Board 8 > Do you take umbrage with John McEnroe's comment on Serena Williams?

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SeabassDebeste 06/29/17 2:53:43 PM #52:	SmartMuffin posted... My guess is that Floyd Mayweather probably could beat, or at least could be competitive against, the #500 heavyweight boxer in the world. i don't see how the number is relevant here, considering that the talent pool for boxing is far shallower than it is for tennis (especially in the high weight classes). i don't know the cutoff point because we never actually see matches between weight classes. and also - it's pure speculation on your part. the fact is that there are plenty of opponents who would usually beat mayweather in a boxing match. but we compare mayweather against those we consider to be his peers. --- yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness <cite>SeabassDebeste posted [p:882037262] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>My guess is that Floyd Mayweather probably could beat, or at least could be competitive against, the #500 heavyweight boxer in the world. </quote> i don't see how the number is relevant here, considering that the talent pool for boxing is far shallower than it is for tennis (especially in the high weight classes). i don't know the cutoff point because we never actually see matches between weight classes. and also - it's pure speculation on your part. the fact is that there are plenty of opponents who would usually beat mayweather in a boxing match. but we compare mayweather against those we consider to be his peers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 06/29/17 2:59:57 PM #53:	To the extent that you can find people who would beat Mayweather, I'm pretty sure the response by most people (including Mayweather himself) would be "Yes, that's true. But given Mayweather's genetics (to include things like size and weight) it's physically impossible for him to be competitive against highly skilled individuals of different genetics." Care to find a feminist willing to say that about Serena? That's the point here. It's not really Floyd's fault that he can't beat heavyweights. And it's not really Serena's fault she can't beat men. It's simple genetics. Why is that uncontroversial when it comes to size, but the most controversial thing on Earth when it comes to gender? --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:882037711] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>To the extent that you can find people who would beat Mayweather, I'm pretty sure the response by most people (including Mayweather himself) would be "Yes, that's true. But given Mayweather's genetics (to include things like size and weight) it's physically impossible for him to be competitive against highly skilled individuals of different genetics." Care to find a feminist willing to say that about Serena? That's the point here. It's not really Floyd's fault that he can't beat heavyweights. And it's not really Serena's fault she can't beat men. It's simple genetics. Why is that uncontroversial when it comes to size, but the most controversial thing on Earth when it comes to gender?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
colliding 06/29/17 3:02:52 PM #54:	She would be in the 200's. <cite>colliding posted [p:882037893] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>She would be in the 200's.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
redrocket_pub 06/29/17 3:05:34 PM #55:	But can Mayweather beat THE BIG SHOW? --- Blasting off <cite>redrocket_pub posted [p:882038080] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>But can Mayweather beat THE BIG SHOW?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JetJaguar 06/29/17 3:07:17 PM #56:	Didn't Serena and Venus play an average male tennis player 2 on 1 and get smoked? EDIT: Average by WTA standards obviously --- TimJab - Your 2017 User of the Year! <cite>JetJaguar posted [p:882038182] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>Didn't Serena and Venus play an average male tennis player 2 on 1 and get smoked? EDIT: Average by WTA standards obviously</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 06/29/17 3:09:27 PM #57:	1998: Karsten Braasch vs. the Williams sisters Another event dubbed a "Battle of the Sexes" took place during the 1998 Australian Open[34] between Karsten Braasch and the Williams sisters. Venus and Serena Williams had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple bottles of ice cold lager".[35][36] The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park,[37] after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two beers. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2.[38] Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance". He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun".[39] Braasch said the big difference was that men can chase down shots much easier, and that men put spin on the ball that the women can't handle. The Williams sisters adjusted their claim to beating men outside the top 350. not 2 on 1 apparently, but back to back --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:882038331] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><quote>1998: Karsten Braasch vs. the Williams sisters Another event dubbed a "Battle of the Sexes" took place during the 1998 Australian Open[34] between Karsten Braasch and the Williams sisters. Venus and Serena Williams had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple bottles of ice cold lager".[35][36] The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park,[37] after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two beers. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2.[38] Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance". He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun".[39] Braasch said the big difference was that men can chase down shots much easier, and that men put spin on the ball that the women can't handle. The Williams sisters adjusted their claim to beating men outside the top 350.</quote> not 2 on 1 apparently, but back to back</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voltch 06/29/17 3:09:44 PM #58:	The WTA is the women's tennis association But Serena and Venus have been upset at times by players who would be considered average there too. --- Congrats to Eli Ayase's #1 fan BK_Sheikah00 on winning the BYIG Guru Contest. <cite>voltch posted [p:882038355] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>The WTA is the women's tennis association But Serena and Venus have been upset at times by players who would be considered average there too.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 06/29/17 3:10:20 PM #59:	i guess it comes down to the definition of greatness is it objective- that is, the best player is the one that wins the most often against anyone? or is it relative- the one that is the most dominant in their own league --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:882038401] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>i guess it comes down to the definition of greatness is it objective- that is, the best player is the one that wins the most often against anyone? or is it relative- the one that is the most dominant in their own league</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero11 06/29/17 3:14:29 PM #60:	Axl_Rose_85 posted... Cain Velasquez/Amanda Numes - UFC Heavyweight Championship Cain would get injured in training camp --- MZero, to the extreme "2017 Guru champ BKSheikah is racist against cute Pokemon." - Luster <cite>MZero11 posted [p:882038677] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axl_Rose_85 posted...</cite> <quote>Cain Velasquez/Amanda Numes - UFC Heavyweight Championship</quote> Cain would get injured in training camp</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SeabassDebeste 06/29/17 3:16:10 PM #61:	SmartMuffin posted... Why is that uncontroversial when it comes to size, but the most controversial thing on Earth when it comes to gender? we're basically agreeing here, but i don't think anyone claimed serena could beat the top male players either! the main point i'm getting at is that the qualification for 'greatest' or 'best' doesn't always come attached with the qualifying word people say 'mayweather is the best boxer in the planet,' and often they will not qualify that statement with 'pound for pound' or 'for his size.' no one talks about the fact that wladimir klitschko would bat him about like a cat with a ball of string, because it's irrelevant in the narrative. it's implied. but when it comes to serena, the word 'female' is always stated. --- yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness <cite>SeabassDebeste posted [p:882038784] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>Why is that uncontroversial when it comes to size, but the most controversial thing on Earth when it comes to gender? </quote> we're basically agreeing here, but i don't think anyone claimed serena could beat the top male players either! the main point i'm getting at is that the qualification for 'greatest' or 'best' doesn't always come attached with the qualifying word people say 'mayweather is the best boxer in the planet,' and often they will not qualify that statement with 'pound for pound' or 'for his size.' no one talks about the fact that wladimir klitschko would bat him about like a cat with a ball of string, because it's irrelevant in the narrative. it's implied. but when it comes to serena, the word 'female' is always stated.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 06/29/17 3:16:45 PM #62:	like, the UCONN women's basketball team won 110 games in a row. that is the largest winning streak for any AAA college basketball team under some definitions, that makes them the greatest college basketball team of all time on the other hand, a lot of men's college teams would have beaten them those years, so under some definitions that makes them definitely not the greatest of all time --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:882038822] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>like, the UCONN women's basketball team won 110 games in a row. that is the largest winning streak for any AAA college basketball team under some definitions, that makes them the greatest college basketball team of all time on the other hand, a lot of men's college teams would have beaten them those years, so under some definitions that makes them definitely not the greatest of all time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jakyl25 06/29/17 3:16:57 PM #63:	SmartMuffin posted... To the extent that you can find people who would beat Mayweather, I'm pretty sure the response by most people (including Mayweather himself) would be "Yes, that's true. But given Mayweather's genetics (to include things like size and weight) it's physically impossible for him to be competitive against highly skilled individuals of different genetics." Care to find a feminist willing to say that about Serena? That's the point here. It's not really Floyd's fault that he can't beat heavyweights. And it's not really Serena's fault she can't beat men. It's simple genetics. Why is that uncontroversial when it comes to size, but the most controversial thing on Earth when it comes to gender? I think the point is that no one questions calling Floyd the best today purely based on his dominance in his genetically predisposed divisions, even though there are a number of people he couldn't beat. But people do get up in arms if someone says the same thing about Serena. Maybe she's the best Pound-for-Pound tennis player and that's what people really mean but there's no terminology for that in tennis? --- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvGKDK2WIAAmKTf?format=jpg&name=large <cite>Jakyl25 posted [p:882038845] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>To the extent that you can find people who would beat Mayweather, I'm pretty sure the response by most people (including Mayweather himself) would be "Yes, that's true. But given Mayweather's genetics (to include things like size and weight) it's physically impossible for him to be competitive against highly skilled individuals of different genetics." Care to find a feminist willing to say that about Serena? That's the point here. It's not really Floyd's fault that he can't beat heavyweights. And it's not really Serena's fault she can't beat men. It's simple genetics. Why is that uncontroversial when it comes to size, but the most controversial thing on Earth when it comes to gender?</quote> I think the point is that no one questions calling Floyd the best today purely based on his dominance in his genetically predisposed divisions, even though there are a number of people he couldn't beat. But people do get up in arms if someone says the same thing about Serena. Maybe she's the best Pound-for-Pound tennis player and that's what people really mean but there's no terminology for that in tennis?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JetJaguar 06/29/17 3:26:17 PM #64:	FFDragon posted... 1998: Karsten Braasch vs. the Williams sisters Another event dubbed a "Battle of the Sexes" took place during the 1998 Australian Open[34] between Karsten Braasch and the Williams sisters. Venus and Serena Williams had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple bottles of ice cold lager".[35][36] The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park,[37] after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two beers. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2.[38] Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance". He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun".[39] Braasch said the big difference was that men can chase down shots much easier, and that men put spin on the ball that the women can't handle. The Williams sisters adjusted their claim to beating men outside the top 350. not 2 on 1 apparently, but back to back Yeah that's it. Obviously Serena is better now than she was when she was 18, but she would still get killed. You could make the case for Serena being the best tennis player in the world compared to her peers I suppose. --- TimJab - Your 2017 User of the Year! <cite>JetJaguar posted [p:882039435] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>FFDragon posted...</cite> <quote><quote>1998: Karsten Braasch vs. the Williams sisters Another event dubbed a "Battle of the Sexes" took place during the 1998 Australian Open[34] between Karsten Braasch and the Williams sisters. Venus and Serena Williams had claimed that they could beat any male player ranked outside the world's top 200, so Braasch, then ranked 203rd, challenged them both. Braasch was described by one journalist as "a man whose training regime centered around a pack of cigarettes and more than a couple bottles of ice cold lager".[35][36] The matches took place on court number 12 in Melbourne Park,[37] after Braasch had finished a round of golf and two beers. He first took on Serena and after leading 5–0, beat her 6–1. Venus then walked on court and again Braasch was victorious, this time winning 6–2.[38] Braasch said afterwards, "500 and above, no chance". He added that he had played like someone ranked 600th in order to keep the game "fun".[39] Braasch said the big difference was that men can chase down shots much easier, and that men put spin on the ball that the women can't handle. The Williams sisters adjusted their claim to beating men outside the top 350.</quote> not 2 on 1 apparently, but back to back</quote> Yeah that's it. Obviously Serena is better now than she was when she was 18, but she would still get killed. You could make the case for Serena being the best tennis player in the world compared to her peers I suppose.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero11 06/29/17 3:35:26 PM #65:	Boxing comparison doesn't really work because Tennis players aren't divided by size. Federer could beat guys like Isner (6'10) despite being like 6 feet tall. In Boxing the reach advantage would be too great to overcome --- MZero, to the extreme "2017 Guru champ BKSheikah is racist against cute Pokemon." - Luster <cite>MZero11 posted [p:882040056] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>Boxing comparison doesn't really work because Tennis players aren't divided by size. Federer could beat guys like Isner (6'10) despite being like 6 feet tall. In Boxing the reach advantage would be too great to overcome</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JetJaguar 06/29/17 4:12:07 PM #66:	Track and field is a good comparison I think Usain Bolt holds the world record in the 100 meter dash at 9.58 seconds. Flo Jo holds the women's record at 10.49, and that's actually by a wide margin over any other woman. For comparison, the men's high school record is 10 seconds flat. So conceivably the best Olympic female runner in history could not compete against top tier high school talent. Everything from the mile to the marathon has a similar divide. To this day no woman has even come close to breaking a four minute mile. It's not sexism, it's just science. --- TimJab - Your 2017 User of the Year! <cite>JetJaguar posted [p:882042311] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>Track and field is a good comparison I think Usain Bolt holds the world record in the 100 meter dash at 9.58 seconds. Flo Jo holds the women's record at 10.49, and that's actually by a wide margin over any other woman. For comparison, the men's high school record is 10 seconds flat. So conceivably the best Olympic female runner in history could not compete against top tier high school talent. Everything from the mile to the marathon has a similar divide. To this day no woman has even come close to breaking a four minute mile. It's not sexism, it's just science.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 06/29/17 5:11:20 PM #67:	SmartMuffin posted... Care to find a feminist willing to say that about Serena? I mean, Serena's said it about herself. She said she'd lose 6-0, 6-0 to Andy Murray in 10 minutes max. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png http://imgur.com/d5dabib <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:882045886] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>Care to find a feminist willing to say that about Serena?</quote> I mean, Serena's said it about herself. She said she'd lose 6-0, 6-0 to Andy Murray in 10 minutes max.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLIAmAnAlt 06/29/17 5:15:44 PM #68:	Considering that female Olympic soccer teams practice against high school (and sometimes middle school) boys and lose, I think he was being gracious with 700. --- lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll <cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted [p:882046146] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>Considering that female Olympic soccer teams practice against high school (and sometimes middle school) boys and lose, I think he was being gracious with 700.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JetJaguar 06/29/17 5:38:24 PM #69:	LeonhartFour posted... SmartMuffin posted... Care to find a feminist willing to say that about Serena? I mean, Serena's said it about herself. She said she'd lose 6-0, 6-0 to Andy Murray in 10 minutes max. She goes back and forth. When she won the 23rd Grand Slam a reporter asked her if she considered herself the best female tennis player ever and she said she preferred to drop the "female". --- TimJab - Your 2017 User of the Year! <cite>JetJaguar posted [p:882047585] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>LeonhartFour posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote>Care to find a feminist willing to say that about Serena?</quote> I mean, Serena's said it about herself. She said she'd lose 6-0, 6-0 to Andy Murray in 10 minutes max.</quote> She goes back and forth. When she won the 23rd Grand Slam a reporter asked her if she considered herself the best female tennis player ever and she said she preferred to drop the "female".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SeabassDebeste 06/29/17 5:39:54 PM #70:	JetJaguar posted... She goes back and forth. When she won the 23rd Grand Slam a reporter asked her if she considered herself the best female tennis player ever and she said she preferred to drop the "female". this doesn't sound like her saying that she would beat andy murray so i don't see how it's 'going back and forth' --- yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness <cite>SeabassDebeste posted [p:882047703] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>JetJaguar posted...</cite> <quote>She goes back and forth. When she won the 23rd Grand Slam a reporter asked her if she considered herself the best female tennis player ever and she said she preferred to drop the "female". </quote> this doesn't sound like her saying that she would beat andy murray so i don't see how it's 'going back and forth'</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLIAmAnAlt 06/29/17 5:41:10 PM #71:	This reminds me of Racquetball Paola Longoria is by far the best woman in the world at Raquetball. She has 135 wins to 2 losses. She is dominate. Because she was bored winning so much a few years ago she decided to join a random smaller Mens Tournament in Texas. She wound up losing to a guy who was not ranked in the first round. --- lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll <cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted [p:882047787] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>This reminds me of Racquetball Paola Longoria is by far the best woman in the world at Raquetball. She has 135 wins to 2 losses. She is dominate. Because she was bored winning so much a few years ago she decided to join a random smaller Mens Tournament in Texas. She wound up losing to a guy who was not ranked in the first round.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 06/29/17 5:44:00 PM #72:	JetJaguar posted... She goes back and forth. When she won the 23rd Grand Slam a reporter asked her if she considered herself the best female tennis player ever and she said she preferred to drop the "female". I think Serena just doesn't like playing the comparison game between men and women, probably because the disparity between the two is obvious. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png http://imgur.com/d5dabib <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:882047973] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>JetJaguar posted...</cite> <quote>She goes back and forth. When she won the 23rd Grand Slam a reporter asked her if she considered herself the best female tennis player ever and she said she preferred to drop the "female".</quote> I think Serena just doesn't like playing the comparison game between men and women, probably because the disparity between the two is obvious.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 06/29/17 8:50:48 PM #73:	JetJaguar posted... It's not sexism, it's just science Why not both? --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:882058465] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>JetJaguar posted...</cite> <quote>It's not sexism, it's just science</quote> Why not both?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 06/29/17 9:07:00 PM #74:	reality is sexist --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:882059331] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>reality is sexist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 06/29/17 9:09:04 PM #75:	against MEN am I right?????? --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:882059433] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>against MEN am I right??????</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pokewars 06/29/17 9:20:59 PM #76:	Her other tweet about respecting privacy 'cause she's about to have a baby is hilarious and it doesn't make sense. So people aren't allowed to talk about you (even though you're a public figure) because you got knocked up? --- Best gif you will ever see - http://i.imgur.com/J3cKpQX.gifv <cite>Pokewars posted [p:882060057] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>Her other tweet about respecting privacy 'cause she's about to have a baby is hilarious and it doesn't make sense. So people aren't allowed to talk about you (even though you're a public figure) because you got knocked up?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 06/29/17 9:46:59 PM #77:	Pokewars posted... Her other tweet about respecting privacy 'cause she's about to have a baby is hilarious and it doesn't make sense. So people aren't allowed to talk about you (even though you're a public figure) because you got knocked up? Also she posed nude featuring her giant pregnant belly for a magazine "but please respect my privacy" --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:882061447] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>Pokewars posted...</cite> <quote>Her other tweet about respecting privacy 'cause she's about to have a baby is hilarious and it doesn't make sense. So people aren't allowed to talk about you (even though you're a public figure) because you got knocked up?</quote> Also she posed nude featuring her giant pregnant belly for a magazine "but please respect my privacy"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLIAmAnAlt 06/29/17 10:40:44 PM #78:	and her sister killed someone --- lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll <cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted [p:882063953] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>and her sister killed someone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KanzarisKelshen 06/29/17 10:52:58 PM #79:	The really interesting question is - just how big is the physical gap if in practically any sport, women can't compete with the men, in percentile terms (like, is a man with identical skill 30% better than a woman? 20%? 10%?)? How small would it have to be for there to be a reasonable parity between genders? --- Shine on, you crazy diamond. <cite>KanzarisKelshen posted [p:882064525] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>The really interesting question is - just how big is the physical gap if in practically any sport, women can't compete with the men, in percentile terms (like, is a man with identical skill 30% better than a woman? 20%? 10%?)? How small would it have to be for there to be a reasonable parity between genders?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 06/29/17 10:57:25 PM #80:	SmartMuffin posted... LeonhartFour posted... If you want to argue that Serena is the most accomplished or most dominant tennis player relative to her competition, that's an argument that can be made. It just depends on how you define "best," I guess. If it's "could beat anybody ever," then Serena's not in the discussion. I mean it's like saying that the Uconn womens basketball team is the "greatest basketball team ever" because they won 100 games in a row over the course of 3 years or whatever it was. I mean okay, maybe they are the most dominant relative to their competition, but they'd still get smoked by any Division 2 mens team. I think you may be overestimating how good men's college basketball is top to bottom. Sure, your major conferences would crush UConn women's, but it's possible you don't even have to get out of mid-majors to find a men's team they could beat. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:882064761] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeonhartFour posted...</cite> <quote>If you want to argue that Serena is the most accomplished or most dominant tennis player relative to her competition, that's an argument that can be made. It just depends on how you define "best," I guess. If it's "could beat anybody ever," then Serena's not in the discussion.</quote> I mean it's like saying that the Uconn womens basketball team is the "greatest basketball team ever" because they won 100 games in a row over the course of 3 years or whatever it was. I mean okay, maybe they are the most dominant relative to their competition, but they'd still get smoked by any Division 2 mens team.</quote> I think you may be overestimating how good men's college basketball is top to bottom. Sure, your major conferences would crush UConn women's, but it's possible you don't even have to get out of mid-majors to find a men's team they could beat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
yoshi_62 06/29/17 11:11:34 PM #81:	I voted other. Seeing the entire exchange, McEnroe was basically prompted to compare Serena to the men, and he gave a reasonable answer. I voted other because he hasn't exactly been gracious after the fact. He should (no pun intended) be the bigger man, just let it go and not become embroiled in petty exchanges. I do not think he is sexist (well he could be but this specific comment is not, imo). On the topic of Mayweather vs. Unknown Heavyweight, I'd be willing to bet that Floyd could dance around the reach and power of Mystery Heavyweight 9 times out of 10, but assuming our mystery opponent is reasonably fit and athletic he would have a chance of slipping a punch through Floyd's guard and literally breaking his face. Weight classes exist in combat sports for a reason, and Floyd would be giving up at least 50 lbs. <cite>yoshi_62 posted [p:882065459] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>I voted other. Seeing the entire exchange, McEnroe was basically prompted to compare Serena to the men, and he gave a reasonable answer. I voted other because he hasn't exactly been gracious after the fact. He should (no pun intended) be the bigger man, just let it go and not become embroiled in petty exchanges. I do not think he is sexist (well he could be but this specific comment is not, imo). On the topic of Mayweather vs. Unknown Heavyweight, I'd be willing to bet that Floyd could dance around the reach and power of Mystery Heavyweight 9 times out of 10, but assuming our mystery opponent is reasonably fit and athletic he would have a chance of slipping a punch through Floyd's guard and literally breaking his face. Weight classes exist in combat sports for a reason, and Floyd would be giving up at least 50 lbs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 06/29/17 11:25:39 PM #82:	kevwaffles posted... SmartMuffin posted... LeonhartFour posted... If you want to argue that Serena is the most accomplished or most dominant tennis player relative to her competition, that's an argument that can be made. It just depends on how you define "best," I guess. If it's "could beat anybody ever," then Serena's not in the discussion. I mean it's like saying that the Uconn womens basketball team is the "greatest basketball team ever" because they won 100 games in a row over the course of 3 years or whatever it was. I mean okay, maybe they are the most dominant relative to their competition, but they'd still get smoked by any Division 2 mens team. I think you may be overestimating how good men's college basketball is top to bottom. Sure, your major conferences would crush UConn women's, but it's possible you don't even have to get out of mid-majors to find a men's team they could beat. I highly doubt this --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:882066116] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>kevwaffles posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeonhartFour posted...</cite> <quote>If you want to argue that Serena is the most accomplished or most dominant tennis player relative to her competition, that's an argument that can be made. It just depends on how you define "best," I guess. If it's "could beat anybody ever," then Serena's not in the discussion.</quote> I mean it's like saying that the Uconn womens basketball team is the "greatest basketball team ever" because they won 100 games in a row over the course of 3 years or whatever it was. I mean okay, maybe they are the most dominant relative to their competition, but they'd still get smoked by any Division 2 mens team.</quote> I think you may be overestimating how good men's college basketball is top to bottom. Sure, your major conferences would crush UConn women's, but it's possible you don't even have to get out of mid-majors to find a men's team they could beat.</quote> I highly doubt this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 06/29/17 11:27:08 PM #83:	https://twitter.com/lourdesgnavarro/status/878965826401054720 hey now you're getting it! --- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://i.imgur.com/W66HUUy.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:882066189] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/lourdesgnavarro/status/878965826401054720 hey now you're getting it!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 06/29/17 11:35:07 PM #84:	yoshi_62 posted... I voted other because he hasn't exactly been gracious after the fact. He should (no pun intended) be the bigger man, just let it go and not become embroiled in petty exchanges. yeah that's not McEnroe's style --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png http://imgur.com/d5dabib <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:882066569] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>yoshi_62 posted...</cite> <quote>I voted other because he hasn't exactly been gracious after the fact. He should (no pun intended) be the bigger man, just let it go and not become embroiled in petty exchanges.</quote> yeah that's not McEnroe's style</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ngamer64 06/29/17 11:39:48 PM #85:	Everything he said is science fact, I don't understand how anyone could be upset about it. --- BKSheikah dominated even The Show hosts in 2017, wow! board8.wikia.com \| thengamer.com/xstats <cite>Ngamer64 posted [p:882066791] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>Everything he said is science fact, I don't understand how anyone could be upset about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JetJaguar 06/29/17 11:47:42 PM #86:	SeabassDebeste posted... JetJaguar posted... She goes back and forth. When she won the 23rd Grand Slam a reporter asked her if she considered herself the best female tennis player ever and she said she preferred to drop the "female". this doesn't sound like her saying that she would beat andy murray so i don't see how it's 'going back and forth' Uh...it sounds to me like she's calling herself the best tennis player ever? --- TimJab - Your 2017 User of the Year! <cite>JetJaguar posted [p:882067161] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>SeabassDebeste posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JetJaguar posted...</cite> <quote>She goes back and forth. When she won the 23rd Grand Slam a reporter asked her if she considered herself the best female tennis player ever and she said she preferred to drop the "female". </quote> this doesn't sound like her saying that she would beat andy murray so i don't see how it's 'going back and forth'</quote> Uh...it sounds to me like she's calling herself the best tennis player ever?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SeabassDebeste 06/29/17 11:51:29 PM #87:	right, which is not going back and forth saying she is the best ever is not the same as saying that she'd beat andy murray in a tennis match. she hasn't said anything contradictory. just like mayweather says that he's the best ever but did not say that he would beat wladimir klitschko, or bernard hopkins, or andre ward, or even sergio martinez. --- yet all sailors of all sorts are more or less capricious and unreliable - they live in the varying outer weather, and they inhale its fickleness <cite>SeabassDebeste posted [p:882067320] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>right, which is not going back and forth saying she is the best ever is not the same as saying that she'd beat andy murray in a tennis match. she hasn't said anything contradictory. just like mayweather says that he's the best ever but did not say that he would beat wladimir klitschko, or bernard hopkins, or andre ward, or even sergio martinez.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foolm0r0n 06/29/17 11:54:41 PM #88:	If men are strictly better at sports than women, how much more pathetic does it make a man who fucking sucks at sports --- _foolmo_ 2 + 2 = 4 <cite>foolm0r0n posted [p:882067453] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>If men are strictly better at sports than women, how much more pathetic does it make a man who fucking sucks at sports</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 06/30/17 12:07:44 AM #89:	StealThisSheen posted... kevwaffles posted... SmartMuffin posted... LeonhartFour posted... If you want to argue that Serena is the most accomplished or most dominant tennis player relative to her competition, that's an argument that can be made. It just depends on how you define "best," I guess. If it's "could beat anybody ever," then Serena's not in the discussion. I mean it's like saying that the Uconn womens basketball team is the "greatest basketball team ever" because they won 100 games in a row over the course of 3 years or whatever it was. I mean okay, maybe they are the most dominant relative to their competition, but they'd still get smoked by any Division 2 mens team. I think you may be overestimating how good men's college basketball is top to bottom. Sure, your major conferences would crush UConn women's, but it's possible you don't even have to get out of mid-majors to find a men's team they could beat. I highly doubt this Mind you, I'm talking a really, really bad year for an already low tier mid-major team. It wouldn't be a typical scenario. But you start getting to trash among the minor conferences that give us our 16 seeds every year and that's a different story. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:882068092] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>StealThisSheen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>kevwaffles posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeonhartFour posted...</cite> <quote>If you want to argue that Serena is the most accomplished or most dominant tennis player relative to her competition, that's an argument that can be made. It just depends on how you define "best," I guess. If it's "could beat anybody ever," then Serena's not in the discussion.</quote> I mean it's like saying that the Uconn womens basketball team is the "greatest basketball team ever" because they won 100 games in a row over the course of 3 years or whatever it was. I mean okay, maybe they are the most dominant relative to their competition, but they'd still get smoked by any Division 2 mens team.</quote> I think you may be overestimating how good men's college basketball is top to bottom. Sure, your major conferences would crush UConn women's, but it's possible you don't even have to get out of mid-majors to find a men's team they could beat.</quote> I highly doubt this</quote> Mind you, I'm talking a really, really bad year for an already low tier mid-major team. It wouldn't be a typical scenario. But you start getting to trash among the minor conferences that give us our 16 seeds every year and that's a different story.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_DK 06/30/17 12:42:59 AM #90:	Her career is more impressive than any male tennis player's, but she wouldnt beat a top 300/400 guy on the tour. Also men's tennis has been deeper in talent throughout most of history, with maybe the exception of like 2002 to 2005, so its easier for her to dominate. Its like how nobody with a brain cell should be saying Jack Nicklaus's career is more impressive than Tiger's since the PGA tour is exponentially bigger in Tiger's era (and even bigger post Tiger tbh) --- Casual Revolution 2007 - 2016 <cite>Metal_DK posted [p:882069537] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>Her career is more impressive than any male tennis player's, but she wouldnt beat a top 300/400 guy on the tour. Also men's tennis has been deeper in talent throughout most of history, with maybe the exception of like 2002 to 2005, so its easier for her to dominate. Its like how nobody with a brain cell should be saying Jack Nicklaus's career is more impressive than Tiger's since the PGA tour is exponentially bigger in Tiger's era (and even bigger post Tiger tbh)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LOLIAmAnAlt 06/30/17 1:16:33 AM #91:	kevwaffles posted... SmartMuffin posted... LeonhartFour posted... If you want to argue that Serena is the most accomplished or most dominant tennis player relative to her competition, that's an argument that can be made. It just depends on how you define "best," I guess. If it's "could beat anybody ever," then Serena's not in the discussion. I mean it's like saying that the Uconn womens basketball team is the "greatest basketball team ever" because they won 100 games in a row over the course of 3 years or whatever it was. I mean okay, maybe they are the most dominant relative to their competition, but they'd still get smoked by any Division 2 mens team. I think you may be overestimating how good men's college basketball is top to bottom. Sure, your major conferences would crush UConn women's, but it's possible you don't even have to get out of mid-majors to find a men's team they could beat. Once again, Women's Olympic teams play High School Boys teams and lose. I know this has happened in Soccer and Hockey so I will assume that it can happen in Basketball as well. --- lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll <cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted [p:882070806] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>kevwaffles posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SmartMuffin posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LeonhartFour posted...</cite> <quote>If you want to argue that Serena is the most accomplished or most dominant tennis player relative to her competition, that's an argument that can be made. It just depends on how you define "best," I guess. If it's "could beat anybody ever," then Serena's not in the discussion.</quote> I mean it's like saying that the Uconn womens basketball team is the "greatest basketball team ever" because they won 100 games in a row over the course of 3 years or whatever it was. I mean okay, maybe they are the most dominant relative to their competition, but they'd still get smoked by any Division 2 mens team.</quote> I think you may be overestimating how good men's college basketball is top to bottom. Sure, your major conferences would crush UConn women's, but it's possible you don't even have to get out of mid-majors to find a men's team they could beat.</quote> Once again, Women's Olympic teams play High School Boys teams and lose. I know this has happened in Soccer and Hockey so I will assume that it can happen in Basketball as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Axl_Rose_85 06/30/17 1:50:58 AM #92:	Metal_DK posted... Her career is more impressive than any male tennis player's, but she wouldnt beat a top 300/400 guy on the tour. No it isnt. Apart from total Grand Slam title wins, her other records pale in comparison to Roger Federer's. Not her fault, Federer just holds some of the most ridiculous records in sports during his prime. I wouldn't even call her the greatest female tennis player because Steffi Graf has accomplished much more incredible feats like Calendar Golden Slam (4 Slams and Olympic Gold in the same year) while being just one slam short of Serena's total. That and she's played for a much shorter span than Serena. So unless total Grand Slam titles are the end-all-be-all then no her career is not more impressive than Federer's or even Graf's who IMO is the greatest women's tennis player of all time. --- Currently playing: The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (NS) <cite>Axl_Rose_85 posted [p:882071893] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>Metal_DK posted...</cite> <quote>Her career is more impressive than any male tennis player's, but she wouldnt beat a top 300/400 guy on the tour. </quote> No it isnt. Apart from total Grand Slam title wins, her other records pale in comparison to Roger Federer's. Not her fault, Federer just holds some of the most ridiculous records in sports during his prime. I wouldn't even call her the greatest female tennis player because Steffi Graf has accomplished much more incredible feats like Calendar Golden Slam (4 Slams and Olympic Gold in the same year) while being just one slam short of Serena's total. That and she's played for a much shorter span than Serena. So unless total Grand Slam titles are the end-all-be-all then no her career is not more impressive than Federer's or even Graf's who IMO is the greatest women's tennis player of all time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pjbasis 06/30/17 1:51:04 AM #93:	LOLIAmAnAlt posted... Once again, Women's Olympic teams play High School Boys teams and lose. I still find this hard to believe. Does power/height really trump skill disparities of this level? Sports suck --- http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr345/Rakaputra/B8%20Girls%202012/pjbas.png My bracket got DP'd <cite>pjbasis posted [p:882071899] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted...</cite> <quote>Once again, Women's Olympic teams play High School Boys teams and lose.</quote> I still find this hard to believe. Does power/height really trump skill disparities of this level? Sports suck</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kain66 06/30/17 3:13:04 AM #94:	pjbasis posted... LOLIAmAnAlt posted... Once again, Women's Olympic teams play High School Boys teams and lose. I still find this hard to believe. Does power/height really trump skill disparities of this level? Sports suck https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Women/National/2013-14 Every score at the bottom of that page that doesn't show Canada vs USA game, is the national women's Canadian Hockey Team vs the best "high school teams" from Calgary, a city of about a million+ people. To summarize, the women played six games against the kids, and only won a single game (against the team from my area of all things haha) To put this in perspective, the Canadian women's hockey team (along with the American women) can essentially be considered the Serena Williams of women's hockey, both teams are light years ahead of every other women's hockey program. --- "Guess who decided to bob along with you to the pool....your period"-TV <cite>Kain66 posted [p:882074195] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>pjbasis posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LOLIAmAnAlt posted...</cite> <quote>Once again, Women's Olympic teams play High School Boys teams and lose.</quote> I still find this hard to believe. Does power/height really trump skill disparities of this level? Sports suck</quote> https://www.hockeycanada.ca/en-ca/Team-Canada/Women/National/2013-14 Every score at the bottom of that page that doesn't show Canada vs USA game, is the national women's Canadian Hockey Team vs the best "high school teams" from Calgary, a city of about a million+ people. To summarize, the women played six games against the kids, and only won a single game (against the team from my area of all things haha) To put this in perspective, the Canadian women's hockey team (along with the American women) can essentially be considered the Serena Williams of women's hockey, both teams are light years ahead of every other women's hockey program.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
neonreaper 06/30/17 7:19:21 AM #95:	" For me, men’s tennis and women’s tennis are completely, almost, two separate sports. "If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes, maybe ten minutes. It’s a completely different sport. The men are a lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder, it’s just a different game." "I love to play women’s tennis. I only want to play girls, because I don’t want to be embarrassed," -Serena Williams --- Donny: Are they gonna hurt us, Walter? Walter: No, Donny. These men are cowards. <cite>neonreaper posted [p:882079364] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>" For me, men’s tennis and women’s tennis are completely, almost, two separate sports. "If I were to play Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes, maybe ten minutes. It’s a completely different sport. The men are a lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder, it’s just a different game." "I love to play women’s tennis. I only want to play girls, because I don’t want to be embarrassed," -Serena Williams</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
imthestuntman 06/30/17 7:51:59 AM #96:	I think its an awful question that there are really two answers to, neither wrong: 1. She is definitely much worse than top male tennis players. Just a factual statement, and one that many would give in response to this silly question. 2. She has had a spectacular career and her dominance of her peer group is such that she could be considered greater than male players. Neither of these statements is untrue. And ideally someone would answer both. But i would not fault someone for either answer. --- These minor spelling errors were brought to you by an ipad having no real feedback to enable me to know when i mistype and my own laziness. <cite>imthestuntman posted [p:882080211] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote>I think its an awful question that there are really two answers to, neither wrong: 1. She is definitely much worse than top male tennis players. Just a factual statement, and one that many would give in response to this silly question. 2. She has had a spectacular career and her dominance of her peer group is such that she could be considered greater than male players. Neither of these statements is untrue. And ideally someone would answer both. But i would not fault someone for either answer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Metal_DK 06/30/17 8:43:11 AM #97:	Axl_Rose_85 posted... No it isnt. Apart from total Grand Slam title wins, her other records pale in comparison to Roger Federer's. Not her fault, Federer just holds some of the most ridiculous records in sports during his prime. Grand Slam title wins IS almost always the metric though. Its the same for golf. People remember how many of the 4 majors you win (especially masters) more than anything else. Tennis its what did you do at Wimbledon, French, US, Australian. -Only tennis player in history to have won singles titles at least 6 times in 3 of the 4 major tournaments -Only player ever to have won 2 of the 4 seven times -Only player to have won 10 grand slam titles in 2 different decades Maybe you could argue that his 18 are more impressive, but only because men's tennis has been deeper throughout most of Federer's career. I will say Federer's consecutive weeks at number 1 streak is a massive notch for him, but Serena had a very long consecutive weeks streak and has spent about as many total weeks at number 1 as Federer. The main argument for Federer is that women's tennis has been in a down period for a while now, while men's tennis has been pretty deep. Like i said earlier, the only time I can think of when women's tennis had the deeper talent pool (wrt gender differences) was like the early to mid 00s. --- Casual Revolution 2007 - 2016 <cite>Metal_DK posted [p:882081618] in Do you tak... [t:75513231]...</cite> <quote><cite>Axl_Rose_85 posted...</cite> <quote>No it isnt. Apart from total Grand Slam title wins, her other records pale in comparison to Roger Federer's. Not her fault, Federer just holds some of the most ridiculous records in sports during his prime.</quote> Grand Slam title wins IS almost always the metric though. Its the same for golf. People remember how many of the 4 majors you win (especially masters) more than anything else. Tennis its what did you do at Wimbledon, French, US, Australian. -Only tennis player in history to have won singles titles at least 6 times in 3 of the 4 major tournaments -Only player ever to have won 2 of the 4 seven times -Only player to have won 10 grand slam titles in 2 different decades Maybe you could argue that his 18 are more impressive, but only because men's tennis has been deeper throughout most of Federer's career. I will say Federer's consecutive weeks at number 1 streak is a massive notch for him, but Serena had a very long consecutive weeks streak and has spent about as many total weeks at number 1 as Federer. The main argument for Federer is that women's tennis has been in a down period for a while now, while men's tennis has been pretty deep. Like i said earlier, the only time I can think of when women's tennis had the deeper talent pool (wrt gender differences) was like the early to mid 00s.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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