and Cesaro!
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*insert Million Dollar Man laugh*
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TheRock1525 posted...

You're right, he'd be better off just being Ty Dillinger and never on TV.

Tye Dillinger is injured, is why he isn't on TV now.

Nobody is asking for Andrade to win a title or be undefeated. But the guy never ever wins. Him losing constantly just hurts him more than anything.

But why should anyone have to wait years to say somebody is being used poorly?
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

But why should anyone have to wait years to say somebody is being used poorly?

How long was Almas in NXT until it finally clicked?

StealThisSheen posted...

And remember, if he doesn't get that chance, it's entirely his fault and his fault alone, just like Rusev and Cesaro!

Never what I said but keep spreading those lies.
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TheRock1525 posted...

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

But why should anyone have to wait years to say somebody is being used poorly?

How long was Almas in NXT until it finally clicked?

StealThisSheen posted...

And remember, if he doesn't get that chance, it's entirely his fault and his fault alone, just like Rusev and Cesaro!

Never what I said but keep spreading those lies.

How do you make these bizarre connections? We're saying he's currently being used poorly. Will two more years in the future make us to "Remember when Andrade lost six months straight? In hindsight, that was actually the perfect way to utilize him to keep people from caring about him at all instead of letting him win every once in a while to make it look like he's not a total joke and people can still care about him."
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TheRock1525 posted...

Never what I said but keep spreading those lies.

You made the argument that WWE didn't mess them up, and that they are exactly where they deserve to be

How is that different?
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StealThisSheen posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

Never what I said but keep spreading those lies.

You made the argument that WWE didn't mess them up, and that they are exactly where they deserve to be

How is that different?

Paraphrasing doesn't count, duhhh
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I said no one should lament their fates because they largely ended up where they should be on the card, not that "WWE nailed everything about them start to finish."

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

How do you make these bizarre connections? We're saying he's currently being used poorly. Will two more years in the future make us to "Remember when Andrade lost six months straight? In hindsight, that was actually the perfect way to utilize him to keep people from caring about him at all instead of letting him win every once in a while to make it look like he's not a total joke and people can still care about him."

Becky Lynch went over a year without a PPV win.

Tell me exactly how much you think about that right now.
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Like Rusev is literally the midcard champ right now.
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TheRock1525 posted...

I said no one should lament their fates because they largely ended up where they should be on the card, not that "WWE nailed everything about them start to finish."

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

How do you make these bizarre connections? We're saying he's currently being used poorly. Will two more years in the future make us to "Remember when Andrade lost six months straight? In hindsight, that was actually the perfect way to utilize him to keep people from caring about him at all instead of letting him win every once in a while to make it look like he's not a total joke and people can still care about him."

Becky Lynch went over a year without a PPV win.

Tell me exactly how much you think about that right now.

Literally not the point I was making. I swear you purposefully misread things.
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Or you pretty much have no retort because an obsession over a few extra wins means jack shit. "If only he had three more wins between now and September, he'd be getting properly used!"

And they'd likely all be against R-Truth with maybe a win stolen from an upper carder. How would that advance Almas in terms of story necessary to jump into relevancy? Winning matches becomes this weird obsession where it becomes more important than the booking itself. Johnny Gargano lost a shit ton of matches in 2018 and he's still the most compelling thing going in NXT.
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Here's how you know Almas isn't being used right.

He went months without an appearance.

You can get people over in losses. You just, you know, need to have them actually appear.
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Losing matches is fine if they're doing anything in storyline to compensate

I think that's a detail that is often forgotten

If you're just a guy who appears and loses every week it does no good. Winning every once in a while is okay because you don't tune out their matches

Basically you need a reason to pay attention to the guy. Either because you're invested in the character, or because the result of his matches aren't a mortal lock. The first is preferable but if you can't build the character at all getting a win every once in a while can help.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Here's how you know Almas isn't being used right.

He went months without an appearance.

You can get people over in losses. You just, you know, need to have them actually appear.

Wait, you guys are getting mad at him losing six matches? That's what he's lost since September? Over three months?

Fucking hell yeah get pissed he isn't on TV but six matches?
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Telling people they have to wait a couple of years before not liking how somebody is being used is ludicrous

How is that even being argued
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For me, that doesn't matter so much as the lack of appearances. He is so disjointed in his presentation. I can understand a week here or there for someone, more if you're a jobber with no push. But you should at least get a backstage appearance if you're not on the show. The lack of momentum demonstrates to an audience that no one cares about Almas as an actual valuable component of the show. If his only appearances in the last six months have been a biweekly appearance in a functional qualifier match of some sort, then he's a jobber that doesn't matter.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

For me, that doesn't matter so much as the lack of appearances. He is so disjointed in his presentation. I can understand a week here or there for someone, more if you're a jobber with no push. But you should at least get a backstage appearance if you're not on the show. The lack of momentum demonstrates to an audience that no one cares about Almas as an actual valuable component of the show. If his only appearances in the last six months have been a biweekly appearance in a functional qualifier match of some sort, then he's a jobber that doesn't matter.

I mean he is essentially the Essa Rios to Zelina Vegas Lita.

He is basically a jobber.

Should he fight Tyler Breeze I would assume Breeze was going to win.
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Because this:

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Vince had him do the thing where he goes out and loses a bunch of close matches.

And then never let him win any.

And then got super confused why he didn't get over.

And then he determined it's Andrade's fault he did not get over.

How is baseless speculation any better? He was called up because there was literally nothing left for him in NXT and he's not getting the Ty Dilligenr treatment. I'd rather them keep him lowkey instead of pulling a Bayley and slapping a title on him too soon (especially since the only midcard title on Smackdown has been the KoD lately) or a pointless Bo Dallas style winning streak.

And he is literally an example of "don't obsess over early booking of a character" when he was dancing to the ring in suspenders and a fedora.
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Eddv posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

For me, that doesn't matter so much as the lack of appearances. He is so disjointed in his presentation. I can understand a week here or there for someone, more if you're a jobber with no push. But you should at least get a backstage appearance if you're not on the show. The lack of momentum demonstrates to an audience that no one cares about Almas as an actual valuable component of the show. If his only appearances in the last six months have been a biweekly appearance in a functional qualifier match of some sort, then he's a jobber that doesn't matter.

I mean he is essentially the Essa Rios to Zelina Vegas Lita.

He is basically a jobber.

Should he fight Tyler Breeze I would assume Breeze was going to win.

Right, this is kind of how I feel about him at this point as well. And the discussion is centering around whether he's being pushed or not, so I think it's fair to point out that it's an important role in a weekly wrestling show but still not a real push.
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The world needs welterweights too.

But yeah if you think he is more than that I would be disappointed too.
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I would not be surprised if they used Rusev as a transitional champion to get the belt on him sooner than later.
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When I think of signs that a guy might have a bright future, the first thing that comes to mind is being left off TV except for when you need a guy to take the L so someone else can look good and the guy you're pushing is a bit too legit for local talent
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TheRock1525 posted...

Or you pretty much have no retort because an obsession over a few extra wins means jack shit. "If only he had three more wins between now and September, he'd be getting properly used!"

And they'd likely all be against R-Truth with maybe a win stolen from an upper carder. How would that advance Almas in terms of story necessary to jump into relevancy? Winning matches becomes this weird obsession where it becomes more important than the booking itself. Johnny Gargano lost a shit ton of matches in 2018 and he's still the most compelling thing going in NXT.

Is this really the argument? When everyone else in this topic agrees with me, I just have no retort? Not that I wasn't trying to get on my bus so I can go home, but that I don't have an answer to your impeccable wit?

Like Lopen said, there's no story about it. Andrade is just a jobber. That's all he is. He rarely ever wins and it means nothing when he wins and nothing when he loses.

TheRock1525 posted...

How is baseless speculation any better? He was called up because there was literally nothing left for him in NXT and he's not getting the Ty Dilligenr treatment. I'd rather them keep him lowkey instead of pulling a Bayley and slapping a title on him too soon (especially since the only midcard title on Smackdown has been the KoD lately) or a pointless Bo Dallas style winning streak.

And he is literally an example of "don't obsess over early booking of a character" when he was dancing to the ring in suspenders and a fedora.

Nothing left for him in NXT? He could have kept the title for a while yet. He could be feuding with someone else. He could have done anything. He's now on Smackdown where, like I said before, when they first debuted him they did nothing with him for weeks, despite saying he'd have his debut next week for many weeks, and then it's against a local jobber. Then they say him and Sin Cara are going to have a match next week, and a month later they eventually get around to it. So clearly they had NO IDEA what to do with the dude the second they debuted him.

Hey, here's what I'd rather have Andrade Almas doing. I'd rather him being in interesting programs with different wrestlers. He doesn't need a title and he doesn't need a winning streak. He just needs a storyline that isn't a two-week program that is week 1: have match with male; week 2: lose tag match with male and female.

And it's been reported that Vince has cooled down on Andrade, which more than likely means he thinks he couldn't get over. So hardly baseless speculation.

TheRock1525 posted...

Like Rusev is literally the midcard champ right now.

Going by your logic, we can all say that it's a good thing that all of Rusev's heat with Rusev Day was totally squandered for the better part of six months so that now, eight months later, he has a title in a feud with no heat. Finally, with the benefit of hindsight, we can say it wasn't that Rusev was just poorly used this whole time!
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I hope to see you all back for All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 983: We Can Finally Talk About Almas
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StealThisSheen posted...

I hope to see you all back for All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 983: We Can Finally Talk About Almas

Where Rock will say that since Almas defeated, say, Dolph Ziggler on SD at the top of the second hour, the last two years don't matter.
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I'm sure you're all obsessing over "black sheep" Braun Strowman of the Wyatt family should be a main eventer.
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Or hey remember when you loved Sasha Banks so much. Or how PB insisted Big E was just the worst.
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I still love Sasha Banks :-(
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"Oh man, American Alpha is already tag champs, and they defeated a tag team featuring Randy Orton. They're gonna be huge."

"Bayley is already champ. She's gonna be the top babyface for years to come."
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"Jesus why did they call up Elias Samson? No one even cared about him in NXT."
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I know when I saw Baron Corbin in NXT, I thought "I see a future authority figure right there."
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"Oh no people aren't taking the exact same 'wait and see' stance as me, I better have a meltdown"
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StealThisSheen posted...

"Oh no people aren't taking the exact same 'wait and see' stance as me, I better have a meltdown"

"Oh no I'm a petty asshole who flips out and blocks someone but since I crave arguing with everyone I'll unblock him so I can argue some more."
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When I think about Bayley on the main roster, I definitely think back to that brief period where they kind of sort of paid lip service to the idea of her being relevant and think about how shitty it made her look and wish they had just made her an obvious loser from day 1 so she wouldn't be so doomed now
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I like how he's still misinterpreting everyone's point that Andrade is being used super poorly right now because he thinks it doesn't matter in the future, even though nobody is arguing for or against that and are trying to simply explain that he's being used poorly, currently.

I still don't understand why he thinks that because they may be used better in the future that it doesn't matter how they're being used now despite the fact that it's a problem in the major WWE issue of their writing being absolute shit and talent is being wasted.
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TheRock1525 posted...

StealThisSheen posted...

"Oh no people aren't taking the exact same 'wait and see' stance as me, I better have a meltdown"

"Oh no I'm a petty asshole who flips out and blocks someone but since I crave arguing with everyone I'll unblock him so I can argue some more."

You do you, champ.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I like how he's still misinterpreting everyone's point that Andrade is being used super poorly right now because he thinks it doesn't matter in the future, even though nobody is arguing for or against that and are trying to simply explain that he's being used poorly, currently.

I still don't understand why he thinks that because they may be used better in the future that it doesn't matter how they're being used now despite the fact that it's a problem in the major WWE issue of their writing being absolute shit and talent is being wasted.

He seems to have this unfathomably blind faith in WWE to the point where he criticizes people for disliking stuff in the present because "It could turn out well," pretty much, which is something I just don't get. Like, I used to be a huge "wait and see" guy, but I've been fooled too many times on that.

He's super into the Three Month Rule Kool-Aid.
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I don't know, I think there's a compelling argument to be made that being booked like a chump never has negative long term consequences
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On a related note, they should push Dolph Ziggler as the next top face
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