Current Events > Chris Hardwick accused of years of sexual and emotional abuse

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oof this has certainly turned into a shitshow

i really want to see the alleged proof now, he definitely shouldn't have his career ruined if it's just her word against his
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DarthAragorn posted...

he definitely shouldn't have his career ruined if it's just her word against his

It isn't even a toss up at this point. He's provided evidence suggesting that she was still seeking him, even months later. So, unless she provides evidence of her own, he should get all of his usual show bookings back on track. I say should though because there's still a chance some Hollywood types blacklist him for a time anyway under the 'better to ruin an innocent man's life here and there than discourage other women from speaking' banner. They're allowed to be sexist in that way.
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DuneMan posted...

He's provided evidence suggesting that she was still seeking him, even months later.

And that he broke up with her and cut all ties. In her essay she claimed it was the other way around, and that Hardwick was begging for her to take him back.

That discrepancy alone is enough to put her entire story into question.
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His wife has come out in support of him and refutes the claims against him. This is wild
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DuneMan posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

he definitely shouldn't have his career ruined if it's just her word against his

It isn't even a toss up at this point. He's provided evidence suggesting that she was still seeking him, even months later. So, unless she provides evidence of her own, he should get all of his usual show bookings back on track. I say should though because there's still a chance some Hollywood types blacklist him for a time anyway under the 'better to ruin an innocent man's life here and there than discourage other women from speaking' banner. They're allowed to be sexist in that way.

He needs to sue, no really I just want to see her evidence
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DuneMan posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

he definitely shouldn't have his career ruined if it's just her word against his

It isn't even a toss up at this point. He's provided evidence suggesting that she was still seeking him, even months later. So, unless she provides evidence of her own, he should get all of his usual show bookings back on track. I say should though because there's still a chance some Hollywood types blacklist him for a time anyway under the 'better to ruin an innocent man's life here and there than discourage other women from speaking' banner. They're allowed to be sexist in that way.

I mean, couldn't the reasoning behind her staying with an abusive boyfriend still apply in the scenario where she tries to get him back? I agree with you, just saying that that could be used.

Allanon23 posted...

DuneMan posted...

He's provided evidence suggesting that she was still seeking him, even months later.

And that he broke up with her and cut all ties. In her essay she claimed it was the other way around, and that Hardwick was begging for her to take him back.

That discrepancy alone is enough to put her entire story into question.

This is a good point though, I read the initial story the day of and just saw the texts today so I didn't notice that. Yeah, this whole thing definitely seems questionable now. Wtf.
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daftpunk_mk5 posted...

Girl consented to everything and had plenty of opportunities to leave.

DarthAragorn posted...

I mean, couldn't the reasoning behind her staying with an abusive boyfriend still apply in the scenario where she tries to get him back? I agree with you, just saying that that could be used.

i dont think a man doing what she claims would do it only to 1 woman

is odd no others poped up

and why didnt she say anything about being with another man ?
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marc55 posted...

and why didnt she say anything about being with another man ?

She did... sort of. Dykstra does not call it cheating, though I think Hardwick did call it that, which is supposedly why he broke up with her. But she claims she broke up with him and he wanted her back. He wrecked her claim when he came forward with messages she sent about wanting to get back with him.

Fuck, this situation is all a mess and is a big example of He said, she said. Anway, here is her own writing from TCs link:

After three years of being snapped/yelled at constantly, very rarely being shown any affection- I finally left him. For another man. That I had literally just met. I was so desperate to be out I just clung on to the first knight in shining armor to show up.
Unfortunately, there was a slight crossover: a kiss. A kiss I immediately told him about, and he, surprisingly, instantly forgave me. Turned a total 180. He begged me not to leave him, even told me he was planning to propose; despite stating previously he had no intention to marry me.

I bolded the parts that confuse me. Why did she have to tell Hardwick about the kiss from another guy and then mention Hardwick forgiving her, if she had broken up with Hardwick? This all seems very suspicious because it sounds like a half-assed confession. On the other hand, the argument could be made that people suffering from abuse do weird things.
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gmanthebest posted...

Scorsese2002 posted...

https://twitter.com/skydart/status/1009550942939766784

She totally doesn't have shit on him.

so many tweets saying people should believe accusations without proof

they think its wrong to ask for proof before believing
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marc55 posted...

gmanthebest posted...

Scorsese2002 posted...

https://twitter.com/skydart/status/1009550942939766784

She totally doesn't have shit on him.

so many tweets saying people should believe accusations without proof

they think its wrong to ask for proof before believing

Even with this people still supporting her. When we know she lied and wanted him back.
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cjsdowg posted...

Even with this people still supporting her. When we know she lied and wanted him back.

Some people choose their side and stick with it no matter what. They really are no different than hardcore Trump supporters who deny or make excuses for his BS.
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Gee why would a girl who was in an emotionally abusive relationship that had completely alienated her from all her friends and family have a reason to go back to that relationship? So confusing.
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billcom6 posted...

Gee why would a girl who was in an emotionally abusive relationship that had completely alienated her from all her friends and family have a reason to go back to that relationship? So confusing.

You're right. HE'S A WITCH, BURN HIM. WHO NEEDS ACTUAL PROOF WHEN YOU CAN BURN HIM?
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Darmik posted...

I knew this story would get a shitty reaction here.

Dude sounds like a complete abusive scumbag and people still blame her because of course they do.

More like people like you believe anyone who starts a story first.

billcom6 posted...

Gee why would a girl who was in an emotionally abusive relationship that had completely alienated her from all her friends and family have a reason to go back to that relationship? So confusing.

She never even said he alienated her from her family, and only mentioned 1 friend at all. You have to be utterly negligent of reality to still believe her especially after watching the YouTube video she posted the day she was at the hospital after her surgery. That video completely disproves what she fucking said about the surgery stuff completely.
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Howl posted...

She never even said he alienated her from her family, and only mentioned 1 friend at all. You have to be utterly negligent of reality to still believe her especially after watching the YouTube video she posted the day she was at the hospital after her surgery. That video completely disproves what she f***ing said about the surgery stuff completely.

What happen in the youtube video now ?
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Sounds more like her career nosedived without a famous boyfriend around to help secure gigs than any kind of active blacklisting on his part.

eh, those texts don't do much of anything to convince me one way or the other that her story is true
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Balrog0 posted...

eh, those texts don't do much of anything to convince me one way or the other that her story is true
It's on

She said Oh I left him for another man and it was like 180 my life was better blah blah blah . This shows that he left her, and begged to get back with him. Showing that she lied .
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I guess it really just comes down to me not thinking texts divulged by one side are really that useful.

Like, it does maybe show that she lied regarding his reaction to her kissing someone, but I'm just supposed to assume that he never responded and I only have his word on that
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Low self esteem girl goes after douchebag. Relationship turns out to be awful. Gee what a shocker lol.
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Balrog0 posted...

I guess it really just comes down to me not thinking texts divulged by one side are really that useful.

Like, it does maybe show that she lied regarding his reaction to her kissing someone, but I'm just supposed to assume that he never responded and I only have his word on that

We had her one sided account.
He replied to that, and showed she was lying.
So what more can he do ?
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nothing really, I'm just not more inclined to believe him than I was inclined to believe her
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Balrog0 posted...

I guess it really just comes down to me not thinking texts divulged by one side are really that useful.

Like, it does maybe show that she lied regarding his reaction to her kissing someone, but I'm just supposed to assume that he never responded and I only have his word on that

She's free to post the so-called proof she claimed to have. So far he's the only one that's done so.
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Balrog0 posted...

nothing really, I'm just not more inclined to believe him than I was inclined to believe her

Well, thankfully courts of law go by evidence. With the evidence provided demonstrating that she's lied and has motive to harm him she'll need to provide something substantive of her own if she wishes to proceed with her claim.

On the other hand, she might be satisfied with the stink of the dark cloud she's raised among public perception of Hardwick. She knows there are people like you who simply won't believe Hardwick's evidence, possibly because he's a male.
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DuneMan posted...

Well, thankfully courts of law go by evidence. With the evidence provided demonstrating that she's lied and has motive to harm him she'll need to provide something substantive of her own if she wishes to proceed with her claim.

this really is not the smoking gun you want it to be as far as that goes, though

it doesn't change anything, as what she said was unsubstantiated already...
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fwiw I was the first one in this topic to defend him
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Demonstrating that one party outright lied about their relationship, and how it ended, does change things. Without his evidence it's a "he said, she said" thing, which generally goes in favor of the woman. With the evidence it's a "here's a vindictive liar coming after me" thing. Also, the fact that she pursued a rekindling of the relationship months and months later undercuts her abuse narrative. No reasonable person thinks to themselves, "Well, it's been half a year of freedom from the sexual assaulter, guess it's time to get back on the saddle to abuse town."
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It doesn't show that she wanted him back, it shows that she wanted to remain on friendly terms, which makes sense if you take her story seriously about him blacklisting her. It does sort of show that he didn't take the break up the way she claims he did, but without further context and the timeline those texts really are not very meaningful at all, it is kinda weird to me yall are so ready to accept them at face value actually.

Do we know that is the exact date of their break up, for instance? What if this was after he had attempted to get her back and failed, during the time this woman she claims was ruining her life was ruining her life? I agree she is over conciliatory if that is the case, but that also fits into her description of herself and the relationship.

I'm not white knighting or anything. I have no reason to believe she is telling the truth. But an isolated text string followed by another should not be so compelling to you imo
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It shouldn't be surprising. Contemporaneous text chains between individuals are prepared without thought given to an outside audience viewing them in the future. They're essentially quite authentic.

I will grant thought that based on the texts it is a stretch to imply that she wanted him back in her life in a romantic sense. But she definitely still wanted something from him. In your mind she's hoping he pulls back a blacklist call against her. Someone else might look at that and see her hoping he'll become a professional springboard for her.

You do appear to be white knighting to a degree though since you're operating on the assumption that she's a poor victim who cannot help herself when it comes to the way she behaves. So unless she's been prescribed medication from a doctor in her adult life for manic behavior, or something similar, it's just a baseless claim on her part.
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DuneMan posted...

In your mind she's hoping he pulls back a blacklist call against her.

that's not what I said, I'm saying there is more than one plausible interpretation of the text that fit into either side's narrative

DuneMan posted...

You do appear to be white knighting to a degree though since you're operating on the assumption that she's a poor victim who cannot help herself when it comes to the way she behaves.

how do you get that from what I've said?
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You already said you were more inclined to believe her. Even if you say you didn't mean it that way, your posts have consistently looked more favorably upon her in tone.

By her own words she's still angry with him:
"Admittedly, theres still an anger inside of me. An anger at him, an anger at myself for letting myself fall into the trap and being nave enough to stay there."

In her story she describes a textbook list of things that controlling people do in relationships, like no contact with the opposite sex outside of work requirements, sequester yourself away from the world when you aren't being supervised, give your body for sex whenever it's wanted, etc. She also throws in weird details that don't make sense, like the "I think I love you too, ******" line.

She describes her time with him thusly:
"When cameras were on us? He was a prince. Turn them off, he was a nightmare."

Yet she's seeking cordiality and friendship with this person after having broken away from them more than half a year prior to that? That doesn't follow.

If you're in a mental prison landscape where you describe your life as:"During all of this I lost myself, both mentally and physically. I lost 15 lbs within weeks, started pulling out my hair (and had to get extensions regularly to hide it). I generally stopped speaking unless spoken to while with him, drifting through life like a ghost. I would try to sleep in as late as possible so my days were shorter. I stopped listening to music entirely. I ceased to be. I was an ex-person."

Then you certainly don't want any more contact with that. Friends and family would certainly have told her the same thing if that is how her life had been playing out at that time. Hell, she says as much in her story:
"I was so desperate to be out I just clung on to the first knight in shining armor to show up."

This post is getting too large already, but in light of all of this info how can there by any other conclusion for still supporting her inconsistencies and apparent lies than white knighting?
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DuneMan posted...

You already said you were more inclined to believe her. Even if you say you didn't mean it that way, your posts have consistently looked more favorably upon her in tone.

where did I say that?

I said I wasn't any more inclined to believe him than I was inclined to believe her...

My first post in this topic was saying she had consented to having sex and wasn't raped...

DuneMan posted...

In her story she describes a textbook list of things that controlling people do in relationships, like no contact with the opposite sex outside of work requirements, sequester yourself away from the world when you aren't being supervised, give your body for sex whenever it's wanted, etc. She also throws in weird details that don't make sense, like the "I think I love you too, ******" line.

She describes her time with him thusly:
"When cameras were on us? He was a prince. Turn them off, he was a nightmare."

Yet she's seeking cordiality and friendship with this person after having broken away from them more than half a year prior to that? That doesn't follow.

If you're in a mental prison landscape where you describe your life as:"During all of this I lost myself, both mentally and physically. I lost 15 lbs within weeks, started pulling out my hair (and had to get extensions regularly to hide it). I generally stopped speaking unless spoken to while with him, drifting through life like a ghost. I would try to sleep in as late as possible so my days were shorter. I stopped listening to music entirely. I ceased to be. I was an ex-person."

Then you certainly don't want any more contact with that. Friends and family would certainly have told her the same thing if that is how her life had been playing out at that time. Hell, she says as much in her story:
"I was so desperate to be out I just clung on to the first knight in shining armor to show up."

It's just about listening to both stories and evaluating them on their own terms. You're saying this doesn't make sense, but her whole story doesn't make sense if you assume that a person who has something bad done to them will automatically defend themselves and make a rational decision for their own benefit. We know that isn't how she operates regardless of whether she's telling the truth, though. She's admitting to being a young gal with daddy issues who chases older men for that reason. She's fucked up, dude. Even if this story isn't true.
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But that logic only applies as a reason someone might not publicly mention the abuse until years later. That's why the initial allegation is investigated, and why he had his shows and appearances suspended until more details emerged.

When said details emerge though showing inconsistencies on her part, and that's coupled with a motive like anger, then substantive evidence must be supplied to counter those.

Barring such evidence being supplied, the preponderance of what is provided in this case swings in his favor. That's why you saying you aren't inclined to believe him in light of the evidence and instead still feel the same about the veracity of her initial claim comes across as white knighting.

You have to keep in mind too that those final texts from her were more than half a year after they split. That's more than 180 days to clear your head of any fog from being abused. She said that she talked to friends and professionals in that time to help her along that path. So it makes zero sense for her to seek contact. Remember she's essentially accused him of repeated rapes in their relationship. What logical reason could there be for someone to contact a rapist months later seeking more personal interaction? There shouldn't be any reason.
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cjsdowg posted...

Howl posted...

She never even said he alienated her from her family, and only mentioned 1 friend at all. You have to be utterly negligent of reality to still believe her especially after watching the YouTube video she posted the day she was at the hospital after her surgery. That video completely disproves what she f***ing said about the surgery stuff completely.

What happen in the youtube video now ?

Post #145. It shows him being loving and supportive of her and proves she straight lied about his actions at the hospital.
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