Current Events > Why are young men dropping out of society?

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STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.

Darkman124 posted...

ROD posted...

Darkman124 posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

Young men are dropping out of society? To what extent?

lowest workforce participation rate in ~30 years IIRC, also their college attendance rate has not really improved in a long time

I have a theory about this.

In the past people with many different skillsets could earn a living: You have journalists, you have writers, you have psychologists, etc.

Nowadays many of these occupations have disappeared because people stopped valuing them ("who cares about journalistic integrity? Have some idiot write as fast as he can and with typos! We just need to be breaking news!" or "mental health? LMAO") or they're getting automated.

Now it's all STEM or bust, and not everybody is made for STEM, so bust it is

there is some logic to this theory. even within STEM, life sciences are getting pounded hard; a BS in biology gets you a 30k/year job. very disturbing.

interestingly, english/editing jobs are actually significantly more valuable now than they used to be as govt proposals are more and more competitive

my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes
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Xeno14 posted...

my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes

not bad
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Balrog0 posted...

Xeno14 posted...

my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes

not bad

He's making the big bucks, this high rolling baller.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.

Of course.

Big companies create a false narrative that there is a STEM shortage in order to saturate the market with more offer than demand and thus lower wages. They also flood the market on purpose with cheap underqualified workers from overseas to further saturate the market.
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Balrog0 posted...

Xeno14 posted...

my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes

not bad

maybe in Arkansas. I live in new jersey
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thats still pretty close to the median per capita income in jersey bro

for a fresh college grad?

ce and its skewed perceptions of success smh
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Rather than blaming the opposite sex, I'll just say that I had no role model for when I was younger and I slowly disappeared from society and have no clue how to act in social situations. I come off as weird and sometimes annoying and when i do have a crush on someone, its like I try to create attention which probably withdraws it.

I've gotten better about it. I've actually become quite a comedian in my workplace and many think I'm funny but obviously I'm not attractive but I'm a nice capable guy who seems to be responsible but I just don't know what I would do if I found myself in a situation where I had to...woo.

I've gotten most of my girlfriends by meeting them online first. They end up enjoying my awkward funny nature but I think its because we seem to be so very similar.

Xeno14 posted...

my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes

yeesh

as an aerospace engineer with a master's i started at 82k

Balrog0 posted...

ce and its skewed perceptions of success smh

idk. i expected to make what i make.

but admittedly i also researched it to set those expectations
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http://www.businessinsider.com/baby-boomers-caused-millennials-destructive-spending-habits-2017-6
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Rob Cesternino posted...

http://www.businessinsider.com/baby-boomers-caused-millennials-destructive-spending-habits-2017-6

this is going to be another consequence: that generation of withdrawn men is 100x more frugal

when youre not with a woman you dont go on expensive dinner dates
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clearaflagrantj posted...

- We can't get jobs even with advanced degrees

- We can't afford houses, rent costs too much

- We see that marriage usually fucks us over, women can (and will) cheat on us and take half of everything

- Children are overexpensive shit factories that destroy your dreams

- Video games are extremely cheap and more fun that paying $22 for two drinks and getting called a creep by ugly THOTs at the bar

It's simple really.

You see I was with you up until the women part. No need to be sexist man
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Offworlder1 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

Xeno14 posted...

my chemistry bs got me a job offers at an entire $14/hr
why thats just $2 more then the manager at gamestop makes

not bad

He's making the big bucks, this high rolling baller.

i do quite well now, but i'm not really using much in the chemistry department aside from a few water decontamination chemicals.
My job is more sales then anything, though it helps to have technical knowledge when you are asked questions from a customer like Boeing or the VA
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Darkman124 posted...

when youre not with a woman you dont go on expensive dinner dates

I literally spend more on one vacation with the girlfriend than I would on an entire year's worth of leisure activities for myself
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Balrog0 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

when youre not with a woman you dont go on expensive dinner dates

I literally spend more on one vacation with the girlfriend than I would on an entire year's worth of leisure activities for myself

sounds about right

our trip to scotland was fucking expensive as hell, and when we go to sandals it's $3000 for a week

i dont understand how some of my college friends are constantly jetsetting, then i remember mom and dad pay for it

this summer she wants to do a professional photoshoot because she's lost some weight

and im just like wtf why would i want professional photos of my lumpy ass body right now?
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Darkman124 posted...

Balrog0 posted...

Darkman124 posted...

when youre not with a woman you dont go on expensive dinner dates

I literally spend more on one vacation with the girlfriend than I would on an entire year's worth of leisure activities for myself

sounds about right

our trip to scotland was fucking expensive as hell, and when we go to sandals it's $3000 for a week

i dont understand how some of my college friends are constantly jetsetting, then i remember mom and dad pay for it

this summer she wants to do a professional photoshoot because she's lost some weight

and im just like wtf why would i want professional photos of my lumpy ass body right now?

backpacking and staying in hostels makes it a lot cheaper

Can't get a well paying job even with a degree

Rent is too expensive

Everything is too expensive

If you're not good looking and 6' or over you get no play regardless unless you pay for it

Especially if you have a shy personality

It just makes you want to withdraw into yourself because it hurts too much out there. Especially the rejection. An example for me would be: I used to think my boss and I were pretty decent friends, we could joke around and there was seemingly always mutual respect... until I found out from a mutual friend that she thinks I'm creepy and is uncomfortable around me. Yet she'll smile to my face and all that. So I've stopped joking with her and trying to get her respect because why bother? I already know what she truly thinks about me.

It's just, why try when you're dealt with all the bad things I've been dealt with?
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It's important to note that not all young men are. Not even most of them.

For the ones that have, a combination of a lot of factors. unmotivated, lazy, the internet, pornography, video games. all of those things are part of it.
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Im really shy and short and fat

no sympathy for these people who are sad about being alone

the headline to me is that men today are just as happy as they were when they all worked, maybe more so

sadsacks would have been sadsacks before too
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Balrog0 posted...

Im really shy and short and fat

no sympathy for these people who are sad about being alone

the headline to me is that men today are just as happy as they were when they all worked, maybe more so

sadsacks would have been sadsacks before too

how short?
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Mystere posted...

Seems more like SOCIETY is dropping out of society. Go outside and notice how empty it is compared to when you were a kid. Even on an awesome summer day.

Why the fuck does 99% of the population stay inside?

Summer days are in the 80s or 90s with high humidity. 70s/low 80s with low humidity is fine. Even temps as low as 60-65 with high humidity are intolerable. Using awesome as a term to describe anything in summer (other than air conditioning) is a fallacy.
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WizardPowers posted...

Probably because like 100% of people aged 15-30 either have divorced parents or have multiple friends with divorced parents. Marriage is a gamble for men. If you win, you maybe get a happy life(not guaranteed). If she divorces you, your life is ruined.

Why risk 1/2 of everything you'll ever earn when there is like a 1 in 2 chance the woman you marry will fuck you over?

Is marriage really that bad now? I was born in 77 and have only one friend I knew who had a step father, and one of my aunts divorced and remarried. I am not even sure now i know anyone that's been remarried, outside of the internet. I met my wife in 1999 and had/have never once felt like I needed to worry about divorces because we genuinely love each other.

I know from threads on here that the dating game is scary af these days, and I am glad I don't have to get in it. But was it when I was dating in the 90's and I just got lucky cause I only dated a few times before I met my wife, and none of them were heart wrenching? I dunno, but it'd be interesting to hear some perspective if anyone wants to share it.
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the average man is unfuckable

the average woman gets blasted by limitless chad dick
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To be honest, I have no idea. But I do believe that I am too ugly to date anyone.
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Conflict posted...

AlephZero posted...

the average man is unfuckable

the average woman gets blasted by limitless chad dick

R/incel is that way ----->

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thanosibe posted...

Is marriage really that bad now?

However, about 40 to 50 percent of married couples in the United States divorce. The divorce rate for subsequent marriages is even higher.

That is for 2016. I assume it will only get worse as time goes on.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.

The problem isn't STEM, it's people half assing STEM. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

Only the hardworking people and outliers get what they want.
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Tappor posted...

Conflict posted...

AlephZero posted...

the average man is unfuckable

the average woman gets blasted by limitless chad dick

R/incel is that way ----->

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WizardPowers posted...

thanosibe posted...

Is marriage really that bad now?

However, about 40 to 50 percent of married couples in the United States divorce. The divorce rate for subsequent marriages is even higher.

That is for 2016. I assume it will only get worse as time goes on.

It's actually been declining.
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Just CE being CE in this topic
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Wotswayla posted...

Tappor posted...

Conflict posted...

AlephZero posted...

the average man is unfuckable

the average woman gets blasted by limitless chad dick

R/incel is that way ----->

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What circle jerk do we have going on in here guys
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What is stem?
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the bit of an apple that you eat last
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WizardPowers posted...

thanosibe posted...

Is marriage really that bad now?

However, about 40 to 50 percent of married couples in the United States divorce. The divorce rate for subsequent marriages is even higher.

That is for 2016. I assume it will only get worse as time goes on.

Divorce in the US, from what I can remember, has always been an issue. And numbers from studies do give an indication of something. But divorces can also be mutual and not vapid. I maybe my fault for miss wording my post; I was more asking is marriage itself that bad? Are there really that many people unhappy in the marriage experience itself, that younger men are feeling that they just don't want to bother with the concept at all?
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Marriage is a fucking nightmare for men. Why would you ever want to risk it for some ass?
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.

The problem isn't STEM, it's people half assing STEM. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

Only the hardworking people and outliers get what they want.

This is bullshit. Anybody that has earned a STEM degree has earned the right to a decent paying job, they have already worked hard enough. The problem is when they leave college they enter a job market that says "oh sorry best we can do is a 35K salary contract. No benefits." We have been told that if we work hard in school it will pay off for us, we have been lied to.

clearaflagrantj posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.

The problem isn't STEM, it's people half assing STEM. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

Only the hardworking people and outliers get what they want.

This is bullshit. Anybody that has earned a STEM degree has earned the right to a decent paying job, they have already worked hard enough. The problem is when they leave college they enter a job market that says "oh sorry best we can do is a 35K salary contract. No benefits." We have been told that if we work hard in school it will pay off for us, we have been lied to.

What's a decent paying job mean?

Man, going through my EE degree, it's not that difficult to half ass your way to the degree. I mean, ya you can get a job but it might not be the most technical job out there. I got a job in analog and some digital circuit design and thinking back to my classes, many classmates were for sure not strong in those areas.
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Think about it, what jobs actually require basic (undergraduate) knowledge about Biology or Geology? Now take that half dozen list you've pre-emptively gathered and think about how many companies actually need a constant influx of new talent.
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emblem boy posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.

The problem isn't STEM, it's people half assing STEM. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

Only the hardworking people and outliers get what they want.

This is bullshit. Anybody that has earned a STEM degree has earned the right to a decent paying job, they have already worked hard enough. The problem is when they leave college they enter a job market that says "oh sorry best we can do is a 35K salary contract. No benefits." We have been told that if we work hard in school it will pay off for us, we have been lied to.

What's a decent paying job mean?

Man, going through my EE degree, it's not that difficult to half ass your way to the degree. I mean, ya you can get a job but it might not be the most technical job out there. I got a job in analog and some digital circuit design and thinking back to my classes, many classmates were for sure not strong in those areas.

Word. As someone who graded almost half a thousand students in the past year it didn't really hit me until the last final I graded that these students are actually perfectly okay with a C. I never really realized this and I graded harshly (held students to a high standard) since my school is well known for the program I'm in.
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The instant gratification and progressive nature of video games (as in, working towards constant new goals) almost completely takes out the drive to succeed in real life, especially considering just how much more it's stacked in favor of those already successful. Social customs are changing faster than society can accommodate them.
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I don't think men are dropping out of society at all.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

GreatEvilEmpire posted...

clearaflagrantj posted...

STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.

The problem isn't STEM, it's people half assing STEM. You can bring a horse to water, but you can't make him drink it.

Only the hardworking people and outliers get what they want.

This is bullshit. Anybody that has earned a STEM degree has earned the right to a decent paying job, they have already worked hard enough. The problem is when they leave college they enter a job market that says "oh sorry best we can do is a 35K salary contract. No benefits." We have been told that if we work hard in school it will pay off for us, we have been lied to.

Most fields aren't going to pay fat stacks straight out of college, you have to earn your keep and move up the ladder for that.
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A better question would be; Why would I want to engage with society?

The grand majority of people out there are untrustworthy assholes, and they only become more dangerous when you expose your heart to them. I'll stick to being a shut-in, thanks.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

STEM is a myth, Science and Math don't even get you a job anymore, half of Engineering doesn't guarantee anything, entry salaries are abysmal these days, ~40K.

The STEM shortage was a myth spread to create an oversaturated labor pool for companies to pick from. It worked.

This actually seems largely true
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FYI anyone quoting the Kinsey Report, that book was written in 1948 (fitting). We're talking about trends that developed at the start of the civil rights era, and are now normative.

Today's modern women use men to get "stuff." Period. This happens when there's a too high male to female ratio, when women compete with men for jobs, and when 10% of the men hold 90% of the resources. Weve basically returned to a syrfs and lords paradigm, where a family with children is reserved for the afluent.

Back in the 40s and 50s, women genuinely married for love. The idea of strength within the family was honored. Nowadays, women have no respect for marriage, their children, or even themselves. So, men have to play a constant balancing act with someone impossible to please. The only way to find true peace and happiness is to stop worrying about it.

In fact, men are better off today focusing on their ambitions. Most of those 10%ers were once lonely, and aggressive men who got tired of playing to lose. The reason they're able to pick and choose is because women are a means, not the goal.
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In fact I can say with almost 100% confidence that society is slowly transitioning into a "matrix" type of society within the next 100-200 years. People are learning that the virtual world is more satisfying than reality. When near-total automation kicks in, there will be little reason to live in reality. It's going to continue on this path unless we treat video games like a recreational drug. Or if society collapses before the automation revolution.
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Leanaunfurled posted...

is this topic about suicide or something?

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