Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 447: Change The World

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This is an embarrassment so far
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LOL. Was that a guillotine or a Kama Sutra position from CM Punk. #UFC225

oh man I wish I was watching this it sounds even better than his first fight
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thatt was the first mma fight i've actually ever watched, it was pretty fun

but yeah punk was never in it
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Only caught the third round

He looked out of shape, out matched, and just like he didn't belong

Shame
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ScareChan posted...

Only caught the third round

He looked out of shape, out matched, and just like he didn't belong

Shame

That was about right, yeah. I'm no expert but he just didn't look right. Slower, technique nowhere near as sharp as other fighters I've seen

I marked out for that one takedown he got though.

But hey good on him for going the distance
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I mean there would have been something horribly wrong if he didn't

As it is it was still horribly bad
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Round one wasn't so bad. Some people said he may have even won round one because he got a take down. But he was completely gassed. The CM Punk/Mike Jackson fight had me reminiscent of the McGregor/Mayweather. Outsider outclassed. Punk had sparks of something but severally lacked the Strength and Conditioning to do just about anything. Jackson's arrogance kept Punk in. Should have been out in Round 2.
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That Jackson performance... man they did not want Punk getting melted by their uber jobber. If Jackson lands another fight...

Who could they conceivably get that would be a fair fight for Punk?
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neonreaper posted...

That Jackson performance... man they did not want Punk getting melted by their uber jobber. If Jackson lands another fight...

Who could they conceivably get that would be a fair fight for Punk?

Punk won't fight again. His value is all done now.
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They would need to create a celebrity division for freakshow fights if they want Punk to win.

Even though I think he won round 1, those spinning kicks were really bad. Jackson is one of the worst fighters I've ever seen.
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I had him easily behind round 1. Just some odd flailing kicks and a takedown that did nothing and led to heavy punishment as they stood up. Like his best weapon was laughed up and he ate a good liver shot. It was hard to watch just so cringe worthy.
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NBIceman posted...

Punk won't fight again. His value is all done now.

Yeah

He signed a multi-fight contract, I remember. So when he got destroyed in the first fight, I knew there'd be a next time. But I think that's that for him now.
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How did he get 26 points? He lost 26 to 30 but the math isn't adding up unless they called round one a 10 10.
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Maybe that's what they did >_> would seem to be the only thing that makes sense
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Well now that he's lost again in UFC the only thing left for Punk to do is return at the 2019 Royal Rumble and shoot win it
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I mean, I wish Punk would just come back to the WWE for one final run.

There's a pretty basic story to tell for him as a heel, too. The original indie guy to make it big in the WWE, coming back to put all these new indie guys in their place.
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Wrestle Kenny Omega at All In.
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how does it make WWE look kayfabe-wise if he's lost to jobbers in UFC?
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GTM posted...

how does it make WWE look kayfabe-wise if he's lost to jobbers in UFC?

Wrestlers drop in power level all the time in WWE! If Jack Swagger can go from beating Orton clean to being a big ol' jobber, then the same can happen to Punk.
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I mean the WWE has already admitted with Lesnar and Rousey that having been great in UFC in the past, even if you aren't anymore, makes you way better than any of their losers, so Punk doesn't really change anything.
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Panthera posted...

Well now that he's lost again in UFC the only thing left for Punk to do is return at the 2019 Royal Rumble and shoot win it

Came here to make this joke.
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unfortunately I feel like half the roster now has a better chance at shoot doing anything than punk
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eaedwards6400 posted...

How did he get 26 points? He lost 26 to 30 but the math isn't adding up unless they called round one a 10 10.

round one 10-9
round two 10-9
round three 10-8

30 - 26
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Ha dude who beat punk just got cut.
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i really believe punk when he keeps saying he's done with wrestling and has no interest. and when i say that, i mean, right now, at least a year away before his position could begin to soften
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I don't think Punk is going back to wrestling anytime soon.

This man is so miserable and bitter and was crying having to recollect how he felt in his last months of his wrestling career because of how badly he felt about it. He had said he just felt so relieved to finally put his entire wrestling career behind him. It's like a trauma for him.
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Panthera posted...

I mean the WWE has already admitted with Lesnar and Rousey that having been great in UFC in the past, even if you aren't anymore, makes you way better than any of their losers, so Punk doesn't really change anything.

Not exactly. Rousey was great, so was Lesnar. What has Punk done in UFC that would make him great? He hasnt won and has looked bad in both of his fights.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

Not exactly. Rousey was great, so was Lesnar. What has Punk done in UFC that would make him great? He hasnt won and has looked bad in both of his fights.

My point is that both Rousey and Lesnar came to the WWE after their time at the top in UFC ended, so if you want to think UFC affects WWE kayfabe, WWE has already firmly established that a past their prime UFC star is better than any pro wrestler. Punk getting his ass handed to him doesn't really matter much.
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I guess you could say all 3 had pretty crushing back to back defeats on their way out!

Punk got off light compared to what Brock had to take.

Oh Corey is being a dick, well I'm one too.

Glad his inring career ended the way it did.
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I may have to watch this NJPW show sometime.
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Also UFC should have just done the Punk vs Green ranger fight.
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Vince brings back punk and does that Strowman ginmick where he fights local jobbers like Ellsworth.

The punchline? Punk loses to the jobbers clean.
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Panthera posted...

RaidenZeroX posted...

Not exactly. Rousey was great, so was Lesnar. What has Punk done in UFC that would make him great? He hasnt won and has looked bad in both of his fights.

My point is that both Rousey and Lesnar came to the WWE after their time at the top in UFC ended, so if you want to think UFC affects WWE kayfabe, WWE has already firmly established that a past their prime UFC star is better than any pro wrestler. Punk getting his ass handed to him doesn't really matter much.

Still wrong. Rousey and Lesnar both had time at the top of UFC, and were both established UFC stars at one point before dropping. Punk was never a UFC star. He was never on top. He was always on the bottom.

If you want to think this helps pave the way for a triumphant WWE return for Punk where he gets Lesnar or Rousey treatment you can, but that doesnt mean that its likely, especially after the way he left and the way he gets his ass handed to him in UFC. Look at how other UFC people are in WWE. Isnt Sonya Deville or however her name is spelled a former UFC or MMA person? Punk would be a lot more like her if he ever returned, because she was never a huge deal in the MMA world. If Punk hadnt made a name for himself in wrestling he probably wouldnt have even got a shot in UFC. Thats not a star. Thats just a guy. Hes the UFC equivalent of Curt Hawkins.
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RaidenZeroX posted...

Still wrong. Rousey and Lesnar both had time at the top of UFC, and were both established UFC stars at one point before dropping. Punk was never a UFC star. He was never on top. He was always on the bottom.

If you want to think this helps pave the way for a triumphant WWE return for Punk where he gets Lesnar or Rousey treatment you can, but that doesnt mean that its likely, especially after the way he left and the way he gets his ass handed to him in UFC. Look at how other UFC people are in WWE. Isnt Sonya Deville or however her name is spelled a former UFC or MMA person? Punk would be a lot more like her if he ever returned, because she was never a huge deal in the MMA world. If Punk hadnt made a name for himself in wrestling he probably wouldnt have even got a shot in UFC. Thats not a star. Thats just a guy. Hes the UFC equivalent of Curt Hawkins.

Why are you rambling about something that has literally nothing to do with anything I said
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Hes saying it does matter that punk got made to look bad.

He's not Lesnar.

Shit he aint even Bobby Lashley.
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WWE actually booking former UFC stars as gods does so much more to make UFC > WWE seem true in kayfabe that Punk's UFC career doesn't really enter the equation. A guy who left years ago and is past his physical prime gets mauled in the UFC? Well, no kidding - people who aren't amazing anymore are better than the best the WWE has to offer, of course a past his prime wrestler sucks. Him sucking on a UFC show has a lot less impact on how WWE looks than what they book on their own shows.
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My mistake, I thought you were saying that Punk would get a huge monster push if he returned.
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No problem, pro wrestling can be confusing as hell to keep it clear whether you're talking kayfabe, business, personal preference or what have you.
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Steiner posted...

eaedwards6400 posted...

How did he get 26 points? He lost 26 to 30 but the math isn't adding up unless they called round one a 10 10.

round one 10-9
round two 10-9
round three 10-8

30 - 26

D'oh. The kept saying on commentary that round 2 would probably be an 8. So I assumed it would be 8.
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Well, Brock and Rousey still were at the top of their divisions at times, and one or two losses is not too big of a deal when they built up a resume, so even if they appear as "past their prime", it's still reasonable that they'd do well in WWE. Punk never got anywhere in UFC, he doesnt even have a prime.
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His prime was the day he signed the contract and he's been past it ever since.
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Punk would be welcome with open arms and is still s draw

All he has to say is he stepped out of his comfort zone for a couple years and it wasn't for him

But now he is back to the craft he mastered over 20 years and was the longest modern era wwe champion and he can still hang with the best of em
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Punk is still the best wrestler I've ever seen.
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ScareChan posted...

Punk would be welcome with open arms and is still s draw

All he has to say is he stepped out of his comfort zone for a couple years and it wasn't for him

But now he is back to the craft he mastered over 20 years and was the longest modern era wwe champion and he can still hang with the best of em

Vince would welcome him with open arms. HHH would probably argue against it but in the end act like he is fine because he's a yes man. Last night Punk looked completely gassed and I know MMA shape are two completely different things but idk if he could do the carrying like he used to.
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davidponte posted...

His prime was the day he signed the contract and he's been past it ever since.

Yeah his prime was pretty much contract day or the days leading up to the Gall fight. Even Dana is done with him.

In general I think Punk's pro-wrestling credibility is OK but it would be hard to have him and Brock in the same atmosphere. There are some obvious and cool storylines if you can erase Brock from the picture, and even then, they can work around it... but I don't think he has any interest and he didn't waste all his money.
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Real question, who has done more to make ufc a household name besides Ronda
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McGregor
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I think he is the only one I can buy. I don't think Brock did more than Ronda and I don't think any of the other stars did either
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McGregor, Brock, and Weidman all drew better than Ronda
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Uuuuuh.....wut?
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