Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 7: The Letting (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

(+) Yeah! (+)

Whew, 6-4 complete

part of me wants to jump straight into 6-5 because it's so good but I'll do numbers and stuff first of course
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Total lines by character:

1. Phoenix Wright - 21961
2. Miles Edgeworth - 15023
3. Apollo Justice - 7755
4. The Judge - 6503
5. Maya Fey - 4744
6. Athena Cykes - 4407
7. Dick Gumshoe - 4089
8. Kay Faraday - 3370
9. Trucy Wright - 2494
10. Franziska von Karma - 2314
11. Ema Skye - 2158
12. Mia Fey - 1418
13. Simon Blackquill - 1278
14. Pearl Fey - 1230
15. Klavier Gavin - 1154
16. Shi-Long Lang - 1101
17. Justine Courtney - 1016
18. Larry Butz - 1008
19. Raymond Shields - 971
20. Godot - 902
21. Bobby Fulbright - 700
22. Nahyuta Sahdmadhi - 650
23. Rayfa Padma Khura'in - 650
24. Gregory Edgeworth - 649
25. Lotta Hart - 648
26. Tyrell Badd - 593
27. Dahlia Hawthorne - 578
28. Wendy Oldbag - 553
29. Khura'in Judge - 541
30. Sebastian Debeste - 521
31. Calisto Yew/Shih-na - 489
32. Adrian Andrews - 459
33. Winston Payne - 453
34. Manfred von Karma - 444
35. The Judge's Brother - 421
36. Shelly de Killer - 387
37. Lamiroir/Thalassa Gramarye - 382
38. Will Powers - 380
39. Simon Keyes - 380
40. Bikini - 351
41. Gaspen Payne - 335
42. Maggey Byrde - 323
43. Lawrence "Moe" Curls - 320
44. Kristoph Gavin - 319
45. Quercus Alba - 303
46. Valant Gramarye - 298
47. Luke Atmey - 292
48. Damon Gant - 285
49. Juniper Woods - 277
50. Ini Miney - 275
51. Angel Starr - 272
52. Ron DeLite - 271
53. Rhoda Teneiro - 268
54. Ahlbi Ur'gaid - 267
55. Katherine Hall - 267
56. Blaise Debeste - 265
57. Regina Berry - 261
58. Jake Marshall - 257
59. Jean Armstrong - 251
60. Datz Are'bal - 250
61. Nicole Swift - 250
62. Lana Skye - 249
63. Victor Kudo - 247
64. Mike Meekins - 235
65. Marvin Grossberg - 234
67. Jacques Portsman - 231
68. Spark Brushel - 230
69. Frank Sahwit - 219
70. Alita Tiala - 219
71. Hugh O'Conner - 218
72. Marlon Rimes - 217
73. Patricia Roland - 217
74. Daryan Crescend - 216
75. Dane Gustavia - 209
76. Horace Knightley - 209
77. Florent L'Belle - 208
78. Maximillion Galactica - 203
79. Ben & Trilo Quist - 200
80. Yuri Cosmos - 199
81. Sasha Buckler - 198
82. Penny Nichols - 194
83. Phineas Filch - 192
84. Jinxie Tenma - 191
85. Uendo Toneido (Combined) - 185
86. Ken "Acro" Dingling - 182
87. Roger Retinz/Mr. Reus - 182
88. Iris - 181
89. Herman Crab - 180
90. Damian Tenma - 179
91. Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin - 178
92. Furio Tigre - 176
93. Zak Gramarye - 174
94. Matt Engarde - 171
95. Sirhan Dogen - 170
96. Cammy Meele - 168
97. Morgan Fey - 165
98. Redd White - 162
99. Betty de Famme - 156
100. Aristotle Means - 154
101. Solomon Starbuck - 154
102. John Marsh - 153
103. Robin Newman - 153
104. Delicia Scones - 151
105. Colias Palaeno - 150
106. Dee Vasquez - 148
107. Zinc Lablanc - 146
108. Desiree DeLite - 142
109. Ted Tonate - 141
110. Trilo Quist - 140
111. Wesley Stickler - 138
112. Cody Hackins - 135
113. Norma DePlume - 134
114. Olga Orly - 131
115. Lauren Paups - 130
116. Tahrust Inmee - 130
117. Karin Jenson - 129
118. Myriam Scuttlebutt - 123
119. Aura Blackquill - 122
120. Guy Eldoon - 118
121. Wocky Kitaki - 112
122. Bonny de Famme - 111
123. Di-Jun Huang - 110
124. Geiru Toneido - 108
125. The Phantom - 107
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6-4 is a lot of fun but Geiru hurt my eyes.
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126. Richard Wellington - 107
127. April May - 104
128. Vera Misham - 104
129. Jay Elbird - 102
130. Uendo Toneido - 102
131. Yanni Yogi - 98
132. Lance Amano - 92
133. Jeff Master - 90
134. Beh'leeb Inmee - 87
135. Viola Cadaverini - 80
136. Director Hotti/Doctor Hickfield - 76
137. Plum Kitaki - 76
138. Terry Fawles - 74
139. Drew Misham - 74
140. The Bellboy - 72
141. Ernest Amano - 68
142. Ponco - 66
143. Benjamin Woodman - 60
144. Sal Manella - 59
145. Chief of Detectives - 55
146. Bonnie Young - 53
147. Patches - 49
148. Lisa Basil - 46
149. Kisegawa - 45
150. Clonco - 43
151. Machi Tobaye - 41
152. Orla Shipley - 40
153. Turner Grey - 39
154. Widget - 39
155. Bucky Whet - 38
156. Inga Karkhuul Khura'in - 34
157. Elise Deauxnim - 30
158. Owen - 26
159. Missile - 20
160. Polly - 20
161. Winfred "Big Wins" Kitaki - 20
162. The Amazing Mr. Hat - 19
163. Romein LeTouse - 13
164. Shah'do - 13
165. Taka - 10
166. Ga'ran Sigatar Khura'in - 5
167. Dhurke Sahdmadhi - 1

Overall total lines - 114778

Total lines by case:

2-4 - 5946
1-5 - 5913
3-5 - 5815
E1-5 - 4831
E2-5 - 4777
4-3 - 4494
3-2 - 4151
3-3 - 4063
6-3 - 3979
E2-3 - 3959
4-4 - 3952
E2-2 - 3936
2-3 - 3884
5-2 - 3750
5-6 - 3616
4-2 - 3468
1-4 - 3466
5-3 - 3202
2-2 - 3119
6-2 - 2987
E1-4 - 2935
E2-4 - 2868
1-3 - 2741
5-5 - 2550
E1-3 - 2412
5-4 - 2018
E1-2 - 1995
E2-1 - 1923
1-2 - 1773
6-4 - 1650
4-1 - 1421
6-1 - 1362
3-4 - 1225
3-1 - 1167
5-1 - 1102
E1-1 - 1039
2-1 - 899
4-0 - 679
1-1 - 389

Totals lines by game:

AAI2 - 17463
T&T - 16422
DD - 16238
PW1 - 14282
JFA - 13848
AJ - 13335
AAI1 - 13212
SoJ - 9978

Total lines by character per case:

Turnabout Storyteller (6-4)

1. Athena Cykes - 646 (39.15%)
2. Simon Blackquill - 256 (15.52%)
3. Nahyuta Sahdmadhi - 203 (12.30%)
4. Uendo Toneido (Combined) - 185 (11.21%)
5. The Judge - 163 (9.88%)
6. Geiru Toneido - 108 (6.55%)
7. Uendo Toneido - 102 (6.18%)
8. Patches - 49
9. Kisegawa - 45
10. Bucky Whet - 38
11. Owen - 26
12. Other - 10
13. Widget - 3
14. Taifu Toneido - 1

Total lines by character per game:

Spirit of Justice

1. Phoenix Wright - 2261
2. Apollo Justice - 1170
3. Athena Cykes - 1153
4. Nahyuta Sahdmadhi - 650
5. Rayfa Padma Khura'in - 650
6. Khura'in Judge - 541
7. The Judge - 359
8. Maya Fey - 300
9. Ahlbi Ur'gaid - 267
10. Ema Skye - 261
11. Simon Blackquill - 256
12. Datz Are'bal - 249
13. Trucy Wright - 221
14. Uendo Toneido (Combined) - 185
15. Gaspen Payne - 184
16. Roger Retinz/Mr. Reus - 182
17. Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin - 178
18. Other - 172
19. Betty de Famme - 156
20. Tahrust Inmee - 130
21. Bonny de Famme - 111
22. Geiru Toneido - 108
23. Uendo Toneido - 102
24. Beh'leeb Inmee - 87
25. Patches - 49
26. Kisegawa - 45
27. Bucky Whet - 38
28. Inga Karkhuul Khura'in - 34
29. Owen - 26
30. Shah'do - 13
31. Widget - 12
32. Ga'ran Sigatar Khura'in - 5
33. Manov Mistree - 5
34. Dhurke Sahdmadhi - 1
35. Taifu Toneido - 1
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now for the fun part

take a wild guess on line counts for 6-5 because this case is the biggest of them all
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Huh, Uendo only had 185 lines combined?

I'll have to think about 6-5. Line counts for AA6 are below what I thought they would be generally speaking

uendo had fewer lines than april may?

i guess he doesn't appear out of court but damn

also surprised that geiru beats him (and the phantom...)
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Huh, Uendo only had 185 lines combined?

nvm didn't realize it was broken out
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Paratroopa1 posted...

Huh, Uendo only had 185 lines combined?

Well, that was just counting them as a single line even when he switched between personalities.

It's 222 lines if you count personality swaps as a new line.
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oh rihgt, yeah

also Blackquill might actually stay ahead of Pearl

her role in 6-5 is so minute that she might not have 50 lines in her

I'm also kind of curious to see how close Athena/Maya actually ends up being. Athena might be able to pass her with 6-5, although Maya should pass her back with 6-6 if she does.

Ema/Franziska for 10th place looks like it's going to come down to the wire, too.
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Ema/Franziska isn't going to be close, Ema's got this easily

Maya's definitely going to beat Athena too, not sure how much Athena's really got out of 6-5

Pearl... falls short of Blackquill I think, yeah.

Athena is the investigation partner for investigation day 2, and it's a pretty lengthy one (albeit broken up by a Phoenix/Edgeworth segment, which will limit Athena's total a bit). She's Apollo's partner during the first trial day, too. Maya's role in 6-5 isn't that big either. I mean, yeah, Maya will definitely end up on top because of 6-6, but I'm just curious how close the final margin will be.

And Ema probably beats Franziska, but she's probably going to need 6-6 to do it. I thought she'd beat her more comfortably than that. She's definitely not catching Trucy now.
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I do think Ema will need 6-6 to beat Franziska but 6-5 is going to put her pretty close. Ema's got a very significant role in the first half.

Should be careful about 6-5 spoilers by the way

well Giggs said he made it to the Maya testimony so I made sure not to say anything beyond that point
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6-5 time

Before I start, I just want to say that I think giving Apollo the lead role here is one of the ballsiest things the series has ever done, especially considering Phoenix has been the one leading the charge in Khura'in up to this point. I was pleasantly surprised when I first began this case and saw Apollo's silhouette in the background on the bottom screen, but even then, part of me anticipated that he would eventually pass the baton on to Phoenix to finish the job.
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Trucy: What did Mr. Dhurke mean when he said that he's "the man who raised you," Apollo?
Apollo: The truth is, I grew up in the Kingdom of Khura'in. Did I, uh...never mention that?

I just love this exchange for some reason. It kinda shows how private Apollo is in general and how much hurt he's buried inside.
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LeonhartFour posted...

6-5 time

Before I start, I just want to say that I think giving Apollo the lead role here is one of the ballsiest things the series has ever done, especially considering Phoenix has been the one leading the charge in Khura'in up to this point. I was pleasantly surprised when I first began this case and saw Apollo's silhouette in the background on the bottom screen, but even then, part of me anticipated that he would eventually pass the baton on to Phoenix to finish the job.

Yeah, there are so many things I could say about this case, but this is still the best part of it

Man, that opening scene in the office is super great. Like, nothing flashy happens, but just the interaction between Apollo and Dhurke feels so real. Apollo's emotions are so raw in a way that you've never really seen from him before. It's just really well written.

And then traveling back to Kurain Village as Apollo was super hype. It was like worlds colliding.
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Here is my half-assed guess on 6-5, there are some parts I'm blanking on right now so I might be underrating some people:

(spoiler tag may or may not reveal actual spoilers, I am being safe)

Apollo
Phoenix
Dhurke
Athena
Ga'ran
Nahyuta
Sarge/Armie
Paul Atishon
Trucy
Khura'in Judge
Judge
Ema
Nayna
Datz
Rayfa
Edgeworth
Ahlbi
Maya
Pearl
Others
Inga
Shah'do
Bonnie, Betty, Beh'leeb, Uendo
Bucky, Patches, Kisegawa

the middle group is hard as fuck to figure out and the split cases makes everything harder

fingerprinting the suitcase might be the worst part of this entire game because the game misleads you into thinking you should examine the handles and places where it opens, even going so far as to give you an incomplete and unusable fingerprint, never cluing you in on the fact that you have to dust one of the stickers instead
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Yeah, fingerprinting is like super buggy too so it's extra bad

Giggsalot posted...

- crackpot theory time! I don't think I believe this, but I'm going to throw this out here now, just in case: ever since we first saw Amara, I've been fairly convinced that she and Nayna might somehow be the same person. it doesn't really make any sense on a number of levels, but their colour schemes are just eerily similar, and we know so little about Nayna that it can't really be discounted.

ohoho! glad I posted this when I did, the thought had rumbled around in my head without any real basis for ages. I'll be wrong about almost everything in this case, I think, but I'm glad I got this one.

as of Amara's testimony, I'm still fairly convinced that it's all Ga'ran's doing - the way she's played off Dhurke against Amara to take the blame is perfect crime territory - but the way that Amara seems to be very much on her side here is intriguing to say the least.

I suspect there is a long, long way to go here yet.

p.s. Amara's "patron saint of animals" animation is amazing
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time for another utterly batshit theory that I don't really believe: we've never seen Nayna/Amara and Dhurke together in this case - Dhurke's escape from the trial coincided with Nayna's entrance, and we'd never seen her before now. what if 6-5 Dhurke was actually being channeled by Amara the whole time, and she just stayed in his body since the murder?

this would, of course, raise a number of questions, like "wait, Dhurke's dead?" and "when did that happen? and "what is Dhurke's blood doing in the tomb?" as well as, of course, "what the utter fuck?"

...but, you know, still!
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oh god i'm right aren't i
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That didn't take long.
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this case is horrendous
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Giggsalot posted...

oh god i'm right aren't i

Giggsalot posted...

this case is horrendous

great series of posts
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it's funny, because I remember thinking earlier in the game that it was kind of disappointing that the game was making it so obvious that Inga would be the big bad/final murderer. at the start of this case I was genuinely shocked by his death, but in the end it turns out that i was more or less right all along.

that is emotionally manipulative, sick, wonderful storytelling.
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can anyone tell me approximately how long I have left in this case? at Amara's second testimony now, and I might actually pause here if there's a substantial amount left (we haven't even touched on the arson yet, so I suspect there might be)
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pause, it's a monster trial
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alright, thanks a lot. it's 11pm here, would rather not be puzzling over this in four hours.

got to the unofficial Dhurke exoneration, and pausing on the Amara perceive. normally these things are fine, but this one seems Brushel-level.

will probably finish this off tomorrow, stay tuned!
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holy shit Amara got shot

this does seem to clear the road for Amara to be relatively innocent and Ga'ran to be the perpetrator of pretty much everything, as initially suspected, but that doesn't mean we'll be doing it any time soon. I'm not sure how many more twists this case can have, but I'd be crazy to predict that everything is clear now.

(okay, so I played on a bit. stopping here now, honestly!)
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I'd forgotten about Amara getting shot. Sadly the best part of 6-5 is over now IMO - though while it's easy to foresee, proving Gar'an to have no channeling ability is fantastic.
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6-5 so good

So I was thinking after talking about how good the opening scene is, what are the great opening scenes in the series (not the intro cutscenes but the scene that immediately follows it)?

Off the top of my head top 5 was 1-2, 3-3, 3-5, 4-1, and 6-5.
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Aside from 1-2 I can't really think of a case where the very first scene had a major impact on me separate from the intro cutscene. Maybe 1-4, when Phoenix finds out that Edgeworth was arrested for murder?

Aside from 1-2 and 6-5, I meant to say

because 6-5 is really 'whoa'

I think 3-3 grabs your attention right away with Phoenix supposedly having lost a case he was never a part of. Then the picture of Iris in the magazine in 3-5 was a big hook for me. Apollo meeting Hobonix for the first time was a great moment, too.
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1-2, 4-1, and 6-5 of those

i do love 1-4 too

we meet diego armando in 3-4, right?
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I think the hook for 1-4 is in the intro when you see Edgeworth with the gun.

Oh yeah, seeing Diego Armando in the opening cutscene in 3-4 and immediately knowing that he's Godot was pretty great, too.
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...and we're at the Jove Justice divination seance! no major shocks so far - Rayfa being Amara and Dhurke's daughter qualifies as a big deal, but I thought that was fairly obvious from the first time we saw the photo. Ga'ran's surely running relatively low on hail marys now, so will be interested to see how long she can stall this out. I hope she doesn't pull an Alba on us.
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I guess I saw that twist coming, too. I figured as soon as we saw the picture (and the caption even said he died in Khura'in), we would end up doing a Divination Seance about him. Dhurke must have had a reason for expending so much effort to find it.
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i think this section had no more surprises for me, mostly a matter of just executing things/watching the characters figure it out. it's weird how much they built up rayfa being dhurke/amara's daughter when the reveal was so obvious and not even that climactically done. a lot of 6-5's twists probably deserved to be executed better, i'd say, though the final (rather predictable) one is still great!
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finished the trial now! glad that didn't run on too long.

gonna finish up the closing now and then give some thoughts.
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When I saw the photo I immediately thought that I was supposed to understand that it meant Rayfa was Amara's daughter, and I didn't even realize it was supposed to be a twist until they followed it up with not immediately saying "hey, could that be Rayfa?"

6-5 has a lot of great twists, but that wasn't one

Yeah, sometimes Ace Attorney is bad about treating the player like they're dumb by treating something blatantly obvious like it's a twist, and that picture is one of them.
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I immediately figured what the photo of Amara with the baby was supposed to mean, but at the same time, I figured there was a still a possibility they may not go that route. Is it really weird for Amara to be photographed attending to her "niece" like that, given her role as a caretaker in the current day?
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well, uh, that was a hell of a case! will need time to process my overall feelings, but I'm happy to answer any questions people have. stray thoughts:

- I agree with SD that the case kind of peaked early - the realization that Dhurke is already dead is enormous and the clear climax of the game, and everything after Amara gets shot is fairly perfunctory. however, with the final Ga'ran twist the case ended in a satisfying way, unlike 5-5, and didn't outstay it's welcome, unlike E1-5. so good job to the writers on that one!

- this was two really good cases in one, which obviously strengthens the case overall, but I'm not sure I like the decision overall. why not split them up (and make 6-2 or 6-4 DLC if necessary)? in a way, I feel like the current setup overshadows the Buff murder, which I really enjoyed and deserved a 3-4-esque standalone presentation. I genuinely think Armie Buff and Paul Atishon are two of the most memorable characters in the game, and it's hard to even remember they were in this case by the end! I also feel this validates my approach of considering 5-4 and 5-5 one single case, but that's another story.

- "her benevolence has taken to calling me braid head" is one of the best credits lines yet, I think. it's actually pretty impressive how believable and likable nahyuta's transformation was, considering how tedious his characterization was at times throughout the game.

- the Lamiroir tease at the end of the game was a fun nod. I wouldn't have a problem with Apollo re-appearing in a cameo capacity from here on, especially in a case that was related to Trucy and Thalassa (though knowing the writers they'll probably only find out the truth after she gets viciously murdered), but I like that he'll (presumably) be mostly gone from here on. because AA4 was such a letdown as far as Apollo's characterization, his character feels maybe comparable to Phoenix post AA2, and his leaving and taking on so much responsibility feels slightly premature. the dude is only 24 years old! but it was a nice conclusion to his story arc, and I like the theme of mentors and disciples that came through most of the game, and Phoenix really coming into his role as an elder statesman. if the next game (trilogy?) is Athena-focused, I hope they can continue to emphasize that aspect of his character, so he truly does continue to grow and progress as the endgame monologue suggests.

- is the DLC case worthwhile? I heard it's a bit of a let-down in comparison to 5-6, but I hurt my ankle yesterday and so I'll need something lazy to do!
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