Board 8 > Gauntlet Crew Ranks Science Fiction Films I

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WickIebee 11/11/18 4:27:11 PM #151:	We all know the only film from this list that can be brought up in the same sentence as the Emoji Movie is Moon. --- I'll just go back to gifs. Not like the winner was gonna click my topic. https://imgur.com/SXyi7uX <cite>WickIebee posted [p:912228029] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>We all know the only film from this list that can be brought up in the same sentence as the Emoji Movie is Moon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WickIebee 11/11/18 4:30:00 PM #152:	Inviso posted... Look at Alien. I'm sure some people ranked it low, but it's an overwhelmingly popular film among society at large. It's a story about a bunch of space roughnecks. Yet even then, it still threw in a scene at the VERY END of Ripley stripping down to a skimpy pair of panties, just to throw in a little of that eye candy for the nerds. Also, referencing Alien, it's very minor but they have nude photographs in the sleeping quarters. It's very minor but just another thing to point it out. --- I'll just go back to gifs. Not like the winner was gonna click my topic. https://imgur.com/SXyi7uX <cite>WickIebee posted [p:912228188] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>Look at Alien. I'm sure some people ranked it low, but it's an overwhelmingly popular film among society at large. It's a story about a bunch of space roughnecks. Yet even then, it still threw in a scene at the VERY END of Ripley stripping down to a skimpy pair of panties, just to throw in a little of that eye candy for the nerds.</quote> Also, referencing Alien, it's very minor but they have nude photographs in the sleeping quarters. It's very minor but just another thing to point it out.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/11/18 4:31:12 PM #153:	scarletspeed7 posted... Do I judge a caveman for being a caveman, or do I appreciate that I'm at a place where I no longer have to be one and see the past for what it is: a past, contributing in its part to a better future? If you were asked to rank a list of the world's greatest people, does any caveman get put in front of Lincoln, King or Einstein? Appreciating something as a stepping stone is a lot different than putting them ahead of it. And not every single person from our history is a stepping stone towards a modern society anyway; there are people who are, and then there are people who aren't. If you want list spoilers of a sort maybe, there is one older movie that hasn't shown up yet that IS a representation of a stepping stone. This one here isn't. It's par for the course. scarletspeed7 posted... To me, there are a couple of things that make a difference between Forbidden Planet and Fantastic Journey. Fantastic Journey makes it almost incumbent on the plot to show a woman as a weak commodity for which stronger men will vie. There's a huge difference between a movie rooted in that sort of animalistic baseness and the casual moments of sexism that are very clearly a product of their time in Fantastic Journey. Put it this way - one is crucial to the story and one isn't. One is representative of a rooted, seeded incorrectness, and the other is influenced by that incorrectness but not defined by it. Another way: if I cut a couple lines out of Fantastic Journey, you wouldn't know the difference. And, to me, that's how historical context works. I can bump on something - and maybe it still affects my enjoyment of that thing - but still appreciate the rest of it. No, I agree with that. I mean Fantastic Journey is higher for me than Forbidden Planet. I outright hate the latter, the other is in a meh category. I said only my bottom 4 are films that I just don't really like, the others aren't that bad and while I can't say I'd watch them all again, I wouldn't bemoan the thought of it either. VengefulKaelee posted... Meanwhile, show me anybody who can say The Emoji Movie has anything interesting to say, or even any thought at all put into it outside shallow, cynical marketing. That person would be a liar. Silly comparison. Like it or not, the plot of the movie does suggest you need to be yourself no matter what society wants you to be. Is it crammed full of modern day marketing for things that won't be relevant to people in the future? Yes, it is. You know, just like this movie. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912228264] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>Do I judge a caveman for being a caveman, or do I appreciate that I'm at a place where I no longer have to be one and see the past for what it is: a past, contributing in its part to a better future?</quote> If you were asked to rank a list of the world's greatest people, does any caveman get put in front of Lincoln, King or Einstein? Appreciating something as a stepping stone is a lot different than putting them ahead of it. And not every single person from our history is a stepping stone towards a modern society anyway; there are people who are, and then there are people who aren't. If you want list spoilers of a sort maybe, there is one older movie that hasn't shown up yet that IS a representation of a stepping stone. This one here isn't. It's par for the course. <cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>To me, there are a couple of things that make a difference between Forbidden Planet and Fantastic Journey. Fantastic Journey makes it almost incumbent on the plot to show a woman as a weak commodity for which stronger men will vie. There's a huge difference between a movie rooted in that sort of animalistic baseness and the casual moments of sexism that are very clearly a product of their time in Fantastic Journey. Put it this way - one is crucial to the story and one isn't. One is representative of a rooted, seeded incorrectness, and the other is influenced by that incorrectness but not defined by it. Another way: if I cut a couple lines out of Fantastic Journey, you wouldn't know the difference. And, to me, that's how historical context works. I can bump on something - and maybe it still affects my enjoyment of that thing - but still appreciate the rest of it.</quote> No, I agree with that. I mean Fantastic Journey is higher for me than Forbidden Planet. I outright hate the latter, the other is in a meh category. I said only my bottom 4 are films that I just don't really like, the others aren't that bad and while I can't say I'd watch them all again, I wouldn't bemoan the thought of it either. <cite>VengefulKaelee posted...</cite> <quote>Meanwhile, show me anybody who can say The Emoji Movie has anything interesting to say, or even any thought at all put into it outside shallow, cynical marketing. That person would be a liar. Silly comparison.</quote> Like it or not, the plot of the movie does suggest you need to be yourself no matter what society wants you to be. Is it crammed full of modern day marketing for things that won't be relevant to people in the future? Yes, it is. You know, just like this movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/11/18 4:31:27 PM #154:	I think that's true of most films in earlier decades whether you want to talk about dramas or comedies or what-have-you. Casablanca has it, and its a beloved classic. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912228288] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>I think that's true of most films in earlier decades whether you want to talk about dramas or comedies or what-have-you. Casablanca has it, and its a beloved classic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/11/18 4:33:18 PM #155:	Inviso posted... Look at Alien. I'm sure some people ranked it low, but it's an overwhelmingly popular film among society at large. It's a story about a bunch of space roughnecks. Yet even then, it still threw in a scene at the VERY END of Ripley stripping down to a skimpy pair of panties, just to throw in a little of that eye candy for the nerds. You've got to be kidding me. No one thinks Weaver is a babe... --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912228396] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>Look at Alien. I'm sure some people ranked it low, but it's an overwhelmingly popular film among society at large. It's a story about a bunch of space roughnecks. Yet even then, it still threw in a scene at the VERY END of Ripley stripping down to a skimpy pair of panties, just to throw in a little of that eye candy for the nerds.</quote> You've got to be kidding me. No one thinks Weaver is a babe...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 11/11/18 4:35:27 PM #156:	v_charon posted... Inviso posted... Look at Alien. I'm sure some people ranked it low, but it's an overwhelmingly popular film among society at large. It's a story about a bunch of space roughnecks. Yet even then, it still threw in a scene at the VERY END of Ripley stripping down to a skimpy pair of panties, just to throw in a little of that eye candy for the nerds. You've got to be kidding me. No one thinks Weaver is a babe... Back in the late 70s she was. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:912228519] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>v_charon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Inviso posted...</cite> <quote>Look at Alien. I'm sure some people ranked it low, but it's an overwhelmingly popular film among society at large. It's a story about a bunch of space roughnecks. Yet even then, it still threw in a scene at the VERY END of Ripley stripping down to a skimpy pair of panties, just to throw in a little of that eye candy for the nerds.</quote> You've got to be kidding me. No one thinks Weaver is a babe...</quote> Back in the late 70s she was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/11/18 4:44:49 PM #157:	v_charon posted... If you were asked to rank a list of the world's greatest people, does any caveman get put in front of Lincoln, King or Einstein? Appreciating something as a stepping stone is a lot different than putting them ahead of it. And not every single person from our history is a stepping stone towards a modern society anyway; there are people who are, and then there are people who aren't. If you want list spoilers of a sort maybe, there is one older movie that hasn't shown up yet that IS a representation of a stepping stone. This one here isn't. It's par for the course. Well, there's greatest people, and there's most influential people. What about Martin Luther, who railed against a corrupt church and was the first person to truly make use of Gutenberg's press in the way it was meant to be used: to promote ideas and foster inherent change in the world at large? He also was anti-Semetic, an awful quality to be sure, but one that was found in every corner of Europe for hundreds of years? I consider him a great person, probably one who, had he been born today, would not necessarily share all of the notions he had in the first place. It's unfair to say that a caveman isn't as great as Lincoln. What did Lincoln do except run a country and stick to his principles? Someone out there created a wheel, created the first cuniform texts lost to history, perhaps united tribes into agricultural collectives. Prehistory is that: it's history before an established arbitrary line of civilization. When I look at these movies, even the SPOILERS one you mention, I see them as progenitors, as prehistory, as developing pieces of culture. Maybe I look down on them with condescension as a detached viewer of history. But they are still stepping stones. Look at the influence Fantastic Voyage had or Forbidden Planet had. There is no Star Trek without Forbidden Planet - Roddenberry said as much. Faster than light travel comes from Forbidden Planet. So many fundamental aspects of science fiction nowadays would be different without it. So, like the cavemen around it, I still find some value in what they provided even if I bump on something about it that doesn't jibe with my modern sensibilities. I would rather give grace and forgiveness to someone where I can than to cast judgment on dead people from dead ages with dying notions they might not even hold were they here and now with us in this place. Long story short: "Oh, that's interesting. That's how we get from there to here." That's the value I find in Forbidden Planet. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912229030] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>v_charon posted...</cite> <quote>If you were asked to rank a list of the world's greatest people, does any caveman get put in front of Lincoln, King or Einstein? Appreciating something as a stepping stone is a lot different than putting them ahead of it. And not every single person from our history is a stepping stone towards a modern society anyway; there are people who are, and then there are people who aren't. If you want list spoilers of a sort maybe, there is one older movie that hasn't shown up yet that IS a representation of a stepping stone. This one here isn't. It's par for the course.</quote> Well, there's greatest people, and there's most influential people. What about Martin Luther, who railed against a corrupt church and was the first person to truly make use of Gutenberg's press in the way it was meant to be used: to promote ideas and foster inherent change in the world at large? He also was anti-Semetic, an awful quality to be sure, but one that was found in every corner of Europe for hundreds of years? I consider him a great person, probably one who, had he been born today, would not necessarily share all of the notions he had in the first place. It's unfair to say that a caveman isn't as great as Lincoln. What did Lincoln do except run a country and stick to his principles? Someone out there created a wheel, created the first cuniform texts lost to history, perhaps united tribes into agricultural collectives. Prehistory is that: it's history before an established arbitrary line of civilization. When I look at these movies, even the SPOILERS one you mention, I see them as progenitors, as prehistory, as developing pieces of culture. Maybe I look down on them with condescension as a detached viewer of history. But they are still stepping stones. Look at the influence Fantastic Voyage had or Forbidden Planet had. There is no Star Trek without Forbidden Planet - Roddenberry said as much. Faster than light travel comes from Forbidden Planet. So many fundamental aspects of science fiction nowadays would be different without it. So, like the cavemen around it, I still find some value in what they provided even if I bump on something about it that doesn't jibe with my modern sensibilities. I would rather give grace and forgiveness to someone where I can than to cast judgment on dead people from dead ages with dying notions they might not even hold were they here and now with us in this place. Long story short: "Oh, that's interesting. That's how we get from there to here." That's the value I find in Forbidden Planet.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 11/11/18 5:22:43 PM #158:	Sigourney Weaver was definitely a babe but I don't think that scene was so much just straight eye candy like Barbarella but that's a discussion for later on the list --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:912231183] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>Sigourney Weaver was definitely a babe but I don't think that scene was so much just straight eye candy like Barbarella but that's a discussion for later on the list</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/11/18 5:55:53 PM #160:	#36 - Logan's Run (1976) Genny - 10 Wickle - 18 Karo - 23 Stifled - 24 Charon - 25 KBM - 30 JONA - 31 Inviso - 34 Scarlet - 34 Snake - 36 Johnbobb - 40 Total: 305 "Jason didn't like Logan's Run as much as my mom and I did, and I can imagine why. Some of the interaction between Logan 5 and Jessica 6 are a little uh... rapey in vibe. A product of the 80s I imagine. The movie certainly shows its age, but in my humble opinion the concept is still strong enough that the film holds its own." ~Genny "Kind of weird seeing this movie as PG with some nudity here and there and then a little bit of blood. Like the way the one guy died at the beginning was odd, and you had a psychedelic-ish cat house (maybe?) that they went through. Overall, it was a kind of nice movie. Weird, simple plot with just a nice overlook in a new life as they discover a long dead society they would soon be a part of. Wonder if they will be able to read books and completely integrate with the land. Hopefully theyll be capable of getting food, Im sure JONA was salivating at his potential meal." ~Wickle "In the far future, everyone dresses like Tinker Bell and gets sacrificed to Cirque du Soleil when they get too old. Logan is a sort of a future cop who keeps people from 'running' from their day in the sun, and of course when it comes his own time he has second thoughts and tries to flee. Once they escape, the movie goes completely off the deep end as they find out the path to paradise actually just leads to Mr. Aluminum Foil Robot and whatever believability the movie had left by this point implodes spectacularly. Logan returns to his home and overloads the Master Computer by getting high and speaking like a mentally disabled person and then everything explodes and everyone lives together in harmony and sings kumbaya. It is typical of your dumb low-budget sci-fi movie from the pre Star Wars era, and while the base concept was a great idea the execution of said idea was cataclysmically bad." ~Karo "It was fairly obvious Logan was going to become a runner at some point in the movie. I meanthe title gave it away. But I had a big issue with not actually caring about Logan one bit, at least initially. He and his partner enjoyed killing runners way too much. Likedoing your job is one thing, moral ambiguity and all that, but they were fucking laughing and enjoying themselves while killing runners. It was sadistic and weird. And on top of that, Logan was super creepy trying to get in that girls pants and saying she isnt worth his time unless she bangs him. What the hell, man? Luckily the concept and the movie were good enough to overcome that issue, and by the end I was hoping for Logan to succeed for the sake of ending the genocide. But if Logan also happened to die to make that happen, I wouldnt have cared one bit. Traviss Opinion: Here we go again with the PG movie boobs. Yeesh. He asked me about the different colors that people were wearing during the ceremony at the beginning of the movie, but Travis didnt care much beyond that. I was kind of relieved he missed out on all the frozen boobs." ~Stifled --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912233001] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>#36 - Logan's Run (1976) Genny - 10 Wickle - 18 Karo - 23 Stifled - 24 Charon - 25 KBM - 30 JONA - 31 Inviso - 34 Scarlet - 34 Snake - 36 Johnbobb - 40 Total: 305 "Jason didn't like Logan's Run as much as my mom and I did, and I can imagine why. Some of the interaction between Logan 5 and Jessica 6 are a little uh... rapey in vibe. A product of the 80s I imagine. The movie certainly shows its age, but in my humble opinion the concept is still strong enough that the film holds its own." ~Genny "Kind of weird seeing this movie as PG with some nudity here and there and then a little bit of blood. Like the way the one guy died at the beginning was odd, and you had a psychedelic-ish cat house (maybe?) that they went through. Overall, it was a kind of nice movie. Weird, simple plot with just a nice overlook in a new life as they discover a long dead society they would soon be a part of. Wonder if they will be able to read books and completely integrate with the land. Hopefully theyll be capable of getting food, Im sure JONA was salivating at his potential meal." ~Wickle "In the far future, everyone dresses like Tinker Bell and gets sacrificed to Cirque du Soleil when they get too old. Logan is a sort of a future cop who keeps people from 'running' from their day in the sun, and of course when it comes his own time he has second thoughts and tries to flee. Once they escape, the movie goes completely off the deep end as they find out the path to paradise actually just leads to Mr. Aluminum Foil Robot and whatever believability the movie had left by this point implodes spectacularly. Logan returns to his home and overloads the Master Computer by getting high and speaking like a mentally disabled person and then everything explodes and everyone lives together in harmony and sings kumbaya. It is typical of your dumb low-budget sci-fi movie from the pre Star Wars era, and while the base concept was a great idea the execution of said idea was cataclysmically bad." ~Karo "It was fairly obvious Logan was going to become a runner at some point in the movie. I meanthe title gave it away. But I had a big issue with not actually caring about Logan one bit, at least initially. He and his partner enjoyed killing runners way too much. Likedoing your job is one thing, moral ambiguity and all that, but they were fucking laughing and enjoying themselves while killing runners. It was sadistic and weird. And on top of that, Logan was super creepy trying to get in that girls pants and saying she isnt worth his time unless she bangs him. What the hell, man? Luckily the concept and the movie were good enough to overcome that issue, and by the end I was hoping for Logan to succeed for the sake of ending the genocide. But if Logan also happened to die to make that happen, I wouldnt have cared one bit. Traviss Opinion: Here we go again with the PG movie boobs. Yeesh. He asked me about the different colors that people were wearing during the ceremony at the beginning of the movie, but Travis didnt care much beyond that. I was kind of relieved he missed out on all the frozen boobs." ~Stifled</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/11/18 5:56:12 PM #161:	"Logan falls into a long list of characters that I initially disliked, mostly all for the same reason. Your lead protagonist should never be one that you find it hard to root for. However, unlike many of the others on that list Logan comes around and changes his ways, becoming someone you want to see succeed. The machines here are kinda stupid, and their defeat basically comes at their own hands for being short-sighted. It's interesting that these machines, which control the lives of the entire city so effortless and perpetuate a lie were unable to rectify information they were receiving. A lot of the finer concepts introduced in this world are not really explored, because there just wasn't time for it I guess." ~charon "This feels like it laid the ground work for a whole ton of YA tropes. I definitely enjoyed this movie, but I do think it got by in large part on the charisma of its actors. There's a lot of things about this story that fall apart under scrutiny. The costumes are goofy, and there are movies from the '50s whose effects have aged better than these but beyond that, I found there to be a lot of mixed messaging and confused character motivations. Maybe the book it's based on is better about this, but by the end I still got no real sense of what Logan's true motivations were, and while I liked that sense of ambiguity for awhile, he never really got that moment to choose whether or not to be a hero the computer just kind of can't process the information he's giving it and explodes, seemingly short-circuiting the entire city and making his choice for him. There does also seem to be a weird puritanical undercurrent to this story, as if the reason everything went to hell was just those damn hippies ruined the world. Still, the set-up was intriguing, and the chemistry between Michael York and Jenny Agutter (as well as eventually a delightful, mumbling old Peter Ustinov in the third act) is strong enough that I was engaged despite the shortcomings." ~KBM "Definitely a ridiculous premise, but I liked the setting and atmosphere. It was intriguing to see a simultaneous utopia and dystopia. I did find the movie to go downhill once the main characters met the robot though. The robots scene was quite weird and felt out of place. There was too much time spent in the outside world but with that being said, its a fun, silly and thoughtful journey." ~JONA "Logans Run is an interesting concept for a post-apocalyptic utopian dystopia film. The world is built up strong, establishing that people arent allowed to exist in society past the age of thirty, and theres a class of hunters that track down anyone that tries to avoid their intended fate. One of those hunters is tasked with infiltrating the societys underbelly in order to find out where all the runners are hiding, to end their shenanigans once and for all. And all that is fine, because that hunter becomes the hero seeking to upend the society, which has become very stagnant and accepting of their shitty lot in life. The main flaws I have are twofold: one, the acting is kinda cheesy and terrible, and two, the movie never does a good job of explaining WHY no one over thirty is allowed to live. I get it from the perspective of we dont want overpopulation, but then why do you care if they run away instead of reporting for death? Overall, its an interesting concept that I definitely liked watching, but it pales in comparison to the high caliber of this list as a whole." ~Inviso --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912233017] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>"Logan falls into a long list of characters that I initially disliked, mostly all for the same reason. Your lead protagonist should never be one that you find it hard to root for. However, unlike many of the others on that list Logan comes around and changes his ways, becoming someone you want to see succeed. The machines here are kinda stupid, and their defeat basically comes at their own hands for being short-sighted. It's interesting that these machines, which control the lives of the entire city so effortless and perpetuate a lie were unable to rectify information they were receiving. A lot of the finer concepts introduced in this world are not really explored, because there just wasn't time for it I guess." ~charon "This feels like it laid the ground work for a whole ton of YA tropes. I definitely enjoyed this movie, but I do think it got by in large part on the charisma of its actors. There's a lot of things about this story that fall apart under scrutiny. The costumes are goofy, and there are movies from the '50s whose effects have aged better than these but beyond that, I found there to be a lot of mixed messaging and confused character motivations. Maybe the book it's based on is better about this, but by the end I still got no real sense of what Logan's true motivations were, and while I liked that sense of ambiguity for awhile, he never really got that moment to choose whether or not to be a hero the computer just kind of can't process the information he's giving it and explodes, seemingly short-circuiting the entire city and making his choice for him. There does also seem to be a weird puritanical undercurrent to this story, as if the reason everything went to hell was just those damn hippies ruined the world. Still, the set-up was intriguing, and the chemistry between Michael York and Jenny Agutter (as well as eventually a delightful, mumbling old Peter Ustinov in the third act) is strong enough that I was engaged despite the shortcomings." ~KBM "Definitely a ridiculous premise, but I liked the setting and atmosphere. It was intriguing to see a simultaneous utopia and dystopia. I did find the movie to go downhill once the main characters met the robot though. The robots scene was quite weird and felt out of place. There was too much time spent in the outside world but with that being said, its a fun, silly and thoughtful journey." ~JONA "Logans Run is an interesting concept for a post-apocalyptic utopian dystopia film. The world is built up strong, establishing that people arent allowed to exist in society past the age of thirty, and theres a class of hunters that track down anyone that tries to avoid their intended fate. One of those hunters is tasked with infiltrating the societys underbelly in order to find out where all the runners are hiding, to end their shenanigans once and for all. And all that is fine, because that hunter becomes the hero seeking to upend the society, which has become very stagnant and accepting of their shitty lot in life. The main flaws I have are twofold: one, the acting is kinda cheesy and terrible, and two, the movie never does a good job of explaining WHY no one over thirty is allowed to live. I get it from the perspective of we dont want overpopulation, but then why do you care if they run away instead of reporting for death? Overall, its an interesting concept that I definitely liked watching, but it pales in comparison to the high caliber of this list as a whole." ~Inviso</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/11/18 5:56:59 PM #162:	"What It Is: Basil Exposition clashes with a society's mores he helped to enforce - everyone who reaches the age of 30 is killed in order to maintain a level of resource consumption. Why It Matters: Based on a much more often forgotten novel of the same name, Logan's Run ended up influencing many if not most of the dystopian stories that would come after it. The concept served as the root of everything from the Defiant films to Fallout 3. It also won a handful of Saturn Awards in the year it was released. What I Think: Michael York is a fantastic actor, and I really enjoyed his performance, going from someone who is part of the problem to someone fighting directly against his role in the society he was once a part of. While the movie itself plays like your average Star Trek episode, that's actually not a strike against it, but rather a great example of the sort of conceptual morality plays that I think science fiction represents at its best. It's certainly rough around the edges in terms of effects and set pieces, and there's some cheesy acting, but this is definitely one of those moments where science fiction is reaching out to its literary roots and trying to convey a message. You can see where things like The Giver will eventually crib, well, everything about their plot." ~scarlet "It doesnt take itself too seriously, with a fun concept and some interesting set design. The film takes a nice step up when Logan and Jessica start to actually go on the run, and things get so ridiculous its impossible not to laugh. Just a bit of harmless fun." ~Snake "I was really hopeful for this one given the way it started. Bright colors and an interesting set composition giving life to a pretty interesting yet easy-to-grasp dystopia. It unfortunately didn't take long to take a steep dive, though. The performances were largely godawful (in part due to terrible writing). It jumps around from boring to cheesy and very rarely grasps the drama it's going for. Logan himself starts awful, which makes it weird that we're supposed to buy a sudden complete character change without actual character development to get us there. That's all bad enough, but then there's THE ROBOT." ~Johnbobb --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912233064] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>"What It Is: Basil Exposition clashes with a society's mores he helped to enforce - everyone who reaches the age of 30 is killed in order to maintain a level of resource consumption. Why It Matters: Based on a much more often forgotten novel of the same name, Logan's Run ended up influencing many if not most of the dystopian stories that would come after it. The concept served as the root of everything from the Defiant films to Fallout 3. It also won a handful of Saturn Awards in the year it was released. What I Think: Michael York is a fantastic actor, and I really enjoyed his performance, going from someone who is part of the problem to someone fighting directly against his role in the society he was once a part of. While the movie itself plays like your average Star Trek episode, that's actually not a strike against it, but rather a great example of the sort of conceptual morality plays that I think science fiction represents at its best. It's certainly rough around the edges in terms of effects and set pieces, and there's some cheesy acting, but this is definitely one of those moments where science fiction is reaching out to its literary roots and trying to convey a message. You can see where things like The Giver will eventually crib, well, everything about their plot." ~scarlet "It doesnt take itself too seriously, with a fun concept and some interesting set design. The film takes a nice step up when Logan and Jessica start to actually go on the run, and things get so ridiculous its impossible not to laugh. Just a bit of harmless fun." ~Snake "I was really hopeful for this one given the way it started. Bright colors and an interesting set composition giving life to a pretty interesting yet easy-to-grasp dystopia. It unfortunately didn't take long to take a steep dive, though. The performances were largely godawful (in part due to terrible writing). It jumps around from boring to cheesy and very rarely grasps the drama it's going for. Logan himself starts awful, which makes it weird that we're supposed to buy a sudden complete character change without actual character development to get us there. That's all bad enough, but then there's THE ROBOT." ~Johnbobb</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/11/18 5:59:31 PM #163:	The Outlander Game Part V: Genny's Run Wickle - 49 Stifled - 47 JONA - 45 KBM - 40 Inviso - 34 Snake - 34 Genny - 31 Karo - 26 Charon - 20 Johnbobb - 15 Scarlet - 15 Genny makes a huge grab of points this time, but it's Wickle who ends up making a jump to the top of the list. JONA slinks down shamefully to third place. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912233200] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>The Outlander Game Part V: Genny's Run Wickle - 49 Stifled - 47 JONA - 45 KBM - 40 Inviso - 34 Snake - 34 Genny - 31 Karo - 26 Charon - 20 Johnbobb - 15 Scarlet - 15 Genny makes a huge grab of points this time, but it's Wickle who ends up making a jump to the top of the list. JONA slinks down shamefully to third place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/11/18 6:00:39 PM #164:	Hint for #35 - Someone is about to take a big jump in the Outlander Game: a single-digit ranking is dropping! --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912233259] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>Hint for #35 - Someone is about to take a big jump in the Outlander Game: a single-digit ranking is dropping!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/11/18 6:07:20 PM #165:	scarletspeed7 posted... The main flaws I have are twofold: one, the acting is kinda cheesy and terrible, and two, the movie never does a good job of explaining WHY no one over thirty is allowed to live. I get it from the perspective of we dont want overpopulation, but then why do you care if they run away instead of reporting for death? Uh, because if they discover the truth they might leave the dome and plot to overthrow the machines that are running it of course. They can't just let them leave and learn the the truth after they've murdered countless people, probably friends of the people who escaped. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912233583] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>The main flaws I have are twofold: one, the acting is kinda cheesy and terrible, and two, the movie never does a good job of explaining WHY no one over thirty is allowed to live. I get it from the perspective of we dont want overpopulation, but then why do you care if they run away instead of reporting for death?</quote> Uh, because if they discover the truth they might leave the dome and plot to overthrow the machines that are running it of course. They can't just let them leave and learn the the truth after they've murdered countless people, probably friends of the people who escaped.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 11/11/18 6:08:25 PM #166:	v_charon posted... scarletspeed7 posted... The main flaws I have are twofold: one, the acting is kinda cheesy and terrible, and two, the movie never does a good job of explaining WHY no one over thirty is allowed to live. I get it from the perspective of we dont want overpopulation, but then why do you care if they run away instead of reporting for death? Uh, because if they discover the truth they might leave the dome and plot to overthrow the machines that are running it of course. They can't just let them leave and learn the the truth after they've murdered countless people, probably friends of the people who escaped. Yeah, but how did the original system come into place then? Before anyone was murdered. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:912233634] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>v_charon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>The main flaws I have are twofold: one, the acting is kinda cheesy and terrible, and two, the movie never does a good job of explaining WHY no one over thirty is allowed to live. I get it from the perspective of we dont want overpopulation, but then why do you care if they run away instead of reporting for death?</quote> Uh, because if they discover the truth they might leave the dome and plot to overthrow the machines that are running it of course. They can't just let them leave and learn the the truth after they've murdered countless people, probably friends of the people who escaped.</quote> Yeah, but how did the original system come into place then? Before anyone was murdered.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/11/18 6:09:08 PM #167:	That's like asking how did machines do anything they did in the movies they're involved in. Usually, that's not explained or focused on. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912233667] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>That's like asking how did machines do anything they did in the movies they're involved in. Usually, that's not explained or focused on.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 11/11/18 6:10:33 PM #168:	v_charon posted... That's like asking how did machines do anything they did in the movies they're involved in. Usually, that's not explained or focused on. I'm just saying: for such a primary cause behind the film's entire plot...they don't really give an explanation to the reasoning behind its existence. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:912233740] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>v_charon posted...</cite> <quote>That's like asking how did machines do anything they did in the movies they're involved in. Usually, that's not explained or focused on.</quote> I'm just saying: for such a primary cause behind the film's entire plot...they don't really give an explanation to the reasoning behind its existence.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/11/18 6:12:26 PM #169:	Machines in that type of role always give a certain conspiratorial vibe to the predecessors of the film's modern societies to me. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912233824] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>Machines in that type of role always give a certain conspiratorial vibe to the predecessors of the film's modern societies to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JONALEON1 11/11/18 7:10:55 PM #170:	scarletspeed7 posted... Hopefully theyll be capable of getting food, Im sure JONA was salivating at his potential meal." ~Wickle lol --- The Iron BKSheikah break your bracket and make you humble! <cite>JONALEON1 posted [p:912237090] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>Hopefully theyll be capable of getting food, Im sure JONA was salivating at his potential meal." ~Wickle</quote> lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StifledSilence 11/11/18 7:34:12 PM #171:	scarletspeed7 posted... Hint for #35 - Someone is about to take a big jump in the Outlander Game: a single-digit ranking is dropping! Its gonna be MAY --- Bear Bro The Empire of Silence <cite>StifledSilence posted [p:912238314] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>Hint for #35 - Someone is about to take a big jump in the Outlander Game: a single-digit ranking is dropping!</quote> Its gonna be MAY</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
v_charon 11/11/18 7:57:59 PM #172:	I'm noticing that Karo probably overall enjoyed this project the least. His #23 reads like a bottom 5 or worse ranking from other people while most everyone else seemed to only really not enjoy a handful of these films each. scarletspeed7 posted... "Jason didn't like Logan's Run as much as my mom and I did, and I can imagine why. Some of the interaction between Logan 5 and Jessica 6 are a little uh... rapey in vibe. A product of the 80s I imagine. The movie certainly shows its age, but in my humble opinion the concept is still strong enough that the film holds its own." ~Genny It's not that bad, as evidenced by a 25 place ranking. The effects are dated and clunky, and as others pointed out there are some cheesy bits here and there, but overall I liked it okay. I will admit Logan's evolution from rapey, entitled douchebag to heroic man in love isn't really elaborated on that much, but it's better than him just staying a jerkass like so many other leads from films of that era did. --- :> Truly smilin' <cite>v_charon posted [p:912239692] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>I'm noticing that Karo probably overall enjoyed this project the least. His #23 reads like a bottom 5 or worse ranking from other people while most everyone else seemed to only really not enjoy a handful of these films each. <cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>"Jason didn't like Logan's Run as much as my mom and I did, and I can imagine why. Some of the interaction between Logan 5 and Jessica 6 are a little uh... rapey in vibe. A product of the 80s I imagine. The movie certainly shows its age, but in my humble opinion the concept is still strong enough that the film holds its own." ~Genny</quote> It's not that bad, as evidenced by a 25 place ranking. The effects are dated and clunky, and as others pointed out there are some cheesy bits here and there, but overall I liked it okay. I will admit Logan's evolution from rapey, entitled douchebag to heroic man in love isn't really elaborated on that much, but it's better than him just staying a jerkass like so many other leads from films of that era did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 11/11/18 8:10:39 PM #173:	forbidden planet and logan's run out already? geez. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:912240291] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>forbidden planet and logan's run out already? geez.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GenesisSaga 11/12/18 12:13:40 AM #174:	I am disappoint --- "You're stronger than you believe. Don't let your fear own you. Own yourself." - Michelle Hodkin <cite>GenesisSaga posted [p:912252769] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>I am disappoint</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 2:09:29 AM #175:	v_charon posted... I'm noticing that Karo probably overall enjoyed this project the least. His #23 reads like a bottom 5 or worse ranking from other people while most everyone else seemed to only really not enjoy a handful of these films each. The day Karo admits enjoyment of something, the world will immediately be replaced by something even more awful and full of despair, daring him to find something new he actually likes. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912256323] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>v_charon posted...</cite> <quote>I'm noticing that Karo probably overall enjoyed this project the least. His #23 reads like a bottom 5 or worse ranking from other people while most everyone else seemed to only really not enjoy a handful of these films each.</quote> The day Karo admits enjoyment of something, the world will immediately be replaced by something even more awful and full of despair, daring him to find something new he actually likes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceKaro 11/12/18 10:30:57 AM #176:	v_charon posted... I'm noticing that Karo probably overall enjoyed this project the least. His #23 reads like a bottom 5 or worse ranking from other people while most everyone else seemed to only really not enjoy a handful of these films each. I actually enjoyed it more than any other live action list so far anyway this is pretty much the exact bottom five I expected thus far --- https://i.imgtc.com/a6iBg1Y.jpg all going according to the plan of BKSheikah* this time...* <cite>PrinceKaro posted [p:912268834] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>v_charon posted...</cite> <quote>I'm noticing that Karo probably overall enjoyed this project the least. His #23 reads like a bottom 5 or worse ranking from other people while most everyone else seemed to only really not enjoy a handful of these films each.</quote> I actually enjoyed it more than any other live action list so far anyway this is pretty much the exact bottom five I expected thus far</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 11:32:12 AM #177:	#35 - Outland (1981) Stifled - 7 Karo - 20 KBM - 20 Scarlet - 22 Wickle - 26 Charon - 31 Inviso - 31 Johnbobb - 34 JONA - 34 Genny - 36 Snake - 40 Total: 301 "Three things are always assured. Death, taxes, and Sean Connery being Sean Connery. If you tuned into this movie expecting to see Sean Connery be Sean Connery to a high level of Sean Connerydom, you are in luck. He is maximum Sean Connery and it is wonderful. I had never even heard of this movie before watching it, but Im really glad I did. It gave me a big Red Faction vibe, which I was happy about. The doctor was quite a character that could hang with Sean Connery. The villain was a total asshole (as pointed out by Sean Connery, so its true) and while he wasnt menacing in any way, he was appropriately antagonistic. The showdown with the hired guns was fun, but the betrayal from that other cop that got hardly any screen time was kinda dumb. Not a deal breaker by any stretch and their fight was cool, but it left me a tad underwhelmed. Regardless, really good movie I actually wanna watch again soon. Traviss Opinion: Based on what I read on the IMDB parents guide beforehand, I decided to have Travis skip this one. Although besides the naked chick getting beaten up and a few heads exploding, it really wasnt a hard R. I might let him watch it next time. " ~Stifled "So James Bond is a marshal on a mining colony on one of Jupiter's moons and has to solve the mystery of why the miners keep going nuts. He soon uncovers a drug ring in the colony that has connections on the highest levels so of course he feels the need to be a one man army and take on the whole fucking universe. The main character is essentially a stick-up-the-arse tool, he's a family man who doesnt seem to give a shit about his family, or at least puts their happiness (and safety) in a lower tier than 'being a badass space sheriff'. It is honestly only Connerys acting skills that keep the movie from imploding into an unmemorable slog, and when the story focused on the mystery at hand things remained interesting. By the time we get to the Gunfight at the Io Corral the movie has begun to wear out its welcome, and even the betrayal of Deputy Black Guy feels more arbitrary than surprising." ~Karo "Underrated movie alert: all sources indicated that my feelings on this movie would be lukewarm, at best, but it turned out to be a campy delight. Sean Connery, just prior his second un-retirement from the role of James Bond, plays the mouthy new marshal just transferred to a backwater station on Io (which, as the movie helpfully informs us in the opening text, is pronounced Eye-oh). He immediately sets to rooting out corruption stemming from a sneering Peter Boyle, with the help of a hilariously crotchety old doctor lady who could give Dr. McCoy a run for his money in the snark department. Lots of heads explode, and yes, we've all heard this story before, but goddammit it's in space and it's Sean Connery and it's awesome. Visually speaking, it's possible it borrows a bit too much from Alien, and if the filmmakers didn't want me immediately comparing this movie to Alien, well, then, they shouldn't have used that obvious font for the title card. But yeah, I enjoyed this one a lot, lot more than I expected. " ~KBM --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912271648] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>#35 - Outland (1981) Stifled - 7 Karo - 20 KBM - 20 Scarlet - 22 Wickle - 26 Charon - 31 Inviso - 31 Johnbobb - 34 JONA - 34 Genny - 36 Snake - 40 Total: 301 "Three things are always assured. Death, taxes, and Sean Connery being Sean Connery. If you tuned into this movie expecting to see Sean Connery be Sean Connery to a high level of Sean Connerydom, you are in luck. He is maximum Sean Connery and it is wonderful. I had never even heard of this movie before watching it, but Im really glad I did. It gave me a big Red Faction vibe, which I was happy about. The doctor was quite a character that could hang with Sean Connery. The villain was a total asshole (as pointed out by Sean Connery, so its true) and while he wasnt menacing in any way, he was appropriately antagonistic. The showdown with the hired guns was fun, but the betrayal from that other cop that got hardly any screen time was kinda dumb. Not a deal breaker by any stretch and their fight was cool, but it left me a tad underwhelmed. Regardless, really good movie I actually wanna watch again soon. Traviss Opinion: Based on what I read on the IMDB parents guide beforehand, I decided to have Travis skip this one. Although besides the naked chick getting beaten up and a few heads exploding, it really wasnt a hard R. I might let him watch it next time. " ~Stifled "So James Bond is a marshal on a mining colony on one of Jupiter's moons and has to solve the mystery of why the miners keep going nuts. He soon uncovers a drug ring in the colony that has connections on the highest levels so of course he feels the need to be a one man army and take on the whole fucking universe. The main character is essentially a stick-up-the-arse tool, he's a family man who doesnt seem to give a shit about his family, or at least puts their happiness (and safety) in a lower tier than 'being a badass space sheriff'. It is honestly only Connerys acting skills that keep the movie from imploding into an unmemorable slog, and when the story focused on the mystery at hand things remained interesting. By the time we get to the Gunfight at the Io Corral the movie has begun to wear out its welcome, and even the betrayal of Deputy Black Guy feels more arbitrary than surprising." ~Karo "Underrated movie alert: all sources indicated that my feelings on this movie would be lukewarm, at best, but it turned out to be a campy delight. Sean Connery, just prior his second un-retirement from the role of James Bond, plays the mouthy new marshal just transferred to a backwater station on Io (which, as the movie helpfully informs us in the opening text, is pronounced Eye-oh). He immediately sets to rooting out corruption stemming from a sneering Peter Boyle, with the help of a hilariously crotchety old doctor lady who could give Dr. McCoy a run for his money in the snark department. Lots of heads explode, and yes, we've all heard this story before, but goddammit it's in space and it's Sean Connery and it's awesome. Visually speaking, it's possible it borrows a bit too much from Alien, and if the filmmakers didn't want me immediately comparing this movie to Alien, well, then, they shouldn't have used that obvious font for the title card. But yeah, I enjoyed this one a lot, lot more than I expected. " ~KBM</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 11:39:44 AM #178:	"What It Is: On a titanium mining planetoid ruled by the iron fist of Peter Boyle, a new sheriff rides into town. Turns out, this town ain't big enough for the two of them. Why It Matters: This movie is probably one of the least influential movies on this list, but it does have the distinction of serving as a major inspiration for Joss Whedon's cult classic TV show Firefly. What I Think: I'm a sucker for anything western-related. I love the romantic notion of a lone lawman facing the daunting task of protecting the sanctity of the law in a world where everything seems to stand at odds with that notion, and this movie certainly plays into that archetype. It's not spectacular, but it certainly is an enjoyable romp of action sequences. That said, I imagine that it won't rank too highly on the final list, but given that it is the first real genre hybrid of westerns and science fiction on the big screen, I think it definitely deserves a little respect." ~scarlet " After the movie I had to check if the actress who played Lazarus was related to Jane Lynch as she sounded very similar to her. Anyway, bloody head explosion things again. Not as gross as they were in Total Recall, but similar. Sean Connerys character was not bad though. Good planning for the elite soldiers coming. The movie just lacked something to push it higher." ~Wickle "Connery plays a good part here, and it definitely has that western feel to it. It's able to create an interesting world on a foreign world to Earth but still make it feel like an old mining town full of corruption and sin back on the planet. I'm conflicted about this one because while I like the atmosphere, the world and find Connery's character a good lead, there's something a little slow and plodding about this movie too. There are action scenes, and they generally aren't super flashy, but still end up feeling effective. Yet there are times between them when it feels like the movie is just creating extra time by showing you elaborately set plans and painstakingly created scenarios. The way our hero defeats the hitmen is clever and unique, but somehow I didn't feel that excited by it either. It's weird. " ~charon "This is a really weird film for this list, partially because Id never heard of it before, and partially because aside from the setting, nothing about this film or its plot requires it to be a sci-fi film. By all accounts, this could be a standard police movie, or hell, it could even be a Western with a few extra tweaks. It definitely feels interesting to have that ending sequence where Sean Connery has to Home Alone his way through killing three would-be assassins. I will admit though, the setting allows for some more interesting deaths, what with the rapid decompression, or getting dudes sucked out into space. Overall, it felt like an enjoyable police movie, and I found the acting fine (especially the future bug spray flamethrower lady from The Mist.) So this felts like an acceptable place for the ranking." ~Inviso --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912271996] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>"What It Is: On a titanium mining planetoid ruled by the iron fist of Peter Boyle, a new sheriff rides into town. Turns out, this town ain't big enough for the two of them. Why It Matters: This movie is probably one of the least influential movies on this list, but it does have the distinction of serving as a major inspiration for Joss Whedon's cult classic TV show Firefly. What I Think: I'm a sucker for anything western-related. I love the romantic notion of a lone lawman facing the daunting task of protecting the sanctity of the law in a world where everything seems to stand at odds with that notion, and this movie certainly plays into that archetype. It's not spectacular, but it certainly is an enjoyable romp of action sequences. That said, I imagine that it won't rank too highly on the final list, but given that it is the first real genre hybrid of westerns and science fiction on the big screen, I think it definitely deserves a little respect." ~scarlet " After the movie I had to check if the actress who played Lazarus was related to Jane Lynch as she sounded very similar to her. Anyway, bloody head explosion things again. Not as gross as they were in Total Recall, but similar. Sean Connerys character was not bad though. Good planning for the elite soldiers coming. The movie just lacked something to push it higher." ~Wickle "Connery plays a good part here, and it definitely has that western feel to it. It's able to create an interesting world on a foreign world to Earth but still make it feel like an old mining town full of corruption and sin back on the planet. I'm conflicted about this one because while I like the atmosphere, the world and find Connery's character a good lead, there's something a little slow and plodding about this movie too. There are action scenes, and they generally aren't super flashy, but still end up feeling effective. Yet there are times between them when it feels like the movie is just creating extra time by showing you elaborately set plans and painstakingly created scenarios. The way our hero defeats the hitmen is clever and unique, but somehow I didn't feel that excited by it either. It's weird. " ~charon "This is a really weird film for this list, partially because Id never heard of it before, and partially because aside from the setting, nothing about this film or its plot requires it to be a sci-fi film. By all accounts, this could be a standard police movie, or hell, it could even be a Western with a few extra tweaks. It definitely feels interesting to have that ending sequence where Sean Connery has to Home Alone his way through killing three would-be assassins. I will admit though, the setting allows for some more interesting deaths, what with the rapid decompression, or getting dudes sucked out into space. Overall, it felt like an enjoyable police movie, and I found the acting fine (especially the future bug spray flamethrower lady from The Mist.) So this felts like an acceptable place for the ranking." ~Inviso</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 11:39:49 AM #179:	"This is a really weird film for this list, partially because Id never heard of it before, and partially because aside from the setting, nothing about this film or its plot requires it to be a sci-fi film. By all accounts, this could be a standard police movie, or hell, it could even be a Western with a few extra tweaks. It definitely feels interesting to have that ending sequence where Sean Connery has to Home Alone his way through killing three would-be assassins. I will admit though, the setting allows for some more interesting deaths, what with the rapid decompression, or getting dudes sucked out into space. Overall, it felt like an enjoyable police movie, and I found the acting fine (especially the future bug spray flamethrower lady from The Mist.) So this felts like an acceptable place for the ranking." ~Johnbobb "Sean Connery gives a good performance and the film has a good atmosphere, but the story is rather dull, and the action doesnt stand out. " ~JONA "My brain was asleep through most of Outland. I don't think I could tell you five details about that movie to be honest. It stars Sean Connery. It takes place in like a factory. The workers are self-terminating seemingly at random. The are assassins hired to obfuscate a conspiracy... That's it. Yawn." ~Genny "The film generally has a dull and clinical sense of style throughout, and none of the performances are really that exciting, I even felt Sean Connery phoning it in greatly. The score is cool though, and I would expect nothing less from Jerry Goldsmith. " ~Snake --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912272001] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>"This is a really weird film for this list, partially because Id never heard of it before, and partially because aside from the setting, nothing about this film or its plot requires it to be a sci-fi film. By all accounts, this could be a standard police movie, or hell, it could even be a Western with a few extra tweaks. It definitely feels interesting to have that ending sequence where Sean Connery has to Home Alone his way through killing three would-be assassins. I will admit though, the setting allows for some more interesting deaths, what with the rapid decompression, or getting dudes sucked out into space. Overall, it felt like an enjoyable police movie, and I found the acting fine (especially the future bug spray flamethrower lady from The Mist.) So this felts like an acceptable place for the ranking." ~Johnbobb "Sean Connery gives a good performance and the film has a good atmosphere, but the story is rather dull, and the action doesnt stand out. " ~JONA "My brain was asleep through most of Outland. I don't think I could tell you five details about that movie to be honest. It stars Sean Connery. It takes place in like a factory. The workers are self-terminating seemingly at random. The are assassins hired to obfuscate a conspiracy... That's it. Yawn." ~Genny "The film generally has a dull and clinical sense of style throughout, and none of the performances are really that exciting, I even felt Sean Connery phoning it in greatly. The score is cool though, and I would expect nothing less from Jerry Goldsmith. " ~Snake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anagram 11/12/18 11:41:42 AM #180:	I remember watching Outland in like 2006. The only thing I remember is Sean Connery in a spacesuit climbing something, and I'm not confident that that's really part of the movie. --- Not changing this sig until I decide to change this sig. Started: July 6, 2005 <cite>Anagram posted [p:912272086] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>I remember watching Outland in like 2006. The only thing I remember is Sean Connery in a spacesuit climbing something, and I'm not confident that that's really part of the movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 11:42:54 AM #181:	The Outlander Game Part VI: It's Out(land) Stifled - 75 Wickle - 58 KBM - 55 JONA - 46 Karo - 41 Snake - 39 Inviso - 38 Genny - 32 Scarlet - 28 Charon - 24 Johnbobb - 16 Stifled takes a commanding lead. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912272141] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>The Outlander Game Part VI: It's Out(land) Stifled - 75 Wickle - 58 KBM - 55 JONA - 46 Karo - 41 Snake - 39 Inviso - 38 Genny - 32 Scarlet - 28 Charon - 24 Johnbobb - 16 Stifled takes a commanding lead.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceKaro 11/12/18 11:50:00 AM #182:	yeah I figured that would probably be the first post star wars movie to go down --- https://i.imgtc.com/a6iBg1Y.jpg all going according to the plan of BKSheikah* this time...* <cite>PrinceKaro posted [p:912272487] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>yeah I figured that would probably be the first post star wars movie to go down</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GenesisSaga 11/12/18 11:50:46 AM #183:	That's amazing that Inviso and John Bob had the same thoughts on the film, word for word even! --- "You're stronger than you believe. Don't let your fear own you. Own yourself." - Michelle Hodkin <cite>GenesisSaga posted [p:912272529] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>That's amazing that Inviso and John Bob had the same thoughts on the film, word for word even!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JONALEON1 11/12/18 11:52:01 AM #184:	Didn't expect Snake to have this at 40. --- The Iron BKSheikah break your bracket and make you humble! <cite>JONALEON1 posted [p:912272585] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>Didn't expect Snake to have this at 40.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 11:59:29 AM #185:	I always appreciate rude snarkiness instead of just a helpful correction. I have to post these at work most days. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912272931] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>I always appreciate rude snarkiness instead of just a helpful correction. I have to post these at work most days.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GenesisSaga 11/12/18 12:05:41 PM #186:	Happy to help! Sorry, "snark" is my default setting and I have to turn that off enough in everyday society lest I'm labeled antisocial. :P --- "You're stronger than you believe. Don't let your fear own you. Own yourself." - Michelle Hodkin <cite>GenesisSaga posted [p:912273238] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>Happy to help! Sorry, "snark" is my default setting and I have to turn that off enough in everyday society lest I'm labeled antisocial. :P</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 12:18:08 PM #187:	Sorry, I had to stop and help a customer in the middle of trying to post that, and then the browser ate one of the posts right out from under me. It was already really frustrating before I saw a post that, to me, read like, "Ha, look at the dumb motherfucker who can't even make a simple post." --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912273851] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>Sorry, I had to stop and help a customer in the middle of trying to post that, and then the browser ate one of the posts right out from under me. It was already really frustrating before I saw a post that, to me, read like, "Ha, look at the dumb motherfucker who can't even make a simple post."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Johnbobb 11/12/18 12:29:26 PM #188:	for what it's worth me and Inviso did have almost the same thoughts on this movie I saw Gen's post after it had already been fixed and didn't even realize it was s joke --- Khal Kirby, warlord of the Super Star Khalasar PSN/Steam: CheddarBBQ https://goo.gl/Diw2hs <cite>Johnbobb posted [p:912274392] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>for what it's worth me and Inviso did have almost the same thoughts on this movie I saw Gen's post after it had already been fixed and didn't even realize it was s joke</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StifledSilence 11/12/18 12:31:56 PM #189:	I had no idea Outland would be near the bottom before the project started a few days ago. But then after a few people predicted it would go out, I suddenly felt a neon sign pointing to me with that hint lol --- Bear Bro The Empire of Silence <cite>StifledSilence posted [p:912274502] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>I had no idea Outland would be near the bottom before the project started a few days ago. But then after a few people predicted it would go out, I suddenly felt a neon sign pointing to me with that hint lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StifledSilence 11/12/18 12:33:34 PM #190:	scarletspeed7 posted... I always appreciate rude snarkiness instead of just a helpful correction. I have to post these at work most days. I hope you didn't take my jab yesterday offensively, speaking of which. I was just messing with you. --- Bear Bro The Empire of Silence <cite>StifledSilence posted [p:912274591] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>I always appreciate rude snarkiness instead of just a helpful correction. I have to post these at work most days.</quote> I hope you didn't take my jab yesterday offensively, speaking of which. I was just messing with you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 11/12/18 12:56:37 PM #191:	Johnbobb posted... for what it's worth me and Inviso did have almost the same thoughts on this movie I saw Gen's post after it had already been fixed and didn't even realize it was s joke Yeah, this. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:912275770] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>Johnbobb posted...</cite> <quote>for what it's worth me and Inviso did have almost the same thoughts on this movie I saw Gen's post after it had already been fixed and didn't even realize it was s joke</quote> Yeah, this.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WickIebee 11/12/18 1:03:58 PM #192:	scarletspeed7 posted... The main character is essentially a stick-up-the-arse tool, he's a family man who doesnt seem to give a s* about his family, or at least puts their happiness (and safety) in a lower tier than 'being a badass space sheriff'. This is wrong and I should straight up point it out. He'd love to put their happiness and safety in a higher tier, but he can't as long as he's forced to play by everyone else's rules. If he's just a pawn, they won't be any safer than he is being a badass. And as for happiness, it's not his choice. Think like a family where one person is in say like the Air Force, there are random times that family has to move because the military moves one parent to another base, and they have to move with him/her. --- I'll just go back to gifs. Not like the winner was gonna click my topic. https://imgur.com/SXyi7uX <cite>WickIebee posted [p:912276150] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>The main character is essentially a stick-up-the-arse tool, he's a family man who doesnt seem to give a s* about his family, or at least puts their happiness (and safety) in a lower tier than 'being a badass space sheriff'.</quote> This is wrong and I should straight up point it out. He'd love to put their happiness and safety in a higher tier, but he can't as long as he's forced to play by everyone else's rules. If he's just a pawn, they won't be any safer than he is being a badass. And as for happiness, it's not his choice. Think like a family where one person is in say like the Air Force, there are random times that family has to move because the military moves one parent to another base, and they have to move with him/her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrinceKaro 11/12/18 1:18:03 PM #193:	WickIebee posted... scarletspeed7 posted... The main character is essentially a stick-up-the-arse tool, he's a family man who doesnt seem to give a s*** about his family, or at least puts their happiness (and safety) in a lower tier than 'being a badass space sheriff'. This is wrong and I should straight up point it out. He'd love to put their happiness and safety in a higher tier, but he can't as long as he's forced to play by everyone else's rules. If he's just a pawn, they won't be any safer than he is being a badass. And as for happiness, it's not his choice. Think like a family where one person is in say like the Air Force, there are random times that family has to move because the military moves one parent to another base, and they have to move with him/her. This is not the same thing as being a military family. Families of soldiers are actually pretty damn safe unless there's some major war where there's a risk of bombs being dropped on the base or something. This is more like taking your kids along with you into the trenches. His family are right there on the colony that is owned and run by the very people he is pissing off. If they didn't do the smart thing and blow him off halfway through the story, there is no way in hell they would have survived the movie. --- https://i.imgtc.com/a6iBg1Y.jpg all going according to the plan of BKSheikah* this time...* <cite>PrinceKaro posted [p:912276930] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote><cite>WickIebee posted...</cite> <quote><cite>scarletspeed7 posted...</cite> <quote>The main character is essentially a stick-up-the-arse tool, he's a family man who doesnt seem to give a s*** about his family, or at least puts their happiness (and safety) in a lower tier than 'being a badass space sheriff'.</quote> This is wrong and I should straight up point it out. He'd love to put their happiness and safety in a higher tier, but he can't as long as he's forced to play by everyone else's rules. If he's just a pawn, they won't be any safer than he is being a badass. And as for happiness, it's not his choice. Think like a family where one person is in say like the Air Force, there are random times that family has to move because the military moves one parent to another base, and they have to move with him/her.</quote> This is not the same thing as being a military family. Families of soldiers are actually pretty damn safe unless there's some major war where there's a risk of bombs being dropped on the base or something. This is more like taking your kids along with you into the trenches. His family are right there on the colony that is owned and run by the very people he is pissing off. If they didn't do the smart thing and blow him off halfway through the story, there is no way in hell they would have survived the movie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WickIebee 11/12/18 1:36:45 PM #194:	I mean, it's a difference of times. It is the same as being a military family if the entire world is in war time. A situation where even home is at war. This isn't some situation where he can put his family to live on Yavin 4 and go fight a war on Yavin 3. --- I'll just go back to gifs. Not like the winner was gonna click my topic. https://imgur.com/SXyi7uX <cite>WickIebee posted [p:912277952] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>I mean, it's a difference of times. It is the same as being a military family if the entire world is in war time. A situation where even home is at war. This isn't some situation where he can put his family to live on Yavin 4 and go fight a war on Yavin 3.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LinkMarioSamus 11/12/18 2:23:24 PM #195:	Now we have to do a ranking of Peter Hyams films. So Capricorn One, Outland, 2010, Running Scared, Timecop, Sudden Death, End of Days,... --- "Nothing I could do!" -Darksydephil <cite>LinkMarioSamus posted [p:912280798] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>Now we have to do a ranking of Peter Hyams films. So Capricorn One, Outland, 2010, Running Scared, Timecop, Sudden Death, End of Days,...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 2:57:23 PM #196:	Hint for #34: Four top half rankings for this one. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912282818] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>Hint for #34: Four top half rankings for this one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 4:13:17 PM #197:	#34 - Equilibrium (2002) Wickle - 7 Charon - 16 Scarlet - 16 Genny - 17 Stifled - 23 Karo - 31 Inviso - 35 JONA - 37 KBM - 37 Johnbobb - 38 Snake - 39 Total: 296 "Well, the gun fights were kind of cool, but a few aspects of the story were a little dull and the sword fight was not great. One comment I have though, it did not effect my write-up at all but why were they forced to kill someone under the doctrine, under his medication just because he was calmly reading a book. Its not like he was going completely out of sorts, stealing from everyone, holding up operations so on and so forth. There were some dumb aspects of that society, but that is why it was wrong and why it was defeated." ~Wickle "Ah, a classic Sean Bean moment for sure. It's interesting that Preston immediately has this big revelation right after he essentially murders his best friend. He begins down the same path almost instantly, which is a little sad and just a reminder that Sean Bean has to die no matter what logic there is to prevent it. I felt a lot of vibes from The Matrix in this movie, in terms of the high-octane action sequences which were a lot of fun and a big part of why I put this one in the spot I did. Bale plays the stoic, conflicted hero here long before he does it again years later. The twists and turns the character experiences are not easy to see coming. In one moment, you believe one character has the upper hand when in reality it was just a ploy all along, only to realize that the other character expected that anyway. It's fun, flashy and leaves me feeling good. All big pluses." ~charon "What It Is: Sean Bean inspires Christian Bale to take down a societal system devoid of emotion. And Bill Fitchner is there. Why It Matters: This was the first movie to come after The Matrix and attempt to ape the style and concept. In a sense, it's almost as important as the Matrix because, until this point, The Matrix was an abberation. Suddenly, the Matrix became a marketing strategy, and attempting to copy became the absolute norm. What I Think: I can see the problems others will have with this movie, but there is some subtlety in the acting that I really think makes the film worth the watch. If you can't portray emotions, how do you convey if you're the bad guy? Taye Diggs really performs admirably on that tough tightrope he has to walk. I've also always enjoyed the gun fu style of fighting; you really never see it this way anywhere else, and it does feel like the most fleshed out aspect of the film. There are certainly some issues with the script, but overall, I bought the world and the three main characters." ~scarlet "So this is like "The Matrix" but if Keanu Reeves was a good actor. Right? That's pretty much all I got from this. The physics are (slightly) more realistic but it's easy to see one took heavy inspiration from the other. My only major gripe with Equilibrium is that Taye Diggs' character had all this buildup leading to an epic showdown and went out like a total bitch." ~Genny --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912287180] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>#34 - Equilibrium (2002) Wickle - 7 Charon - 16 Scarlet - 16 Genny - 17 Stifled - 23 Karo - 31 Inviso - 35 JONA - 37 KBM - 37 Johnbobb - 38 Snake - 39 Total: 296 "Well, the gun fights were kind of cool, but a few aspects of the story were a little dull and the sword fight was not great. One comment I have though, it did not effect my write-up at all but why were they forced to kill someone under the doctrine, under his medication just because he was calmly reading a book. Its not like he was going completely out of sorts, stealing from everyone, holding up operations so on and so forth. There were some dumb aspects of that society, but that is why it was wrong and why it was defeated." ~Wickle "Ah, a classic Sean Bean moment for sure. It's interesting that Preston immediately has this big revelation right after he essentially murders his best friend. He begins down the same path almost instantly, which is a little sad and just a reminder that Sean Bean has to die no matter what logic there is to prevent it. I felt a lot of vibes from The Matrix in this movie, in terms of the high-octane action sequences which were a lot of fun and a big part of why I put this one in the spot I did. Bale plays the stoic, conflicted hero here long before he does it again years later. The twists and turns the character experiences are not easy to see coming. In one moment, you believe one character has the upper hand when in reality it was just a ploy all along, only to realize that the other character expected that anyway. It's fun, flashy and leaves me feeling good. All big pluses." ~charon "What It Is: Sean Bean inspires Christian Bale to take down a societal system devoid of emotion. And Bill Fitchner is there. Why It Matters: This was the first movie to come after The Matrix and attempt to ape the style and concept. In a sense, it's almost as important as the Matrix because, until this point, The Matrix was an abberation. Suddenly, the Matrix became a marketing strategy, and attempting to copy became the absolute norm. What I Think: I can see the problems others will have with this movie, but there is some subtlety in the acting that I really think makes the film worth the watch. If you can't portray emotions, how do you convey if you're the bad guy? Taye Diggs really performs admirably on that tough tightrope he has to walk. I've also always enjoyed the gun fu style of fighting; you really never see it this way anywhere else, and it does feel like the most fleshed out aspect of the film. There are certainly some issues with the script, but overall, I bought the world and the three main characters." ~scarlet "So this is like "The Matrix" but if Keanu Reeves was a good actor. Right? That's pretty much all I got from this. The physics are (slightly) more realistic but it's easy to see one took heavy inspiration from the other. My only major gripe with Equilibrium is that Taye Diggs' character had all this buildup leading to an epic showdown and went out like a total bitch." ~Genny</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 4:13:30 PM #198:	"Lets get something out of the way first. The marketing described this as a Matrix killer. Let me be the first to say absolutely not and deliver a strong cackle to the contrary. Quite the fact, this is not similar to the Matrix at all except for the slow down fighting. This movie is badly reviewed and I feel like the Matrix killer nonsense plays a huge role, because it was quite good. There were some cheesy elements for sure, and a few of the action scenes were kinda lame at the beginning, but I had a good time with this. The idea of everyone suppressing their emotions with medication is one of the more interesting utopia ideas I have seen. The only issue is the black dude didnt get the memo about that. He was very expressive the whole time and no one interrogated him about it. While I hated the animal killings, they at least added some audience investment to Christian Bale wiping those damn dog killers off the face of the earth. And outside of the wonky opening sequence, the gun-fu or whatever they called it was really cool, especially for the ending battle. They also added swordplay forsome reasonbut it was cool too at least. And not really a plot point, but more of a side not, Sean Bean might have set the all time Sean Bean record with this one. Damn. Traviss Opinion: Travis did not like this at all. He played with his back to it. He also kept trying to bug me and prevent me from watching it." ~Stifled "In the far future, war has been eliminated by the systematic eradication of the greatest inciter of conflict in human history. No not religion or racism you silly goose, I'm talking about art and poetry! Fuck you Mona Lisa, you caused World War II! All the people of the world also now take a drug to help suppress their emotions for the good of society because the world would totally be safer with everyone a dispassionate uncaring sociopath. This dystopia is policed by the Gramophone Clerics, enforcers who study the statistical analysis of common gunfire trajectories. They can thus dodge every bullet fired at them because their data is really REALLY good. The story is of course that one of these guys sees the light and sets out to take down his own people, who of course lose because they do some bizarre setup to troll the protagonist rather than just like, killing him when he was captured and helpless. Every aspect of the world requires a great deal of suspension of disbelief to simply not break out laughing, and given that the film was supposed to deal with some pretty serious issues and wasn't meant to be a comedy this is absolutely not a good thing. It honestly just feels like something that is riding on the coattails of that OTHER movie about the gunslinging guy in a black coat with uncanny reflexes who sticks it to The Man, and while it is not unwatchable, it is extremely derivative and unoriginal." ~Karo "Theres something inherently hard to enjoy about a movie in which a dystopian government has eliminated all emotion. Because the very concept relies on actors in a movie being able to portray an emotionless state. And it was just very jarring for me at numerous instances to see characters clearly expressing anger or fear, without those emotions being called out as contradictory to the whims of society. Furthermorethis just felt verystandard. It had good moments, but the best thing about the film were the three or four fight scenes, and they were all so quick that I couldnt sit down and truly enjoy them like I mightve wanted to. Even the ending of the film resolves itself so quickly, when it shouldve been a far more drawn-out affair. I dunnoit just didnt hit the mark as far as Im concerned is all." ~Inviso --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912287192] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>"Lets get something out of the way first. The marketing described this as a Matrix killer. Let me be the first to say absolutely not and deliver a strong cackle to the contrary. Quite the fact, this is not similar to the Matrix at all except for the slow down fighting. This movie is badly reviewed and I feel like the Matrix killer nonsense plays a huge role, because it was quite good. There were some cheesy elements for sure, and a few of the action scenes were kinda lame at the beginning, but I had a good time with this. The idea of everyone suppressing their emotions with medication is one of the more interesting utopia ideas I have seen. The only issue is the black dude didnt get the memo about that. He was very expressive the whole time and no one interrogated him about it. While I hated the animal killings, they at least added some audience investment to Christian Bale wiping those damn dog killers off the face of the earth. And outside of the wonky opening sequence, the gun-fu or whatever they called it was really cool, especially for the ending battle. They also added swordplay forsome reasonbut it was cool too at least. And not really a plot point, but more of a side not, Sean Bean might have set the all time Sean Bean record with this one. Damn. Traviss Opinion: Travis did not like this at all. He played with his back to it. He also kept trying to bug me and prevent me from watching it." ~Stifled "In the far future, war has been eliminated by the systematic eradication of the greatest inciter of conflict in human history. No not religion or racism you silly goose, I'm talking about art and poetry! Fuck you Mona Lisa, you caused World War II! All the people of the world also now take a drug to help suppress their emotions for the good of society because the world would totally be safer with everyone a dispassionate uncaring sociopath. This dystopia is policed by the Gramophone Clerics, enforcers who study the statistical analysis of common gunfire trajectories. They can thus dodge every bullet fired at them because their data is really REALLY good. The story is of course that one of these guys sees the light and sets out to take down his own people, who of course lose because they do some bizarre setup to troll the protagonist rather than just like, killing him when he was captured and helpless. Every aspect of the world requires a great deal of suspension of disbelief to simply not break out laughing, and given that the film was supposed to deal with some pretty serious issues and wasn't meant to be a comedy this is absolutely not a good thing. It honestly just feels like something that is riding on the coattails of that OTHER movie about the gunslinging guy in a black coat with uncanny reflexes who sticks it to The Man, and while it is not unwatchable, it is extremely derivative and unoriginal." ~Karo "Theres something inherently hard to enjoy about a movie in which a dystopian government has eliminated all emotion. Because the very concept relies on actors in a movie being able to portray an emotionless state. And it was just very jarring for me at numerous instances to see characters clearly expressing anger or fear, without those emotions being called out as contradictory to the whims of society. Furthermorethis just felt verystandard. It had good moments, but the best thing about the film were the three or four fight scenes, and they were all so quick that I couldnt sit down and truly enjoy them like I mightve wanted to. Even the ending of the film resolves itself so quickly, when it shouldve been a far more drawn-out affair. I dunnoit just didnt hit the mark as far as Im concerned is all." ~Inviso</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 4:14:28 PM #199:	"The only movie on the list where I think the entire premise of the movie is fucking stupid. Usually, Im not one to completely shoot down a movie based on the premise if the movie does a good job of justifying it and Equilibrium doesnt. I get the point of it but its just so incredibly ridiculous to even think it could happen. The action can be a little bit cool, although you have to overlook that many of Christian Bales opponents just stand still or are really bad shots. The movie can be kinda fun in a bad way." ~JONA "Quite possibly the single most derivative movie on this list. Mash up a whole bunch of better movies that were popular in the '90s, and you get Equilibrium. It's not like this is a terrible sit (mostly thanks to a strong cast) but it is one of those that goes straight out of your brain a couple days after watching it. Thematically, it's pretty obvious, as it borrows Important Themes from stuff like The Giver, Demolition Man, and Harrison Bergeron, which has the unfortunate side-effect of making the proceedings painfully obvious. (The gun fu doesn't lend the movie any subtlety either.) Visually speaking, we're also borrowing heavily from John Woo and the Wachowski Sisters. The main problem here, of course, is that Kurt Wimmer is not as smart a writer or filmmaker as the likes of his obvious inspirations. All that said, Equilibrium still would have made it higher on a different list. Behind the familiarity, there's some great cinematography from Academy Award winner Dion Beebe, and as I said, some of the casting is really great (especially Christian Bale) even though, it must be admitted, it's sometimes difficult to watch people trying to act like they have no emotions: a concept that, outside of the Vulcans in Star Trek, usually works better in a novel than in a film." ~KBM "This is a dumb movie. Worse than that, it's a dumb movie that THINKS it's smart. It's one of the least subtle dystopian futures I've seen in any type of media, on top of just not making any fucking sense. To avoid war, they make all emotion illegal and kill anyone that expresses it. Is that, like, international policy, or just a thing in the US? How would that be agreed upon and enforced worldwide? Ignore the fact that emotion isn't what causes war to begin with. It even says "emotion is what causes mankind's violence against mankind" and yet the emotionless dystopia seems to exist almost solely to murder hundreds of random civilians and animals so how the fuck does that solve the violence problem? And on top of that, SOME emotions seem to be just fine. Pride, anger and fear all seem to be reinforced by the government, with only happiness and sadness ever being a problem. ALSO if all the weird ninja police are trained extensively at gun-kata why is Christian Bale literally the only one who ever manages to use it effectively, while the rest of the police force basically has the gun skills of stormtroopers? The only thing that stops this movie from tanking completely is the admittedly badass gun fights. It feels like they just made some cool fight scenes and then tried to shamble together a story around them." ~Johnbobb "Borrows the best parts of other sci-fi films to create a high octane action flick without much other substance to it. " ~Snake --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912287252] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>"The only movie on the list where I think the entire premise of the movie is fucking stupid. Usually, Im not one to completely shoot down a movie based on the premise if the movie does a good job of justifying it and Equilibrium doesnt. I get the point of it but its just so incredibly ridiculous to even think it could happen. The action can be a little bit cool, although you have to overlook that many of Christian Bales opponents just stand still or are really bad shots. The movie can be kinda fun in a bad way." ~JONA "Quite possibly the single most derivative movie on this list. Mash up a whole bunch of better movies that were popular in the '90s, and you get Equilibrium. It's not like this is a terrible sit (mostly thanks to a strong cast) but it is one of those that goes straight out of your brain a couple days after watching it. Thematically, it's pretty obvious, as it borrows Important Themes from stuff like The Giver, Demolition Man, and Harrison Bergeron, which has the unfortunate side-effect of making the proceedings painfully obvious. (The gun fu doesn't lend the movie any subtlety either.) Visually speaking, we're also borrowing heavily from John Woo and the Wachowski Sisters. The main problem here, of course, is that Kurt Wimmer is not as smart a writer or filmmaker as the likes of his obvious inspirations. All that said, Equilibrium still would have made it higher on a different list. Behind the familiarity, there's some great cinematography from Academy Award winner Dion Beebe, and as I said, some of the casting is really great (especially Christian Bale) even though, it must be admitted, it's sometimes difficult to watch people trying to act like they have no emotions: a concept that, outside of the Vulcans in Star Trek, usually works better in a novel than in a film." ~KBM "This is a dumb movie. Worse than that, it's a dumb movie that THINKS it's smart. It's one of the least subtle dystopian futures I've seen in any type of media, on top of just not making any fucking sense. To avoid war, they make all emotion illegal and kill anyone that expresses it. Is that, like, international policy, or just a thing in the US? How would that be agreed upon and enforced worldwide? Ignore the fact that emotion isn't what causes war to begin with. It even says "emotion is what causes mankind's violence against mankind" and yet the emotionless dystopia seems to exist almost solely to murder hundreds of random civilians and animals so how the fuck does that solve the violence problem? And on top of that, SOME emotions seem to be just fine. Pride, anger and fear all seem to be reinforced by the government, with only happiness and sadness ever being a problem. ALSO if all the weird ninja police are trained extensively at gun-kata why is Christian Bale literally the only one who ever manages to use it effectively, while the rest of the police force basically has the gun skills of stormtroopers? The only thing that stops this movie from tanking completely is the admittedly badass gun fights. It feels like they just made some cool fight scenes and then tried to shamble together a story around them." ~Johnbobb "Borrows the best parts of other sci-fi films to create a high octane action flick without much other substance to it. " ~Snake</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scarletspeed7 11/12/18 4:18:12 PM #200:	The Outlander Game Part VII: Wicklebrium Wickle - 87 Stifled - 86 KBM - 58 Genny - 49 JONA - 49 Scarlet - 46 Karo - 44 Snake - 44 Charon - 42 Inviso - 39 Johnbobb - 20 Wickle makes a huge grab of points and now sits just one point in the lead, holding a very tenuous grasp on first. --- "It is too easy being monsters. Let us try to be human." ~Victor Frankenstein, Penny Dreadful <cite>scarletspeed7 posted [p:912287440] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>The Outlander Game Part VII: Wicklebrium Wickle - 87 Stifled - 86 KBM - 58 Genny - 49 JONA - 49 Scarlet - 46 Karo - 44 Snake - 44 Charon - 42 Inviso - 39 Johnbobb - 20 Wickle makes a huge grab of points and now sits just one point in the lead, holding a very tenuous grasp on first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Inviso 11/12/18 4:19:24 PM #201:	That is a REALLY good pun. --- Touch fuzzy. Get fuzzier. Inviso <cite>Inviso posted [p:912287498] in Gauntlet C... [t:77189347]...</cite> <quote>That is a REALLY good pun.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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