Current Events > Scarlett Johansson bullied out of transgender role

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voldothegr8 posted...

Sayoria posted...

Ya know, it would be awesome having a Martin Luther King movie and letting Channing Tatum play MLK.

You see the issue here now?

The idea is that if you are going to make a movie with transgender people, why not use transgender people? If you use a non-trans woman to play a trans man... and a "bombshell" woman at that, it is the equivalent of saying that trans men are closer to women than who they identify as... men.

There's a great level of disrespect there and that is what pisses off the community.

Not allowing trans people to play trans roles is Hollywood refusing to allow new trans people, or trans people in general to become stars.

There's two sides to that coin. Without star power nobody will watch it to begin with thus nobody else becomes a star.

Well, evangelicals would never watch a transgender movie. Alienating transgender people pulling that move would alienate supporters and actual transgender people. All you have left is the unalligned ScarJo fans.

Black people started somewhere. Hollywood should actively start looking for trans people for trans roles if they are looking to have any kind of trans people in movies. From my gathering, trans people would be far happier not being represented in movies at all if they aren't going to be given respect to the struggles they and we have faced.

That being said, trans men would far rather have as they said, a non-trans man play the role if they absolutely refused to drop the role. Putting a woman up as a trans man as they say, is a slap in the face.

Asherlee10 posted...

Sayoria posted...

The idea is that if you are going to make a movie with transgender people, why not use transgender people?

Probably because there are not a lot of transgendered actors that are famous enough (A-listers) to generate the box office movement they need.

Sometimes movies can get away with unknown or little-known actors, but not all that often.

If we don't start trying to make A-list transgender actors and actresses, then how would it ever happen? Hollywood is happy to make millions off of the idea, but is still afraid mostly to get transgender people involved.
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Putting an A-lister in there just to have an A-lister in there kind of cheapens it really. It becomes less "movie about trans character" and more "Scarlet Johansson can play a trans character"

Which I guess is cool for Scarlet Johansson's career, but it doesn't really give the movie any legs
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eston posted...

well, it's sort of like if they made a movie with a dwarf as the main character, but then gave that role to Dwayne Johnson. It's like, yeah, they could probably make it work with CGI but why not just give that role to an actual dwarf

No, it's not like that at all. Have to use cgi to turn Dwayne into a dwarf. Don't have to use cgi to turn she into he.

Sayoria posted...

Ya know, it would be awesome having a Martin Luther King movie and letting Channing Tatum play MLK.

You see the issue here now?

Lol this comparison can't be real.

averagejoel posted...

and part of the reason there aren't many trans A-listers is because roles like this are given to cis women instead of trans men

Or because there just isn't that many of them getting into acting.

I know that's tough to digest because you can't put the blame on someone but yah, can't get mad at not many when there's not many to begin with.
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pinky0926 posted...

She wasn't bullied out of it. A community was critical, and after listening to them she changed her mind.

I love how the "dem evil 3rd wave feminists" crowd keeps trying to paint this as radical liberals bullying her into giving up the role. it's the only way they can keep up their trolling
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

No, it's not like that at all. Have to use cgi to turn Dwayne into a dwarf. Don't have to use cgi to turn she into he.

You seem to have missed the point entirely
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Sayoria posted...

Ya know, it would be awesome having a Martin Luther King movie and letting Channing Tatum play MLK.

You see the issue here now?

Lol this comparison can't be real.

Why not? A pretty boy that would push seats playing a black man instead of giving the role to a black man. It's the same thing.
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Asherlee10 posted...

This is like when we didn't used to have hardly anyone else but a certain range of white, American actors in Hollywood and they would play EVERYONE. Black people, Egyptians, Chinese people, etc. That has been changing over the last 80 years and will continue to change.

That's a bingo.
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This seems like a good opportunity for change tbqh. A movie like this has the potential to become iconic within the community if done correctly, and catapult someone into stardom. It has cult hit written all over it, but not with Scarlet Johansson
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eston posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

No, it's not like that at all. Have to use cgi to turn Dwayne into a dwarf. Don't have to use cgi to turn she into he.

You seem to have missed the point entirely

There was a point in that awful hypothetical?
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Asherlee10 posted...

Sayoria posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Sayoria posted...

Ya know, it would be awesome having a Martin Luther King movie and letting Channing Tatum play MLK.

You see the issue here now?

Lol this comparison can't be real.

Why not? A pretty boy that would push seats playing a black man instead of giving the role to a black man. It's the same thing.

Probably because the availability of highly qualified, star-quality black actors exist that can nail a role like MLK. There is no need to put in someone else.

This is like when we didn't used to have hardly anyone else but a certain range of white, American actors in Hollywood and they would play EVERYONE. Black people, Egyptians, Chinese people, etc. That has been changing over the last 80 years and will continue to change.

Let's go back to the 1930s then when white people did black face.

Was it okay for that to happen, or would it have been better for them to start getting black people involved instead?
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

eston posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

No, it's not like that at all. Have to use cgi to turn Dwayne into a dwarf. Don't have to use cgi to turn she into he.

You seem to have missed the point entirely

There was a point in that awful hypothetical?

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eston posted...

I guess I get it. Trans actors for the most part only get to play trans characters, so when a high profile movie featuring a trans main character comes along and they give it to Scarlet Johansson...well, it's sort of like if they made a movie with a dwarf as the main character, but then gave that role to Dwayne Johnson. It's like, yeah, they could probably make it work with CGI but why not just give that role to an actual dwarf

Because it no longer becomes a high profile movie.
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MrPeppers posted...

eston posted...

I guess I get it. Trans actors for the most part only get to play trans characters, so when a high profile movie featuring a trans main character comes along and they give it to Scarlet Johansson...well, it's sort of like if they made a movie with a dwarf as the main character, but then gave that role to Dwayne Johnson. It's like, yeah, they could probably make it work with CGI but why not just give that role to an actual dwarf

Because it no longer becomes a high profile movie.

So Scarlet Johansson is the only reason this is a high profile movie? I find that hard to believe
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eston posted...

MrPeppers posted...

eston posted...

I guess I get it. Trans actors for the most part only get to play trans characters, so when a high profile movie featuring a trans main character comes along and they give it to Scarlet Johansson...well, it's sort of like if they made a movie with a dwarf as the main character, but then gave that role to Dwayne Johnson. It's like, yeah, they could probably make it work with CGI but why not just give that role to an actual dwarf

Because it no longer becomes a high profile movie.

So Scarlet Johansson is the only reason this is a high profile movie? I find that hard to believe

Call me cynical, but yes.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Sayoria posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Sayoria posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Sayoria posted...

Ya know, it would be awesome having a Martin Luther King movie and letting Channing Tatum play MLK.

You see the issue here now?

Lol this comparison can't be real.

Why not? A pretty boy that would push seats playing a black man instead of giving the role to a black man. It's the same thing.

Probably because the availability of highly qualified, star-quality black actors exist that can nail a role like MLK. There is no need to put in someone else.

This is like when we didn't used to have hardly anyone else but a certain range of white, American actors in Hollywood and they would play EVERYONE. Black people, Egyptians, Chinese people, etc. That has been changing over the last 80 years and will continue to change.

Let's go back to the 1930s then when white people did black face.

Was it okay for that to happen, or would it have been better for them to start getting black people involved instead?

I'm not sure what point you are fishing for here, but this seems to be side-swiping the point.

The point is, transgender people need a start in Hollywood to play parts based on who they are and the struggles they face/d.

Black people originally were represented by people who were not black.
Transgender people are being represented by people who are not transgender.
Black people struggled finding equality for who they are and eventually gained the freedom to owning their own roles in movies.
Transgender people have not yet.
Black people eventually started getting casted and this changed.
And here we are, still hiring women to play trans men and men to play trans women.

That's my point.
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I don't actually know anyone who is legit upset about their casting someone else. Even the trolls in this topic don't actually disagree that it would be better went to a trans man or a man rather than an attractive woman who looks nothing like the person she's being hired to portray. They just want to make a flaccid, irrelevant comment about how the movie might make less money without ScarJo's star power. Whatever. These's kind of movies don't attract big audiences anyway. But anyone who might have seen it before, will almost definitely see it now. And viewers actively looking for diversity in film or relatively unknown actors will pay to watch it too.
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Asherlee10 posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

eston posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

No, it's not like that at all. Have to use cgi to turn Dwayne into a dwarf. Don't have to use cgi to turn she into he.

You seem to have missed the point entirely

There was a point in that awful hypothetical?

I understood the point to be, "Just because it can be done, doesn't mean it should."

Ah, that would have been a lot easier. I don't know why people here can't just say what they mean and have to make some awful comparison.
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Asherlee10 posted...

omega cookie posted...

And trans people wonder why most people outside of tumblr just don't give a shit about their problems. For every good argument made about how they deserve to be treated better, there's ten examples like this that show normal people we should just tune them out.

These people only hurt themselves, and are too self absorbed to figure that out.

What the fuck, man? I've seen you post some awful shit. But this is really bad.

I'm not sure how rightfully pointing out that complaining about every little thing causes people to eventually stop caring is "really bad". Normal people, not the dregs of humanity that live on tumblr and seem to sustain themselves purely on outrage and lard, can only care so much about issues that don't really effect them before they stop caring.

It's like the boy who cried wolf, or in this case the boy who cried oppression. There are things they should absolutely speak up against, like getting murdered because people find out that this girl used to be a dude. That is a serious problem. Throwing a temper tantrum because a non trans person is playing a trans person in a movie? Yeah, not so much.

I mean, I guess you could take the stance that people should care about every single issue on the planet, at all times, no matter how small. Of course, I'd just point out what a miserable existence that would be.

All that being said, I truthfully don't care about this. Merely making an observation. People are going to continue to be outraged at things that don't matter, with or without me. End of the day, things like this don't effect me and never will.
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eston posted...

MrPeppers posted...

eston posted...

I guess I get it. Trans actors for the most part only get to play trans characters, so when a high profile movie featuring a trans main character comes along and they give it to Scarlet Johansson...well, it's sort of like if they made a movie with a dwarf as the main character, but then gave that role to Dwayne Johnson. It's like, yeah, they could probably make it work with CGI but why not just give that role to an actual dwarf

Because it no longer becomes a high profile movie.

So Scarlet Johansson is the only reason this is a high profile movie? I find that hard to believe

That was the excuse with GITS too and look how hard it flopped.

Either cast a trans actor in the role or don't make a movie about trans people, just like if there wasn't any good black actors then you shouldn't make an MLK movie

And almost no one gave a shit when she played an Japanese Cyborg.
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LightHawKnight posted...

And almost no one gave a shit when she played an Japanese Cyborg.

?

This was a huge scandal too though

StarLightGlimmR posted...

The LGBT community loses points with me due to this harassment.

I'm sure they care

I gotta say though, morbid curiosity kinda makes me want to see how they would have pulled off making her look like someone who identifies as a man. It probably would have been hilarious, but for all the wrong reasons
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DeadSite posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

And almost no one gave a shit when she played an Japanese Cyborg.

?

This was a huge scandal too though

No it wasn't. Most people didn't give a shit and she went on to play the role.
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averagejoel posted...

this topic is full of misinformation and bad takes

Give us that hot Commie take. I'm ready.
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LightHawKnight posted...

DeadSite posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

And almost no one gave a shit when she played an Japanese Cyborg.

?

This was a huge scandal too though

No it wasn't. Most people didn't give a shit and she went on to play the role.

Lol. Just because she ended up playing the role doesn't mean there wasn't quite a bit of controversy in the casting

If SJWs believed all their 70+ genders, "a transman/woman is the same as cisman/woman!", gender is purely a social construct, etc. rhetoric then it shouldn't matter if Scarlett Johansson plays the character. But hey, at least they're admitting that they don't believe all the crap they're saying either.
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Asherlee10 posted...

Transgendered people are getting a start in Hollywood. It's growing with each passing year.

It is already happening.

I feel like you don't have a point any longer.

How is it growing? Outside of Laverne Cox and Jazz Jennings, name five. I think five.... no, name three rising transgender stars. That's fair. Because someone like me who is pretty active in the trans world, not even I can name any others. And no, not Jenner either.
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DeadSite posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

DeadSite posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

And almost no one gave a shit when she played an Japanese Cyborg.

?

This was a huge scandal too though

No it wasn't. Most people didn't give a shit and she went on to play the role.

Lol. Just because she ended up playing the role doesn't mean there wasn't quite a bit of controversy in the casting

No where near as much as this, or if the character was black. It was a rather small amount, and most people defended her.
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Where's the outrage from Just One of The Guys, when a girl plays a boy.

The outrage from She's the Man when a girl plays a boy.

And so on and so on.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Where's the outrage from Just One of The Guys, when a girl plays a boy.

The outrage from She's the Man when a girl plays a boy.

And so on and so on.

the entire point of those movies were that they were girls trying to masquerade as guys, not that the characters identified as a different sex in which they were born
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LightHawKnight posted...

DeadSite posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

DeadSite posted...

LightHawKnight posted...

And almost no one gave a shit when she played an Japanese Cyborg.

?

This was a huge scandal too though

No it wasn't. Most people didn't give a shit and she went on to play the role.

Lol. Just because she ended up playing the role doesn't mean there wasn't quite a bit of controversy in the casting

No where near as much as this, or if the character was black. It was a rather small amount, and most people defended her.

Most people ITT are defending her now lol. The reason why she backed out was because her last controversy bombed her movie

I was mad about Hollywood casting Tom Hanks as Forrest Gump and/or any straight actor as a gay person, too...

I'm progressive/lib to the core. But my side sucks sometimes, tbh

That is all. Carry on <_<
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Asherlee10 posted...

Sayoria posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Transgendered people are getting a start in Hollywood. It's growing with each passing year.

It is already happening.

I feel like you don't have a point any longer.

How is it growing? Outside of Laverne Cox and Jazz Jennings, name five. I think five.... no, name three rising transgender stars. That's fair. Because someone like me who is pretty active in the trans world, not even I can name any others. And no, not Jenner either.

10-15 years ago I couldn't recall more than 1 or 2 transgendered actors. Now I can recall a lot more (exponentially). Not to mention, there are tons of buzzfeed-style listcles out there showing the 'best' transgendered actors. It's obvious it's growing with each passing year and you just refuse to accept that.

Chaz Bono
Alexis Arquette (passed away)
Andreja Pejic
Carmen Carrera
Trace Lysette (Transparent was a great show)

More: https://www.indiewire.com/2018/01/trans-actors-playing-trans-roles-on-screen-1201923074/

Models aren't hollywood actors/actresses. And Chaz Bono? What recent, upcoming movies can I see him, or any of these people in?
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Sayoria posted...

Ya know, it would be awesome having a Martin Luther King movie and letting Channing Tatum play MLK.

You see the issue here now?

The idea is that if you are going to make a movie with transgender people, why not use transgender people? If you use a non-trans woman to play a trans man... and a "bombshell" woman at that, it is the equivalent of saying that trans men are closer to women than who they identify as... men.

There's a great level of disrespect there and that is what pisses off the community.

Not allowing trans people to play trans roles is Hollywood refusing to allow new trans people, or trans people in general to become stars.

Virtue signalling 101. Very impressive, did you read that off of a pamphlet?
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Asherlee10 posted...

omega cookie posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

omega cookie posted...

And trans people wonder why most people outside of tumblr just don't give a shit about their problems. For every good argument made about how they deserve to be treated better, there's ten examples like this that show normal people we should just tune them out.

These people only hurt themselves, and are too self absorbed to figure that out.

What the fuck, man? I've seen you post some awful shit. But this is really bad.

I'm not sure how rightfully pointing out that complaining about every little thing causes people to eventually stop caring is "really bad". Normal people, not the dregs of humanity that live on tumblr and seem to sustain themselves purely on outrage and lard, can only care so much about issues that don't really effect them before they stop caring.

It's like the boy who cried wolf, or in this case the boy who cried oppression. There are things they should absolutely speak up against, like getting murdered because people find out that this girl used to be a dude. That is a serious problem. Throwing a temper tantrum because a non trans person is playing a trans person in a movie? Yeah, not so much.

I mean, I guess you could take the stance that people should care about every single issue on the planet, at all times, no matter how small. Of course, I'd just point out what a miserable existence that would be.

All that being said, I truthfully don't care about this. Merely making an observation. People are going to continue to be outraged at things that don't matter, with or without me. End of the day, things like this don't effect me and never will.

I hope (for my sake) that this isn't a real display of your persona or your belief sets.

And I hope (for my sake) that I don't forget that you aren't worth seriously replying to ever again. Wouldn't want to waste any more time on you.
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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Or because there just isn't that many of them getting into acting.

there are plenty of transgender actors, and there is a person called a Casting Director who gets paid to find appropriate actors for parts
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boxington posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Where's the outrage from Just One of The Guys, when a girl plays a boy.

The outrage from She's the Man when a girl plays a boy.

And so on and so on.

the entire point of those movies were that they were girls trying to masquerade as guys, not that the characters identified as a different sex in which they were born

most of the posters itt lack the critical thinking skills to differentiate the two
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Conflict posted...

@Le__seul_dieu__ posted...

omega cookie posted...

And trans people wonder why most people outside of tumblr just don't give a shit about their problems. For every good argument made about how they deserve to be treated better, there's ten examples like this that show normal people we should just tune them out.

These people only hurt themselves, and are too self absorbed to figure that out.

qft

For someone who had a massive meltdown over people shitting on XXXTentacion after his death, you'd think you would be a bit more prone to empathy

it's one thing to laughing at someone being murdered, it's another thing to attack an actrice for wanting to portray a trans character and attacking her over it.
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Butterfiles posted...

boxington posted...

gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Where's the outrage from Just One of The Guys, when a girl plays a boy.

The outrage from She's the Man when a girl plays a boy.

And so on and so on.

the entire point of those movies were that they were girls trying to masquerade as guys, not that the characters identified as a different sex in which they were born

most of the posters itt lack the critical thinking skills to differentiate the two

I mean, what's the difference?

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