Board 8 > Who should get paid MORE, a teacher or a police officer?

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Obellisk posted...

you know that they don't get paid in the summer right

Maybe in your country is it third world?

ShadowYosuke posted...

Teachers. They require more education.

Both should be paid better, though. Certainly better than construction workers. Can't wait until we replace them with robots.

soon
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Wreath posted...

Obellisk posted...

you know that they don't get paid in the summer right

Maybe in your country is it third world?

America is certainly getting there
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ShadowYosuke posted...

Both should be paid better, though. Certainly better than construction workers. Can't wait until we replace them with robots.

At the very least I can fully agree with this
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Wreath posted...

Also this could be my experience but every teacher in my kids school is fat as a whale.

Wreath posted...

Regression to insult is admitting ignorance

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Obellisk posted...

Wreath posted...

Obellisk posted...

you know that they don't get paid in the summer right

Maybe in your country is it third world?

America is certainly getting there

Oh ya. Have fun with trump repeating his championship. MVP.

Obellisk posted...

ShadowYosuke posted...

Teachers. They require more education.

Both should be paid better, though. Certainly better than construction workers. Can't wait until we replace them with robots.

soon

Cause I can't have a teacher show my kid how to draw a few numbers while she takes a brea and watches talk shows on her desk computer

I guarantee teachers will be gone before awhile enforcement. We alllll know it

Lopen posted...

ShadowYosuke posted...

Both should be paid better, though. Certainly better than construction workers. Can't wait until we replace them with robots.

At the very least I can fully agree with this

I know its cushy doing a desk job when fat but try doing physical labor. Yall have nooo idea.
The ones making insults are sitting behind the screen plugging in the sleep apnea machines. Good luck

yeah I agree. fat and physical labor dont really mix.
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Obellisk posted...

yeah I agree. fat and physical labor dont really mix.

So you guys do you and we can do us.

Still doesn't explain the luxuries of being a "teacher"

Wreath posted...

I guarantee teachers will be gone before awhile enforcement. We alllll know it

Wow. I thought you might be lying because you didn't know how to spell "foreman", but this take makes it clear you're not even an adult.

Peace, kid!
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NFUN posted...

this is an impressively terrible account

y'all should know better

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Wreath posted...

The ones making insults are sitting behind the screen plugging in the sleep apnea machines.

why am i not surprised you're having sleeping troubles
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Shaduln posted...

Also how are we able to consider a school a safe work environment now?

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Silly topic. Even sillier replies.

Both should be paid equally well because both directly provide for the continued functionality of society. Like, what did a hedge fund manager ever do? Oh, but they work with money, so we have to pay them well so they're less likely to try to steal it.

And I can't speak for elementary teachers, but I quit teaching high school because I couldn't handle the workload. At the time, I was still living with my parents, who cooked and did laundry and stuff for me, so I literally only had to focus on teaching...and i couldn't keep up. It was still cutting into my sleep schedule after excising everything else. I dunno how other people do it, but between lesson plans, grading papers, communicating with students and parents, and doing all the other things that a "good" teacher is supposed to do, I was pulling 100+ hours a week. When I realized my choices were to be a shitty teacher or simply not be a teacher. I decided that nobody deserves a shitty teacher.
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that story is either blatanantly false or you are incredibly inefficient.
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I get paid really well and I'm not saying that teachers as a rule should be paid more than police officers I'm just highlighting the common misconceptions about teaching hours and holidays.

For example, I finished work at the end of July, started back at work on August 22nd, I have 1 week off between then and 28th January. Please tell me more about these holidays I appear to be missing.
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As someone who works full time maintenance year round in a school, basically everything Wreath (MWC?) is saying is dead wrong. Teachers get paid less per year than me, and I have almost no skills nor degree. Teachers are required to constantly reup on trainings/classifications/certifications etc. without being compensated for it. Teaching a kindergarten student means you have to be capable of knowing signs of abuse, allergy, infection, and a billion other things. Standards and trainings switch every year. Even if teachers were paid twice what I make, and I had all the credentials to jump in, I would still not choose to do their job.

Being a workhorse is hard physical labor, but physical labor (spoilers for life) is literally not that hard because the human body can do so much more than what federal law will even allow your employer to ask of you.
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where did the wreath guy come from
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Depends. Cops put their lives on the line sometimes, that should be compensated. But not always.

Both are underpaid. I was talking to a guy fresh out of the military who was looking to get into law enforcement. He could go to Monroe, MI and start at around 50k a year, where the worst call he's going to get is probably domestic violence. Not very life-threatening.

Or he could go to Detroit and make 30k and get shot at by gangs for a living.
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I'm a teacher

Cops should be paid more imo
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HotDogButts posted...

that story is either blatanantly false or you are incredibly inefficient.

Idk about 100+ hours a week but teachers quitting due to workload is really not uncommon. The unfair and draconian demands put on teachers in the UK is one of the reasons I left.

I know a lot of people who have left the profession because of that. Holidays are obviously great but not when you're killing yourself for the other 10 months.
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HanOfTheNekos posted...

Wreath posted...

I guarantee teachers will be gone before awhile enforcement. We alllll know it

Wow. I thought you might be lying because you didn't know how to spell "foreman", but this take makes it clear you're not even an adult.

Peace, kid!

Why take it seriously? It's like a week-old account. He scattergun trolled random topics (the Adventure Time one, the nominations topic, etc) before settling on this one. There's a clear agenda here. You're acting like you can guess his age or something but he's just - quite clearly - a directionless troll who has settled on this anti-teacher thing for this particular topic because it'll antagonise the most people.
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Maybe I'll make a post stating that I'm done taking it seriously.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Why not both?

Literally all jobs that aren't upper management/CEO positions should be paid more in this country.
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Wreath posted...

2.5 months paid vacation

man that must be nice what school do you work at I wanna switch
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Obellisk posted...

And teachers buy most of their supplies out of pocket.

police officers by donuts for the break room.

also police officers have to buy all their own equipment like batons, etc.
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XIII_rocks posted...

Idk about 100+ hours a week but teachers quitting due to workload is really not uncommon. The unfair and draconian demands put on teachers in the UK is one of the reasons I left.

I know a lot of people who have left the profession because of that. Holidays are obviously great but not when you're killing yourself for the other 10 months.

Also this.

The casino I work with has at least 10 people who quit being teachers because they make more money for less hours as a dealer. Something is incredibly wrong with how we pay teachers.
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To clarify I meant relatively more safe than being a police officer, which it is unless the Officer is strictly a desk worker. Obviously with shootings and stuff no job is completely safe as it were.
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As far as safety goes, that's obviously not even close duh
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A teacher of police officers should be paid the most. Case closed.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

where did the wreath guy come from

I've seen similar rhetoric from sephg and timjab so that's where my money from all these paid vacations I get is riding
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What is the average salary of a teacher in the US, because here in Ontario, full-time starts at around 40k, but essentially doubles after 10 years or so, and the pension is one of the best around. Canadian values, of course.

Money isn't the reason I wanted to become a teacher (still in teachers college), but I definitely won't be in poverty when I get to that point, other than because of my student loans.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Obellisk posted...

And teachers buy most of their supplies out of pocket.

police officers by donuts for the break room.

also police officers have to buy all their own equipment like batons, etc.

is this for reals? seriously asking.
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davidponte posted...

What is the average salary of a teacher in the US, because here in Ontario, full-time starts at around 40k, but essentially doubles after 10 years or so, and the pension is one of the best around. Canadian values, of course.

Money isn't the reason I wanted to become a teacher (still in teachers college), but I definitely won't be in poverty when I get to that point, other than because of my student loans.

Depends on the area. Suburbs likely start you around 40k, but rural areas will be mayyyybe 30k. Private schools pay pretty poorly too.

And after 10 years, you're looking at around a 10k increase. Maybe a little more, depending on pay scale.

Now, these numbers vary wildly state-to-state. Places like Oklahoma have been vastly underpaid and strike as a result. Virginia, especially northern Virginia, pays a lot better than other states.
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Obellisk posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

Obellisk posted...

And teachers buy most of their supplies out of pocket.

police officers by donuts for the break room.

also police officers have to buy all their own equipment like batons, etc.

is this for reals? seriously asking.

If it is, it varies on department. The departments I've audited provide all the equipment except for maybe their dress uniforms.
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Shaduln posted...

Obellisk posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

Obellisk posted...

And teachers buy most of their supplies out of pocket.

police officers by donuts for the break room.

also police officers have to buy all their own equipment like batons, etc.

is this for reals? seriously asking.

If it is, it varies on department. The departments I've audited provide all the equipment except for maybe their dress uniforms.

its like starting at a new company as an administrative assistant and being told where you can buy the computer you'll need to perform the tasks given to you.
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My girlfriend is a special education teacher working at one of the lowest paying districts in Ohio. She has had shoulder issues she is trying to recover from, wears a sling, and her principal who conspired to get her fired last year (with evidence from e-mails they left around to try and get someone they knew her job) purposefully forced her to watch undiagnosed children without IEPs and she told one he can't have a doughnut before he finishes the rest of his breakfast and he proceeded to rip off her sling and attack her hurt shoulder, injuring her further. The principal blamed her for it because she thinks she should have just given the kid a doughnut in the middle of being assaulted and refused to follow Ohio union protocol and inform the police, parent, and superintendent she was attacked by this student. They have told her after the fact that the student can be violent.

She is paid less almost $30k a year for this shit. The only saving grace is if she sticks it out this last year, she gets $17k off her student loans because of working in low income schools for five years.

Regardless, she is getting the union involved and considering legal action.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

My girlfriend is a special education teacher working at one of the lowest paying districts in Ohio. She has had shoulder issues she is trying to recover from, wears a sling, and her principal who conspired to get her fired last year (with evidence from e-mails they left around to try and get someone they knew her job) purposefully forced her to watch undiagnosed children without IEPs and she told one he can't have a doughnut before he finishes the rest of his breakfast and he proceeded to rip off her sling and attack her hurt shoulder, injuring her further. The principal blamed her for it because she thinks she should have just given the kid a doughnut in the middle of being assaulted and refused to follow Ohio union protocol and inform the police, parent, and superintendent she was attacked by this student. They have told her after the fact that the student can be violent.

She is paid less almost $30k a year for this shit. The only saving grace is if she sticks it out this last year, she gets $17k off her student loans because of working in low income schools for five years.

Regardless, she is getting the union involved and considering legal action.

that's awful.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

My girlfriend is a special education teacher working at one of the lowest paying districts in Ohio. She has had shoulder issues she is trying to recover from, wears a sling, and her principal who conspired to get her fired last year (with evidence from e-mails they left around to try and get someone they knew her job) purposefully forced her to watch undiagnosed children without IEPs and she told one he can't have a doughnut before he finishes the rest of his breakfast and he proceeded to rip off her sling and attack her hurt shoulder, injuring her further. The principal blamed her for it because she thinks she should have just given the kid a doughnut in the middle of being assaulted and refused to follow Ohio union protocol and inform the police, parent, and superintendent she was attacked by this student. They have told her after the fact that the student can be violent.

She is paid less almost $30k a year for this shit. The only saving grace is if she sticks it out this last year, she gets $17k off her student loans because of working in low income schools for five years.

Regardless, she is getting the union involved and considering legal action.

... lockland?
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Nope. Steubenville. You know, the district famous for the rapes?
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Yeah, I know people from Steubenville.
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I'm sure they have glowing things to say about it.

What district do you teach in anyway Han? I didn't know you were in Ohio.
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I teach in the Cincinnati catholic archdiocese.
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Also, I'm fairly sure once you get up there in a police union you probably get more vacation time than a teacher, and it's paid versus summer break.
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