Poll of the Day > when will older folks stop acting like great handwriting is required for life?

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I can guarantee you that most Younger people don't have a good or even great signature because most of what they write is online

yet I always see or hear older people shaming them because one day You'll have to sign something in real life on paper and then where will your computer be huh?

feels too much like the older generation is holding tightly to the past and won't give up because they refuse to admit their way of doing things is becoming outdated and obsolete
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ok
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I can see bad handwriting being a potential issue but in a signature? So long as one is consistent that's probably good enough. Hell, my boss sign off our projects in some bizarre way that in no way represent his name and one city actually questioned what the squiggly lines were.

NightMareBunny posted...

feels too much like the older generation is holding tightly to the past and won't give up because they refuse to admit their way of doing things is becoming outdated and obsolete

That probably applies to any generation. There's supposedly a quote of someone yay back complaining about pens and how children will not know how to write with chalk without getting it on their sleeves.

As a whole our generation seems pretty good at accepting and adapting to new technology but I wouldn't doubt it if some of us will still complain some decades from now.
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if you have a crap signature it's not something you can easily change over night you gotta practice and practice make it stick

however all the doom and gloom by older folks claiming nobody will want to deal with you if you don't have a good signature just puts more stress on younger folks who don't know any better

it's not something that should control one's life in my opinion....
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InfestedAdam posted...

I can see bad handwriting being a potential issue but in a signature? So long as one is consistent that's probably good enough. Hell, my boss sign off our projects in some bizarre way that in no way represent his name and one city actually questioned what the squiggly lines were.

NightMareBunny posted...

feels too much like the older generation is holding tightly to the past and won't give up because they refuse to admit their way of doing things is becoming outdated and obsolete

That probably applies to any generation. There's supposedly a quote of someone yay back complaining about pens and how children will not know how to write with chalk without getting it on their sleeves.

As a whole our generation seems pretty good at accepting and adapting to new technology but I wouldn't doubt it if some of us will still complain some decades from now.

yeah but what I mean is that despite all of that the older generation doesn't seem to accept that doing everything by pen and paper is horribly outdated when it comes to doing one's business

it's not only slow and time consuming but annoying as hell
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NightMareBunny posted...

if you have a crap signature it's not something you can easily change over night you gotta practice and practice make it stick

Oh I can agree. My signature is bloody inconsistent even when I attempt to sign it several times in a row. I've noticed it seems the more I try the worse it gets. I kinda just have to "go with the flow" so to speak to make it look consistent.
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NightMareBunny posted...

feels too much like the older generation is holding tightly to the past and won't give up because they refuse to admit their way of doing things is becoming outdated and obsolete

They seem just like you, to be honest.
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They spent so much time teaching us to write in cursive when I was in school

I never, ever, use that shit
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InfestedAdam posted...

NightMareBunny posted...

if you have a crap signature it's not something you can easily change over night you gotta practice and practice make it stick

Oh I can agree. My signature is bloody inconsistent even when I attempt to sign it several times in a row. I've noticed it seems the more I try the worse it gets. I kinda just have to "go with the flow" so to speak to make it look consistent.

doesn't help when one of your parents keeps guilt tripping you to make you think unless you get a great signature it'll make them look like bad parents

it's 2018 and people still get on my damn case about my hand writing being garbage....
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Nobody's signature is legible. I actually looked into George W. Bush's signature recently and found lots inconsistencies in his signatures. There were so noticeable even an untrained person like myself could easily see it.
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NightMareBunny posted...

feels too much like the older generation is holding tightly to the past and won't give up because they refuse to admit their way of doing things is becoming outdated and obsolete

No matter how "outdated and obsolete" the old way of doing things maybe it's still good to learn from your elders and have that skill. Even more so a essential skill like handwriting. For whatever reason you may need to write things manually and being too reliant on technology is never a good thing as for whatever reason said technology may not be available when you need it. My handwriting is trash though I believe it's still legible for the most part so eh I don't care. All that matters is I have that skill.
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Why are you making this topic again?
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Smarkil posted...

Why are you making this topic again?

.... because he doesn't understand adult things.
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Lol when you can't write they are going to have you put shaped blocks into their respective holes just to make sure you're sentient or not.

NightMareBunny posted...

however all the doom and gloom by older folks claiming nobody will want to deal with you if you don't have a good signature just puts more stress on younger folks who don't know any better

no one does this.

likehelly posted...

NightMareBunny posted...

however all the doom and gloom by older folks claiming nobody will want to deal with you if you don't have a good signature just puts more stress on younger folks who don't know any better

no one does this.

I guess my family's a bunch of morons then
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i don't think that was ever in question tbh

I thought we had this conversation like a week or two ago... At least about the handwriting part.

Mead posted...

They spent so much time teaching us to write in cursive when I was in school

I never, ever, use that shit

Anyway, I feel the same. Not to mention, I switch schools between grades, so I was learning it for more years in a row. Which sucked, because then I started using it for everything for years. And cursive was not meant to be used for most things...

As for my signature, it's semi-legible if you try to read it. But most f the time, it doesn't matter because my name if printed somewhere close by. And my signature is easily disguisable to me from forgeries. Only one person can even come close to making a signature look like mine. Haha.
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LinkPizza posted...

I thought we had this conversation like a week or two ago... At least about the handwriting part.

And here I thought NMB had finally vanished. =x

InfestedAdam posted...

I can see bad handwriting being a potential issue

Yeah, bad handwriting can be a pretty issue. While there's less use for handwriting today, being able to jot down a note you can read later (a major problem for me), etc, is still very important. Plus great penmanship is a skill unto itself which people appreciate.

NightMareBunny posted...

yeah but what I mean is that despite all of that the older generation doesn't seem to accept that doing everything by pen and paper is horribly outdated when it comes to doing one's business

You know that typewriters were a thing for like a century, right? It's not like pen & paper have been the *only* way people did everything. Businesses would hire skilled typists. However, that didn't mean that handwriting wasn't important then and now.

Mead posted...

They spent so much time teaching us to write in cursive when I was in school

I never, ever, use that shit

Yeah, that I never really got. And, frankly, I have a hard enough time reading most peoples' print handwriting, cursive just makes it more likely to be sloppy and illegible.

wwinterj25 posted...

Smarkil posted...

Why are you making this topic again?

.... because he doesn't understand adult things.

NMB in a nutshell.
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Fyi, "or even" is for a lesser standard, suggesting the bar is lower than expected despite what you said, not a standard that would be assumed inapplicable from your previous statement.
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likehelly posted...

LinkPizza posted...

I thought we had this conversation like a week or two ago... At least about the handwriting part.

It's like he has a superpower where the only thing his eyes are capable of seeing are things that validate his opinions and he needs that constantly. Everything else doesn't exist.
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I used cursive all the time and it's still my preferred way to write out something long. When you use it a lot, it really is a lot faster than printing.

My signature is consistent and readable. But signatures barely matter for most daily things. I can literally make a random shape or just print initials on most things and no one cares.
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Not knowing cursive means not understanding old documents El Ogro de las Americas.
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My hand writing is legible, but not pretty and considering that you still hafta sign your name on lots of important documents, it Is important that ya know how to write.
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So youre telling you cant type or write for shit? What have you been doing in your free time.

Also, thank you to helly because I didnt feel like screenshotting and uploading that.
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Lil_Bit83 posted...

My hand writing is legible, but not pretty and considering that you still hafta sign your name on lots of important documents, it Is important that ya know how to write.

true but as long as someone can read it then that should be good enough
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InfestedAdam posted...

I can see bad handwriting being a potential issue but in a signature? So long as one is consistent that's probably good enough. Hell, my boss sign off our projects in some bizarre way that in no way represent his name and one city actually questioned what the squiggly lines were.

My favorite what the fuck!? signature.
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Nah I'm 32 my signature isn't consistent at all and my handwriting looks like a 10 year olds. I get by

Moonjay posted...

I used cursive all the time and it's still my preferred way to write out something long. When you use it a lot, it really is a lot faster than printing.

Which makes sense. I believe one of the many reasons we learned cursive was that it was a faster way of writing. But most people don't seem to have legible writing in cursive...
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I don't have a huge use for it but I'm not going to get my panties in a bunch over it being taught. We are taught many things that we rarely use. I want to teach my kids cursive anyway but will not push it if they don't care.

We have a lot of old family documents, letters, framed family trees that are written in a beautiful hand. It is kind of said that art is being lost.

I took a calligraphy class in college as a fine art major. I don't use it at all but it seemed to help further eye-hand coordination and attention to detail that lent itself to my other classes.
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it doesn't matter what you write when you make a signature in most cases. You can literally make a big X mark and if you say that's your signature, then that's your signature. The important part is you being in agreement with whatever you sign which is what your mark represents

However things like credit card receipts, a mismatched signature can be used as a cause to dispute a charge, essentially 'that's not me who signed that!'

Also banks still use signatures as a backup identification method. And suppose you still write checks, disparities between signatures that get picked up by the bank's software will often lead to investigation on wtf is going on with that persons usage of their check writing privileges

There's other cases I'm sure, but those seem to be the most relevant to most people

Illegible signatures are harder to forge.
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NightMareBunny posted...

yet I always see or hear older people shaming them because one day You'll have to sign something in real life on paper and then where will your computer be huh?

Always meaning you heard in once, if that?
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ugh

cursive.

I don't know even remember how to write in cursive, as a kid I didn't like it either because it was pointless.

the teacher was all, "every adult writes this way"

I was, "then why have I never seen or heard of it til now"

and now that I'm grown up? I've seen someone write in cursive maybe 6 times

likehelly posted...

ugh

cursive.

I don't know even remember how to write in cursive, as a kid I didn't like it either because it was pointless.

Yeah, learning new stuff is so pointless. I already knew everything I needed before I hit double digit years too.

I was, "then why have I never seen or heard of it til now"

Forced ignorance?
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it's because no one uses it you muddy clog

Learning how to write and practicing is most important.

my mom's signature was so crazy i actually had a teacher question me about it. she thought i was bluffing when she said i was ok with her calling my mom to confirm it...
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

my mom's signature was so crazy i actually had a teacher question me about it. she thought i was bluffing when she said i was ok with her calling my mom to confirm it...

Bluffing.... lol.

handwriting just seems like something that's gonna change in someway over time there's no way it won't

especially since some people can't help but have a crap signature cause they can't make anything better than just okay
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I dunno dude... My signature is literally a Z and a bunch of squiggles. No one has questioned it. I don't think people care.

I did get crap in high school for writing too small, though.
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People still complain about this? I remember hearing this crap when I was 11 years old. Now I'm 26. But learning cursive definitely ranks low on the list of useless classes I've had to take growing up.
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SilverClock posted...

People still complain about this? I remember hearing this crap when I was 11 years old. Now I'm 26. But learning cursive definitely ranks low on the list of useless classes I've had to take growing up.

maybe it's just a generational thing
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NightMareBunny posted...

handwriting just seems like something that's gonna change in someway over time there's no way it won't

What?
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hey guys im almost 30 and never worked a day in my life but its only because my writing is bad!!!
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SilverClock posted...

People still complain about this? I remember hearing this crap when I was 11 years old. Now I'm 26. But learning cursive definitely ranks low on the list of useless classes I've had to take growing up.

This is funny because TC is an 11 year old trapped in a 28 year olds body.
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What if NMB is proposing that we tie a great handwriting requirement into life? Like maybe he's suggesting that there be a writing test and the losers will be executed? I, for one, don't like NMB's horrible suggestion!
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I would bet that the mentioned idea is going to die out within two generations.
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