Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 464: Keep Her Name Out Your Mouth

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RAW was ok... had potential be "good" but still some work to do.

(Skipped it completely last week)
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UltimaterializerX posted...

Ah. Got you. My bad.

And hey I love Roman. Dude looks cool af.

Romans cool, but they never booked him to be heroic
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One of the matches next week is Heath vs Jinder

Why they gotta fight
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In relatively modern WWE this happened:

A racist tries to cripple another man.
A cowardly third man helps to cripple the second man even more and steals the second man's championship.
The second man promises revenge on the coward when he is healthy.
The second man gets healthy and gets his revenge in a one on one fight, proving he is a man who lives up to his word, and in a fair fight can kick ass.

The cowardly third man was the hero.

By those standards, Roman is a saint.
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also it just dawned on me that was like 6 years ago time passing fucking sucks
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...

In relatively modern WWE this happened:

A racist tries to cripple another man.
A cowardly third man helps to cripple the second man even more and steals the second man's championship.
The second man promises revenge on the coward when he is healthy.
The second man gets healthy and gets his revenge in a one on one fight, proving he is a man who lives up to his word, and in a fair fight can kick ass.

The cowardly third man was the hero.

By those standards, Roman is a saint.

And that man? Albert Einstein.
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So why in the world did they choose these five people from NXT to come in?

None of them have gotten super over. If they wanted to really shake things up, why aren't more over people there? Nikki Cross is the most over, probably, and she'll just be joining the stable they haven't done anything yet.

I just don't get these choices.
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Otis Dozovic is exactly the type of guy Vince will love.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

So why in the world did they choose these five people from NXT to come in?

None of them have gotten super over. If they wanted to really shake things up, why aren't more over people there? Nikki Cross is the most over, probably, and she'll just be joining the stable they haven't done anything yet.

I just don't get these choices.

Isn't Lars Sullivan supposed to be ZOMGZ NEXT BIG THING SUPERPUSH INCOMING guy?
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I always heard EC3 was going to the main roster quickly but a small injury delayed that somewhat. Nikki is fine, dunno if she'll just go back to Sanity. I'd like that but they seem to want to keep men and women separate on the main roster these days outside of MMC.

As for the rest, I have no idea. I think they've been calling people up too quickly for awhile. I get the feeling Heavy Machinery is headed for an Ascension-level spot on the card.
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bryans7 posted...

I always heard EC3 was going to the main roster quickly but a small injury delayed that somewhat. Nikki is fine, dunno if she'll just go back to Sanity. I'd like that but they seem to want to keep men and women separate on the main roster these days outside of MMC.

As for the rest, I have no idea. I think they've been calling people up too quickly for awhile. I get the feeling Heavy Machinery is headed for an Ascension-level spot on the card.

That's if creative remember Sanity are on SD!
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

So why in the world did they choose these five people from NXT to come in?

None of them have gotten super over. If they wanted to really shake things up, why aren't more over people there? Nikki Cross is the most over, probably, and she'll just be joining the stable they haven't done anything yet.

I just don't get these choices.

yep. callups aren't the answer right now. over callups would help, until the product killed them, but wouldn't be the answer either.

Panthera posted...

When the WWE makes a big announcement, it's that they've decided that trying to put on a show people might want to see sounds like a good idea to pay lip service to

amazing
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Conspiracy theory: Triple H just gave Vince the talent he didnt want
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bryans7 posted...

I get the feeling Heavy Machinery is headed for an Ascension-level spot on the card.

Thats not far from where they belong though

But they do belong somewhere! I could use an Otis sighting every week
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Otis and Breeze reopen the Fashion Files.
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https://twitter.com/fo_vverhei/status/1074879861498339328?s=21

Is this true? Lol
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Owens and Paige came up while still NXT champs, so anything's possible.
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Jakyl25 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ah. Got you. My bad.

And hey I love Roman. Dude looks cool af.

Romans cool, but they never booked him to be heroic

Has.... has WWE pushed a main event level actually heroic babyface since fucking Goldberg?
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Eddv posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ah. Got you. My bad.

And hey I love Roman. Dude looks cool af.

Romans cool, but they never booked him to be heroic

Has.... has WWE pushed a main event level actually heroic babyface since fucking Goldberg?

Bryan, reluctantly
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Jakyl25 posted...

Eddv posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ah. Got you. My bad.

And hey I love Roman. Dude looks cool af.

Romans cool, but they never booked him to be heroic

Has.... has WWE pushed a main event level actually heroic babyface since fucking Goldberg?

Bryan, reluctantly

That was actually before the most recent goldberg run <_<

I mean surely we consider John Cena heroic right?
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Roman reigns needs ro come out and smooch all the babes

That's what a hero does
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Goldberg's return might be my favorite promo of all time.
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Eddv posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Eddv posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ah. Got you. My bad.

And hey I love Roman. Dude looks cool af.

Romans cool, but they never booked him to be heroic

Has.... has WWE pushed a main event level actually heroic babyface since fucking Goldberg?

Bryan, reluctantly

That was actually before the most recent goldberg run <_<

I mean surely we consider John Cena heroic right?

Oh I thought you meant Goldberg 03, lol

Cena wasnt always super virtuous!
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...

Goldberg's return might be my favorite promo of all time.

When he puts on the Goldust wig right?
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Jakyl25 posted...

WarThaNemesis2 posted...

Goldberg's return might be my favorite promo of all time.

When he puts on the Goldust wig right?

I don't want to dislike you man.

Don't make me dislike you.
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Cena's definitely close enough. If your bar is Cena not being heroic enough I think you need to lower it slightly.
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Hey if Rollins isnt up for the Brock match at WM, Goldberg could get his rematch

I know rematches are dead but he didnt know it at the time!
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Well, Vince is noted on not understanding why people would like Noble baby faces because he thinks people who are too nice are idiots in real life, so that's probably why we never have any great, good baby faces and any ones we do get are buried hard.
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I was thinking about the current wrestling landscape after Dave said this was the best time financially to be a wrestler since WCW died

Was this possible all along and the existence of TNA was suppressing it?
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Jakyl25 posted...

Was this possible all along and the existence of TNA was suppressing it?

Well the rise of streaming services and general stagnation among original TV programming is what enabled WWE to snag a lucrative TV contract. The former also helped allow WWE Network to become more profitable.

So no probably not. In fact if TNA hadn't dropped the ball by pissing off Spike they could probably be turning a profit right now too-- I'm sure they could've maintained leverage worthy ratings had they not blundered so many times. It's not like WWE's current ratings are very far above peak TNA's at all.
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TNA lol.
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https://imgur.com/a/VXCwrId

boy did this come full circle in a cool way this year
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Lopen posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

Was this possible all along and the existence of TNA was suppressing it?

Well the rise of streaming services and general stagnation among original TV programming is what enabled WWE to snag a lucrative TV contract. The former also helped allow WWE Network to become more profitable.

So no probably not. In fact if TNA hadn't dropped the ball by pissing off Spike they could probably be turning a profit right now too-- I'm sure they could've maintained leverage worthy ratings had they not blundered so many times. It's not like WWE's current ratings are very far above peak TNA's at all.

I meant in the sense of the health and exposure of the rest of wrestling outside of WWE

Can we look back now and blame TNA somewhat for a decade of rendering other alternatives to WWE not viable or profitable
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8 p.m. 2.72 million viewers
9 p.m. 2.56 million viewers
10 p.m. 2.37 million viewers

I kind of got what I wanted. Proof that people want change enough to give Vince a shot, but then still tuning out once it doesnt happen
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I was going to say "Well wasn't the last match an hour long women's gauntlet match with a bunch of female geeks and Natalya?" And then I noticed the drop from hour 1-2 and 2-3 was the same.

Ouch. Way to go WWE. How does this compare to the previous two weeks then?
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Also, Jimmy Jacobs is going to be on Wrestling Observer Live tomorrow to explain why being a WWE writer is so hard.

This may be really good or really bad.
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Jakyl25 posted...

8 p.m. 2.72 million viewers
9 p.m. 2.56 million viewers
10 p.m. 2.37 million viewers

I kind of got what I wanted. Proof that people want change enough to give Vince a shot, but then still tuning out once it doesnt happen

It shows bailey isn't a draw

*shrug*
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Last week:
8 p.m. 2.35 million viewers
9 p.m. 2.19 million viewers
10 p.m. 2.05 million viewers

2 weeks ago
8 p.m. 2.26 million viewers
9 p.m. 2.40 million viewers
10 p.m. 2.20 million viewers
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

Also, Jimmy Jacobs is going to be on Wrestling Observer Live tomorrow to explain why being a WWE writer is so hard.

This may be really good or really bad.

I heard Bryan and Lance Storm discussing something Jimmy said on Storms old podcast

Paraphrasing He talked about how if you dont have writers, all the promos will just be variations on Im gonna kick your ass! But my thought was that thats basically what people want to see!
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Jakyl25 posted...

I meant in the sense of the health and exposure of the rest of wrestling outside of WWE

Can we look back now and blame TNA somewhat for a decade of rendering other alternatives to WWE not viable or profitable

Oh. I mean, uh, somewhat, probably, since it was draining the talent pool and demand for alternative product by offering a garbage product that made WWE look better by comparison.

But I think sheer attrition would be the main thing, as well as WWE's steady decline in show quality and ratings since probably like 2013. Like I think if TNA was still alive and well now you might still have a bit of an uptick of exposure to NJPW and RoH and whatnot just because it wasn't all TNA propping WWE up, either-- the show was legit better back then too.
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I'm not sure TNA not existing would have particularly helped ROH out. Like they would have had better talent available like Joe and Styles, but would they have been able to make any more of a push into TV than they ended up doing pre-Sinclair sale? It's not like lack of talent was ever their problem.
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WarThaNemesis2 posted...

I'm not sure TNA not existing would have particularly helped ROH out. Like they would have had better talent available like Joe and Styles, but would they have been able to make any more of a push into TV than they ended up doing pre-Sinclair sale? It's not like lack of talent was ever their problem.

It doesnt have to be ROH

There just would have been an opening to be exploited (like it is now) instead of squandered
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I mean TNA's success was because they found a random billionaire to piss away money (just like the rumored AEW has).

If there was another billionaire willing to piss away money on wrestling during TNA's peak period, I don't think TNA would've kept them out.
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lol at this intro
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nm Becky made it awesome.
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Becky makes everything awesome.

Now Vince gets to work in the same segment as the most popular person in the company. The Man, Becky Lynch.
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Wait, they took Paige out of the GM role?

Why?
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They did? That sucks if it's true. Paige is awesome
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RaidenGarai posted...

They did? That sucks if it's true. Paige is awesome

Part of me is legit hoping there's some procedure she can get to help her heal up and wrestle again.
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