Board 8 > This is very unlikely, but is there a developer that has consistently been good?

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Liquid Wind
02/04/12 4:49:00 AM
#101:


retro and valve are the only devs off the top of my head with a perfect or near perfect record, team ICO too but it's hard to put a developer in the discussion when they've only made two games, not enough of a sample size and for the time they've been around the sample should be larger...
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BlackMageJawa
02/04/12 4:51:00 AM
#102:


Bioware (yes, I know everyone loathes them now, but they still haven't released a game I didn't like, so they make this list as far as I'm concerned).

Introversion (not many releases, but Uplink, Darwinia/Multiwinia and DEFCON are all good. Subversion looks great if they can ever finish it)

I would say Telltale, but apparently the Jurassic Park one is rather iffy, and they've just released Law & Order which is their first license I genuinely don't care about in the slightest, so they might be slipping. And again, loads of people seem to hate them already.

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th3l3fty
02/04/12 8:22:00 AM
#103:


From: BlackMageJawa | #102
I would say Telltale, but apparently the Jurassic Park one is rather iffy, and they've just released Law & Order which is their first license I genuinely don't care about in the slightest, so they might be slipping. And again, loads of people seem to hate them already.


Telltale also made the atrocious Puzzle Agent games!

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Metal_DK
02/04/12 8:26:00 AM
#104:


to everyone saying blizzard: its not 2003 anymore.

WoW was a great MMORPG, but its expansions? Hardly "great expansions". I'd also argue that the frozen throne in 2003 wasn't a great expansion for wc3 either.

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XxSoulxX
02/04/12 8:35:00 AM
#105:


Valve, obviously. Although, Portal 2 isn't their best work so who knows if they're slipping or not.

Rocksteady's got a good start. Only three games (two Batman games and some FPS game that got a bunch of 7s and 8s) so far, but if they continue to make games like Batman, they should continue to be great.

Blizzard pre-WoW would be on the list. Not so much anymore.

If you were blind to the world, you could put Nintendo on this list. They have a **** ton of awesome games, but a lot of crap filler in between. Link's Crossbow Training, Nintendogs, Wii Party, Wii Music, etc.

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Liquid Wind
02/04/12 8:46:00 AM
#106:


the hilarious thing about nintendo is that if you ignore galaxies all of their good games since 2002 are from retro and monolith, they should have tried to buy clover or something lol
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GaryOak151
02/04/12 9:16:00 AM
#107:


IS is a good option i didn't even think of that

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OctilIery
02/04/12 9:56:00 AM
#108:


To everyone hating on Blizzard: WoW is among the best in its genre easily. Just because you hate the genre doesn't make it a bad game.

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Metal_DK
02/04/12 10:20:00 AM
#109:


To everyone hating on Blizzard: WoW is among the best in its genre easily. Just because you hate the genre doesn't make it a bad game.

WoW is the best in the genre because the genre right now isn't "lets innovate". Its "lets try to just take as much from the wow community as possible". In business if you aren't goliath, you're david. Might as well try to think outside the box to try and topple goliath instead of trying to beat goliath at its own game.

WoW is like facebook. Its only "the best around" because everyone is on it. If everyone for some reason moved to another big MMO, it would be considered the best around.

With that said, WoW has gotten worse each expansion. Blizzard knows that people have invested so much time (and money) into their characters, that you aren't gonna see them leave to be a newbie again in another MMO.

To me, the best part of WoW was getting to the max level. To most WoW players? They constantly spit out the phrase "the game doesn't begin until (insert whatever the max level is at the moment)". Maybe they just say it because they want to believe it, but thats what they say. WoW, when it was relatively fresh from beta to burning crusade, was a great game. Its horribly dated now.

I'd also argue that SC2 is approaching "bad game" status due to a garbage single player story (SC1's story is as good as the best RPG stories of all time), and the fact that bnet 2.0 is an absolute pile of ****.

Hell, blizzard since WoW has been the epitome of whats wrong with gaming, and with almost none of whats currently great about gaming.

edit: this is a great few articles about why its getting harder to support blizzard

http://www.the-ghetto.org/content/the-creation-of-battle-net-2-0-part-one
http://www.the-ghetto.org/content/battle-net-2-0-the-antithesis-of-consumer-confidence

long reads, but worth it

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OctilIery
02/04/12 10:26:00 AM
#110:


Metal_DK posted...
To everyone hating on Blizzard: WoW is among the best in its genre easily. Just because you hate the genre doesn't make it a bad game.

WoW is the best in the genre because the genre right now isn't "lets innovate". Its "lets try to just take as much from the wow community as possible". In business if you aren't goliath, you're david. Might as well try to think outside the box to try and topple goliath instead of trying to beat goliath at its own game.

WoW is like facebook. Its only "the best around" because everyone is on it. If everyone for some reason moved to another big MMO, it would be considered the best around.

With that said, WoW has gotten worse each expansion. Blizzard knows that people have invested so much time (and money) into their characters, that you aren't gonna see them leave to be a newbie again in another MMO.

To me, the best part of WoW was getting to the max level. To most WoW players? They constantly spit out the phrase "the game doesn't begin until (insert whatever the max level is at the moment)". Maybe they just say it because they want to believe it, but thats what they say. WoW, when it was relatively fresh from beta to burning crusade, was a great game. Its horribly dated now.

I'd also argue that SC2 is approaching "bad game" status due to a garbage single player story (SC1's story is as good as the best RPG stories of all time), and the fact that bnet 2.0 is an absolute pile of ****.

Hell, blizzard since WoW has been the epitome of whats wrong with gaming, and with almost none of whats currently great about gaming.

edit: this is a great few articles about why its getting harder to support blizzard

http://www.the-ghetto.org/content/the-creation-of-battle-net-2-0-part-one
http://www.the-ghetto.org/content/battle-net-2-0-the-antithesis-of-consumer-confidence

long reads, but worth it


I'm seeing no actual complaints in this article, just constant QQ, and you getting close to saying WoW is bad because it's popular. I think I can just write you off here and now.

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masterplum
02/04/12 10:26:00 AM
#111:


Consistently good?

Blizzard was my thought, Valve also is a good option


Consistently not bad?

I would add Atlus and I really think Nintendo falls into that category. They usually never have bad games

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Metal_DK
02/04/12 10:29:00 AM
#112:


I'm seeing no actual complaints in this article, just constant QQ, and you getting close to saying WoW is bad because it's popular. I think I can just write you off here and now.

oh so you are one of those types. Spitting out your cute memes....ya ill just write you off then too

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hockeydude15
02/04/12 10:42:00 AM
#113:


From: Metal_DK | #109
(SC1's story is as good as the best RPG stories of all time)


Yep i'm going to trust your judgement on anything Blizzard related!

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OctilIery
02/04/12 10:44:00 AM
#114:


Metal_DK posted...
I'm seeing no actual complaints in this article, just constant QQ, and you getting close to saying WoW is bad because it's popular. I think I can just write you off here and now.

oh so you are one of those types. Spitting out your cute memes....ya ill just write you off then too


There were no memes in my post.

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OmarsComin
02/04/12 10:51:00 AM
#115:


WoW was a great MMORPG, but its expansions? Hardly "great expansions". I'd also argue that the frozen throne in 2003 wasn't a great expansion for wc3 either.

Grubby's talked about War 3 prior to TFT, and it doesn't sound very good. Mass kodo Orc mirrors, mass ancient of wars as a viable NE strategy, all kinds of whacky junk. Human could call militia at any expo so people would expand into their opponents base and call militia for a really dumb early game rush, I've seen a couple team game videos like that. I wasn't playing back then but it sounds like what we have now is better than what we had then. Really the only bad thing about current WC3 is some of the matchups suck. UD is an underpowered race, and Orc vs Human is just dumb.
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KCF0107
02/04/12 10:56:00 AM
#116:


Cannot believe that this has over 100 posts and I am the first one to say DMA Design/Rockstar North

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Metal_DK
02/04/12 11:01:00 AM
#117:



Grubby's talked about War 3 prior to TFT, and it doesn't sound very good. Mass kodo Orc mirrors, mass ancient of wars as a viable NE strategy, all kinds of whacky junk. Human could call militia at any expo so people would expand into their opponents base and call militia for a really dumb early game rush, I've seen a couple team game videos like that. I wasn't playing back then but it sounds like what we have now is better than what we had then. Really the only bad thing about current WC3 is some of the matchups suck. UD is an underpowered race, and Orc vs Human is just dumb.


those were all balance issues, not "omg TFT corrected this thank god" issues.

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pjbasis
02/04/12 11:20:00 AM
#118:


KCF0107 posted...
Cannot believe that this has over 100 posts and I am the first one to say DMA Design/Rockstar North

Is Max Payne that good?

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OctilIery
02/04/12 11:22:00 AM
#119:


pjbasis posted...
KCF0107 posted...
Cannot believe that this has over 100 posts and I am the first one to say DMA Design/Rockstar North

Is Max Payne that good?


Max Payne is great.

GTA, however, has been all over the place in quality.

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pjbasis
02/04/12 11:26:00 AM
#120:


I hope you're isolating what was Rockstar North in the GTA games!

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janembaman
02/04/12 11:32:00 AM
#121:


Metal_DK posted...
. I'd also argue that the frozen throne in 2003 wasn't a great expansion for wc3 either.

What is this I don't even...
Frozen Throne is pretty much the best example of how expansions should be


Cannot believe that this has over 100 posts and I am the first one to say DMA Design/Rockstar North

Well you got a point...
Though I don't like how they pulled a Dante over Max Payne
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OctilIery
02/04/12 11:42:00 AM
#122:


Also, manhunt sucked

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Naomi_Diamond
02/04/12 11:44:00 AM
#123:


I'm still gonna say Valve/Blizzard/Rockstar North/Team Ico.

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SunnyX
02/04/12 11:45:00 AM
#124:


Intelligent Systems isn't a bad choice, though FE11 and Mario Kart Super Circuit do drag 'em down just a bit.

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Xbyte
02/04/12 11:48:00 AM
#125:


Lionhead studios.

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Sorozone
02/04/12 11:51:00 AM
#126:


Team Ico? Really?

Nevermind them making 2 games, SotC has some of the worst controls and framerate issues I've ever seen.

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OctilIery
02/04/12 11:54:00 AM
#127:


Naomi_Diamond posted...
I'm still gonna say Valve/Blizzard/Rockstar North/Team Ico.

Blizzard is better for it than either Rockstar or Team Ico.

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tazzyboyishere
02/04/12 11:57:00 AM
#128:


Valve
Naughty Dog
Bioware
Insomniac
Retro

Would use evel-5, but WKC kinda ****ed that up for them.

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SlymDayspring
02/04/12 11:58:00 AM
#129:


Insomniac. can't believe nobody said them until tazzy.

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most_games_r_ok
02/04/12 12:00:00 PM
#130:


From: LeonhartFour | Posted: 2/4/2012 6:33:46 AM | #003
Naughty Dog comes pretty close.



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Menji76
02/04/12 12:02:00 PM
#131:


Square, no question.

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Vlado
02/04/12 12:09:00 PM
#132:


Kojima (duh)
Valve
Team Ico

Maybe not full, but 100% correct list.

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paperwarior
02/04/12 12:14:00 PM
#133:


Insomniac. can't believe nobody said them until tazzy.

I was including them with "PS devs". Although I never really got into Resistance.

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foolm0ron
02/04/12 12:15:00 PM
#134:


Valve, Blizzard, Naughty Dog, yeah we've covered them all

Kojima is a good one, though, especially if you don't include games he wasn't really leading like Peace Walker

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foolm0ron
02/04/12 12:18:00 PM
#135:


From: OctilIery | #114
There were no memes in my post.


QQ is a warcraft meme

It's way more mainstream now but yeah

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LeonhartFour
02/04/12 12:18:00 PM
#136:


Yeah, Insomniac is a good answer.

Keep in mind that "consistently good" doesn't necessarily mean they've never made a bad game ever.

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OctilIery
02/04/12 12:19:00 PM
#137:


foolm0ron posted...
From: OctilIery | #114
There were no memes in my post.
QQ is a warcraft meme

It's way more mainstream now but yeah


.....No, it's not.

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foolm0ron
02/04/12 12:20:00 PM
#138:


From: OctilIery | #137
.....No, it's not.


Yes it is, try again kid

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paperwarior
02/04/12 12:22:00 PM
#139:


Nintendo probably still doesn't qualify, though. They've had enough mistakes. It's not on topic, but I think the Kirby series qualifies.

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OctilIery
02/04/12 12:24:00 PM
#140:


foolm0ron posted...
From: OctilIery | #137
.....No, it's not.
Yes it is, try again kid


I've known the term long before Warcraft was a major name.

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KCF0107
02/04/12 12:24:00 PM
#141:


The first two Max Paynes were not developed by Rockstar North

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OctilIery
02/04/12 12:26:00 PM
#142:


paperwarior posted...
Nintendo probably still doesn't qualify, though. They've had enough mistakes. It's not on topic, but I think the Kirby series qualifies.

I can't think of a single Kirby game that wasn't at least good.

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foolm0ron
02/04/12 12:32:00 PM
#143:


From: OctilIery | #140
Or upon looking it up it's Warcraft 2. I was thinking you were referring to 3 and beyond.


lol next time don't delusionally change the meaning of what people say just so you can be right

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OctilIery
02/04/12 12:33:00 PM
#144:


foolm0ron posted...
From: OctilIery | #140
Or upon looking it up it's Warcraft 2. I was thinking you were referring to 3 and beyond.
lol next time don't delusionally change the meaning of what people say just so you can be right


Slang=/=meme

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Xbyte
02/04/12 12:36:00 PM
#145:


Arguing about memes on a video game character contest message board.

New level.

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KJH
02/04/12 12:39:00 PM
#146:


Treasure is an easy answer.

Clover Studios also works, since we know how long they lasted and what they made and all of it's good. Even Platinum Games is pretty close, what with their worst game being Mad World still having some good stuff!

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Accel ACE
02/04/12 12:55:00 PM
#147:


Nintendo. Whether or not their hardware is any good aside, their games have always been consistently good. Passsable at absolute worst, amazing at best.

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JJH777
02/04/12 2:05:00 PM
#148:


I don't think Nintendo should be discounted just because they put out a lot of games that we consider bad since they are aimed at casuals. They still make more good games than any other company. Since the wii has came out we have gotten SMG1+2, Brawl, MP3, TP, Skyward Sword, 2 Kirby games, DKCR, and NSMBWii. They also have everything they have released on the DS including one of the best Mario Karts, some great Mario/Zelda games, and all the Pokemon games. Really what other company has an even remotely comparable list of games released since this gen has started?

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janembaman
02/04/12 2:13:00 PM
#149:


I always thought QQ are eyes with tears!
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shadosneko
02/04/12 2:13:00 PM
#150:


Valve
Two Tribes
Clover/Platinum
Introversion
Harmonix
Team Ico

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