Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 129: Harvey Wallbuilder

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transience posted...

I don't agree with the people killing Trump over this - if it was Obama, I would push back so I should be consistent - but congress, on the other hand

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/901871687532208128

Nah, Trump proposed cuts to FEMA in order to increase the military budget, he deserves the hate.
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I mean things like blasting him for promoting that book instead of doing something about the weather as if he's some kind of god. yeah, that book is terrible and Trump deserves dirt thrown at him but stick to things he can control. no matter the funding, this was going to be a tragedy,
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how is the president doing something unconstitutional necessarily equal to "more government," though?

Because pattern recognition? I don't intend to claim that every single case of unconstitutional action is an overreach, but I think that if you and I were to launch a historical analysis of unconstitutional actions, we'd find a lot more impact from overreach than from "underreach". And I'm certain that SmartMuffin believes that government overreach has been, not just impactful, but more damaging than government underreach ever could be. (Because if the government ever underreaches, then the free market magically solves everything, of course.)
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Imo, the thing with the book is that in this time of mourning, concern, and emergency, he's not at all worried. He's oblivious to their plight and just doing his usual thing.
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If you want to shit on anybody for this, look at Cruz and Cornyn and their votes for Hurricane Sandy relief and their inevitable begging for relief funding here.
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Reg posted...

If you want to shit on anybody for this, look at Cruz and Cornyn and their votes for Hurricane Sandy relief and their inevitable begging for relief funding here.

yeah, this is what I mean.
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It's amazing how releif funding is just a universal constant for Democrats other than that one guy, while for Republicans it's 99% just another partisan game.
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I've seen people saying that if you want to donate, do it to a better charity than Red Cross

Anyone have any info on that?
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when the tsunami hit like a decade ago, I donated to doctors without borders
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Jakyl25 posted...

I've seen people saying that if you want to donate, do it to a better charity than Red Cross

Anyone have any info on that?

People always find something to complain about charities that aren't their specific preference.
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The only big charity I'm aware of having major issues is Susan B. Komen.
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Jakyl25 posted...

I've seen people saying that if you want to donate, do it to a better charity than Red Cross

Anyone have any info on that?

Its just because Red Cross will only spend on this disaster what they were going to spend anyway and use the rest for more minor disasters they wont get as much fundrasing for.

If you care about 100% of your money going to communities then the answer is a local charity
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xp1337 posted...

do we even have lurkers

*waves*
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The IRC and doctors without borders are my go to charities.

But yes, if you care about your money going toward a specific disaster, local charities tend to be a good bet.
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/901942677461229569

..."thanks?"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIQJPX5VoAAl6eU?format=jpg&name=large

That sounds like a dare
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So did I understand right that Gorka didn't step down because of a disagreement with Donald, but rather because he thinks he can help him better outside of the White House?
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That's what Gorka says

He thinks the Globalists have entrenched themselves too deeply in the Trump administration for him to have any influence spreading his (white) nationalism and Islamophobia
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News crews are helping to evacuate people from the hurricane damage now.

But remember, the media is The Enemy of the American People
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Oh hey MenuWars, you thought the police were over-militarized now...

http://amp.usatoday.com/story/606065001/
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Gorka was pushed out by Kelly and then wrote a fake resignation letter to save face
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Possible minor Game of Thrones spoilers (haven't watched yet):

https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/902002875181613056
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I dunno, Trump has had some un-self-aware doozies
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https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/901947944579940352

This is a good point.

Obama on Twitter is directing people on how they can help the Hurricane victims.

Meanwhile all Trump's Hurricane tweets are just like "Wow that's a lot of water!"
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I think you guys are going overboard with politicizing the hurricane tweets. He seems to be responding appropriately on the ground, with a Trumpian spin on the communications. Don't cry wolf... I'm sure there will be plenty of other things in the next few months to criticize him to death for
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Gotta keep the topic moving with something.

Still confused about "Thanks!"
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By the way, people have used "cry wolf" so much and you never really question it...

But isn't the more rational take on the fable that you should still investigate even if someone has repeatedly tricked you before?

"Oh well the boy shouldn't have lied and now he's dead, hope he learned a lesson" seems a little cruel
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LordoftheMorons posted...

Gorka was pushed out by Kelly and then wrote a fake resignation letter to save face

Why is it that as Kelly forces the white nationalist contingent out of the White House, Trump himself is going hardcore white nationalist? Like is that his way of pushing back on attempts to rein the administration in?

I guess if Trump gives another Unhinged Tuesday Rant™ this week, Stephen Miller probably shouldn't make plans past Friday.
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I think it's because recent events have forced him to comment on white nationalism, and when he goes off the cuff he reveals that, at the very least, he knows he should SAY it's bad but he doesn't really understand why.

And the Arpaio pardon was always going to happen. The timing made it a bad coincidence for him.
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MrGreenonion posted...

Like is that his way of pushing back on attempts to rein the administration in?

It's tough for me to know which reporting is gossip/speculation and what is real, but I've definitely heard reports that Trump likes to act contrary to his advisors at times to "show them who's in charge."

So it absolutely could be that.

It might also be that he wants to push back against the idea that these people are being removed because the administration (read: Trump) thinks they're wrong because it would imply that he was wrong in hiring them or something so he doubles down.

i dunno

I usually view what happens through the lens of either "whatever explanation seems stupidest is probably right" or "what would someone who believes in a parody of 'alpha' think is the move to make"
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Jakyl25 posted...

By the way, people have used "cry wolf" so much and you never really question it...

But isn't the more rational take on the fable that you should still investigate even if someone has repeatedly tricked you before?

"Oh well the boy shouldn't have lied and now he's dead, hope he learned a lesson" seems a little cruel

well it's a story for kids, not an instruction manual for first responders. The dead kid in the story isn't supposed to have learned a lesson, the dumb kid you're reading the story to is so he doesn't waste everyone's time by pretending there are wolves around.
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Jakyl25 posted...

By the way, people have used "cry wolf" so much and you never really question it...

But isn't the more rational take on the fable that you should still investigate even if someone has repeatedly tricked you before?

"Oh well the boy shouldn't have lied and now he's dead, hope he learned a lesson" seems a little cruel

Given unlimited resources, sure, but that's not feasible. You only have so much time and energy to investigate stuff.

I'm not sure how the allegory applies to our situation though.
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trdl23 posted...

I'm not sure how the allegory applies to our situation though.

Seph is saying that:

1. The Hurricane tweets aren't something worth calling out
2. By 1, calling it out is crying wolf in that you're calling out something that is nothing and so people won't take you seriously when you call out something later that is something.

Whether you agree or not largely, but not entirely, depends on your position on 1.
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Well this is an all-purpose Trump grievance topic

I don't think we're fighting for hearts and minds in here.
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Hey, the question was how it applied to this situation!
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I mean, we did just have a long discussion about not responding to Ulti posts.

Not quite the same when you're talking about the president, but...
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Has anyone in these topics switched sides about being pro or anti-Trump?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Has anyone in these topics switched sides about being pro or anti-Trump?

Closest I can think of is ExTha and Corrik showing signs/saying that they've become disillusioned with Trump.
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I think it would be hard to go from anti-Trump to pro-Trump as he's essentially been what was expected but worse.

Both Corrik and Extha have been "uhh this is not what I expected" at times. Besides Ulti, these are really the only two pro-Trump people I can really think of tbqh, though.

MWC doesn't count because he is not a real person. All the other conservative posters here are not what I would consider to be "pro Trump".
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I will say I am very happy that Mattis/McMaster/Kelly all somehow found their way into his administration. I will feel somewhat safe as long as those three all hold important positions of power.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

Jakyl25 posted...

By the way, people have used "cry wolf" so much and you never really question it...

But isn't the more rational take on the fable that you should still investigate even if someone has repeatedly tricked you before?

"Oh well the boy shouldn't have lied and now he's dead, hope he learned a lesson" seems a little cruel

well it's a story for kids, not an instruction manual for first responders. The dead kid in the story isn't supposed to have learned a lesson, the dumb kid you're reading the story to is so he doesn't waste everyone's time by pretending there are wolves around.

The boy doesn't die in that story. The wolves eat all the villagers' sheep and everyone suffers.
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oh, all the fables in my fable book ended in death. The Tortoise and the Hare was a Death Race situation for me.
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

oh, all the fables in my fable book ended in death. The Tortoise and the Hare was a Death Race situation for me.

That's hilariously morbid.
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StealThisSheen posted...

It's an Ulti tactic he's been using for years. He'll be nice to a few people that oppose him, then go "I've been good. Just ask ____."

Can confirm. He has done this with me numerous times and im ashamed to say that it was quite effective at causing me to think he was considerably less terrible.

Im immune to such tactics now but it took a lot longer than it should have
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xp1337 posted...

Seph is saying that:

1. The Hurricane tweets aren't something worth calling out
2. By 1, calling it out is crying wolf in that you're calling out something that is nothing and so people won't take you seriously when you call out something later that is something.

well, that's an incredbily stupid argument.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/politics/trumps-business-sought-deal-on-a-trump-tower-in-moscow-while-he-ran-for-president/2017/08/27/d6e95114-8b65-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html



Compare that with:

7/5/2017
THE HILL - Trump Organization renews domain names for Russian business prospects

The Trump Organization renewed claims on more than 1,000 web domains registered under the group?s general counsel, including TrumpTowerMoscow.com and TrumpRussia.com, Politico reported.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/340762-trump-organization-renews-trumprussiacom
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Jakyl25 posted...

Oh hey MenuWars, you thought the police were over-militarized now...

http://amp.usatoday.com/story/606065001/

How could this possibly go wrong!?!?!
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@Eddv as our resident US historian, what are your thoughts on this article?

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-is-a-19th-century-president-facing-21st-century-problems/amp/

My initial reaction is that the comparison has some merit, but I'm familiar only with broad strokes of the 19th century and the particulars are missing for me.
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So what's Trump up to this morning on Twitter:

-RTing lies about Obama to justify his Arpaio pardon

-RTing D'Souza saying the REAL violence is from the left.

-RTing a Mother Teresa quote about how we shouldn't let nationalities come between us


Oy vey
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Jakyl25 posted...

So what's Trump up to this morning on Twitter:

-RTing lies about Obama to justify his Arpaio pardon

-RTing D'Souza saying the REAL violence is from the left.

-RTing a Mother Teresa quote about how we shouldn't let nationalities come between us


Oy vey

Meanwhile, in Texas...
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