Current Events > Why are young men dropping out of society?

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Is it because they don't want to contribute or because they can't contribute? Is it porn? Video games? Movies? Internet? Welfare? Is it purely a social phenomenon or is there actually something genetic/biological that makes them behave this way? Maybe something about their upbringing? Should something be done about it, and if yes, what?

is this topic about suicide or something?
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they have no purpose.
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wat
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Leanaunfurled posted...

is this topic about suicide or something?

It's either about basement neckbeards or tinder. I can't tell.

- We can't get jobs even with advanced degrees

- We can't afford houses, rent costs too much

- We see that marriage usually fucks us over, women can (and will) cheat on us and take half of everything

- Children are overexpensive shit factories that destroy your dreams

- Video games are extremely cheap and more fun that paying $22 for two drinks and getting called a creep by ugly THOTs at the bar

It's simple really.

Because being a NEET is objectively better.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

- We can't get jobs even with advanced degrees

- We can't afford houses, rent costs too much

- We see that marriage usually fucks us over, women can (and will) cheat on us and take half of everything

- Children are overexpensive shit factories that destroy your dreams

- Video games are extremely cheap and more fun that paying $22 for two drinks and getting called a creep by ugly THOTs at the bar

It's simple really.

Jesus, you need to trim that neckbeard.
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mix of many factors

fundamentally men participate in society because there is a clearly defined way for them to exchange their effort for respect and sex

modern society has both devalued that exchange as well as made it harder for them to actually find work that allows them to participate in it

some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming)

others did not adjust. those who didn't have become socially withdrawn. some of them radicalized. i tend to think this is a cyclical thing as cultures change.

on top of all this, games and porn provide an outlet that undermines the motivation to pursue those things in the first place, so a lot of men withdraw whether forced to or not
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Video games, pornography, and sugar all lead to degeneracy.
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Waiting for a red pill to chime in, and sure enough they have.
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Darkman124 posted...

some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming)

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.

The tables turn quick at 30+ when women realize their looks are fading as if they gazed into the lost Ark and their eggs are disappearing fast. Then it's time to settle down with the beta and get married.

clearaflagrantj posted...

Darkman124 posted...

some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming)

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.

Do this many alphas really cheat?
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.

kinsey report shows that only 10% of women are actually having frequent sex outside relationships

so it's more of a 8/2 rule really
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Darkman124 posted...

some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming)

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.

The tables turn quick at 30+ when women realize their looks are fading as if they gazed into the lost Ark and their eggs are disappearing fast. Then it's time to settle down with the beta and get married.

Good lord just shut up
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Leanaunfurled posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Darkman124 posted...

some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming)

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.

The tables turn quick at 30+ when women realize their looks are fading as if they gazed into the lost Ark and their eggs are disappearing fast. Then it's time to settle down with the beta and get married.

Good lord just shut up

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lack of male role models
teacher bias against male students. from fundamentally not understanding the difference in male and female behavior, to outright grading them harsher
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Darkman124 posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.

kinsey report shows that only 10% of women are actually having frequent sex outside relationships

so it's more of a 8/2 rule really

That doesn't really argue against my point that women only have sex with the 8/10's and up.

clearaflagrantj posted...

That doesn't really argue against my point that women only have sex with the 8/10's and up.

it very much does

the kinsey report shows us that approximately the same numbers of women and men are having sex at the same rate across the board, except for 10% of women who have very frequent sex when single with a much smaller number of men having sex when single

this is largely condensed in the 20-30 age group which is where promiscuity is highest in both genders
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Darkman124 posted...

some men learned to adjust and found that there are other ways to get respect and sex that are not socialized into us (physical fitness and grooming)

Not everybody is 6' with an attractive face and a well paying job. 80/20 rule, 80% of women have sex with only the top 20% of men, and within that 20% subset 4% are having sex with the top 96% of women.

The tables turn quick at 30+ when women realize their looks are fading as if they gazed into the lost Ark and their eggs are disappearing fast. Then it's time to settle down with the beta and get married.

It must be sad being delusional like this

Why do some people react so aggressively/defensively when somebody brings up the discontent that some maladjusted males feel in our society?

I mean they might be right or wrong, but usually they're met with " replies along the lines of "SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU SEXIST EVIL NECKBEARD SHITLORD REDPILL PIG", and most times they're unwarranted.
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ROD posted...

Why do some people react so aggressively/defensively when somebody brings up the discontent that some maladjusted males feel in our society?

I mean they might be right or wrong, but usually they're met with " replies along the lines of "SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU SEXIST EVIL NECKBEARD SHITLORD REDPILL PIG", and most times they're unwarranted.

mostly because clear is trolling and not trying to share any honest ideas
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Asherlee10 posted...

Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?

I take he means becoming like japan's "herbivore men"
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Asherlee10 posted...

Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?

lowest workforce participation rate in ~30 years IIRC, also their college attendance rate has not really improved in a long time
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This topic is going places.
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Darkman124 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?

lowest workforce participation rate in ~30 years IIRC, also their college attendance rate has not really improved in a long time

1. Less jobs for everyone, youngest people get the shaft

2. Women are admitted more often because of "muh equality"

Asherlee10 posted...

Huh... I did not know this.

What do you think the impact is in the long run?

significantly fewer people ever marrying. estimates are something like one in four men and women will be unmarried by the time they are 50

probably reduced economic growth in the long term, something we've already seen
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Offworlder1 posted...

This topic is going places.

i am trying super hard to bring it somewhere useful
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video games and porn
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Darkman124 posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

This topic is going places.

i am trying super hard to bring it somewhere useful

Not on my watch

Darkman124 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?

lowest workforce participation rate in ~30 years IIRC, also their college attendance rate has not really improved in a long time

I have a theory about this.

In the past people with many different skillsets could earn a living: You have journalists, you have writers, you have psychologists, etc.

Nowadays many of these occupations have disappeared because people stopped valuing them ("who cares about journalistic integrity? Have some idiot write as fast as he can and with typos! We just need to be breaking news!" or "mental health? LMAO") or they're getting automated.

Now it's all STEM or bust, and not everybody is made for STEM, so bust it is
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It is pointless to force people into accepting that men are being screwed over by sociaty more now then the past decades. No one can be forced to take the red pill, they have to experience their life getting royally screwed up or see a friend's life end up this way.
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Because most people piss me off, so I read comics, and listen to music, and watch sports instead.
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tag
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Seems more like SOCIETY is dropping out of society. Go outside and notice how empty it is compared to when you were a kid. Even on an awesome summer day.

Why the fuck does 99% of the population stay inside?

Darkman124 posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

This topic is going places.

i am trying super hard to bring it somewhere useful

just give in and realize that it's heading to Shitpost Pit
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Not on my watch

ok i laughed at this
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I would say, among other things, the internet makes it easier to find and interact with like minded people and there's less shaming for living in perpetual adolescence.
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Mystere posted...

Seems more like SOCIETY is dropping out of society. Go outside and notice how empty it is compared to when you were a kid. Even on an awesome summer day.

Why the fuck does 99% of the population stay inside?

Besides the obvious videogames and internet, child nappers pretty much ruined parents letting kids roam the neighborhood. Now parents get arrested if they let kids roam outside.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

Darkman124 posted...

Offworlder1 posted...

This topic is going places.

i am trying super hard to bring it somewhere useful

Not on my watch

lmao
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Offworlder1 posted...

It is pointless to force people into accepting that men are being screwed over by sociaty more now then the past decades. No one can be forced to take the red pill, they have to experience their life getting royally screwed up or see a friend's life end up this way.

Or you can take responsibility for why your life sucks (if it does suck), identity the problem, and fix it.

I'm tired of people crying that their life sucks when they put no effort into making it better.
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ROD posted...

Darkman124 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?

lowest workforce participation rate in ~30 years IIRC, also their college attendance rate has not really improved in a long time

I have a theory about this.

In the past people with many different skillsets could earn a living: You have journalists, you have writers, you have psychologists, etc.

Nowadays many of these occupations have disappeared because people stopped valuing them ("who cares about journalistic integrity? Have some idiot write as fast as he can and with typos! We just need to be breaking news!" or "mental health? LMAO") or they're getting automated.

Now it's all STEM or bust, and not everybody is made for STEM, so bust it is

there is some logic to this theory. even within STEM, life sciences are getting pounded hard; a BS in biology gets you a 30k/year job. very disturbing.

interestingly, english/editing jobs are actually significantly more valuable now than they used to be as govt proposals are more and more competitive
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voldothegr8 posted...

Mystere posted...

Seems more like SOCIETY is dropping out of society. Go outside and notice how empty it is compared to when you were a kid. Even on an awesome summer day.

Why the fuck does 99% of the population stay inside?

Besides the obvious videogames and internet, child nappers pretty much ruined parents letting kids roam the neighborhood. Now parents get arrested if they let kids roam outside.

Yeah but it goes further. I barely even see people in their yards.

A lot of male shaming here, kinda sad to be honest.
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Probably because like 100% of people aged 15-30 either have divorced parents or have multiple friends with divorced parents. Marriage is a gamble for men. If you win, you maybe get a happy life(not guaranteed). If she divorces you, your life is ruined.

Why risk 1/2 of everything you'll ever earn when there is like a 1 in 2 chance the woman you marry will fuck you over?
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to give the topic some context:
https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/07/what-are-young-non-working-men-doing/492890/

In the 2000s, employment rates for young men with less than a four-year degree dropped sharply – more than in any other group. We have determined that, in general, they are not going back to school or switching careers, so what are they doing with their time? The hours that they are not working have been replaced almost one for one with leisure time. Seventy-five percent of this new leisure time falls into one category: video games...

And they are having fun, Hurst emphasized. “Happiness surveys actually indicate that they [are] quite content compared to their peers,” he told UChicago. In the short run, not working doesn’t seem to make men miserable at all.
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