Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1290

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1 vote BARRIER erected

Ramza uses Throw Stone!
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What even is this match

I love it
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goddamn! only took us 32 matches before finally having a close one

come on ramza, you got this
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LeonhartFour posted...

1 vote BARRIER erected

Ramza uses Throw Stone!

1 vote lead!!!!! stone missed.
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Did cn's updater get one behind on Squall/Hat Kid?
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Janus5k posted...

Did cn's updater get one behind on Squall/Hat Kid?

Yeah, it skipped an update and now it's posting one update behind for some reason.
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Aw yeah another lead change
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I really miss wire to wire matches like this from the start

when was the last time this many lead changes happened constantly and a match been this close in any contest, especially a 1v1?
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NowItsAngeTime posted...

I really miss wire to wire matches like this from the start

when was the last time this many lead changes happened constantly and a match been this close in any contest, especially a 1v1?

We had one in Game of the Decade

Not sure if we got one in 2010?
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NowItsAngeTime posted...

I really miss wire to wire matches like this from the start

when was the last time this many lead changes happened constantly and a match been this close in any contest, especially a 1v1?

it's just sad that trends have died

i propose we send half of gamefaqs users back to school so we can have ASVs again #makeASVgreatagain
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LeonhartFour posted...

Yeah, it skipped an update and now it's posting one update behind for some reason.

I decided to manually trigger an update just to get the Squall match up to date with the other 3 matches.
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Wait until the kiddies get home from their jobs and put their children to bed!
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Leon, what percent would you expect Sephiroth to get on Ryu/Tifa/Luigi/X?

Dont know why the updater is behind, it tries to update every minute.

haloiscoolisbak posted...

I'm happy I took Tails to round 3

Mid 2000s characters are in no man's land. Not old enough to be nostalgic not new enough to be fresh in people's minds

Yes, excellent point.

I guess its like the times people tend to have the strongest memories of are their childhood, and recent events. Along with random big life events in between.

AxemRedRanger posted...

I don't understand why so few people took Tails there.

I'd take Tails > Pac-Man pretty easily and Chief should be even worse now; Halo got like 22% on FFVII last games contest.

That...is a good question. I had to look up who Tails' 4pack was, since I didn't think I had him winning it, and when I looked at the unmarked bracket rather than my own I figured I must've overestimated Nathan for some strange reason.

Lolnope, it's Chief > Tails for Round 2. Which is a pure "characters =/= games" mistake, because Chief is a clear example of a character that's worth nothing despite his games being at least moderately strong.

On the subject of games =/= characters, I want to address something that's been relevant recently. I've already decided that if by some miracle I win the Guru I'll just use that to assure that this changes since I'm assuming that with how infrequently we've gotten contests, the Guru winner this time will be picking a game for GotD, but I want to address this (and start rallying early!) anyway.

All that talk about Ike's strength being almost entirely from Smash? It doesn't seem founded. Fire Emblem has had at least one representative in every Games Contest. And all three of the games in the series that have made a contest, one of which was one of Ike's, have actually won a match. This board seems to have a mental block about Nintendo's second-tier franchises actually having strength of their own instead of being reliant on Smash for their strength. Except I bring this up to point out that one of the vaunted Smash 12...does seem to derive his strength entirely from Smash, if his franchise's record in Games Contests is any indication.

Is it 0-6 over the four contests? 0-4? Try 0-1. And this from a franchise whose main character has been in every Character Battle and has frequently done quite well for himself. I am talking, of course, about Kirby.

Why is there such a disconnect between the characters and the games? We can't even necessarily tell how strong a Kirby game might be, because the only time one's made it in was in the fourway contest and Super Star ran headlong into SM64 (and probably wouldn't have beaten SotN in a 1v1 anyway, though it hopefully would've looked a bit better than it did).

In summary, nominate Kirby's Return to Dream Land for GotD in 2020.
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what
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Not_Wylvane posted...

Ramza's started spamming Scream

Some say he's still Screaming to this day.
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Not_Wylvane posted...

Wait until the kiddies get home from their jobs and put their children to bed!

LOL

After kiddies bedtime vote.

TsunamiXXVIII posted...

AxemRedRanger posted...

I don't understand why so few people took Tails there.

I'd take Tails > Pac-Man pretty easily and Chief should be even worse now; Halo got like 22% on FFVII last games contest.

That...is a good question. I had to look up who Tails' 4pack was, since I didn't think I had him winning it, and when I looked at the unmarked bracket rather than my own I figured I must've overestimated Nathan for some strange reason.

Lolnope, it's Chief > Tails for Round 2. Which is a pure "characters =/= games" mistake, because Chief is a clear example of a character that's worth nothing despite his games being at least moderately strong.

On the subject of games =/= characters, I want to address something that's been relevant recently. I've already decided that if by some miracle I win the Guru I'll just use that to assure that this changes since I'm assuming that with how infrequently we've gotten contests, the Guru winner this time will be picking a game for GotD, but I want to address this (and start rallying early!) anyway.

All that talk about Ike's strength being almost entirely from Smash? It doesn't seem founded. Fire Emblem has had at least one representative in every Games Contest. And all three of the games in the series that have made a contest, one of which was one of Ike's, have actually won a match. This board seems to have a mental block about Nintendo's second-tier franchises actually having strength of their own instead of being reliant on Smash for their strength. Except I bring this up to point out that one of the vaunted Smash 12...does seem to derive his strength entirely from Smash, if his franchise's record in Games Contests is any indication.

Is it 0-6 over the four contests? 0-4? Try 0-1. And this from a franchise whose main character has been in every Character Battle and has frequently done quite well for himself. I am talking, of course, about Kirby.

Why is there such a disconnect between the characters and the games? We can't even necessarily tell how strong a Kirby game might be, because the only time one's made it in was in the fourway contest and Super Star ran headlong into SM64 (and probably wouldn't have beaten SotN in a 1v1 anyway, though it hopefully would've looked a bit better than it did).

In summary, nominate Kirby's Return to Dream Land for GotD in 2020.

Not sure about that.

Kirbys games being weak but Kirby OK makes sense. Yes he gets a lot of strength from Smash, but I think it isnt almost all of it.

Or well, nowadays it probably is, because his franchise isnt relevant. But back in the day I think he couldve been halfway decent without Smash. By now if hed never been in Smash, it would be different.

creativename posted...

Leon, what percent would you expect Sephiroth to get on Ryu/Tifa/Luigi/X?

Dont know why the updater is behind, it tries to update every minute.

Currently, the updater is being supported by a script that accesses the manual poll update URL since the updater hasn't been fully configured to work properly with the 8:00 PM start time. Beginning at 12:00 AM each day, the updater starts to retrieve poll updates on its own, so I have my script set to end at 12:00 AM as the updater starts to work normally after that point in time.

I am currently supporting the updater by triggering updates at every 5 minute interval (8:05, 8:10, 8:15), but I also forgot to make the script include the 5 minute intervals starting from the 8:06 PM update (in case the poll hasn't yet updated). This was fixed, so my script is accessing the poll update URL on the following schedule - 10:00 PM, 10:01 PM, 10:05 PM, 10:06 PM, and so on.
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Lead's at 61 for Ramza, highest so far.
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Well, thankfully Squall now looks like it isnt totally outlandish to think he can beat Zelda.

Why did Hat Kid get such a great Power Hour? Is her game popular?

Or maybe its Squall anti-votes...?

"Names don't matter. What's important is how you live your life."

-Ramza Beoulve
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A Hat in Time is an upper-tier indie game along the ranks of Shovel Knight and Cuphead, but this is still probably more Squall anti-votes than anything.

e: Actually excited to try out AHiT when it hits Switch, supposed to be a really solid 3D platformer that does some clever stuff with the formula.
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LusterSoldier posted...

creativename posted...

Leon, what percent would you expect Sephiroth to get on Ryu/Tifa/Luigi/X?

Dont know why the updater is behind, it tries to update every minute.

Currently, the updater is being supported by a script that accesses the manual poll update URL since the updater hasn't been fully configured to work properly with the 8:00 PM start time. Beginning at 12:00 AM each day, the updater starts to retrieve poll updates on its own, so I have my script set to end at 12:00 AM as the updater starts to work normally after that point in time.

I am currently supporting the updater by triggering updates at every 5 minute interval (8:05, 8:10, 8:15), but I also forgot to make the script include the 5 minute intervals starting from the 8:06 PM update (in case the poll hasn't yet updated). This was fixed, so my script is accessing the poll update URL on the following schedule - 10:00 PM, 10:01 PM, 10:05 PM, 10:06 PM, and so on.

Really? So youre saying my updater doesnt trigger on its own the first four hours?

creativename posted...

Well, thankfully Squall now looks like it isnt totally outlandish to think he can beat Zelda.

Why did Hat Kid get such a great Power Hour? Is her game popular?

Or maybe its Squall anti-votes...?

Hat Kid had a rally on the board I think so that mightve been part of it

Ramza is starting to lock this down...
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creativename posted...

Really? So youre saying my updater doesnt trigger on its own the first four hours?

Correct, the updater does not trigger from 8:00 PM to 12:00 AM. Then it begins tracking the current polls at 12:00 AM. So it is necessary for me to support the updater for the first four hours. The updater is still operating under the assumption of a 12:00 AM start time and was never adjusted for this new 8:00 PM start time (to become 7:00 PM on the night following the November DST change).
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No way in hell Hat Kid beats Ezio. Squall needs to hope that a pretty significant fraction of Hat Kids support is from antivotes.
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Garrus falling away. Dammit
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LordoftheMorons posted...

No way in hell Hat Kid beats Ezio. Squall needs to hope that a pretty significant fraction of Hat Kids support is from antivotes.

Those anti-votes will be following him right to Zelda, though...

Honestly his only hope is to get in Smash.
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I just really like A Hat in Time.
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haloiscoolisbak posted...

Garrus falling away. Dammit

AAjahahahahahaahahahah



he is not photogenic
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Triple-digit lead. It's over for now.
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Reading through this topic... you guys and making bold claims based on the board vote, jeses christ, when do you learn.

Also one thing is believing Square to be weaker and Nintendo to be stronger, but how does one believe Auron would be stronger than him. And what's this about Squall being stronger than Sephiroth (and everyone else) because "Seph sucks now", that's pure speculation (which I don't get).
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LusterSoldier posted...

creativename posted...

Really? So youre saying my updater doesnt trigger on its own the first four hours?

Correct, the updater does not trigger from 8:00 PM to 12:00 AM. Then it begins tracking the current polls at 12:00 AM. So it is necessary for me to support the updater for the first four hours. The updater is still operating under the assumption of a 12:00 AM start time and was never adjusted for this new 8:00 PM start time (to become 7:00 PM on the night following the November DST change).

The fact that you wrote a script to fix a bug in someone else's script is pretty impressive.
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creativename posted...

Well, thankfully Squall now looks like it isnt totally outlandish to think he can beat Zelda.

Why did Hat Kid get such a great Power Hour? Is her game popular?

Or maybe its Squall anti-votes...?

It's probably a combo of those two things. A Hat in Time is fairly popular on the board, or at least I've seen a lot of people talk about it. I'd say it's more Squall getting anti-voted though.

creativename posted...

Leon, what percent would you expect Sephiroth to get on Ryu/Tifa/Luigi/X?

Hmmm...Good question.

I think Seph can 55/45 Ryu, maybe a little closer. It'd be kind of staggering if Tifa could somehow beat Sephiroth. That would be quite an upheaval of the hierarchy. I don't think Seph would really SFF her though.

Whoever would win between Sephiroth, Luigi, and Mega Man X, I think it'd be close. I can't imagine either of them getting more than, like, say 53% on Seph.
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Dumb speculation is fun OP
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It's cool we had a match though!
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Square has a good night vote. Ramza might take this!

FFT also has a terrible day vote: http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/22?matchnum=1642&num=2
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The_Ctes posted...

Reading through this topic... you guys and making bold claims based on the board vote, jeses christ, when do you learn.

Also one thing is believing Square to be weaker and Nintendo to be stronger, but how does one believe Auron would be stronger than him. And what's this about Squall being stronger than Sephiroth (and everyone else) because "Seph sucks now", that's pure speculation (which I don't get).

NEVAH

We will never learn!! Were stubborn like that.

Though really, we had reasons to doubt Squall anyway. So it wouldnt take much to overreact to anything that seems to confirm a suspicion.

Who said Squall would be stronger than Sephiroth? That seems unlikely. Sephy would be particularly vulnerable to rallies, but Squall has to be one of the last guys that could beat Seph with a rally.

LordoftheMorons posted...

Squall needs to hope that a pretty significant fraction of Hat Kids support is from antivotes.

well like I said we've seen mainstream characters end up really low in the X-Stats and below people they'd presumably be able to beat

Pikachu is predicted to go 50/50 with Kyo Kusanagi in 2002. Lara Croft is projected to lose to Laharl in 2004.

Sometimes mainstream characters who are irrelevant at the time (like Pikachu and Lara were) might just get beat down harder when they face a mainstream character who actually is relevant at the time.
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Not_Wylvane posted...

LordoftheMorons posted...

No way in hell Hat Kid beats Ezio. Squall needs to hope that a pretty significant fraction of Hat Kids support is from antivotes.

Those anti-votes will be following him right to Zelda, though...

Honestly his only hope is to get in Smash.

Yeah, but its the same number of antivotes either way so he does better on a stronger opponent as his antivote fraction rises (if we hold his overall performance constant).
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Squall is much more likely to get a big KH3 trailer than to get announced in Smash

but hey I'd take him as a Cloud Echo who can spam Limits endlessly
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Oh sure, but claims based on the board vote should be a thing of the past at this point. Feels like people don't check the matches again past that and assumes they stayed that way.

It was charmander who claimed a lot of people viewed Squall as the strongest in the main bracket.
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Rally thread is up on r/masseffect. And Garrus is cutting. Coincidence?

https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/9rqte9/garrus_needs_help_in_a_poll_on_best_video_game/?st=jnqtqhu9&sh=98e5493c
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but...more evil... Well... Lucavi made them to rally in this world
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Imagine needing a rally to beat freaking Ramza Beoulve.

Also I'm so sorry, Leon. Now you know how I've felt with Sephiroth.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Also I'm so sorry, Leon. Now you know how I've felt with Sephiroth.

Sorry for what?
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if these numbers hold i will have got the last 12 right passing my best run so far of 11. im not sure how im doing so well when i only even think about the contests when they start being promoted site wide.
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So what would you guys say are the odds of Squall hitting 75% and maintaining that level until the end of the poll? He's still inching closer to it now, but very slowly, so I wonder if he won't fall off in the final hours.
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