Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic: Knights of the Frozen Throne

(+) Yeah! (+)

Damn looks like they hard countered Explore Un'Goro
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Seems a little slow so I don't know if it will see that much play but eh

Ice Fishing seems pretty good though. Good Shaman Card Draw for Murloc decks


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FFDragon posted...

http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/3162-new-card-revealed-skulking-geist

holy shit they weren't kidding

rip fucking jade

(and secret paladin in wild)

Poor Gazlowe. He's the real victim of this!
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FFDragon posted...

http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/3162-new-card-revealed-skulking-geist

holy shit they weren't kidding

rip fucking jade

(and secret paladin in wild)

If it were 5 mana, I'd agree with you, but 6 makes it a hard card to justify for that statline against other decks in the meta. It's an interesting tech choice, but I wouldn't expect to see it on ladder.
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All it takes is for the meta to have people put in their decks for a week and then Jade Druid will get played less overall.
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Perhaps; but on the flip side, anyone playing that card is likely to get destroyed by Pirate Warriors and Token Druids. 6-mana 4/6 is worthless against them, and neither deck wants to hit its 1-drops late anyways.

also if anyone's getting caught in the crossfire, it's Evolve Shamans.
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Also if we're still talking about the legendary thing... I got legendaries in the first 10 packs of every set that I opened. I even bought Old God sets and got a legendary in my 4th pack. My roommate also got a legendary in the first 10 packs of every set. He got 2 legendaries in his 3rd pack of Old Gods.

That's a little too much of a coincidence I'm thinking
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Usually you dopplegangster and evolve on turn 6 so if you play it before this card sees play it's irrelevant

Also the real win con is bloodlust
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skullbone posted...

Also if we're still talking about the legendary thing... I got legendaries in the first 10 packs of every set that I opened. I even bought Old God sets and got a legendary in my 4th pack. My roommate also got a legendary in the first 10 packs of every set. He got 2 legendaries in his 3rd pack of Old Gods.

That's a little too much of a coincidence I'm thinking

All I can tell you is that I absolutely did not get one in 13 Gadgetzan packs. And I know full well it was 13 because I paid for them all with money rather than gold.

dowolf posted...

FFDragon posted...

http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/3162-new-card-revealed-skulking-geist

holy shit they weren't kidding

rip fucking jade

(and secret paladin in wild)

If it were 5 mana, I'd agree with you, but 6 makes it a hard card to justify for that statline against other decks in the meta. It's an interesting tech choice, but I wouldn't expect to see it on ladder.

I half expect someone to come up with a deck that uses it as a self-thinner for their own deck. Kinda like the Hemet decks.

EDIT: I guess maybe not, for some reason I thought it targeted all 1 cost cards. Not just spells

ShatteredElysium posted...

dowolf posted...

FFDragon posted...

http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/3162-new-card-revealed-skulking-geist

holy shit they weren't kidding

rip fucking jade

(and secret paladin in wild)

If it were 5 mana, I'd agree with you, but 6 makes it a hard card to justify for that statline against other decks in the meta. It's an interesting tech choice, but I wouldn't expect to see it on ladder.

I half expect someone to come up with a deck that uses it as a self-thinner for their own deck. Kinda like the Hemet decks.

Last Kaleidosaur Paladin lesgo
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Doesn't that deck want its 1-mana spells?
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i got millhouse manastorm ugh
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dowolf posted...

Doesn't that deck want its 1-mana spells?

I'd imagine after you complete the quest you'd care more about your big draws

dowolf posted...

Doesn't that deck want its 1-mana spells?

In the early game yeah, late game you'd probably want Kings and Steed (and Tarim/Tirion)

Or you can just hide them all on a Primalfin, play the 6 mana card, then trade it in and get them all back
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ShatteredElysium posted...

dowolf posted...

Doesn't that deck want its 1-mana spells?

I'd imagine after you complete the quest you'd care more about your big draws

After you complete the quest, isn't the plan to just win with the Kaleidosaur? I mean, it has stealth and a whole lot more.

VeryInsane posted...

dowolf posted...

Doesn't that deck want its 1-mana spells?

In the early game yeah, late game you'd probably want Kings and Steed (and Tarim/Tirion)

Or you can just hide them all on a Primalfin, play the 6 mana card, then trade it in and get them all back

I guess... I still feel like you're decreasing your odds of getting a card that you want, since I feel like I'm always okay with getting e.g. Blessing of Wisdom in that deck.
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I don't understand this game's mana costs at all. Why can't Brawl just be a 5 mana board wipe like literally any other game? It's like they intentionally put random garbage on as many things as possible just to see if people are stupid enough to defend the design.

And yeah I get that it's the game's DNA, but so many thngs are 3-6 more mana than they should be.
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http://www.hearthpwn.com/news/3167-new-rogue-card-revealed-roll-the-bones

Would have liked this card back when Old Gods first came out and I was playing N'Zoth Rogue.
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You'd have to have way too many deathrattles in your deck for this to be worthwhile. Better off having Shiv.
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Huge fan of Roll the Bones in WoW

Meh on this implementation


Dowolf, I think you are way out to lunch to say that Geist card has a really bad stat line for 6. That card is way stronger than your usual tech since you can just play it at any time and destroy how a deck works or at least mess up a couple cards. Its not like you can only use it when the cards you are teching against are in play. I think the body is TOO strong for what this card can do.
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Also rip Carnassa Hunter, we hardly new ye
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It's spells, not minions
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Oh good

Rip Carnassa Hunter anyways
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ClyTheCool posted...

Rip Carnassa Hunter anyways

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The stat line is ok. I'm not really sure of the deck that wants to play a 6 mana 4/6 no taunt on turn 6 when it only messes up 3 or 4 decks, and conditionally at that.

Also keep in mind that this doesn't actually kill Jade Druid. They can just kill you before fatigue. It's strongest against Miracle Rogue and Inner Fire Priest, and is kinda annoying for Evolve Shaman if they haven't evolved (but they have a third copy that doesn't get hit now).

So fatigue decks want it, but that will depend on fatigue decks actually being good (they're obviously trying to support them this set, so it's possible). Freeze Mage might play it to get around Earthen Scales, Priest decks might play it to counter Miracle, but that's valuable deck slots on one matchup. Seems like something you'd see in tournaments but not on ladder unless everyone is playing these decks.
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Never played Warrior before but up to 5 wins in Arena so far. Ended up drafting a lot of neutral cards as wasn't ever certain on what Warrior cards were good. Think only War cards I drafted were Fiery Win Axe, Arcanite Reaper, Protect the King and Execute as I knew they were good

EDIT: Just checked. Also Tar Lord, Frothing Berserker and Molten Weapon

I got 12 wins with Warrior back during Kharazan because I drafted like 3 or 4 Fool's Banes
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Miracle Rogue only runs Hallucination as a 1 mana spell naturally

They'll be fine I think
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Any idea if that card get rid of spells that aren't naturally 1 mana but have had their cost reduced to 1 by some means?
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Supposedly, no.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/6rae8m/kft_new_neutral_epic_from_4gamer/dl4blrl/
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Jade Druid hardly ever goes to fatigue so this actually does barely anything to hurt it.
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redrocket_pub posted...

Jade Druid hardly ever goes to fatigue so this actually does barely anything to hurt it.

It stops them from playing 1 mana 6/6 on turn 7 so I'm okay with it.
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ClyTheCool posted...

Huge fan of Roll the Bones in WoW

Meh on this implementation


Dowolf, I think you are way out to lunch to say that Geist card has a really bad stat line for 6. That card is way stronger than your usual tech since you can just play it at any time and destroy how a deck works or at least mess up a couple cards. Its not like you can only use it when the cards you are teching against are in play. I think the body is TOO strong for what this card can do.

Playing it literally loses you the game against any Mage, Pirate Warrior, Token Druid, any Paladin except aggro (and aggro paladin doesn't care about a 6-mana 4/6 anyways). It's okay against Miracle Rogue, could potentially hurt Discard Warlock if it hits key soulfires but not really (assuming a controlly version),

like.

You are thinning your opponent's deck. In a control mirror, this affects both players roughly equally; against aggro, you are throwing the game. Except you can't run it in an aggro deck because it's a 6-mana 4/6 -- it's a worse Hemet, and no non-gimmick deck runs Hemet. Also aggro doesn't care about turn 15+ Jade Idols anyways.

It doesn't even guarantee you the game against Jade Druid. So why play it?
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trdl23 posted...

Holy shit, dude, stop being so damn sensitive. Not every disagreement is a personal assault or accusation.

That's just Maria being Maria.

MariaTaylor posted...

at least one person reported that it did not work (SE), and at least one person was at least smarter than you and didn't waste gold on packs to check (me).

I didn't see SE's remark. I did see at least a dozen people all agreeing with each other. So why would I have reason to believe it wouldn't work? And I wouldn't have wasted gold if I could have depended on continuing to get Un'goro packs from Arena, but I don't plan on playing 10 more arenas before the new set releases.

Actually, that makes me wonder how many arena runs I have done since the pack changes. I hadn't done arena for months prior to Ahune's free runs. So I guess I actually only needed to buy 7 packs rather than 9. So okay, you're 22% right about me wasting gold. (Unless I opened a legendary in one of those packs and forgot, but I'm pretty sure I reported opening a dupe legendary right before the changes hit, and that was my last one.)
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and you're 0% right about "everyone" being a liar and saying that it worked
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trdl23 posted...

Holy shit, dude, stop being so damn sensitive. Not every disagreement is a personal assault or accusation.

it's not a disagreement. he said that I lied, I did not lie. how is that a disagreement?
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and calling someone a lair is an accusation
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I think someone needs to learn the difference between a generalization and an absolute.
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both of you, chill.

this is literally the stupidest fight ever.
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I mean you literally just admitted that you didn't see SE's post so I have no idea why you're trying to backpedal now. you called EVERYONE a liar. I pointed out that EVERYONE didn't even claim the thing that you seem to think that we claimed. therefore, you're just wrong. it's not a disagreement, you are just flat out wrong.
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and for the record the people who say they pulled legendaries, I believe that they did in fact pull legendaries. I have no idea why this giant fucking tool constantly gets a pass for taking the position of arbiter of truth, going around accusing other people of lying all the time.
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Wow, Maria. Just wow.
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skullbone posted...

redrocket_pub posted...

Jade Druid hardly ever goes to fatigue so this actually does barely anything to hurt it.

It stops them from playing 1 mana 6/6 on turn 7 so I'm okay with it.

I mean that is kinda neat but any claim that this "kills" jade druid is a wild exaggeration imo.
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You must be fun at parties, Maria.

Anyway, 7-0 on a Rogue run now. 2 saps OP
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trdl23 posted...

You must be fun at parties, Maria.

yeah, generally. real life socialization and internet socialization (especially board 8 in particular) work very differently.
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MariaTaylor posted...

trdl23 posted...

You must be fun at parties, Maria.

yeah, generally. real life socialization and internet socialization (especially board 8 in particular) work very differently.

[Doubt]

8-0. Sap on that Sunwalker, don't mind if I do. My only "complaint" is that I won't know if this deck could have actually gone to 12.

It's a good problem to have.
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I just randomly got handed 2000 dust by the game.

Uh, thanks?
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I wasn't. Apparently the bug didn't happen to me. I missed the bug where the Gadgetzan tri-class cards were screwed up as well, missed out on packs or whatever the reward was.

Come on, Blizzard, let me suffer from some of these bugs...
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Ugh. Lost a won game at 5-0 because my internet cut out.

I then proceeded to take out my anger on the poor Warlock I faced next. Double invigorate -> Hydra is just unfair.
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doing my free arena run for the week. finally offered a legenday minion in arena! literally my choices are noggenfogger, hemmet jungle hunter, and hogger the doom of elwynn. I actually picked hemmet since this is a face deck. seems like cutting out all of the low mana garbage by playing him right on turn 6 would actually make my lategame strong instead of crappy. we'll see how it works out. hogger might have been the safer bet? noggenfogger is obviously unplayable.
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