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SupremeZero
05/30/18 12:50:22 PM
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100%, huh.
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swordz9
05/30/18 12:53:13 PM
#52:


Key word there was almost. The amount of people who thought P5s events were good are probably fewer than the amount who would claim P1 was the best Persona
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 12:57:16 PM
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swordz9 posted...
They ruined it for almost 100% of the fans

Nah that's totally made up. It's fine if you didn't like it but you don't need to make an argument ad populum (which is a fallacy in itself) to back it up.
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tazzyboyishere
05/30/18 12:57:49 PM
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I think the events worked well in retrospect, I just wish it didn't take 80 hours to get to the revelation of why they work well.
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swordz9
05/30/18 12:58:55 PM
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And its fine if you did like it, but understand that is absolutely factually the minority opinion.
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MZero11
05/30/18 1:05:09 PM
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what do you mean by events anyway
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swordz9
05/30/18 1:13:33 PM
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MZero11 posted...
what do you mean by events anyway

School trip, beach trip, festivals, etc. theyre events used in P3-5. In 3-4 theyre among the best/funniest scenes in the game. In P5 you might as well cut them because they sure as hell didnt want you to actually be able to do anything at all in them
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Eddv
05/30/18 1:30:29 PM
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swordz9 posted...
foolm0r0n posted...
swordz9 posted...
they ruined like all the typical events people get excited about

No they didn't, you ruined it for yourself

That reminds me that 5 is by far the strongest thematically. I like 3's themes better, but 5 goes so hard into its theme.

They ruined it for almost 100% of the fans so its not just me. Youre like the only guy I have ever seen who actually thinks those events being terrible was good. Everybody else was rightfully disappointed


I was dreading like "ugh ANOTHER generic beach trip/fireworks show/School Festival" and them twisting those typical happenstances was awesome.

I just wish the celebration dinners had been more regular.
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Eddv
05/30/18 1:31:01 PM
#59:


swordz9 posted...
And its fine if you did like it, but understand that is absolutely factually the minority opinion.


Stop it.
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swordz9
05/30/18 1:34:52 PM
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Im not surprised at all to see that opinion from Eddv.
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SupremeZero
05/30/18 1:36:05 PM
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Your opinion is almost 100% based in bullshit, after all.
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swordz9
05/30/18 1:39:39 PM
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Unless opinions changed wildly in the last few months I dont think so. Its a pretty common complaint about the game. Hell if it wasnt Eddv who said it Id say his comment about the P4 cast being terrible is the weirdest post here since the cast is almost unanimously agreed to be the best by a mile.
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SupremeZero
05/30/18 1:40:41 PM
#63:


And it's fine if you feel that way, but understand that is absolutely factually the minority opinion.
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swordz9
05/30/18 1:43:24 PM
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Except its not, but I realize talking to you on this is going to go nowhere so Im done
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 2:36:51 PM
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Eddv posted...
I just wish the celebration dinners had been more regular.

Yeah those we're great cap offs to those arcs and very relatable
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 2:37:17 PM
#66:


swordz9 posted...
almost unanimously

You keep doing it lol
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colliding
05/30/18 5:00:47 PM
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Loved the events in P5! swordz seems to be lying for some reason.
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banananor
05/30/18 5:20:51 PM
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yeah, the events in 5 were so lame. it's partially why, although i do really like the persona 5 cast, i feel like they have less party chemistry than in the other games

but i guess they were realistic at least
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swordz9
05/30/18 5:21:47 PM
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I dont like being called a liar. Its one of the most complained about things people want improved in the enhanced version. You can easily look that up basically anywhere the game is talked about online. Its not an uncommon opinion in the slightest
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Eddv
05/30/18 5:23:25 PM
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Its like he doesnt even know hes doing it
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Xiahou Shake
05/30/18 5:27:48 PM
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I don't really agree with discussing stuff like this in a topic made by someone who hasn't even started the game yet, but I guess I'll put my two cents in spoiler bars.

The events in 5 were thematically amazing and in a way really ballsy, but that doesn't make them fun. All the boring/underwhelming events are great for driving home the feelings and frustrations of these characters, but in doing so constantly throughout the game you deprive them of any opportunity for real cohesion like the P4 crew had. You basically just end up with a troupe of angry teenagers who don't feel like they like each other all that much. (And I don't think you can argue that's the point - it absolutely was in P3, which was going for a "coworker" feel, but these characters are supposed to actually be friends.)

The game gets some strength from that but at the cost of its characters largely lacking moments to interact and show off the best parts of themselves. Like, when they announced P5D, I thought "oh neat, maybe these characters will finally get a chance to do something."

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swordz9
05/30/18 5:28:21 PM
#72:


Eddv posted...
Its like he doesnt even know hes doing it

I like that this is the most youve talked to me (or about me) in literally years
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Janus5k
05/30/18 5:38:20 PM
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to be fair "the majority thinks this" is a very weak argument because the majority is allowed to be dumb

P4G is still the best though
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LeonhartFour
05/30/18 5:39:05 PM
#74:


Janus5k posted...
to be fair "the majority thinks this" is a very weak argument because the majority is allowed to be dumb

P4G is still the best though


yeah our contests have been prime examples of this
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Solioxrz362
05/30/18 5:47:35 PM
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P4G is IMO better than P5. P5's story goes on a bit too long and the ending is weak. You fight a big cup until it turns into an actually cool final boss, and then it beats you and the only reason you win is because your fans shouted your name a bunch. It felt silly. Everything after that is fine, but that final battle is past my silly limit for a game that was as serious as Persona 5.

That said, P5 is super stylish and it's got the better gameplay, although I wouldn't really say I absolutely loved either P4G's or P5's gameplay. They were fine for an RPG and nothing really special.
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swordz9
05/30/18 5:56:16 PM
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Janus5k posted...
to be fair "the majority thinks this" is a very weak argument because the majority is allowed to be dumb

Thats a fair point and Im guessing what the others were trying to get across.
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 6:02:10 PM
#77:


Xiahou Shake posted...
you deprive them of any opportunity for real cohesion

I think the opposite is true but yeah it's too spoilery of a discussion for this topic
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foolm0r0n
05/30/18 6:05:52 PM
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Solioxrz362 posted...
P5's story goes on a bit too long and the ending is weak

This is true though. The last 10 hours are the weakest of the series. 4's is also bad though so it's not too surprising.

However it is also the first game in the series that seriously keeps you hooked for 100+ hours. I got sick of the gameplay in 3 and 4, especially the combat but also the social link stuff, at around 60 hours (out of ~85). So I was really surprised at how even at hour 100 I was still into the dungeons and combat. Until the very ending at least.
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05/30/18 10:13:53 PM
#79:


Gonna start the game once this update finishes

I haven't used my PS3 in forever, it's covered in dust.
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MZero11
05/30/18 10:25:40 PM
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swordz9 posted...
MZero11 posted...
what do you mean by events anyway

School trip, beach trip, festivals, etc. theyre events used in P3-5. In 3-4 theyre among the best/funniest scenes in the game. In P5 you might as well cut them because they sure as hell didnt want you to actually be able to do anything at all in them


How do some events that make up like 1% of the game ruin it

Then again it's not suprising that fans of a series would make up something silly to discredit the newest game, it happens with (almost) every series! So I don't doubt a lot of fans say that. Not that there's a problem with prefering the earlier games, but this is a silly argument against P5.
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05/30/18 10:27:47 PM
#81:


Do I lose anything by not connecting to the network? I don't have internet on my PS3 anyway, but I'm curious.
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KommunistKoala
05/30/18 10:32:14 PM
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Not sure if it's still a thing, but you lose the ability to get a free soma that you could sell to make the early game a bit easier

other than that uh...there might be some sort of online thing that lets you see what other people chose after you picked? I might be just thinking of catherine though
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LordoftheMorons
05/30/18 10:33:14 PM
#83:


There's one trophy you can't get without it (letting another player rescue you from being taken hostage). You can also use it to cheat on questions in class. But no, it doesn't really matter.
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xp1337
05/30/18 10:37:30 PM
#84:


KommunistKoala posted...
Not sure if it's still a thing, but you lose the ability to get a free soma that you could sell to make the early game a bit easier

That was the free DLC, IIRC. Not the network. Granted you'd need the internet for either.

LordoftheMorons posted...
There's one trophy you can't get without it (letting another player rescue you from being taken hostage).

No, you can get that one without internet. The network just allows you to automatically succeed the rescue.

Anyway, no, you don't lose anything significant from not having the network. It lets you see what other players did which lets you cheese questions in class but you can use a guide for that if you care about that.
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05/30/18 10:46:36 PM
#85:


Didn't know what to name the protagonist, so I named him Brent.
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WhiteLens
05/30/18 11:19:41 PM
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Well, his 'canon' name is Ren Amamiya
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05/30/18 11:22:10 PM
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WhiteLens posted...
Well, his 'canon' name is Ren Amamiya

It's Brent Johnson now!
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swordz9
05/30/18 11:26:52 PM
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MZero11 posted...
swordz9 posted...
MZero11 posted...
what do you mean by events anyway

School trip, beach trip, festivals, etc. theyre events used in P3-5. In 3-4 theyre among the best/funniest scenes in the game. In P5 you might as well cut them because they sure as hell didnt want you to actually be able to do anything at all in them


How do some events that make up like 1% of the game ruin it

Then again it's not suprising that fans of a series would make up something silly to discredit the newest game, it happens with (almost) every series! So I don't doubt a lot of fans say that. Not that there's a problem with prefering the earlier games, but this is a silly argument against P5.

I never said they ruined the game. P5 is still a good game, but it leaves a lot to be desired in parts that were incredibly good with the previous game for some of us. Like I immediately replayed 3 and 4. Ive played both multiple times. Theyre my two favorite games ever. I havent really had any interest in replaying 5 because despite it having the best gameplay I dont really care about the characters and that matters a lot to me in a JRPG.
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05/30/18 11:42:43 PM
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This is an incredibly long prologue. I've been playing for over an hour and we just got to the castle-high school, and there's been one fight the whole time at the veeeery beginning.
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tazzyboyishere
05/30/18 11:42:46 PM
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I named him Brent.

Well this topic has hit its low.
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LeonhartFour
05/30/18 11:44:12 PM
#91:


I always name the Protagonist after myself for the first playthrough because I enjoy seeing an Irish last name get Japanese honoriffics attached to it.
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05/30/18 11:45:04 PM
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tazzyboyishere posted...
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I named him Brent.

Well this topic has hit its low.

What's wrong with Brent?

LeonhartFour posted...
I always name the Protagonist after myself for the first playthrough because I enjoy seeing an Irish last name get Japanese honoriffics attached to it.

What is your name that it's especially Irish?
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LeonhartFour
05/30/18 11:45:56 PM
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swordz9
05/30/18 11:46:13 PM
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Anagram posted...
This is an incredibly long prologue. I've been playing for over an hour and we just got to the castle-high school, and there's been one fight the whole time at the veeeery beginning.

Yeah, they have pretty long prologues. I think theyre each like 2-3 hours or so
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tcaz2
05/31/18 12:07:26 AM
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Anagram posted...
This is an incredibly long prologue. I've been playing for over an hour and we just got to the castle-high school, and there's been one fight the whole time at the veeeery beginning.

That's downright fast for a Persona game tbqh
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05/31/18 12:07:58 AM
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LeonhartFour posted...
It starts with an Mc.

Oh, I thought you meant your first name. I was hoping for Seamus or something really stereotypical.
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05/31/18 12:39:00 AM
#97:


Two hours in and I've finished the first day of school.

So far I have no idea what the goal of this game is or any of the gameplay beyond very basic battle stuff, but I'm enjoying it. I like the sullen teacher lady.
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KamikazePotato
05/31/18 12:51:51 AM
#98:


Oh did I miss the topic derailment

Persona 5's story is bad and the shiny new graphics and bells/whistles in the combat system don't make up for that. Still a good game but 3 and 4 are way beter
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KamikazePotato
05/31/18 12:52:33 AM
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I like the sullen teacher lady.

https://imgur.com/I0hxJwS
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05/31/18 1:02:04 AM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Oh did I miss the topic derailment

Persona 5's story is bad and the shiny new graphics and bells/whistles in the combat system don't make up for that. Still a good game but 3 and 4 are way beter

I may pick up Persona 4 if I end up really enjoying P5. I mostly chose it out of my backlog because I want to play a JRPG that isn't FF or Pokemon.
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