Board 8 > Scarlet Ranks User-Created Superhero Teams

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If he had gone for Mera what would have happened
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Sad to see the higher pay villains go, but you're totally right in that write up. I think my lack of comic knowledge really hurt me on that one. Theres probably a few anti heroes I could've found to make it less villainous. I also love you're conspiracy idea. I think that would've been great.

Also really happy Heroes Out of Time is my last team left. When making my teams I thought for sure this would be the second worst team, but upon reading your write ups I gradually realized how much the team could actually work and I'm really looking forward to the write up.
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Nature's Wrath started out as a plant-based team, but then I thought it would be more interesting to expand it into other elements such as fire and ice as well. In retrospect, I think I made the right call there.
Also, am I the first person to have all of their teams eliminated?

GavsEvans123 posted...

Also, am I the first person to have all of their teams eliminated?

No, that was Gravy.
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That's correct.
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Not sure if I will get to write-ups on Labor Day.
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Well at least they will resume after.
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They will resume soon!
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#27 - God Squad 3.0 Created by: Murphiroth

Loki
Ares (Marvel)
Snowbird
Sersi
Orion
Big Barda
Wonder Woman
Black Adam

Despite the seemingly overpowered or overly similar nature of the characters here, there's actually a lot of variety to play with in this group. No one really comes from the same pantheon of mythology in this group, and that alone is enough to create a significant amount of interplay among the characters. Even Orion and Barda can play as different from one another, given Barda spent more time on New Genesis than Orion. I like the overall diversity of this cast and I think it would play well that there's no overly obvious mismatch in power level. A team member here could end up at odds with the group, and it would provide new avenues for storytelling without tearing the group asunder.

The issue in the end, however, is the limit in the types of threats this group can face. This title would be about gods fighting gods with other gods caught in the crossfire. There's not a lot of opportunity for a more intimate story in and amongst these characters. I can think of a few ways to do it, but even those feel like sweeping, grand epics. But we're in the realm of "I really like these concepts", so this is a minor concern. I would definitely read this title. The question of leadership would be a consistent issue in this group - and it should be. I would love to see certain characters interplay. Sersi and Wonder Woman. Ares and Orion. Black Adam and Loki. Those relationships alone could be tremendous. It's great that you didn't go with the obvious choice of Thor here; it opens up a lot more in terms of potential storytelling without him. Overall, an extremely good team with a solid theme.

Membership Drive: I would have liked to see a more "out there" god choice. Zauriel would have been a great rep for Christianity, and throwing in a Christian dynamic could really provide some unique storytelling. Christianity coming in and bullying the other mythologies would be really, really wicked. I also wish there was a more obscure alien deity in here. I would probably cut Barda, personally, and throw in someone like Sena the Wanderer from Larfleeze's comic. The more alien feeling to the character would definitely allow creative liberties like new pantheons to emerge in the series.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

No one really comes from the same pantheon of mythology in this group

I found this part of the write-up fairly cool, and it gave me a decent question. If you could build a pantheon using one god from every mythology without repeating, could you do it?
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Honestly I kind of forget Zauriel exists but he'd be great. And I'm so out of the comics loop I don't know who Sena is.

My initial concept was just the crossover version of the God Squad, then I threw in Loki and Ares since Thor and Herc already were in the group previously, left Sersi and Snowbird in from previous versions, and then went to the DC side. Feel like there would be a ton of interesting character interactions from the crossover, like WW interacting with an Ares that isn't evil and is just kind of a dickish warrior bro.

Kind of thought they'd drop earlier since as you said you can't really do smaller intimate stories with them but I've always liked the idea of the God Squad as the team of Gods that only gets together to handle god related stuff and thus is rarely needed.
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#26 - Team Evil Science v2 Created by: Anagram

Lex Luthor
Doctor Sivana
Doctor Doom
Braniac
Doctor Octopus
Reed Richards who's been told by psychohistory that this is the only way to prevent the future destruction of humanity and also he believes everyone should obey laws even when they're unjust because he's being written so horribly, also maybe he made a robotic clone of Thor

This is a solid concept, and the unknowing inclusion of Ragnarok (a clone of Thor), gives this team just the boost it needs in order to be the Tick team from earlier on this list with more backstabbery and conniving. It has a certain Game of Thrones level of skulduggery involved inherently in the potential plot of a series, and I think with all of the brains at play, you can expect a wide array of conspiracies and plans to backfire or succeed in unexpected ways. Ultimately, Reed Richards ends up as the villain of this team. He's going to be so single-minded in his pursuit that others will begin to question his motives and begin to develop their own moral misgivings about his tactics. And when you have classic villains disagreeing with the ethical concerns of a hero, you've succeeded in turning a character on its head. Reed Richards has always been sort of a terrible person, and this is a great way to reinforce that.

Membership Drive: What I don't like is that there's no female character here. A Veronica Cale-type character would go a long way to making this title better. I'd also throw Moonstone in because, while she's not a scientist, she's a psychologist and also a manipulative bitch with an amazing personality. She'd fit in wonderfully with this group. And a little estrogen would go a long way in terms of livening up this group. I like that Ragnarok is this Plutonium Man that allows Reed to lord over the other members of the group. Overall, a solid, solid team that needed to be built outward just a bit.
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Not sure how I feel about that team. At a glance from a pleb like me it seems like a lot of redundancy in the personality types. Personally I'm not sure what makes Doom trying to undermine Octopus as super different than Luthor trying to undermine Sivana. I can't fully speak to Game of Thrones, but something like... Tactics Ogre or Final Fantasy Tactics or whatever is interesting not just because everyone's trying to dick each other over, but because there are fundamentally different styles in doing so and that's interesting

But that's I will say likely due to a lack of intimate familiarity with most of the characters. I would be interested in hearing more about what each character uniquely contributes to the dynamic if you don't mind talking about that team a bit more.
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I will definitely expand for you, Lopen. Not today though (probably) because I got a huge shipment of posters in and a guy coming in with a collectoin of Pops to sell. So yeah, busy day!
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I seem to notice that my last team wasn't eliminated yet
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I had no idea that Robothor had a name, but I was going for evil scientists cackling as they betray each other, so it works out well.
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Lopen posted...

Not sure how I feel about that team. At a glance from a pleb like me it seems like a lot of redundancy in the personality types. Personally I'm not sure what makes Doom trying to undermine Octopus as super different than Luthor trying to undermine Sivana. I can't fully speak to Game of Thrones, but something like... Tactics Ogre or Final Fantasy Tactics or whatever is interesting not just because everyone's trying to dick each other over, but because there are fundamentally different styles in doing so and that's interesting

But that's I will say likely due to a lack of intimate familiarity with most of the characters. I would be interested in hearing more about what each character uniquely contributes to the dynamic if you don't mind talking about that team a bit more.

This team is entirely about Reed Richards. The Tick isn't transformative or dynamic in the way that Reed Richards can be for this group. Suddenly, there's a more callous, self-obsessed narcissist in the group than any of the its villainous pieces, and therefore you can root for the bad guys. They start to become good guys. They'll certainly be flawed, but they can serve as the voices of morality fighting against Reed Richards insatiable need to be right and to know more. The perils of becoming Reed Richards certainly exist in the other characters, but when you juxtapose villains with a natural proclivity to disagree with Reed, you inherently make them good guys. It's like Bobby Heenan and Hulk Hogan. When Hulk Hogan turns heel, Bobby organically begins to sound the klaxon of WCW, repping the faces in the situations where it really counts. And that matters.
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Teams Remaining:

DeathChicken - 1
Eddv - 3
Girugamesh - 1
IHateThisCPU - 2
Inviso - 1
Johnbobb - 1
JONA - 1
Lopen - 2
Mega Mana - 3
Murphiroth - 3
Pirate Harris - 1
Snake - 3
Tangy - 1
Wickle - 2
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#25 - Robin Force Created by: Inviso

Robin I - Dick Grayson
Robin II - Jason Todd
Robin III - Tim Drake
Robin IV - Stephanie Brown
Robin V - Damien Wayne

http://comicsalliance.com/files/2015/11/robins1.jpg?w=980&q=75

This is a simple, excellent team. The history between these characters is established but never really dwelt upon, so you have a lot of latitude for storytelling. Especially in the world of DC Rebirth, where you can really take an active hand in shaping the chemistry between each character. And I can't be a bigger fan of natural chemistry between characters than this. Every character has a different dynamic, a different personality, and, like the Earth Green Lanterns, fights with a different style. There's grace in the fighting style of Nightwing. Jason is a brutal brawler. Tim is a clinician, tactically sound and aware of his surroundings. Stephanie is the run-in-guns-blazing charismatic fighter, the devil-may-care Errol Flynn type. Damian is the psychotic, the murderer, the unbridled fury.

The stories are built-in; there's a League of Assassins connection for virtually everyone here, so a global romp in pursuit of Ra's and the boys is exactly the sort of overarching plot that would work well with this group. Occasionally, the dynamic of Joker or Black Mask will bring out certain aspects of characters that allow the others to play off of their opposites at the lowest point.

I have real vision for this team, and that makes it deserving of this high spot. There are only two things that drag it down. One, it's almost but not quite a real team. So a couple points drop for originality. Two, you don't have all of the Robins. Shame!

Membership Drive: Of course, the ORIGINAL Robin, Dick Grayson of Earth-2 is suspiciously missing from this list, as are the Robins from I Am Robin. Carrie Kelly is nowhere to be seen, and a ghost of other elseworld characters. Just shameful, really. Robin Force? More like Robin Farce.
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Oh dammit. I shouldve done a team of all the green lanterns.

ETA: Human Green Lanterns, so as not to be confused with the general Green Lantern Corps. I think?
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#24 - Raven and the Spooky boys Created by: Girugamesh

Raven
Ghost Rider
Moon Knight
The Shade
Etrigan the Demon
Klarion the Witch Boy

I wouldn't say I have a vision for this team so much as a flavor. But it's a great, unique flavor. It has hints of darkness, an edge of uncontrollable evil lurking in every character. Raven is always a knife's edge away from succumbing to darkness. Moon Knight is a split personality, a wild card at any moment. Ghost Rider is empowered by the forces of Hell essentially. The Shade can and has become an unbridled murderous force for evil. Etrigan and Jason Blood are the cooler version of the Hulk, and that moral quandary, that chess game between the two opposing minds, always threatens to consume one or both. And Klarion, of course, is a Mr. Mxyzptlk - a seemingly innocuous being that hides a shark-like killer attitude beneath.

So I immediately see the potential for internal conflict and the thematic flavor for this title. It's darkness seeping in at the edges. A little bit of an undercurrent of madness threatening to engulf the world. And I'm always a sucker for magic teams since they are so woefully underutilized in comics these days. I really feel like this is a great team, but I take minor umbrage with Raven over Enchantress in this group. Raven is a children's character playing in an adult's world with this gang. She's a little too simplistic and soapy for the rest of these characters. There would be a certain economy of dialogue necessary to give her fans the title they can wrap their heads around. Peter Milligan or Mike Carey would be forced to dumb it down a little with this title. But the group itself would sell well.

Membership Drive: Aside from the aforementioned replacement of Raven with Enchantress, I kind of like the idea of Hellboy in this group. Another character that has always wrestled with his explosive, volcanic potential lurking behind the human-like behavior and attitude he fronts, I could really see him jibing with this team and also providing a lot of the source material for their various adventures. The archaic and the arcane really are best presented in Hellboy, and these characters would gel with that sort of storytelling immaculately.
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Espeon posted...

Oh dammit. I shouldve done a team of all the green lanterns.

ETA: Human Green Lanterns, so as not to be confused with the general Green Lantern Corps. I think?

John Stewart would have killed your team's ranking.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

This team is entirely about Reed Richards. The Tick isn't transformative or dynamic in the way that Reed Richards can be for this group. Suddenly, there's a more callous, self-obsessed narcissist in the group than any of the its villainous pieces, and therefore you can root for the bad guys. They start to become good guys. They'll certainly be flawed, but they can serve as the voices of morality fighting against Reed Richards insatiable need to be right and to know more. The perils of becoming Reed Richards certainly exist in the other characters, but when you juxtapose villains with a natural proclivity to disagree with Reed, you inherently make them good guys. It's like Bobby Heenan and Hulk Hogan. When Hulk Hogan turns heel, Bobby organically begins to sound the klaxon of WCW, repping the faces in the situations where it really counts. And that matters.

Yeah I wasn't trying to argue Tick team is better or anything I just wanted it as an excuse to explore the personalities of the "evil" scientists (even though you said they're the good guys in this one) since yeah as said this pleb mind feels like, to follow your analogy, this is basically just a Hogan with 5 flavors of Bobby Heenan that are all trying to backstab each other. I mean I guess that's not necessarily, objectively speaking, a problem, but I just wanted to know if I was offbase there or not.
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I would read Raven and the spooky boys. For sure.sure
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Lopen posted...

Yeah I wasn't trying to argue Tick team is better or anything I just wanted it as an excuse to explore the personalities of the "evil" scientists (even though you said they're the good guys in this one) since yeah as said this pleb mind feels like, to follow your analogy, this is basically just a Hogan with 5 flavors of Bobby Heenan that are all trying to backstab each other. I mean I guess that's not necessarily, objectively speaking, a problem, but I just wanted to know if I was offbase there or not.

But they would all wrestle with contradictory morality in different ways. Some of them are more unscrupulous than others, some of them started in science to achieve something and lost their way at some point. It's an opportunity to redeem these characters and there's way more material in that than the simple backstabbery in the other team. There's the opportunity for this to be the catalyst for change.

And the fact that they become the good guys on the team is a huge, huge, HUGE reason why this team is better. That's originality, pure and simple.
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Again I'm not trying to argue rankings-- the fact that I had a similar team is entirely coincidental. Just legitimately wanted to know about the characters there.
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I know.

It's not really about the characters in this team. It's about what I can do with the characters. Reed Richards is a piece of shit with a hugely complex backstory. The villains don't matter here that much. What matters is the catalyst for the group forming. Think of it this way. The Suicide Squad succeeds or fails based primarily on how Amanda Waller is portrayed. A good Suicide Squad paints a deep, complex portrait of Waller. A bad Suicide Squad lets her serve as a glorified parole board. I can put together the best possible roster of heroes and villains for the Squad, but if the lynchpin to the team - Waller - isn't operating properly, the team falls apart.
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Eddv posted...

I would read Raven and the spooky boys. For sure.sure

I forgot to mention that I like the name simply because it reminds me of Crash and the Boys from Scott Pilgrim.
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Okay.

So my take on the characters themselves wasn't completely off base but because the story is mostly about Reed Richards you think that it works almost to an advantage in terms of the story being told as the focus isn't meant to be on the other characters, as in this story they basically only serve as various lenses to show just how far off the beaten path Hollywood Richards has truly gone.

That's fair. I didn't really absorb that being quite so priority from the initial write-up but I get the appeal to you a bit better now.
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The Looking Glass (...For lack of a better name. ._.') IHATETHISCPU

Scarlet Spider (Kaine, as much as I miss Ben)
Moon Knight
Stained Glass Scarlet
Black Maria
Black Alice
Layla Miller
Multiple Man
Huntress (Prefer Helena Bertinelli... Pre-Flashpoint? Whatever Flashpoint is/was?)
Nightwing

This team is awesome. There's some real variety here. Powers are all over the place, personalities are all over the place, but somehow this all really gels together as a sort of neo-noir pulp mysteryman group. The pieces of X-Factor and the Birds of Prey really gel together, and the potential of this membership to turn into a mini-Justice League is great. There are some heavy hitters in the group, but they don't overshadow the other members because Nightwing and Huntress aren't particularly super-powered. Nightwing is a natural leader, but stars like Black Alice and Layla would have ample opportunity to shine thanks to their abilities.

This is another team where I don't have vision, but I LOVE the flavor. I see night-time rooftops and alleyways. I see the macabre and the bizarre. I really see moonlight. But I also have some vision for this group - the title makes me think of counter-Earths. The Crime Syndicates. The Marvel Zombies. I would love to create a merged Earth version of DC and Marvel that caters to that opposing force, the doppelganger, the enemy unknown. This is the perfect group to work as detectives, unite together as they all trace different threads to the same central rope. Building such a group on detective characters or detective-like characters makes this feel conspiratorial. It preys on the fear of an organized opposite, and that's perfect for this group.

My only issue is that the membership is just a little too large for the concept. I think it's a little unwieldy for the tone the book seems to strike.

Through the Looking Glass is definitely one of the great teams on this list, and I almost regret ranking it as low as I am, but there's just so much greatness ahead of this.
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Lopen posted...

Okay.

So my take on the characters themselves wasn't completely off base but because the story is mostly about Reed Richards you think that it works almost to an advantage in terms of the story being told as the focus isn't meant to be on the other characters, as in this story they basically only serve as various lenses to show just how far off the beaten path Hollywood Richards has truly gone.

That's fair. I didn't really absorb that being quite so priority from the initial write-up but I get the appeal to you a bit better now.

Well, Reed is the catalyst for change in the other characters. I would love to explore those characters, and Reed is the perfect way to do it. It's like, Sting was boring. He needed Hogan in order to transform.
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Mmm okay. So even if we have 5 Heenan types going in they may evolve into 5 much more different characters due to the varying ways in how they react to Richards causing them to introspect differently. We could have Crow Sting, Red Sting, Joker Sting, A Man Called Sting, and... uh... I'm running out of Stings.

You've definitely crossed over into selling me on the potential for the title there in any case.
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It's even more than that because what it takes to convince Doom to flip sides morally is different than what it takes to flip Luthor morally. And even when they're on the same side, they aren't going to share the same position. "Reed is wrong... but that doesn't mean you're right."
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I'm actually really happy Gorgeous has made it this far
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I was surprised Raven and the Spooky Boys made it so far, I can be proud of #24.
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No write-ups today
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#22 - Gorgeous Created by: Johnbobb

Swamp Thing
Lottie Person (Snotgirl)
Zeitgeist
Toad
Dead Girl
Maggott
Arseface

Anyone who throws a Peter Milligan X-character at me is going to do well. Anyone who throws TWO Peter Milligan X-characters at me is going to be in contention for the top 25.

What I like about the concept of Gorgeous is that it takes the concept of X-Men and actually gives it a fresh coat of paint. With the vast majority of this team, you look at the side of mutants that writers refuse to present - the ugly, less-charming mundane day-to-day mutants. But the thing is, these are the mutants that matter the most. Jean Greys - mutants who have been given every advantage in life from looks to powers to positions in society that allow them to succeed - are always the poster children for the franchise. But these mutants fritter away their potential and really do nothing to help enfranchise the less desirable mutants in the world. You look at a guy like Toad, with abilities and appearance combining into an unappealing final product, and you see that there is more to mutant hate than the fear of power. There's a dislike of difference, a disgust in the simple visual of many mutants. And I look that Gorgeous could serve a real-life purpose, serving as an example of how those who are victimized or bullied can rise above that sort of hate and become something stronger. That we as society are distancing ourselves from a community every time we make a snap judgment.

What I don't like about this team is that it's half mutants and half other things. But the visual I get, the message I get, trumps all of that. Still, it would to have a

Membership Drive: don't you think? First and foremost, I would ditch Maggott. We need to cut mutants if this isn't a purely mutant team, and Maggott is easily the one with the least narrative value. If We're going in the opposite way, however, we need to find MORE mutants. I'd rather have an X-team than try to rationalize why Swamp Thing, a being that for decades wasn't even a human, would experience any of the same obstacles as the rest of the team psychologically or emotionally. I actually like Arseface in the group, and I might still even include him in the group even if it goes purely mutant. Characters like Wolf Cub might fit in well with a mutant-version of this group, and the tighter you get on that theme, the better you're serving a franchise that's pretty lost, wandering far away from its original goals. Beak and his family would fit in well with this group and round out a membership sans Snotgirl and Swamp Thing, making this an X-Title with something to say, something dirtier and less sexy than your standard X-comic. But also something far more real.
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Glad you like it!

Surprised you didn't comment on Lottie (a character who for the most part didn't fit in, aside from just being particularly "icky" due to excessive allergies but whose otherwise not a bizarre mutant or creature)
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I didn't comment on Arseface for the same reason.
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#21 - Legion Created by: Death Chicken

Jamie Madrox
Kang
Clayface
Jackal
Lobo
Barry Allen
The Swarm
Loki
Swamp Thing
Dr. Manhattan

This is a brilliant concept and a virtually brilliant execution. One of my favorite aspects of comics is exploring duality or multiplicity in characters. How the nature of superheroics is fractious at best. How those who take on the role of a hero or villain are oftentimes wrought with mental or emotional anguish that makes them a terrible person but an excellent hero. That morality is gray too often. This team accomplishes that; the use of a couple villains who could easily turn heroes only lends to the entire concept. What captures the eye of Barry Allen might be meaningless to Swamp Thing and Doctor Manhattan. And what would be considered a successful completion of goals to someone who measures life in nanoseconds or someone who measures their value in quarks and muons? Or someone that lives across the entire timestream and knows almost any outcome?

There are so many directions this title could go, but it always will at least spend part of the time looking inwards. Looking at the toll being different - being better - takes on the people cursed with greatness. And, so, I think I would love the armchair psychology of Legion. I'd love to see how Clayface manages to be his own person when he looks like any other one. I'd love to see what shreds of humanity exist still within Swamp Thing. I'd love to see Swarm interact with those around the team. And all of it could land in a narrative vehicle of a debriefing psychologist who retells every story through the lens of self-examination.

But here's the thing.

Membership Drive: There's a perfect member for this group. Someone who has powers that fall in line with the name and also with the concept. Someone who also could explore that lurking duality in personality. Someone who clearly belongs in this group. Hell, you named the group LEGION and you didn't include LEGION. That's the singularly biggest whiff on this entire ranking. And it dropped this potential team from a top ten concept to here. This team is a winning pitch. Great variety in membership, instantly unique chemistry, the potential to go anywhere in storytelling, an easily visualized narrative throughline... and, with just one poorly forgotten member, you torpedoed it. Shame on you, sir. Shame on you.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

What I don't like about this team is that it's half mutants and half other things. But the visual I get, the message I get, trumps all of that. Still, it would to have a

Membership Drive: don't you think? First and foremost, I would ditch Maggott. We need to cut mutants if this isn't a purely mutant team, and Maggott is easily

things got a little messed up here
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Back to back Swamp Thing teams amuses me for some reason

I like a part of the pitch you made for Gorgeous, which got me to thinking I'd probably like a team like that that was about mutants that were actually inconvenienced by their powers but in a way that was a bit more than "I'm ugly" that Gorgeous gives you.

Basically X-Men remix where the core members are Cyclops Rogue and Beast and most of the other ones are tossed for more mutants that aren't "hey I'm a human but better and you hate me why" but are maybe more photogenic because I don't want to read a comic with a bunch of eyesores if I can avoid it.

Course I realize the point of Gorgeous is partially to be ugly but I'm just building off what I like about the team idea.
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Cyclops also has to overcome being the biggest douchebag in the world.
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#20 - Batty Day Care Created by: Lopen

Batman
Jubilee
Lil Gambit
Creepy Crawler
Cyke
Lil Bishop
Psychild
Shower
Sugah
Wolvie

Simple. Sweet. Sellable. Everything about this could be easily and quickly marketed. The dynamic is clear just from the membership and yet you can see the versatility in the concept. It's one - brilliant - man saddled with a slew of super-powered toddlers. And it will sell comics very easily if you get someone like Jill Thompson to or Dustin Nguyen to do the artwork. A host of writers could provide various story arcs; it's not complicated, but it opens the doors to a variety of more complicated takes on the premise. The name is cute and marketable, the characters would be quickly embraced by readers, and Batman remains still the clearest indicator of sales in comics.

There's not much to say about this, and that's a testament to how clean and simple it is. It works.

I would never buy this comic, probably, but it works. I would be out as soon as you said, "Toddlers". But my personal opinion matters only partially here. Objectively, this would sell t-shirts, comics, and coffee mugs. It's a franchise.

You know, it's crazy that no one ever thought to do this with Batman before:
http://www.previewsworld.com/SiteImage/CatalogImage/STL080889?type=1
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I would've put some variety beyond X-Babies personally; maybe give Sugar & Spike a slot, you may as well have Molly Hayes if you're gonna have Jubilee, Stanley and His Monster could give some spice to the title too.
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I actually think the concept is best in its simplicity. X-Babies and Batman. Too much more and it starts to complicate the sitcom aspect of the team.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Cyclops also has to overcome being the biggest douchebag in the world.

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Movie Cyclops is waaaaaay better than comics Cyclops. Think about that.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

Movie Cyclops is waaaaaay better than comics Cyclops. Think about that.

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