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xp1337
10/30/18 3:34:19 PM
#352:


red13n posted...
Trump keeping up as much scary brown people talk as he can muster before the elections.

More anecdotal check-ins from my district. (Again Likely-R district. It flipping would be upper end blue tsunami stuff but not impossible though on 538 it snapped back closer to Solid R recently and actually is on the Deluxe Model albeit just barely)

Way more R ads than D (on TV at least. Or at least from what channels are on that I'm overhearing when I'm near one. D ads seemed to me more frequent about a month ago or so. R ads definitely ramped up the past few weeks)

D ads are almost entirely 100% healthcare. The only reason I'm not saying 100% is I remember one a while back that was healthcare but also included gun violence.

R ads there are two that are getting the most play. Don't know the exact split but it feels like 2-to-1 with the 2 being Immigration (MS-13, SANCTUARY CITIES) and the 1 being Health Care (which makes me laugh a bit because it's "so socialist it'll give illegal immigrants healthcare" complete with a slo-mo scare clip of the D saying "medicare for all" and WILL DOUBLE YOUR TAXES)

could have sworn i heard a 3rd ad in passing but only the one time, it may have been a PAC, and since i've never heard it again i'm starting to think maybe it was an illusion or i misheard something from another race (ad market here causes a bunch of races to have their ads play here)
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Suprak the Stud
10/30/18 3:34:59 PM
#353:


I mean by that logic red has also supported the plight of immigrants by voting for Clinton, so he's done just as much as Ulti if the only requirement for supporting a cause is "voting".

The argument of "you refuse to give up everything so clearly you are a fake supporter of a cause" is inherently disingenuous by nature though.
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StartTheMachine
10/30/18 3:36:10 PM
#354:


Corrik posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Wow, some unexpected good news. The outgoing (GOP) governor of Idaho just endorsed the states ballot proposition to expand Medicaid:

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/politics/gov-otter-endorses-medicaid-expansion/277-609494610

Most Republican governors are pushing for expanding Medicaid. Just with work requirements.

[citation needed]
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Suprak the Stud
10/30/18 3:38:08 PM
#355:


Hey 538 actually put up a whole article about the slew of Change Research polls that came out yesterday!

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/house-update-heres-why-we-need-polls-in-red-districts-they-might-not-be-so-red/
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Not_an_Owl
10/30/18 3:43:09 PM
#356:


Hey Corrik: I am granting the premise that moving the embassy to Jerusalem before 2016 had bipartisan support. I am asking you why it didn't happen until Trump got in office.
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Corrik
10/30/18 3:49:26 PM
#358:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Hey Corrik: I am granting the premise that moving the embassy to Jerusalem before 2016 had bipartisan support. I am asking you why it didn't happen until Trump got in office.

Because of a loophole that presidents decided to exercise, most likely under the fear of terroristic attacks in reprisal.
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Reg
10/30/18 3:50:53 PM
#359:


xp1337 posted...
D ads are almost entirely 100% healthcare. The only reason I'm not saying 100% is I remember one a while back that was healthcare but also included gun violence.

Anecdotally, basically all of the Republican ads for my district are healthcare, and literally 'death panels' type rhetoric.
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Corrik
10/30/18 3:52:18 PM
#360:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Hey 538 actually put up a whole article about the slew of Change Research polls that came out yesterday!

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/house-update-heres-why-we-need-polls-in-red-districts-they-might-not-be-so-red/

Why is Nate silver so biased? Notice how he doesn't even conceive of the notion that races could be closer in Democratic districts?
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Suprak the Stud
10/30/18 3:53:20 PM
#361:


There was an ad for the Republican for Illinois AG that was basically "hey Rauner is toast you should vote for me so democrats don't have both the AG and the governorship". Rauner had been running a ton of attack ads but stopped a couple weeks ago so I'm thinking they might have just quit on that race entirely.
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Corrik
10/30/18 3:54:19 PM
#362:


StartTheMachine posted...
Corrik posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Wow, some unexpected good news. The outgoing (GOP) governor of Idaho just endorsed the states ballot proposition to expand Medicaid:

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/politics/gov-otter-endorses-medicaid-expansion/277-609494610

Most Republican governors are pushing for expanding Medicaid. Just with work requirements.

[citation needed]

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2018/07/30/red-states-may-be-ready-to-expand-medicaid-in-exchange-for-work

All the state applying for work requirements are basically doing so with Medicaid expansions. We alrdy had this discussion.

There are some exceptions.
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StartTheMachine
10/30/18 3:59:09 PM
#363:


Corrik posted...
StartTheMachine posted...
Corrik posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Wow, some unexpected good news. The outgoing (GOP) governor of Idaho just endorsed the states ballot proposition to expand Medicaid:

https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/politics/gov-otter-endorses-medicaid-expansion/277-609494610

Most Republican governors are pushing for expanding Medicaid. Just with work requirements.

[citation needed]

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/blogs/stateline/2018/07/30/red-states-may-be-ready-to-expand-medicaid-in-exchange-for-work

All the state applying for work requirements are basically doing so with Medicaid expansions. We alrdy had this discussion.

There are some exceptions.

https://www.pewtrusts.org/-/media/post-launch-images/2018/10/medicaidmap1015update.png?w=1290&hash=FD506E3CFEFA671AAADE3C79618323F58D7C96F9

so three states are currently expanding medicaid with work requirements and three are considering it

that sure is "most Republican governors"
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xp1337
10/30/18 4:01:46 PM
#364:


Okay, so there's this story that's been quietly(?) breaking today that just took the most ridiculous turn.

The story: https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/574411

The Special Counsel's Office has referred to the FBI an alleged scheme by a right wing lobbyist and conspiracy theorist to pay women to make false allegations of sexual misconduct against Mueller. The article goes into detail about the scheme and some reporters were buzzing about how they had heard of it and were investigating and came to the same conclusion that it was a hoax.

but then the twist

It's referenced in the Atlantic article but this part was uncovered by NBC when they started digging into it: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/mueller-refers-sex-assault-scheme-targeting-him-fbi-inestigation-n926301

i will let this part speak for itself (Tweet from one of the reporters authoring the NBC story): https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1057351444905558016

Ben Collins on Twitter...
A company called "Surefire Intelligence" has ties to this Mueller smear. Jacob Wohl denied having ties to Surefire. Surefire's official phone number redirects to a voicemail box registered to Jacob's mom.

Jacob gave us comment at first, but went quiet when we told him Surefire Intelligence's phone number redirected to a voicemail account registered to his mom.

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Jakyl25
10/30/18 4:02:52 PM
#365:


All the liberals at hipster coffee shops are sure gonna be whispering about that
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Shadow Dino
10/30/18 4:03:20 PM
#366:


Suprak the Stud posted...
There was an ad for the Republican for Illinois AG that was basically "hey Rauner is toast you should vote for me so democrats don't have both the AG and the governorship". Rauner had been running a ton of attack ads but stopped a couple weeks ago so I'm thinking they might have just quit on that race entirely.


They're going back to the ol Stop Mike Madigan play.
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LapisLazuli
10/30/18 4:10:13 PM
#367:


This thing is amazing.

They saw the Kavanaugh stuff and thought "how can we weaponize this".

Fuckin' Republicans.
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The Mana Sword
10/30/18 4:12:20 PM
#368:


I gotta be honest, I really thought Jacob Wahl was a bot.
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Reg
10/30/18 4:12:37 PM
#369:


LapisLazuli posted...
This thing is amazing.

They saw the Kavanaugh stuff and thought "how can we weaponize this".

Fuckin' Republicans.

Remember Graham's breakdown near the end of that?
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LapisLazuli
10/30/18 4:13:35 PM
#370:


Reg posted...
LapisLazuli posted...
This thing is amazing.

They saw the Kavanaugh stuff and thought "how can we weaponize this".

Fuckin' Republicans.

Remember Graham's breakdown near the end of that?


Forget the end, he basically said they intended to go this way in the middle of the hearing when he got stopped in the hallway.
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Not_an_Owl
10/30/18 4:22:57 PM
#372:


Corrik posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
Hey Corrik: I am granting the premise that moving the embassy to Jerusalem before 2016 had bipartisan support. I am asking you why it didn't happen until Trump got in office.

Because of a loophole that presidents decided to exercise, most likely under the fear of terroristic attacks in reprisal.

So you're saying moving the embassy to Jerusalem upset a lot of people that wouldn't have been mad if the embassy location didn't change?
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Espeon
10/30/18 4:27:41 PM
#373:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
Hey Corrik: I am granting the premise that moving the embassy to Jerusalem before 2016 had bipartisan support. I am asking you why it didn't happen until Trump got in office.

Because of a loophole that presidents decided to exercise, most likely under the fear of terroristic attacks in reprisal.

So you're saying moving the embassy to Jerusalem upset a lot of people that wouldn't have been mad if the embassy location didn't change?


And that opposition to the move might be a BIT more complicated than Libs are just mad that a Republican did what they couldnt (even though they COULD and chose not to)?
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MoogleKupo141
10/30/18 4:50:56 PM
#374:


https://twitter.com/arictoler/status/1057369849293426689?s=21

is jacob wohl the dumbest person
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LordoftheMorons
10/30/18 4:54:20 PM
#375:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
https://twitter.com/arictoler/status/1057369849293426689?s=21

is jacob wohl the dumbest person

I've been hearing that the liberals at hipster coffee shops have been whispering that he's actually the smartest kid in the world
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Jakyl25
10/30/18 5:06:28 PM
#376:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
https://twitter.com/arictoler/status/1057369849293426689?s=21

is jacob wohl the dumbest person


Man, I really thought Charlie Kirk had it in the bag too
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Corrik
10/30/18 5:07:47 PM
#377:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Corrik posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...
Hey Corrik: I am granting the premise that moving the embassy to Jerusalem before 2016 had bipartisan support. I am asking you why it didn't happen until Trump got in office.

Because of a loophole that presidents decided to exercise, most likely under the fear of terroristic attacks in reprisal.

So you're saying moving the embassy to Jerusalem upset a lot of people that wouldn't have been mad if the embassy location didn't change?

The embassy upset Muslims in Palestine? Sure. Hurt just as many if not more to not do it.
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Jakyl25
10/30/18 5:09:27 PM
#378:


Jakyl25 posted...
MoogleKupo141 posted...
https://twitter.com/arictoler/status/1057369849293426689?s=21

is jacob wohl the dumbest person


Man, I really thought Charlie Kirk had it in the bag too


Oh wait, I think we both forgot Don Jr exists
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Jakyl25
10/30/18 5:11:46 PM
#379:


Whitey Bulger found dead in prison

A fitting end
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Suprak the Stud
10/30/18 5:35:34 PM
#380:


Shadow Dino posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
There was an ad for the Republican for Illinois AG that was basically "hey Rauner is toast you should vote for me so democrats don't have both the AG and the governorship". Rauner had been running a ton of attack ads but stopped a couple weeks ago so I'm thinking they might have just quit on that race entirely.


They're going back to the ol Stop Mike Madigan play.


LITERALLY every other ad I've seen is basically "Mike Madigan is scary and coming to take your money." Like, literally even in US House races they're running anti-Mike Madigan ads.
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SupremeZero
10/30/18 7:14:03 PM
#381:


https://twitter.com/JacobAWohl/status/1057257709727244288

Before you ask, yes, that does say 2018.
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Suprak the Stud
10/30/18 7:23:13 PM
#383:


Has this tweet been posted yet?

https://twitter.com/JaneMayerNYer/status/1057371849439502338
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VintageGin
10/30/18 7:29:19 PM
#384:


Apparently the MAGAbomber dude had "UC Berkeley library" in his search history. My wife received an alert about it today because she works at the university.

So that's great.
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LapisLazuli
10/30/18 7:29:19 PM
#385:


lol he never got any traction on this for a second.
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Peace___Frog
10/30/18 7:32:46 PM
#386:


MoogleKupo141 posted...
https://twitter.com/arictoler/status/1057369849293426689?s=21

is jacob wohl the dumbest person

Literally thought that people wouldn't recognize actual models when creating fake profiles.
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lordloki12
10/30/18 7:51:01 PM
#387:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Has this tweet been posted yet?

https://twitter.com/JaneMayerNYer/status/1057371849439502338


Between that and the Christopher Waltz one you really have to wonder how he thought this would hold up to any scrutiny whatsoever.
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Suprak the Stud
10/30/18 7:57:44 PM
#388:


Like this whole thing is so dumb and so poorly thought out that, if I didn't know about Jacob Wohl already, I would actually not immediately dismiss cries of FALSE FLAG.

Because either you are intentionally trying to get caught.

Or you are a monumental idiot of legendary proportions that might wind up in a history book some day for being that much of an idiot.
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ChaosTonyV4
10/30/18 8:27:24 PM
#389:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Like this whole thing is so dumb and so poorly thought out that, if I didn't know about Jacob Wohl already, I would actually not immediately dismiss cries of FALSE FLAG.

Because either you are intentionally trying to get caught.

Or you are a monumental idiot of legendary proportions that might wind up in a history book some day for being that much of an idiot.


Judging by the fact Jacob Wohl himself hinted at Mueller being accused before he was caught, it is 100% the latter.
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xp1337
10/30/18 8:28:38 PM
#390:


lol, like I said when I first posted it, I had been following it earlier in the day when a number of reporters were buzzing and hinting at it before it officially broke and even when it did the topic was on something else and I didn't know if I wanted to interrupt.

but then the bit about the voicemail redirecting to his mom's account came out and i was like "oh boy"

and it has continued down that road
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SupremeZero
10/30/18 9:15:28 PM
#391:


https://twitter.com/rawstory/status/1057381107774173190?s=21
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Jakyl25
10/30/18 11:09:14 PM
#393:


https://twitter.com/repstevestivers/status/1057327397685653510?s=21

Congressman Steve Kings recent comments, actions, and retweets are completely inappropriate. We must stand up against white supremacy and hate in all forms, and I strongly condemn this behavior.


Some might say that this is only being said by a sitting Republican congressman because its politically expedient.

I dont care. Ill take it, and I applaud Congressman Stivers for making a statement few others in his party will.
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LordoftheMorons
10/30/18 11:29:16 PM
#394:


Jakyl25 posted...
Some might say that this is only being said by a sitting Republican congressman because its politically expedient.

I dont care. Ill take it, and I applaud Congressman Stivers for making a statement few others in his party will.

It's definitely because of politics, but yeah. Way better for them to abandon him for the wrong reasons than for them to stick by a mega-racist.
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Inviso
10/30/18 11:39:51 PM
#395:


Did I miss something in the past few days? What exactly did Steve "White people are the only ones who've ever contributed anything to society" King say that has suddenly drawn the ire of people who previously didn't give a shit?
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Suprak the Stud
10/30/18 11:40:50 PM
#396:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/repstevestivers/status/1057327397685653510?s=21

Congressman Steve Kings recent comments, actions, and retweets are completely inappropriate. We must stand up against white supremacy and hate in all forms, and I strongly condemn this behavior.


Some might say that this is only being said by a sitting Republican congressman because its politically expedient.

I dont care. Ill take it, and I applaud Congressman Stivers for making a statement few others in his party will.


Yes, 100%.

It is worth noting that he isn't even in a competitive district. So you can't even do the cynical "oh he's trying to court moderates but doesn't mean it". He's going to win his seat and King is in a (suddenly, possibly) competitive race. And he didn't go soft with a "insensitive" or "troubling" label. He called it white supremacy, pure and simple. I think this is a very good thing and definitely applaud him for doing so as well.
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Suprak the Stud
10/30/18 11:45:41 PM
#397:


Inviso posted...
Did I miss something in the past few days? What exactly did Steve "White people are the only ones who've ever contributed anything to society" King say that has suddenly drawn the ire of people who previously didn't give a shit?


With Steve King it really is a revolving door of hate so it could be any one of a number of things.

He endorsed a literal white supremacist running for mayor of Toronto. He met with Austrian white nationalists. He told those people that diversity doesn't add anything and it causes harm. And, of course, part of it is likely in response to the tragedy in Pennsylvania in general.
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xp1337
10/30/18 11:46:11 PM
#398:


There might be more, but the quote I saw the most was when King was asked about his support for far-right nationalists in Europe, etc. he justified/defended it by saying (from memory, paraphrased), "If they were American, they would be Republicans."
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Jakyl25
10/30/18 11:47:21 PM
#399:


Suprak the Stud posted...
He met with Austrian white nationalists.


This is the one that has the GOP mad at him, because he was like if these guys were American, theyd be Republicans like me!
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Inviso
10/30/18 11:47:40 PM
#400:


xp1337 posted...
There might be more, but the quote I saw the most was when King was asked about his support for far-right nationalists in Europe, etc. he justified/defended it by saying (from memory, paraphrased), "If they were American, they would be Republicans."


Oh, so it's more because he said something honest that happened to make Republicans look bad. Gotcha.
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Jakyl25
10/30/18 11:52:34 PM
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