Board 8 > NBA Topic 5.5: Ya'll let it purge while I was away.

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KCF0107 posted...

Extha rambling,

wow I am hurt

Kemba to the Knicks or Pistons makes the most sense for me. Adding him to the Cavs doesn't really put them over the top, but then again neither does getting DeAndre Jordan.
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Cavs should trade for Avery "Kyrie/Steph stopper" Bradley and give up that Brooklyn pick.
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Contract/salary-wise, the Knicks seem to match up badly with the Hornets given what the latter is trying to achieve. It would require a third team.
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Boogie has the first 40-20-10 game since Kareem did it in the '70s.
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So Derrick Rose can leave for two months because he's emotionally scarred about being bad at basketball now but Kevin Love misses half a game and one practice and they demanding a doctor's note.

Cleveland is a fuckin' mess ya'll
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Holy shit Boogie
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ExThaNemesis posted...

So Derrick Rose can leave for two months because he's emotionally scarred about being bad at basketball now but Kevin Love misses half a game and one practice and they demanding a doctor's note.

Cleveland is a fuckin' mess ya'll

The crazy thing is Love has been really good this year even though he has been forced into the Center role because TT cant do anything anymore
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LeBron playing a passive aggressive blame game for his team's struggles? Well I never
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I'm trying to work out why Magic tickets are twice as much tonight as normal for the Kings of all people. It's so bizarre

maybe the price goes up for winnable games?
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People want to see who out tanks the other team
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Oh the all star reserves were reported to be:

EAST:
John Wall
Kyle Lowry
Victor Oladipo
Bradley Beal
Kevin Love
Kristaps Porzingis
Al Horford

WEST:
Russell Westbrook
Damian Lillard
Klay Thompson
Jimmy Butler
Draymond Green
LaMarcus Aldridge
Karl Towns

Seems mostly correct, no CP3 but the injuries early on probably hurt him
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can't find specific disagreements, but also don't know the list of snubs offhand (cp3 aside)
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Horford over Drummond is the only snub I can think of off hand.
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that's not a snub. I would sooner look at Love over Drummond.
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I haven't looked that close but I think Paul George might be the biggest snub? it's really between him and Lillard for the last wild card spot.

and I guess Lou Williams holy cow is he balling the last 20 games
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Horford is literally a big man averaging less than 8 rebounds a game.
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see: Green, Draymond
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transcience posted...

see: Green, Draymond

Who's not really a big man.
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how is he not a big man

Horford has been an intangibles guy his whole career. he just produces wins at every stop. he led Atlanta to 60 wins when they didn't really have much at all and he's the glue of that Boston team. I'd call him an all star ahead of Kyrie.
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transcience posted...

Horford has been an intangibles guy his whole career.

And back when he was putting up better numbers he should be on the all star team.

Not anymore.

transcience posted...

how is he not a big man

How many big men are also asked to be one of the team's best perimeter defenders?
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Horford is the second best player on the conference's best team. He was a lock for that reason alone.
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Lebron? Giannis? KD? probably 10 other guys? Draymond often plays center.
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transcience posted...

Lebron? Giannis? KD? probably 10 other guys? Draymond often plays center.

None of those guys are Horford style big men so I'm not sure why you're bring them up.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

Horford is the second best player on the conference's best team. He was a lock for that reason alone.

I'd rather people just argue this. Swap Drummond and Horford's teams and guess who sits at home.
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Drummond, because that team isn't close to as good without Horford
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transcience posted...

Drummond, because that team isn't close to as good without Horford

And the Pistons are likely worse with Horford considering Drummond's consistency is largely why they haven't fallen harder.

Boston's still likely a top 2 team thanks to Drummond's monster rebounding.
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heh I just realized that Oladipo is an all star and George isn't

what a weird 180 that trade has been
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horford's better at basketball than drummond. worse at "being a big" but way better to have on your team.

he legit is falling odf in jam but dude was beasting before.
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If record is everything the Heat would probably have one I think

Then again their best player is Dragic and theres way too much competition at the guard position. In both conferences.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

horford's better at basketball than drummond.

Horford's the better intangible guy.

Guarantee you if he was asked to be the best player on that Pistons team, who even with Drummond are one of the worst rebounding teams in the league, they're 10 games below .500 right now.
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transcience posted...

heh I just realized that Oladipo is an all star and George isn't

what a weird 180 that trade has been

George should probably be an all-star too.
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I don't think Wall should have made it. there's a guard spot that could have been available.
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And this is coming from someone who's been pretty down on Drummond the past two seasons. His previous all-star appearance wasn't even that justified.
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Even if Wall doesnt theres still strong cases for Kemba Walker and Ben Simmons IMO
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Avery Bradley is averaging 16.6 fga but only scoring 15.0 ppg in his 10 games since returning.

Real talk, is he a spy for you guys? Saboteur, even?
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But then again I guess that Wall spot could very well go to Drummond too

Oh well who knows maybe an injury gets Drummond in
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bradley has never been particularly efficient as a scorer. he doesn't shoot FTs and he can't really dribble or distribute. reggie jackson being out hurts him as much as it hurts anyone. he's generally improved marginally at shooting each year he's been in the league but his bread and butter shot is a curl 16- to 18-footer - which leaves him very vulnerable to streakiness
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Id take Horford but Im biased for sure. What do the advanced stats say?
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https://twitter.com/dmay706/status/953686644581810176

now this I agree with
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Win Shares per 48
Horford: .190 WS/48
Drummond: .201 WS/48

Wins Produced per 48
Horford: .250 WP48
Drummond: .401 WP48

Wins Produced:
Horford: 7.3
Drummond: 11.8

I don't use PER cause it's a junk stat and I'm sure Horford is better in certain individual stats like true shooting percentage, but overall Drummond has been better than Horford.
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ESPN's RPM prefers Horford.
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SeabassDebeste posted...

ESPN's RPM prefers Horford.

Don't trust any stat that factors in other's performances.
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lol, horford's value comes from making others play better when he's on the court. and no stat does not depend on others' performance, especially for big men, who need to be fed the ball to do anything.

it's not a coincidence that horford's floor spacing is better for an offense than drummond getting points when people lob it to him.
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#fakestats
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ya go my Spurs
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Players Only Broadcasts are fucking terrible
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SeabassDebeste posted...

and no stat does not depend on others' performance,

Yes it literally does. It's initially derived and factors in standard plus/minus into a calculation, which by nature is a team based stat. This is a common criticism across the internet about RPM.

And unlike wins produced, none of the actual calculation is public (or not that I'm aware of). It's just ESPN desperate for their own NBA equivalent of WAR.

So like PER, it's a stat based on a fundamentally flawed premise.
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maybe the pistons should play better
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CherryCokes posted...

maybe the pistons should play better

Your player is sabotaging our team.

We are literally better with Luke Kennard in the starting lineup.
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