Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 416: The Perroless Road of the GFW Champion

(+) Yeah! (+)

Opposed in perpetuity by the stable of

Little Guido
Little Spike Dudley
Little Beaver
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The ShowCass Showdown
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I only hope they are all overcome by the new coalition of Medium Miz and Just Right Randy
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Regularly Rated Roman Reigns.
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Reading Raw results...

...did they give away a bunch of Summerslam matches a week before the show?
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JetJaguar posted...

Reading Raw results...

...did they give away a bunch of Summerslam matches a week before the show?

They did the cruiserweights. What else?
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StealThisSheen posted...

JetJaguar posted...

Reading Raw results...

...did they give away a bunch of Summerslam matches a week before the show?

They did the cruiserweights. What else?

Bray Wyatt beat Finn Balor (and dumped a bucket of blood onto him), though they're advertising the summerslam match as DEMON Balor vs Bray Wyatt.
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Oh, well that's completely different.
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And Jason Jordan vs Miz
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JetJaguar posted...

And Jason Jordan vs Miz

I thought that isn't on SummerSlam now. Is it back on?
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So, that justification for Demon Balor; what a disgustingly awful feud. Any random podcaster probably had ideas way better than WWE pulled off after 3-4 weeks. They've made me hate and dread anything Bray Wyatt says, does, or anyone he fights with. FUCK YOU WWE! You turned Bray into a Dolph Ziggler: an unwatchable, unmemorable mess of a character that means nothing. I knew it was coming eventually, but the reality of that is just disgusting. It's like all the bad Kane storylines and character destruction, without the realization that Kane was linked to the Undertaker, had a good 1-2 year run before it went to hell, and gets every free pass

I just had to remind myself Bray was WWE Champion this year. I could swear it never happened.
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Great to have that stuff headlining again
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I don't any character has been more hurt by WWE's oversaturation and overexposure than Wyatt
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Wyatt is about six months and one Vince moodswing away from being repackaged as the 2017 version of Rico -- The New Face of Queer.
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I'm about to say it

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I don't care that you broke your elbow

No but really Windham Rotunda is overrated other than his promos. At this point, his matches are boring and his character is, both at the fault of him and his booking, pretty bad and has been pretty bad for a while now.
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Well, since that feud with the shield, who has benefited from being in a war with Wyatt?
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His promos are probably the most overrated aspect imo
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The delivery of his promos are good.

The content is not. And I'm pretty sure I read once that he isn't scripted like most others.

All I know is that there's not a single feud anymore that I want Wyatt too be involved with. I always felt that the Wyatt Family could have been so much more, but they never actually actualized it. Bray could still be even more if anything he did made any kind of sense. Like red paint? Really? Creepy stuff he does has to have purpose and a proper atmosphere. Bray Wyatt tossing a can of what I guess was supposed to be blood onto Finn Balor and giggling while he flopped around in a fully lit wrestling ring doesn't work.
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Delivery has good aspects to it, but isn't what I'd call good. He yells, laughs, etc etc, at seemingly random times. Laughing especially is way overused.

It's kinda like crummy guys in old school TNA where they'd yell a lot. But then you'd sit back and say "well why did they yell there" and it wasn't clear-- but in the heat of the promo it made it sound exciting.
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I think vampiro even in his lucha underground run was closer to what I wanted out of Wyatt.

And Wyatt had a lot more to work with than vampiro.
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scarletspeed7 posted...

JetJaguar posted...

And Jason Jordan vs Miz

I thought that isn't on SummerSlam now. Is it back on?

I'm willing to wager we get a rematch of Miztourage vs Hardys/Jordan on the pre show
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Man that match is like, the poster child for how badly WWE Creative botches people nowadays.

Hardyz were one of the hottest acts in wrestling 5 months ago. Now they're just dudes.

Late last year Miz had great segments with Daniel Bryan and Dolph Ziggler and actually made the IC Title relevant again-- now that's just his catchphrase.

Jordan wasn't anything huge with American Alpha, but they were an enjoyable tag team that the fans liked-- now he gets "die Rocky die" heat.

I guess Axel and Bo are shockingly not worse off than they were a few months ago, at least, but I can at least say the Miztourage is a hideous name.
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Lopen posted...

I guess Axel and Bo are shockingly not worse off than they were a few months ago, at least, but I can at least say the Miztourage is a hideous name.

Even though it wouldn't fit Miz's gimmick, given their past in the Social Outcasts I still kind of wish they were the Mizfits
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I honestly wish Axel and Bo were like, unwanted lackeys, used as backup once when Miz was desperate and now trying to help Miz and screwing things up while Miz just wants them to go away. Mizfits would fit that.

It'd have more future I feel than what they're doing here.
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I like the schtick of Miz always claiming to have changed their lives and that they're better off in the Miztourage when... Pretty much nothing has changed.
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I don't know about that

They're on TV now!
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Considering that they're probably (in kayfabe, and also presumably reality?) getting paid the same but now they get their asses kicked every other Monday, you could argue that Miz has made their lives worse.
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Kayfabe ya gotta fight to go to dat pay window. Wrestlers want matches!
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They don't even get many matches though, they mostly just stand around during interviews or run interference. 100% of the pain, maybe 20% of the gain.
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Don't you in kayfabe get a purse for each match you sign for?
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voltch posted...

Don't you in kayfabe get a purse for each match you sign for?

This has never actually been confirmed and has been implicitly denied via the punishment system used on cowardly heels.
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God how I wish the WWE would make some sort of semi-official ruling on how its wrestlers are paid in kayfabe. Even if it's like the whole "tag teams can break up one pinfall without a DQ" limit that is followed religiously but never mentioned and it's only vaguely referenced, I would love to at least have some idea of whether heels are costing themselves money by running away or if ducking challenges until the PPV is financially advantageous to them.
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I mean the Hardy's were ruined more by legal circumstances than WWE creative considering their biggest draw of the past year they really can't do.
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Do you really believe that, though?

If you're creative there are ways to use the Hardyz while still keeping the broken flavor, or something that's at least vaguely compelling. Like you can't trademark mannerisms, etc. Just don't call them "Broken" let them continue to act nuts. To me this just seems like a convenient excuse to use them as another nostalgia act much like they did with the Dudleyz when they came back, because that's all they know how to do.
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They do use vague references to the Broken gimmick.

But keep in mind the high point of the Hardy's broken run was literally a pre-recorded match at their house.

Did anyone really care about the Hardy's average TNA promo or appearance in the ring?
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TheRock1525 posted...

They do use vague references to the Broken gimmick.

But keep in mind the high point of the Hardy's broken run was literally a pre-recorded match at their house.

Did anyone really care about the Hardy's average TNA promo or appearance in the ring?

More than they do now

And there were pre-recorded stuff constantly, beyond the Final Deletion
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Yeah.

Very vague references thrown in with a nostalgia act.

Like you can't literally do the exact same things the Broken Hardyz did, but you're telling me there's no way to do anything with vaguely the same kinda feel? I mean hell that stupid House of Horrors thing didn't seem too far off from the general gist of the kinda things you'd need to give them to make them stand out. Or if you wanna keep it a lot more grounded just... let them do anything but fall into the tag title shuffle (it doesn't boost Sheamus & Cesaro up to be having a 50/50 feud with them it brings them down) and you've by default got something better.

They should have been closer to the world title scene than the tag title scene, frankly. Maybe have em win the tag titles to elevate those as tag feuds start mingling with world title feuds, but yeah. They're literally doing the exact same thing they did with the Dudleyz with them and blaming the legal issues really only goes so far.
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the Broken Hardyz stuff doesn't seem to work as well without Borash.

His role in all of this, seems to have been swept under the rug.
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Lopen posted...

Like you can't trademark mannerisms, etc.

Not so sure about that

WWE took 1996 WCW to court because they thought Scott Hall was acting too much like Razor Ramon
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I think the whole Breezango thing should just lead to the Hardyz being Twin Peaks like comically insane villains.
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TheRock1525 posted...

They do use vague references to the Broken gimmick.

But keep in mind the high point of the Hardy's broken run was literally a pre-recorded match at their house.

Did anyone really care about the Hardy's average TNA promo or appearance in the ring?

This only works if you think Final Deletion was the Zenith.

And even if it was it was a STAPLE of that show to be checking in on the strange happenings in Cameron and it wasnt really bleeding momentum through the feud with Decay.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Lopen posted...

Like you can't trademark mannerisms, etc.

Not so sure about that

WWE took 1996 WCW to court because they thought Scott Hall was acting too much like Razor Ramon

Did they win, though?
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voltch posted...

the Broken Hardyz stuff doesn't seem to work as well without Borash.

His role in all of this, seems to have been swept under the rug.

They also need proper villains.

Which wwe even has in the form of the Wyatts.

Its just baffling.

Theres a reason the Broken Hardyz didnt feud with The Wolves.
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Delete or Decay was better than Final Deletion.

Delete or Decay got two tag teams over in phenomenal fashion.
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And hell even if they did win WWF had like 90x the case to having any sort of claim on the character of Razor Ramon.
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It's prolly part of why a bunch of people want the Hardyz to go into developmental to work with Sanity.

Which just sounds backwards in that context.
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I'm even pretty fond of The Great War and its attempt to meld live action with pre recorded nonsense (the fucking dude they stole the truck from coming back at the key moment is possibly the best pro wrestling moment in over a decade)
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The Great War is part of the Delete or Decay saga to me, but god that was a fantastic sequence of events. They did a really excellent job with that.
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You know I don't remember whether things got settled or a decision was rendered, but they got WCW to back down on it

It's not talked about much but the fake Razor/fake Diesel was WWE proving that they were still using those characters and mannerisms, like how Sony had to keep making Spider-Man movies to retain the rights
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Jakyl25 posted...

t's not talked about much but the fake Razor/fake Diesel was WWE proving that they were still using those characters and mannerisms, like how Sony had to keep making Spider-Man movies to retain the rights

The better example is Fox making Fantastic Four movies to retain the rights.
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