Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 464: Keep Her Name Out Your Mouth

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TheRock1525 posted...

RaidenGarai posted...

They did? That sucks if it's true. Paige is awesome

Part of me is legit hoping there's some procedure she can get to help her heal up and wrestle again.

I hope so too!

Nice to see the other tag teams on SDL
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The crowd is cheering the fact that they're number 1 in pollution!
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It's official, former General Manager Paige. Hope they find some way to keep her as an on screen character. That really seemed to help keep Paige in a good place.
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with Jeff Hardy doing stuff with Samoa Joe, is there an eventual chance of seeing Willow, or was that only while in TNA
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RaidenGarai posted...

TheRock1525 posted...

RaidenGarai posted...

They did? That sucks if it's true. Paige is awesome

Part of me is legit hoping there's some procedure she can get to help her heal up and wrestle again.

I hope so too!

Nice to see the other tag teams on SDL

She has the Edge injury, right?
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Pikazard1 posted...

with Jeff Hardy doing stuff with Samoa Joe, is there an eventual chance of seeing Willow, or was that only while in TNA

Willow is a Jeff Hardy creation that far predates TNA
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Jakyl25 posted...

She has the Edge injury, right?

Yeah. She did an interview a month or two ago where someone asked her about a rumor that she was medically cleared to wrestle again, and she said that was false since one wrong bump and she could be paralyzed.

Never know what kind of new treatments they could come up with, but it's really not promising :(

I love "I HAVE TILL FIVE"
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well hey they magicked Bryan back together so never say never I guess >_>
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...Mustafa Ali pins Bryan. Well that's certainly something new.
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So a result occured in the taping tonight for next week's (Christmas Day) Smackdown which has led to speculation on a certain superstar's future status. Do not click on the spoilers below if you don't wish to find out.

Rusev won the United States championship from Shinsuke Nakamura. Given how the latter was signed by WWE the exact same time as AJ/Anderson/Gallows, he's probably in contract renegoiations much like the others. I've noticed people online discussing the possibilities of him going back to New Japan, with the arguments against being that he's too beat up for that schedule anymore and that it would cost a lot of money for him to move back.
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https://twitter.com/mrklondikebill/status/1075158250071429121?s=21

Something about this image just feels perfect
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RaidenGarai posted...

...Mustafa Ali pins Bryan. Well that's certainly something new.

Ah, so now we know why they put the title back on Bryan! They needed someone to take the fall for their new "look how crazy we're being!" initiative
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Ali's great, though, so it's okay

I, for one, accept the coming mega push that WWE surely won't screw up
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I know they probably consider him damaged goods, but I think TJP would be a much better inclusion for the main roster.
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Well if you present 205 Live as something to be promoted up from, thatll surely help the struggling brand
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Isn't that how WWE has been phrasing it during this Mustafa Ali thing? I think I read a recap that said that.
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Actually now that I consider it a bit more, maybe it actually would

If you knew you were seeing tomorrows main roster guys instead of a bunch of dudes stuck in a black hole theyll never escape from, maybe you would have more incentive to watch
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That would basically just make it NXT's figurative and somewhat literal little brother
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if it's possible to "graduate" from 205 live it slaps it with the JOBBER label even more

"they're not smaller, they just suck"

Honestly? I think they're just going to end it in the new year and throw everyone on the main roster anyway. I think Mustafa Ali is just to show everyone that these guys won't be boring and shit when they bring them all up. You know, like Drake Maverick was brought up to show everyone that these 205 Live guys have a ton of personality and can provide hilarious segments.
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it's not really that easy to just end it. there's not a lack of talent on the main roster. unless they fire a whole bunch of dead weight they're not really in a position to just drop shows outright.

Here's an interesting thought exercise - if they're trimming dead weight who are more likely to go - Kurt Hawkins Zach Ryder and Tyler Breeze or Buddy Murphy, Cedric Alexander and TJ Perkins.

It's close enough in my mind that Steiners point is well taken.
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I more or less agree, but it's better than the show getting less and less viewership to the point that they're actively wasting money producing it. I just feel like they'll cut their losses and move some to Raw or Smackdown and some to NXT and maybe release others.
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Eddv posted...

Here's an interesting thought exercise - if they're trimming dead weight who are more likely to go - Kurt Hawkins Zach Ryder and Tyler Breeze or Buddy Murphy, Cedric Alexander and TJ Perkins.

It's close enough in my mind that Steiners point is well taken.

I would say Hawkins, Ryder and Breeze, because I feel like the other three have proven they can do some exceptional stuff on 205 Live at least. Whereas Hawkins, Ryder, and Breeze (less so with Breeze) have never proven as much, regardless of if they've ever had a serious chance to prove it. Plus, I think Triple H would go to bat for the 205 guys.
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So you would after some debate take 3 of the top 205 guys over the three jobberiest jobbers.

What were talking about here is basically "who here is earning the right to lose to Heath Slater" even still.
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I don't think they'll job out Cedric or Murphy actually. I think that those two will just bulk up again and break the 205 stigma.

But yes, I think they have more potential for the company than Hawkins and Ryder do at this point.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I more or less agree, but it's better than the show getting less and less viewership to the point that they're actively wasting money producing it. I just feel like they'll cut their losses and move some to Raw or Smackdown and some to NXT and maybe release others.

they are already losing money on 205 live. it is, in fact, 100% losses.

Well this is sort of getting to my point - I cant think of a single mid carder they are pushing that those lads would displace aside from maybe Jinder Mahal or if Rey or Hardy or someone just left.

If theyre gonna be jobbers anyway what need have you to upgrade on guys like Ryder and Hawkins?

I think you'll see like 3 or 4 205 guys cross over longer term to recieve pushes, Ali and Ceddy for sure, and the rest get cut loose
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I know they probably consider him damaged goods, but I think TJP would be a much better inclusion for the main roster.

He lost that right when they fucked up his theme.
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I am listening to Jimmy Jacobs talk about WWE's creative process.

All I can think as he explains this is that this is the most overly complicated thing ever and that it seems impossible to fill out a 40 hour work week with this stuff.
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I am trying to be totally unbiased when listening to this because I actually wanted to believe that they needed this many writers.

But Jimmy Jacobs is answering these questions and justifying it so poorly. Like he says they absolutely need 25 writers right now, and the reason is because there's a ton of moving parts and that they need one person to write one segment each and hash it out for a week straight even though sometimes Vince changes it completely at the 11th hour.

I am having such a hard time trying to follow what the whole process is and I feel like I need to listen to this a second time to understand it. Like apparently they have two teams of writers where one team stays in Stanford and writes scripts while the others travel and come up with ideas and collaborate, but somehow it takes these other writers more than 40 hours a week trying to get a script to Vince on Sunday nights?

Bryan and Mike and just trying to understand it to as respectfully as they can, but you can tell with the questions they're asking they don't seem to get what he's saying either. I just cannot wrap my mind around this process.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I am listening to Jimmy Jacobs talk about WWE's creative process.

All I can think as he explains this is that this is the most overly complicated thing ever and that it seems impossible to fill out a 40 hour work week with this stuff.

Holy shit you arent kidding
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Yeah, everything is geared towards Vince and getting his approval, and you spend so much time trying to make sure hell like it but you never know what his reaction will be

Thats not a healthy work environment!
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A lot of times if youre asking why they did something, the answer is because they have to have SOMETHING on TV for 3 hours

Well that sounds like something I cant wait to watch
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Hes really blaming the oversaturation alone for the bad ratings

They just did their lowest rating of all time headlined by the top babyface vs a top heel in a TLC match for the IC Title. What else could even possibly be done?
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Bryan just flat out nailed him on why TNA works with 4 writers but he says WWE absolutely needs 25 and his answer is pretty pathetic about how WWE needs to be more micromanaged because Vince has so much on the line

Its like these guys have chips implanted to defend Vince at all costs
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Jakyl I am so glad you listened to this too to confirm I am not a crazy bitter person for not understanding any of this.

Was the process as ridiculously convoluted to you as it was to me? Like I still don't get why there's these teams of writers at home and on the road. Do you understand how they fill more than 40 hours a week doing this job?

Like I think Jimmy Jacobs appearing on this to try and explain it just justifies everything people say about the process because it's so inconceivable to me.
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To be fair, TNA is getting less and less ratings. It's not exactly thriving thanks to it's writing.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Do you understand how they fill more than 40 hours a week doing this job?

It sounds to me like a lot of it is just passing the scripts back and forth and everyone making their own notes and changes, and then notes and changes on the notes and changes, just praying Vince shows up on Monday and likes it
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I think the team of writers at home are just people who have successfully convinced management that they dont need to travel all the time <_<
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I havent listened to anything but want to give my take on things

I spoke on this a bit before a bit but WWE is lacking in Viral Moments. The Attitude era was filled with them. Everything the Rock said and every Catchphrase became a viral moment. But its very hard to CREATE a viral moment inorganically. You have to have charisma and something that feels right to the person. Broken Hardys were a viral moment. Why? Because it was things that they thought of like all their life and had a chance to showcase it. A viral moment can basically be something as easy as an Inside Joke that you have with yourself that you show to the world and the connect with it.

They dont have people that understand Viral moments

And when one does come they drive it into the ground. Suplex City? Organic viral moment that just happend. Its Brocks entire persona at this stage. Brock their biggest draw they have, no one wants to see him

I didnt expect to take this in thie direction when I started writing this, but its WHY Becky has such a high cieling right now. She is channeling her inner Connor Mcgregor, who like the Rock is a waling Viral Moment. If they have faith in her and let her run, she can smash the cieling and be THE Big thing.

By the way I am in complete favor of them adding finishers to Becky. Let he tell Charlotte to Be the Man you have to beat the man and then tap her out with a figure 4. Or go full naked no veild and just straight up give her Stunner
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Also he said that you have to script promos because no one but Owens and Cena can ad-lib

Maybe part of the reason why is because THATS NOT TAUGHT BY WWE
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Jakyl25 posted...

PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Do you understand how they fill more than 40 hours a week doing this job?

It sounds to me like a lot of it is just passing the scripts back and forth and everyone making their own notes and changes, and then notes and changes on the notes and changes, just praying Vince shows up on Monday and likes it

Isn't this process totally busted and a waste of time when one guy can get the script and change a ton of stuff at the last second?

Like I don't understand how Jimmy Jacobs could say all the things he said and then not realize how fucking insane it sounds to any normal person outside of the McMahon hivemind.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also he said that you have to script promos because no one but Owens and Cena can ad-lib

Maybe part of the reason why is because THATS NOT TAUGHT BY WWE

That's what promo class in NXT is though! They make up their own promos and then get critiqued on it! It's when they get to the main roster they say "Oh, you take this promo and read it." It sort of sounded like Jimmy Jacobs works with the guys and asks for input on the promos, but I can't honestly believe it's that simple when you get some of the really bad promos and segments like all of this Dean Ambrose and Seth Rollins stuff.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Its like these guys have chips implanted to defend Vince at all costs

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Like its really telling to me how hes ON IMPACT CREATIVE and isnt implementing any of the McMahon method
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Jakyl25 posted...

Bryan just flat out nailed him on why TNA works with 4 writers but he says WWE absolutely needs 25 and his answer is pretty pathetic about how WWE needs to be more micromanaged because Vince has so much on the line

Its like these guys have chips implanted to defend Vince at all costs

the problem came out in a couple of second bit where he says, paraphrasing, that it has to be super scripted because the guys wouldn't know what to say in a 15 minute promo in the ring every week otherwise

well

maybe we need less 15 minute promos in the ring then?
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that interview was super frustrating to listen to
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Jakyl25 posted...

Also he said that you have to script promos because no one but Owens and Cena can ad-lib

Maybe part of the reason why is because THATS NOT TAUGHT BY WWE

This is fucking bullshit!

HHH cant adlib?
Samoa Joe cant adlib?
The fucking Miz cant adlib?