Board 8 > Gauntlet Crew Ranks Science Fiction Films I

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wooooooooooow.

ok time to stop taking this topic seriously.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

wooooooooooow.

ok time to stop taking this topic seriously.

Did you read any of the write-ups?
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Given how I literally watched the entire film on a whim earlier this year - just caught it on TV - can't say I agree with the more negative views on the film. I do understand them but eh.

Earlier this year I saw the film for the second time. It wasn't quite as great as I remembered it but it's still probably one of my favorite movies. But I probably wouldn't put it on the same level as an Alien/s or Terminator 2.

Looking at the notes though, yeah some of you seem to have only watched this movie for this ranking. I'm someone who'd actually be interested in the premise of the film normally, so I understood what it was trying to do and ended up appreciating it a crap ton.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Did you read any of the write-ups?

i'm not interested in the writeups of a bunch of people who (collectively, not individually) think fucking men in black should be above 2001.
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I'm also kind of upset that 2001 is only one spot above Independence Day given how I remember both films (though I saw the latter for the first time last year and the former twice, including this year), but then again both films are vastly different in terms of appeal so whatevs.

Though to me it's still like saying Kingdom of the Crystal Skull and Ocean's Eight are on the same level of quality as Die Hard and Toy Story. Or saying that Alien: Covenant is a better film than The Godfather.

Honestly, if there's one movie I dislike that I want to like it's probably Independence Day. But to be honest, I just don't really find anything particularly special about it. The only aspects of the film that really stand out to me are the special effects (which, while very good, wear out their welcome a good while before the film's end) and the scale of the production, both of which have been emulated by numerous blockbusters since. I don't mean to seem like I'm a snob who's against "populist" cinema - the week before I first saw ID4 I saw Raiders of the Lost Ark and oh boy do I love that movie. Though maybe that's why I was so let down by ID4: because I was coming off of Raiders.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

Did you read any of the write-ups?

i'm not interested in the writeups of a bunch of people who (collectively, not individually) think fucking men in black should be above 2001.

In what world do you think it's remotely constructive to enter a topic where people are sharing their opinions in an open way to be social and perhaps even to have their minds changed in thoughtful discussion and simply put the opinions on blast?

Even if I agreed that 2001 should be higher on the list, the way you handle yourself is puerile, childish behavior representative of someone who clearly can't think critically and has no interest in possibly developing an understanding of an alternative point of view. You are representative of everything that is wrong with this board.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

In what world do you think it's remotely constructive to enter a topic where people are sharing their opinions in an open way to be social and perhaps even to have their minds changed in thoughtful discussion and simply put the opinions on blast?

Even if I agreed that 2001 should be higher on the list, the way you handle yourself is puerile, childish behavior representative of someone who clearly can't think critically and has no interest in possibly developing an understanding of an alternative point of view. You are representative of everything that is wrong with this board.

wow, you can sure extrapolate a lot of knowledge about me from a few short posts.

also, this is an interesting post coming from someone who called me a "middle-aged nobody."
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scarletspeed7 posted...

2001 has one of the best antagonists in film history with HAL 9000, who pushes fear of technology to its natural conclusions. His voice will stick with you forever.~Snake

See it's comments like this that completely validate my point. I didn't see what others saw in HAL. The voice is iconic, but already knowing what role he'd serve in the plot I thought his betrayal would be a lot more impacting and it wasn't. I guess it did cause me to distrust other AIs that will show up later on this list (one of which is completely innocent), so that's not to say HAL didn't have an impact on me whatsoever. I just... feel he's an overrated character.
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I kind of get what you mean but I agree with HAL being a great villain.

Also 2001 wasn't very well-received on release and became a huge financial success due in part to its popularity among hippies so don't feel bad about disliking it lol. I'm a huge fan and I largely understand the issues most have (honestly, you could probably cut at least 30 minutes from the film and the plot wouldn't be any different).
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

In what world do you think it's remotely constructive to enter a topic where people are sharing their opinions in an open way to be social and perhaps even to have their minds changed in thoughtful discussion and simply put the opinions on blast?

Even if I agreed that 2001 should be higher on the list, the way you handle yourself is puerile, childish behavior representative of someone who clearly can't think critically and has no interest in possibly developing an understanding of an alternative point of view. You are representative of everything that is wrong with this board.

wow, you can sure extrapolate a lot of knowledge about me from a few short posts.

also, this is an interesting post coming from someone who called me a "middle-aged nobody."

I'm willing to eat defeat on that one. It's wrong of me to call you that, and I apologize for it. I don't honestly remember the circumstances that surrounded it, but it sounds like something I might have done in the heat of anger, and it's unacceptable.

However, I think I haven't extrapolated too much. I follow the political topics, and I think you come at everything that could involve being critical the same way. And I'm also way too sensitive of a person, but I refuse to let someone just completely be dismissive of something that took a huge amount of work to accomplish. These people, this group of that ranked these films, went through the time and effort to watch all 40 of these movies in the last few months, not for some agenda to tank a movie that is beloved, but to experience a wide array of films in a genre and share their thoughts and experiences with each other in order to bond and learn and grow together. Some of them sacrificed all of their dwindling free time to participate because that's what you do when you have friends, and you want to share with them. And your response is the complete antithesis of that. It's derisive, flippant, completely ignorant of the human element of this list, and it demonstrates to me (and it's all my point of view, and the rest of Gauntlet may not even give a fuck) that your interest is consistently in demonstrating your own superiority to others by simply holding points of view.
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I think HAL not having a more "exciting" defeat is deliberate. HAL is nothing more than cold machinery, a drab symbol of technologies' march, and is whatever we reflect on to it. It's defeat also illustrates that in the end, HAL and similar AIs are not the next step in human evolution and not part of our ultimate fates, we as a species will always triumph over computers.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

I'm willing to eat defeat on that one. It's wrong of me to call you that, and I apologize for it. I don't honestly remember the circumstances that surrounded it, but it sounds like something I might have done in the heat of anger, and it's unacceptable.

i genuinely appreciate that. the REAL thing that's "wrong with this board" is that nobody ever wants to admit defeat on anything or apologize for anything, so it's quite nice to see an example of the opposite of that for once.

as for the rest of your post, i'm not going to respond to your character assassination of me. i'm not denying that you guys put a lot of time and effort into this project. but yeah, clearly this topic isn't for me, so i'll leave you to it.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

I'm willing to eat defeat on that one. It's wrong of me to call you that, and I apologize for it. I don't honestly remember the circumstances that surrounded it, but it sounds like something I might have done in the heat of anger, and it's unacceptable.

i genuinely appreciate that. the REAL thing that's "wrong with this board" is that nobody ever wants to admit defeat on anything or apologize for anything, so it's quite nice to see an example of the opposite of that for once.

as for the rest of your post, i'm not going to respond to your character assassination of me. i'm not denying that you guys put a lot of time and effort into this project. but yeah, clearly this topic isn't for me, so i'll leave you to it.

I probably wouldn't get defensive except it was just "I can't take this seriously because of one opinion, and I'm not interested to hear upon what these opinions are founded, and furthermore I can't separate the individuals from the group". At least, taht's how it read to me.
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i'll concede that i shouldn't have made those flippant posts without reading the writeups. but i have to admit that reading some of the writeups was making me even more pissed (especially inviso saying the ending of the movie is nothing but "30 minutes of nonsense" and karo doing us the honor of sharing his insightful "The rest of the movie is a two-and-a-half hour long slog filled with unexplained alien monoliths, bizarre drug trips, and Stanley Kubrick masturbating to classical music while taking pictures of his shitty plastic miniatures" comment - i guess i won't just single out inviso as that's not fair). you're wrong about me not being able to think critically or being against opinions differing from my own by default. i'm open to a lengthy, well thought out critique of one of my favorite movies ever. but a lot of the critiques in the writeups are either misinterpreting or just casually and superficially dismissing what the movie is trying to do. or both. it's taken away enough from my enjoyment of this topic that i don't feel like reading the writeups for the rest of the movies on the list.
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Okay, I can live with that. Thanks for trying at least.

I don't think you can't think critically, far from it. I think criticisms and opinions are worn around by certain users as badges of honor in some of the topics, and I do feel that at times you're one of them, but I'm sure I'm one of them too and I don't realize it.
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Snake5555555555 posted...

I think HAL not having a more "exciting" defeat is deliberate. HAL is nothing more than cold machinery, a drab symbol of technologies' march, and is whatever we reflect on to it. It's defeat also illustrates that in the end, HAL and similar AIs are not the next step in human evolution and not part of our ultimate fates, we as a species will always triumph over computers.

It's a point of view that I actually don't jibe with that well; I stand on the AI functionally eventually becoming sentient side of things, and I don't think Clarke and Kubrick - at least at the time - believed that would ever be possible.
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Snake5555555555 posted...

I think HAL not having a more "exciting" defeat is deliberate. HAL is nothing more than cold machinery, a drab symbol of technologies' march, and is whatever we reflect on to it. It's defeat also illustrates that in the end, HAL and similar AIs are not the next step in human evolution and not part of our ultimate fates, we as a species will always triumph over computers.

More or less agree with this. HAL isn't some dramatic villain that the crux of the story revolves around defeating. It's basically framed as another obstacle for humanity, just like the big cats in the opening scenes and the Monoliths.

Though putting it that way makes it even easier for me to understand why someone wouldn't like 2001. Honestly when I watched the film earlier this year I wasn't really hooked until that leopard just leapt from off-screen and killed a primate: at that point I realized where the film was going and was pretty much hooked permanently.
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Karo is just the kind of person that you read his write-ups with a grain of salt. We loved to call him a senile old man with just how every write-up he makes is oozing with negativity. Leading to us implying he just hates everything.

Just to tell Lasastryke.
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I'm pretty sure Karo likes some of the movies way more than he lets on from write-ups.
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Oh, I'm sure, that's why I said "implying" and some of my other specific wordings. Similarly to me, it's probably easier for him to point out what he dislikes in something while ranking things than what he likes about them. Plus he probably finds these insult write-ups fun to type.
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I felt like my write-ups were much worse than normal because I don't have particularly negative write-ups this time around for anything.
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I'm with Lasa here, that's a pretty bitter disappointment. One I kind of expected to suffer, because I know a lot of people IRL who hate 2001 too, but... oof, that does hurt. Way too early.

27th is still high in a list like this >_>
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its third highest of the old movies, which is only one spot lower than i expected
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#26 - Metropolis (1926)
KBM - 7
JONA - 10
Genny - 14
Johnbobb - 16
Snake - 18
Scarlet - 19
Inviso - 26
Charon - 34
Stifled - 35
Karo - 38
WickIe - 40 (Wickle also watched it in German. Wickle doesn't speak German.)
Total: 257

"The grandfather of everything else on this list, I am very grateful to this list for finally getting me to sit down and watch Metropolis (the real Metropolis, not that weird anime Metropolis we watched a few years ago that was just okay). The sets are still spectacular, surpassing a lot of the stuff on this list, and a lot of the acting feels, if not exactly naturalistic, than more so than a lot of the acting from the silent era. Brigitte Helm is particularly great in her dual role as Maria and the android bearing her likeness, and it's a shame she (and quite a few others who worked on this movie) was basically run out of film because the Nazis took over the German film industry. This film's philosophy, though, is quite un-Nazi-ish it's more of an odd combination of Christian mythology, Marxist ideals, and a little Nietschze because Germany but it works great and lends a lot of depth to the relatively straightforward Frankenstein-esque plot. Aside from the last ten minutes, which try to wrap things into a nice little bow with a moral that's a bit too simple and neat to be effective, I was as enthralled as I've ever been by a film from the silent era. The 2010 restoration was also well worth the extended runtime." ~KBM

"The film being in black-and-white and a silent movie actually helps the movie a lot with its atmosphere of a dystopian future and its class divide. The special effects still look great, especially when there is CHAOS in Metropolis. Freders development is pretty believable despite how fast it takes to change his ways. The version I watched felt a bit too long but its absolutely worth watching since it is pure kino." ~JONA

"Metropolis was... interesting to say the least. I'm pretty sure that "erotic" dance will haunt my nightmares forever. Thanks scarlet! For an older film- and a silent one at that- I was shocked that I actually enjoyed it, and not just for the social impact it has on the film industry. No I legitimately enjoyed it despite thinking more than once that the male lead looked entirely too effeminate. I will likely never watch it again, but I'm glad I did once." ~Genny

"In a movie about a mad scientist turning a robot into an identical copy of a woman, the least believable scene is our spoiled, rich hero holding off an entire army of angry blue collar workers by blindly flailing his arms at them. I did enjoy this movie quite a bit, but I almost wish I had watched one of the shorter edits, because this isn't a story that really took 150 minutes to tell. But it IS a damn good story with some brilliant cinematography. Ultimately what made me like the movie as much as I did was Robo-Maria, who was absolutely chilling and by far the best part of the movie. It's a little silly at times and comes on a little strong, but it's also easy to see why it's had such an impact." ~Johnbobb

"A groundbreaking, landmark achievement in film. Despite being made all the way back in 1927, Metropolis still feels fresh and modern, from its great architectural vistas and instantly iconic mechanical Maria. Also timeless is its commentary on class warfare, which makes even this silent picture feel loud and boisterous in its message, with limited use of intertitles for the time. Its a true visual masterpiece that captures what makes film so special in the first place. " ~Snake
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"What It Is: The story of socialism overthrowing a fascistic classist system in a retrofuturistic society replete with robot girls.

Why It Matters: It's the first. And that alone should be enough. It's science fiction film numero uno. EVERYTHING that comes after Metropolis owes this movie at least some acknowledgement.

What I Think: Now that we're in the top half of this list, we're just chock full of absolutely fantastic movies that are each separated by mere hairs from one another. If there's any downfall with Metropolis, it's me. The generation gap and the style of film-viewing with which you need to view this belongs to an audience that is no longer contemporary. There may be cultural differences between the Germany of then and the United States of now that also affect by somewhat adulterated appreciation of this movie, but I just marvel at so much of what the movie attempts to convey. It's a true example of what science fiction represents, at least too me: taking the issues of today and addressing them in the context of tomorrow. While there are antiquated notions in the movie, and the same time, seeing the historical imagination and ingenuity of this world from nearly 100 years ago facing certain issues we still wrestle with today... it's all just fascinating to me. It's like reading Frankenstein still today... which is an apt comparison because this movie even seems to borrow a bit from Frankenstein." ~scarlet

"I want to preface this write-up by stating that however low this movie winds up on this list is not necessarily because of any fault of its own, but rather its just such a daunting movie to watch for a variety of reasons, and rewatchability DOES ultimately hurt certain movies on these lists. That being said, Im pleasantly surprised at how high-quality Metropolis was. The two-and-a-half hour runtime is unforgiving, to say the least, and thats expounded by the fact that its a silent movie. Yet, it maintained my flimsy attention perfectly almost the whole time through. Admittedly, the plot is a bit simplistic and kinda rushes some elements, but Im assuming thats just a sign of the times it was created in, so Im willing to give some benefit of the doubt.

I just feel like gushing about Metropolis just because it FAR exceeded my expectations. The lead actress was amazing, essentially playing a double role where she has to be both the overly-sensitive Maria, who winds up as a damsel-in-distress on multiple occasionsbut also as the robotic Hel, which allows her to REALLY ham it up with quirks and mannerisms that accentuate her dastardly plans. Throw in a ton of physical exertion to really sell the struggle faced by the characters, and this is a DAMN solid film for something 90 years old." ~Inviso

"This is probably the oldest movie I've seen, ever. It's a little difficult ranking a silent picture up against the rest of this list, since this movie is over 20 years older than any other film on this list. There are definitely some translation problems when it's nearly 100 years later now; the main character is very hard to take seriously with a face full of makeup on like that. Then there's the highly, highly awkward "sexual" dancing scene with Maria and the group of horny men. It's jarring and breaks your suspension of disbelief due to how hokey it is. However, I'll give this movie some credit. For its age, some of the effects and props were actually quite good; actually surpassing some of the older films of this list which it predates by a great deal." ~charon
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"I have a lot of respect for this movie. For its time, there was a lot going on. Utopian society, unique setting, robots, crazy futuristic looking machines, you name it! I was impressed. The story really got me interested and kept me hooked to the end. However, and Id really hate to be that guy, but the picture quality just does not hold up that well. While I enjoyed it more than a few of the movies I ranked above it, Metropolis just really suffers from being a silent film. The actors were as expressive as possible, which I have a ton of respect for, but I also have to give the nod to films that feel more complete. If this ever gets a remake, which I very much hope it does, then I will gladly watch it. If it already has, please tell me I am stupid and point me in the remakes direction.

Traviss Opinion: Travis really liked the Pampers commercial that played before the movie. He loved the gears and the clock. Hearing him try to say Metropolis was adorable. He ended up falling asleep on me and missing around half of it, however." ~Stifled

"In a dystopian future city, a downtrodden working class lives in a subterranean complex where they run the silly machines that power the city.
The story is that this rich kid gets a soft heart regarding the hardworking people of the city, and leads us to a plot that goes everywhere from the prince and the pauper to dr frankenstein to the book of revelation. A mad scientist builds a robot duplicate of a rebel nun for the president of Metropolis, which he uses as a tool to incite rebellion to wreck his own city. This is explained as being needed as an excuse to crack down on rebel elements in the underground, except he doesnt actually do anything. In fact he goes out of his way to tell his men to stand down and do nothing while everything gets broken.
Most of the characters look very similar to each other, and unfortunately as this is a silent movie visuals are the only real means of discernment between individuals. Throw in plot points about robot clones and characters trading clothes and things get even more of a mess.
The movie ends with everyone suddenly forgetting they want to murder each other and with the moral 'it takes a heart to join the hands and the head', which sounds like tripe found on a motivational poster or somebody failing anatomy 101.
Much is often said about this film being 'good for its time' (see also: Toy Story's animation), but in reality there is no such thing. It's like saying a one-armed guy from the Special Olympics is a better boxer than Mike Tyson because he tries his golly gee darnedest!
To paraphrase the wisdom of Yoda, a movie is good, or it is not. This film is the latter." ~Karo

"Yay, bearded dude and slim guy shook hands and the girl lived. Its a happy ending! Also crazy dude died like Frollo, also happy ending! Yeah Im not sure how or if anyone got a version where the intertitles were subtitled. I tried a few different things and never could, had to read the entire plot from Wikipedia just to understand what the fuck happened. Wasnt a joyous occasion, Im grumpy as hell that I had to basically watch acting and not really read the story, then turn around and read the plot, often ahead of time. Also, it never crossed my mind that the movie was also in freaking English." ~Wickle
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Oh THATS the movie you were talking about, Wickle? I thought you meant District 9.
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The Outlander Game Part XV: Last In Translation

Wickle - 177
Stifled - 158
JONA - 151
KBM - 136
Inviso - 131
Genny - 114
Snake - 110
Charon - 103
Johnbobb - 98
Karo - 95
Scarlet - 82

Someone could have used one of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy's patented Babel fish.

That's the last ranking for both today and tomorrow. My dad fell off of a ladder earlier this week. He's almost completely fine, but he broke two bones in his ankle, and so I offered to go and help him put up Christmas decorations at my parents' house since they are going out of town for the next two weeks starting Monday. It's just one of those family things you have to fulfill.

I'll give you all the hint now so you can continue discussion (and I'll participate in that too, I'll just be on my phone all day tomorrow).

Hint: Your first #1 ranking drops.
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Espeon posted...

Oh THATS the movie you were talking about, Wickle? I thought you meant District 9.

That mostly has English lol
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Karo posted...

Much is often said about this film being 'good for its time' (see also: Toy Story's animation), but in reality there is no such thing. It's like saying a one-armed guy from the Special Olympics is a better boxer than Mike Tyson because he tries his golly gee darnedest!

I have never disagreed with something so vehemently on a Gauntlet list ever.
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Holy shit it actually died. I thought for sure 2001 would make top ten. High fucking five Charon and Inviso!
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Glad to see some of you trash 2001 A Space Oddessey for the waste of 2 and a half hours it was. One of the most overrated films of all time. Give me Clockwork Orange, The Shining and Full Metal Jacket any day of the week.

Metropolis is one of the few silent films I have seen that I truly enjoyed (I watched the 2010 remastered version, I believe), so I'm at least happy to see it place higher than 2001.

Also, because they were brought up, Fantasia is awesome and I liked Fantasia 2000 for the most part. Normally I don't post in these things, but I couldn't resist giving my brief 2 cents on those four flicks.
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Just because something is important in a historical context doesn't mean it should get a free pass when judging its quality.

Its like when people say Snow White is one of Disney's best just because it was the first big animated movie, when it isn't even close to the top 10.
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PrinceKaro posted...

Just because something is important in a historical context doesn't mean it should get a free pass when judging its quality.

Its like when people say Snow White is one of Disney's best just because it was the first big animated movie, when it isn't even close to the top 10.

It's not a free pass to judge something in its historical context. And if you really look at the themes and the message it tries to send, that really enhances the story - especially given the backdrop of a Germany in that interregnum period, torn apart, angry, lost in direction.
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paulg235 posted...

Glad to see some of you trash 2001 A Space Oddessey for the waste of 2 and a half hours it was. One of the most overrated films of all time. Give me Clockwork Orange, The Shining and Full Metal Jacket any day of the week.

Metropolis is one of the few silent films I have seen that I truly enjoyed (I watched the 2010 remastered version, I believe), so I'm at least happy to see it place higher than 2001.

Also, because they were brought up, Fantasia is awesome and I liked Fantasia 2000 for the most part. Normally I don't post in these things, but I couldn't resist giving my brief 2 cents on those four flicks.

It's cool to see that other people have watched Metropolis!
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Bad time to be a Gauntlet user with all caps.
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Oh geez Wickle, really?

scarletspeed7 posted...

Hint: Your first #1 ranking drops.

It's mine, and I hate all of you in advance.
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i dont think its yours genny
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In retrospect it's probably not. I'm sure somebody could've put RoboCop or Total Recall as their #1 and at least two of you hate body horror. I'm just preparing that statement in advance as a disclaimer. You can put an imaginary "if" in front of my previous post if it helps.
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Wow, I expected to be on the bottom half of the 2001. I always thought it was pretty boring. It grew on me somewhat over time, but also is still pretty boring

next #1 might be mine. I don't think it is but I CAN see people not liking it nearly as much as I do
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Also, it never crossed my mind that the movie was also in freaking English." ~Wickle

This part of my write-up was added by Scarlet by my permission. Although lol the Inviso thinking it was District 9, ironically I also didn't get that one subtitled, and figured I wasn't supposed to understand the aliens ever. That mattered a lot less than Metropolis being entirely in German to me though.
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As phenomenal as 2001 is to me, I totally get why it's such a 'love it or hate it' film, and those negative opinions are totally valid, even if I don't agree with them at all.

Also, I will not stand for this Men in Black hate! Seriously, how often is it that a movie's only notable flaw is that it's about 15 minutes too short?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0D4fHieW8o" data-time="

The stuff of nightmares.
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MetalmindStats posted...

As phenomenal as 2001 is to me, I totally get why it's such a 'love it or hate it' film, and those negative opinions are totally valid, even if I don't agree with them at all.

Also, I will not stand for this Men in Black hate! Seriously, how often is it that a movie's only notable flaw is that it's about 15 minutes too short?

ok, i was going to drop it but i'm going to make one more post about the whole 2001 thing because i obviously didn't make myself clear.

i'm not saying everyone has to love 2001. i get that not everyone is into artsy movies. but some of those writeups just make it seem like the movie is over the writers' heads. (god, i wish their was a less pretentious way to say this but i don't think there is, so whatever.) if all you got out of the movie is "bizarre drug trips" or "a 30 minute ending that's nonsense" or "pictures of shitty miniatures" or "plodding shots built arounds symphonic scores" you just didn't get it. which in itself is totally fine! i didn't get it when i first saw it either. i certainly don't expect everyone to do a deep dive into the movie. my issue is that almost none of the film's detractors acknowledge that they didn't get it (^5 charon - he actually did say he didn't get it). this just makes the writeups come across as incredibly arrogant and dismissive to me. the fact that people are essentially going "lol this is all stupid nonsensical bullshit by kubrick" really rubs me the wrong way.

it's like if someone would look at a picasso and say "LOL WTF IS THIS SHIT HE COULDN'T EVEN DRAW PROPERLY." (the sad reality is that some people DO say shit like that about picasso's work >_>; )

...also, i like men in black! it just has no business being above 2001 on any ranking of science fiction movies that is to be taken seriously. one is an absolute masterpiece and one of the most monumental achievements in movie history, the other is a fun popcorn flick.
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One provides joy and the other is pretentious "art" that tries too hard. A lot of people don't enjoy it, and you claim that's fine. If you really think that, you'd not be shitting on our last as you just did.

A film's job is to please the audience, is it not?
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v_charon posted...

One provides joy and the other is pretentious "art" that tries too hard. A lot of people don't enjoy it, and you claim that's fine. If you really think that, you'd not be shitting on our list as you just did.

read my post again as you 100% didn't get what i said.

A film's job is to please the audience, is it not?

1) this is an incredibly superficial way to look at the medium of film.
2) 2001 evidently pleases a lot of people, given that tons of people adore it.
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Johnbobb posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

What It Is: People.

I laughed

Same. Very nice.
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No I did read it. People don't need to say they didn't get it. Art is subjective and you can't sit back and claim a movie that's usually divisive anyway is an objectively good one just because you think it is.

Also, you claim I'm using a superficial lens to view film but then go ahead and use that supposedly superficial method to defend the movie too? Yeah, plenty of people like it. I can't really see why obviously, because I find it over-directed and the script to be too ambiguous at times. I respect people enjoy it though, which is why I say that "I didn't get it". I'm ignorant to the reasons why they did, not because I'm too simple-minded to grasp the concepts presented. I do have a college education, which included a few courses in film studies. I don't think anyone who actually respects any artform truly is so closed-minded that they believe everyone has to enjoy the same things or expects if they don't to profess ignorance so they're excused only because they're plebians.
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v_charon posted...

I respect people enjoy it though, which is why I say that "I didn't get it". I'm ignorant to the reasons why they did, not because I'm too simple-minded to grasp the concepts presented. I do have a college education, which included a few courses in film studies. I don't think anyone who actually respects any artform truly is so closed-minded that they believe everyone has to enjoy the same things or expects if they don't to profess ignorance so they're excused only because they're plebians.

sorry, if you truly did get the film you wouldn't call it "pretentious 'art' that tries way too hard." nor would you say it's "over-directed."
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