Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 159: In Which We All Vote For Sheamus

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SmartMuffin 12/30/11 3:07:00 PM #351:	Well, I think that's a little unfair. Jeff got derailed by outside-the-ring issues. We don't really know where exactly they were going to go with that one. It never got to see a proper ending, not that I think it would have been great, but you never know. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603477] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Well, I think that's a little unfair. Jeff got derailed by outside-the-ring issues. We don't really know where exactly they were going to go with that one. It never got to see a proper ending, not that I think it would have been great, but you never know. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/30/11 3:09:00 PM #352:	I'd be surprised if it never happened again. I think all that's necessary for it to start happening is for TNA to actually start running a competent product. Which I do think they have the talent to do. But yeah I think basically the key to turning him is to make a dominating heel force that people tune in to see. In fact I think that's the beauty of Cena and why it would be unique from the other dominating heel forces in that he wouldn't be a stable-- you can pretty much make him run the show alone because of his character. It's seriously like having Superman turn bad. Superman wouldn't need a band of underlings to rule the world in the comics if he went bad-- he could just dominate everything because he's freaking Superman. And the point of building Cena is to get people to start watching the show again-- then every hero he crushes draws people in more, and every hero that gets crushed gets built in the process. Cena is a huge bad guy that everyone wants to see drop and so more people tune in. That's the key. Also the Immortal storyline didn't accomplish anything because it wasn't good. If it felt like something that wasn't a desperate rehash of 90s and actually had a progression that made any sense at all, it could've worked fine! -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! <cite>Lopen posted [p:603478] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I'd be surprised if it never happened again. I think all that's necessary for it to start happening is for TNA to actually start running a competent product. Which I do think they have the talent to do. But yeah I think basically the key to turning him is to make a dominating heel force that people tune in to see. In fact I think that's the beauty of Cena and why it would be unique from the other dominating heel forces in that he wouldn't be a stable-- you can pretty much make him run the show alone because of his character. It's seriously like having Superman turn bad. Superman wouldn't need a band of underlings to rule the world in the comics if he went bad-- he could just dominate everything because he's freaking Superman. And the point of building Cena is to get people to start watching the show again-- then every hero he crushes draws people in more, and every hero that gets crushed gets built in the process. Cena is a huge bad guy that everyone wants to see drop and so more people tune in. That's the key. Also the Immortal storyline didn't accomplish anything because it wasn't good. If it felt like something that wasn't a desperate rehash of 90s and actually had a progression that made any sense at all, it could've worked fine! -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 3:09:00 PM #353:	And look at they're doing now, as a contrast. The storylines aren't as good as some of the Immortal stuff (before the "real Hulk Hogan" hogwash), but they're building some actual stars in James Storm and Bobby Roode, by putting them over established talent. For as much as we crapped on the way the Bobby Roode heel turned happened, because it was a pretty poorly done storyline, in the end they are MUCH better off for having done it, because now they've got two legitimate main eventers out of Beer Money when putting Roode over at BFG would have only netted one. And now they head into 2012 in much better shape than they were 4 months ago. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603479] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> And look at they're doing now, as a contrast. The storylines aren't as good as some of the Immortal stuff (before the "real Hulk Hogan" hogwash), but they're building some actual stars in James Storm and Bobby Roode, by putting them over established talent.For as much as we crapped on the way the Bobby Roode heel turned happened, because it was a pretty poorly done storyline, in the end they are MUCH better off for having done it, because now they've got two legitimate main eventers out of Beer Money when putting Roode over at BFG would have only netted one.And now they head into 2012 in much better shape than they were 4 months ago. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 3:17:00 PM #354:	From: Lopen \| #353 But yeah I think basically the key to turning him is to make a dominating heel force that people tune in to see. In fact I think that's the beauty of Cena and why it would be unique from the other dominating heel forces in that he wouldn't be a stable-- you can pretty much make him run the show alone because of his character. It's seriously like having Superman turn bad. Superman wouldn't need a band of underlings to rule the world in the comics if he went bad-- he could just dominate everything because he's freaking Superman. And the point of building Cena is to get people to start watching the show again-- then every hero he crushes draws people in more, and every hero that gets crushed gets built in the process. Cena is a huge bad guy that everyone wants to see drop and so more people tune in. That's the key. And I agree with you 100% that this would be awesome television and I would love to see it. My ONLY point is that there needs to be an end in sight for it, for SOMEONE to benefit beyond it, to help the health of the product long-term. The idea that "a heel force that people tune in to see" can even exist is a foreign concept to Vince's mind anyway, which is the biggest burden to overcome. Triple H with all his '80s NWA fanboyism can maybe get in his ear and push for it, but there's a reason that the heel WWE Title reigns in WWE history combined don't even equal 5 years. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603480] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: Lopen \| #353But yeah I think basically the key to turning him is to make a dominating heel force that people tune in to see. In fact I think that's the beauty of Cena and why it would be unique from the other dominating heel forces in that he wouldn't be a stable-- you can pretty much make him run the show alone because of his character. It's seriously like having Superman turn bad. Superman wouldn't need a band of underlings to rule the world in the comics if he went bad-- he could just dominate everything because he's freaking Superman.And the point of building Cena is to get people to start watching the show again-- then every hero he crushes draws people in more, and every hero that gets crushed gets built in the process. Cena is a huge bad guy that everyone wants to see drop and so more people tune in. That's the key.And I agree with you 100% that this would be awesome television and I would love to see it.My ONLY point is that there needs to be an end in sight for it, for SOMEONE to benefit beyond it, to help the health of the product long-term.The idea that "a heel force that people tune in to see" can even exist is a foreign concept to Vince's mind anyway, which is the biggest burden to overcome. Triple H with all his '80s NWA fanboyism can maybe get in his ear and push for it, but there's a reason that the heel WWE Title reigns in WWE history combined don't even equal 5 years. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeathChicken 12/30/11 3:18:00 PM #355:	Who was the last one they really had? Yokozuna? -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable <cite>DeathChicken posted [p:603481] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Who was the last one they really had? Yokozuna? -- We are thought, and reality, and concept, and the unimaginable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 3:24:00 PM #356:	Turns out I was exaggerating, it's actually just under 10 years. Yes I did the math. <_< But still, that's only 20% of WWE history! The title turns 50 in 2013! As far as the last one, either JBL or Age of Orton Orton, depending on how you would personally define a "dominant heel." -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603482] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Turns out I was exaggerating, it's actually just under 10 years. Yes I did the math. <_<But still, that's only 20% of WWE history! The title turns 50 in 2013!As far as the last one, either JBL or Age of Orton Orton, depending on how you would personally define a "dominant heel." -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lopen 12/30/11 3:26:00 PM #357:	See the difference is I think everyone who gets crushed by Cena will benefit just by virtue of being involved in a storyline where people really want to see them win even if they don't, with the amount of build they get to take him down being the most important thing rather than the result. Now I agree that the one who finally beats Cena should be thought of in advance, but that's so the ultimate victor can be properly built (since the guy who takes him down needs a bigger build for the story to flow well) before the storyline gets stale more than necessarily needing to have someone beat him to get fanfare. The guy who gets the biggest build will get more "over" than anyone who went against Cena regardless of whether he wins. It's just that if Cena isn't ultimately beaten the story doesn't get a good resolution, overstays its welcome like the nWo did, and then people tune out. -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! <cite>Lopen posted [p:603483] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> See the difference is I think everyone who gets crushed by Cena will benefit just by virtue of being involved in a storyline where people really want to see them win even if they don't, with the amount of build they get to take him down being the most important thing rather than the result. Now I agree that the one who finally beats Cena should be thought of in advance, but that's so the ultimate victor can be properly built (since the guy who takes him down needs a bigger build for the story to flow well) before the storyline gets stale more than necessarily needing to have someone beat him to get fanfare. The guy who gets the biggest build will get more "over" than anyone who went against Cena regardless of whether he wins. It's just that if Cena isn't ultimately beaten the story doesn't get a good resolution, overstays its welcome like the nWo did, and then people tune out. -- I tried to have a fierce rivalry with SuperNiceDog, but he made me look worse than a GameFAQs Contest! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 3:29:00 PM #358:	I still think it would be cool for Cena to about to turn heel when Kofi Kingston emerges from a time machine to stop the lynchpin event that caused the destruction of WWE. <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603484] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I still think it would be cool for Cena to about to turn heel when Kofi Kingston emerges from a time machine to stop the lynchpin event that caused the destruction of WWE. <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 3:32:00 PM #359:	Ehhhh, I wouldn't put Storm in "legitimate main event" quite yet. Especially given TNA's tendency to move guys up and down the card in the blink of an eye if they feel the need to. I mean, Desmond Wolf also did pretty good in a feud with Kurt Angle... -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603485] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Ehhhh, I wouldn't put Storm in "legitimate main event" quite yet. Especially given TNA's tendency to move guys up and down the card in the blink of an eye if they feel the need to. I mean, Desmond Wolf also did pretty good in a feud with Kurt Angle... -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 3:35:00 PM #360:	From: SmartMuffin \| #359 I mean, Desmond Wolf also did pretty good in a feud with Kurt Angle... Not this good! He won a match on Impact and then lost twice to Angle on PPVs. Also his downfall directly coincided with Hogan and Bischoff's arrival. I don't see anyone on the horizon to swoop in and cut James Storm's legs out from under him at least. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603486] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: SmartMuffin \| #359I mean, Desmond Wolf also did pretty good in a feud with Kurt Angle...Not this good! He won a match on Impact and then lost twice to Angle on PPVs.Also his downfall directly coincided with Hogan and Bischoff's arrival. I don't see anyone on the horizon to swoop in and cut James Storm's legs out from under him at least. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 3:35:00 PM #361:	Also his downfall directly coincided with Hogan and Bischoff's arrival. I don't see anyone on the horizon to swoop in and cut James Storm's legs out from under him at least. Uh, Hogan hasn't been on TV in a few months and Bischoff has been in a much reduced role. They could "re-arrive" any moment! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603487] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Also his downfall directly coincided with Hogan and Bischoff's arrival. I don't see anyone on the horizon to swoop in and cut James Storm's legs out from under him at least.Uh, Hogan hasn't been on TV in a few months and Bischoff has been in a much reduced role. They could "re-arrive" any moment! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 3:36:00 PM #362:	There are other examples though, too. Guys like Pope or Matt Morgan who were right there on borderline ME status and they quickly shoved back to the bottom. Let me see Storm get victories over more than one main eventer and I'll give you something. Roode too, for that matter. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603488] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> There are other examples though, too. Guys like Pope or Matt Morgan who were right there on borderline ME status and they quickly shoved back to the bottom. Let me see Storm get victories over more than one main eventer and I'll give you something. Roode too, for that matter. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 12/30/11 3:36:00 PM #363:	i honestly find it funny that we're running the idea of rock passing the torch to cena. what torch. if anything it feels more like cena got it passed to him at the WM he won, and from there he's spent half of this year passing it over to Punk. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:603489] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> i honestly find it funny that we're running the idea of rock passing the torch to cena. what torch. if anything it feels more like cena got it passed to him at the WM he won, and from there he's spent half of this year passing it over to Punk. -- The King Wang.Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 3:37:00 PM #364:	True, but Hogan is on-record as saying that James Storm is the sort of superstar he'd like to build the company around. Roode on the other hand...not so much. <_< I think a better comeback would have been "I mean, Samoa Joe also did pretty good in a feud with Kurt Angle..." <___< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603490] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> True, but Hogan is on-record as saying that James Storm is the sort of superstar he'd like to build the company around. Roode on the other hand...not so much. <_<I think a better comeback would have been "I mean, Samoa Joe also did pretty good in a feud with Kurt Angle..." <___< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 3:39:00 PM #365:	BTW, in what planet am I trying to give TNA the benefit of the doubt while Muffin is telling me to be skeptical? <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603491] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> BTW, in what planet am I trying to give TNA the benefit of the doubt while Muffin is telling me to be skeptical? <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 3:40:00 PM #366:	Well, Joe has an established history of being a main eventer in TNA. Yeah, he hasn't done it recently, but the history matters and he could be thrown right back into it without any longtime fans batting an eye (Abyss is another example of this, for a non-TNA example, see the fact that we're supposed to consider Kane a legitimate threat to Cena). Roode and Storm are both in that sort of "tryout" ME phase. Like when CM Punk cashed in on Jeff Hardy. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603492] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Well, Joe has an established history of being a main eventer in TNA. Yeah, he hasn't done it recently, but the history matters and he could be thrown right back into it without any longtime fans batting an eye (Abyss is another example of this, for a non-TNA example, see the fact that we're supposed to consider Kane a legitimate threat to Cena).Roode and Storm are both in that sort of "tryout" ME phase. Like when CM Punk cashed in on Jeff Hardy. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 3:43:00 PM #367:	Don't forget Anderson on that list of "Temporary Main Eventers." -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603493] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Don't forget Anderson on that list of "Temporary Main Eventers." -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 3:43:00 PM #368:	From: JaKyL25 \| #365 BTW, in what planet am I trying to give TNA the benefit of the doubt while Muffin is telling me to be skeptical? <_< Well, I think we see this differently. Personally, I see it as a strength that TNA is able to shoot guys up and down the card so far and so easily. It gives them more flexibility and something of an "embarrassment of riches" in terms of ME talent. Even the guys who never quite made it to main event could credibly be there quickly. I think TNA fans are more likely to take Matt Morgan seriously as a main eventer than say, WWE fans would be to take Wade Barrett as one, for example. They've spread their title around more than WWE has as well, so they have more guys who are legit by virtue of being "former champions." Hell, about half of their roster has main evented in the past three years or so... -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603494] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #365BTW, in what planet am I trying to give TNA the benefit of the doubt while Muffin is telling me to be skeptical? <_<Well, I think we see this differently. Personally, I see it as a strength that TNA is able to shoot guys up and down the card so far and so easily. It gives them more flexibility and something of an "embarrassment of riches" in terms of ME talent. Even the guys who never quite made it to main event could credibly be there quickly. I think TNA fans are more likely to take Matt Morgan seriously as a main eventer than say, WWE fans would be to take Wade Barrett as one, for example.They've spread their title around more than WWE has as well, so they have more guys who are legit by virtue of being "former champions." Hell, about half of their roster has main evented in the past three years or so... -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 3:44:00 PM #369:	From: JaKyL25 \| #367 Don't forget Anderson on that list of "Temporary Main Eventers." Really? I think he's been legit enough to be considered permanent. Decent reign. Feuds with the likes of Angle, Jeff Hardy, Sting, RVD, etc. I certainly have him higher on the long-term scope of things than Roode or Storm! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603495] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #367Don't forget Anderson on that list of "Temporary Main Eventers."Really? I think he's been legit enough to be considered permanent. Decent reign. Feuds with the likes of Angle, Jeff Hardy, Sting, RVD, etc. I certainly have him higher on the long-term scope of things than Roode or Storm! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 12/30/11 3:45:00 PM #370:	From: JaKyL25 \| #358 I still think it would be cool for Cena to about to turn heel when Kofi Kingston emerges from a time machine to stop the lynchpin event that caused the destruction of WWE. <_< I would pay so much money for this. SO MUCH MONEY. -- XIIIiscool (2:47 am): gets in a car I'M F**ING COMING FOR YOU RUSTY RustyMrMokka has left the room. <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:603496] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: JaKyL25 \| #358I still think it would be cool for Cena to about to turn heel when Kofi Kingston emerges from a time machine to stop the lynchpin event that caused the destruction of WWE. <_<I would pay so much money for this.SO MUCH MONEY. -- XIIIiscool (2:47 am): gets in a car* I'M F***ING COMING FOR YOU RUSTYRustyMrMokka has left the room. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 3:45:00 PM #371:	From: SmartMuffin \| #369 Decent reign. Feuds with the likes of Angle, Jeff Hardy, Sting, RVD, etc. Which one, the one where he lost it on his 2nd defense or on his 1st defense? And he lost every single one of those feuds. <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603497] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: SmartMuffin \| #369Decent reign. Feuds with the likes of Angle, Jeff Hardy, Sting, RVD, etc.Which one, the one where he lost it on his 2nd defense or on his 1st defense?And he lost every single one of those feuds. <_< -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 3:45:00 PM #372:	I'd actually say that Christian would be the good comparison to Roode (or Storm for that matter). A lifetime of midcard success followed by a couple non-convincing wins against ONE ME opponent. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603498] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I'd actually say that Christian would be the good comparison to Roode (or Storm for that matter). A lifetime of midcard success followed by a couple non-convincing wins against ONE ME opponent. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 3:46:00 PM #373:	Which one, the one where he lost it on his 2nd defense or on his 1st defense? And he lost every single one of those feuds. <_< They were compelling though! Or at least I think they were. I haven't watched a non WM/BFG PPV in the last two and a half years! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603499] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Which one, the one where he lost it on his 2nd defense or on his 1st defense?And he lost every single one of those feuds. <_<They were compelling though! Or at least I think they were. I haven't watched a non WM/BFG PPV in the last two and a half years! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 3:55:00 PM #374:	And actually there are a crapload of "former World Champions" on the WWE roster now. In the last two years alone they've given first-time titles to Sheamus, Swagger, Miz, Dolph, ADR, Henry, and now Bryan. Anderson, Storm, and Roode broke through this year to win their first World Title, but those are the only first-time World Champions TNA has done since Samoa Joe in 2008. If you want to count ex-Champs from other companies getting their first title in the new company, then you can toss in RVD and Hardy to the TNA list and Christian on the WWE list for a +1 net gain for TNA. EDIT: I guess when it comes to volume though, they're fairly even. Everyone close to the TNA main event right now has been World Champ, and in WWE you have Wade as the one outlier who hasn't been, but everyone else on both shows has. The highest-ranking non-World-Champ in TNA is probably between Bully Ray, Matt Morgan, and Crimson. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603500] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> And actually there are a crapload of "former World Champions" on the WWE roster now. In the last two years alone they've given first-time titles to Sheamus, Swagger, Miz, Dolph, ADR, Henry, and now Bryan.Anderson, Storm, and Roode broke through this year to win their first World Title, but those are the only first-time World Champions TNA has done since Samoa Joe in 2008.If you want to count ex-Champs from other companies getting their first title in the new company, then you can toss in RVD and Hardy to the TNA list and Christian on the WWE list for a +1 net gain for TNA.EDIT: I guess when it comes to volume though, they're fairly even. Everyone close to the TNA main event right now has been World Champ, and in WWE you have Wade as the one outlier who hasn't been, but everyone else on both shows has.The highest-ranking non-World-Champ in TNA is probably between Bully Ray, Matt Morgan, and Crimson. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 12/30/11 3:58:00 PM #375:	Face Sheamus is such a goddamn boss. Such. a goddamn. boss. Edit: There's something absolutely hilarious about this Bryan/Show passive-aggressive "feud" -- "I wish I was French." - blindhobo13 "I don't think you know what "French" means." - As I Desire <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:603501] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Face Sheamus is such a goddamn boss. Such. a goddamn. boss.Edit:There's something absolutely hilarious about this Bryan/Show passive-aggressive "feud" -- "I wish I was French." - blindhobo13"I don't think you know what "French" means." - As I Desire </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 4:17:00 PM #376:	And actually there are a crapload of "former World Champions" on the WWE roster now. In the last two years alone they've given first-time titles to Sheamus, Swagger, Miz, Dolph, ADR, Henry, and now Bryan. Well, this is obviously subjective, but I would say most of TNA's former champions are a lot more credible than most of WWE's former champions. Of all the guys you just listed, the only ones who were actually credible and stayed ME for any relevant amount of time are Sheamus and Henry. I feel like TNA has done a pretty good job of not giving belts to people then taking them right away without any major accomplishments. Probably because they don't have MITB. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603502] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> And actually there are a crapload of "former World Champions" on the WWE roster now. In the last two years alone they've given first-time titles to Sheamus, Swagger, Miz, Dolph, ADR, Henry, and now Bryan.Well, this is obviously subjective, but I would say most of TNA's former champions are a lot more credible than most of WWE's former champions. Of all the guys you just listed, the only ones who were actually credible and stayed ME for any relevant amount of time are Sheamus and Henry. I feel like TNA has done a pretty good job of not giving belts to people then taking them right away without any major accomplishments. Probably because they don't have MITB. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 4:19:00 PM #377:	Also, when it comes to counting champions from other companies, you have to remember that WWE being a "bigger deal" than TNA means that it's not an even trade in both directions. RVD coming to TNA being a former WWE champion puts him into ME consideration by default before he accomplishes anything in TNA at all. Christian returning to WWE being a former champion in TNA means nothing whatsoever, and if anything probably hurts his odds of advancing because Vince hates pushing guys from other companies! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603503] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Also, when it comes to counting champions from other companies, you have to remember that WWE being a "bigger deal" than TNA means that it's not an even trade in both directions.RVD coming to TNA being a former WWE champion puts him into ME consideration by default before he accomplishes anything in TNA at all.Christian returning to WWE being a former champion in TNA means nothing whatsoever, and if anything probably hurts his odds of advancing because Vince hates pushing guys from other companies! -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 4:21:00 PM #378:	From: SmartMuffin \| #376 I feel like TNA has done a pretty good job of not giving belts to people then taking them right away without any major accomplishments. Probably because they don't have MITB. Well they DID, it just went 0-3. <_< Also Storm and Anderson have 3 reigns combined to their credit with a grand total of one successful title defense between those 3.. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603504] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: SmartMuffin \| #376I feel like TNA has done a pretty good job of not giving belts to people then taking them right away without any major accomplishments. Probably because they don't have MITB.Well they DID, it just went 0-3. <_<Also Storm and Anderson have 3 reigns combined to their credit with a grand total of one successful title defense between those 3.. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 4:23:00 PM #379:	Right. I mean, I'm not even counting Storm in my list of guys who are legit MEers. I do count Anderson because of my perception of his success. Maybe objectively I'm wrong and maybe part of it is just how over he was, but I'd say that Anderson in TNA is at least as much of a main eventer as say, CM Punk prior to MITB 2011. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603505] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Right. I mean, I'm not even counting Storm in my list of guys who are legit MEers. I do count Anderson because of my perception of his success. Maybe objectively I'm wrong and maybe part of it is just how over he was, but I'd say that Anderson in TNA is at least as much of a main eventer as say, CM Punk prior to MITB 2011. -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Wanglicious 12/30/11 4:25:00 PM #380:	Del Rio's legit stayed in the ME and proved his worth in it. the man accomplished everything you could ask for as a credible ME guy. royal rumble, first match pinned a former champ, actually won it back on a PPV, successful defense on a PPV - he did everything you could ask for and legit belongs in the ME scene and has been there since basically debut. he turned that into a very credible status. Dolph is currently rising back to it. as Raw showed AGAIN, he's just a step behind Punk/Cena/Orton. Swagger's really the one who's fallen a ton. Miz has... stayed mostly on level. but as they're showing, on any given day if they want to push Miz into it they can do it. dragon's too new to judge. -- The King Wang. Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. <cite>Wanglicious posted [p:603506] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Del Rio's legit stayed in the ME and proved his worth in it. the man accomplished everything you could ask for as a credible ME guy. royal rumble, first match pinned a former champ, actually won it back on a PPV, successful defense on a PPV - he did everything you could ask for and legit belongs in the ME scene and has been there since basically debut. he turned that into a very credible status. Dolph is currently rising back to it. as Raw showed AGAIN, he's just a step behind Punk/Cena/Orton. Swagger's really the one who's fallen a ton. Miz has... stayed mostly on level. but as they're showing, on any given day if they want to push Miz into it they can do it.dragon's too new to judge. -- The King Wang.Listen up Urinal Cake. I already have something that tells me if I'm too drunk when I pee on it: My friends. - Colbert. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScareChan 12/30/11 4:30:00 PM #381:	If you don't have Miz as the guy that takes down Cena I think that it would coincide with my Ryder's Dark Spiral storyline amazingly. Ryder's down in the dumps and gets depressed because even his best broski Cena turned his back on him. He reaches out to Cena and Cena just FUs him to hell and back. Ryder's gone for a week or so. He comes back intense and says that Cena gave him a wake up call and that the people still love Zack, its just Zack that needs to love Zack and to do that he needs to kick Cena's ass. -- Circle gets the Scare! Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with <cite>ScareChan posted [p:603507] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> If you don't have Miz as the guy that takes down Cena I think that it would coincide with my Ryder's Dark Spiral storyline amazingly. Ryder's down in the dumps and gets depressed because even his best broski Cena turned his back on him. He reaches out to Cena and Cena just FUs him to hell and back. Ryder's gone for a week or so. He comes back intense and says that Cena gave him a wake up call and that the people still love Zack, its just Zack that needs to love Zack and to do that he needs to kick Cena's ass. -- Circle gets the Scare!Imagine if Jesus knew kung fu. That's what everyone is dealing with </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 4:34:00 PM #382:	I think that's asking a bit much of Zack Ryder, tbh. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603508] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I think that's asking a bit much of Zack Ryder, tbh. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartinFF7 12/30/11 4:59:00 PM #383:	Zack's a bit too busy for an angle like that, anyways. He's got the puppy love for Eve at the moment. -- I'll see you in Hell! (From Heaven!) <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:603509] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Zack's a bit too busy for an angle like that, anyways.He's got the puppy love for Eve at the moment. -- I'll see you in Hell! (From Heaven!) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 5:02:00 PM #384:	http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/218-pro-wrestling-wwe/61510978 Okay, this board is now beyond all hope. Is there any way to drop a nuclear bomb on a message board? -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603510] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/218-pro-wrestling-wwe/61510978Okay, this board is now beyond all hope. Is there any way to drop a nuclear bomb on a message board? -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmartMuffin 12/30/11 5:04:00 PM #385:	I think you're just biased there, Jak. Actually I've been meaning to say this for a long time. Don't you think you've thanked Eddie Guerrero enough? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpg http://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ <cite>SmartMuffin posted [p:603511] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I think you're just biased there, Jak. Actually I've been meaning to say this for a long time.Don't you think you've thanked Eddie Guerrero enough? -- SmartMuffin - Because anything less would be uncivilized - http://img.imgcake.com/smartmuffin/barkleyjpgde.jpghttp://dudewheresmyfreedom.com/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 5:05:00 PM #386:	Nope. He remains a constant source of inspiration in my life! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603512] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Nope. He remains a constant source of inspiration in my life! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SHINE GET 64 12/30/11 5:13:00 PM #387:	Goldust in a suit what am I looking at -- http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5261/082e4e38062bfea4ec6fc8e.jpg http://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/a/CaptainRockman.png <cite>SHINE GET 64 posted [p:603513] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Goldust in a suit what am I looking at -- http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5261/082e4e38062bfea4ec6fc8e.jpghttp://www.yourgamercards.net/trophy/a/CaptainRockman.png </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
XIII_rocks 12/30/11 5:20:00 PM #388:	yess -- http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/6.gif <cite>XIII_rocks posted [p:603514] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> yess -- http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/6.gif </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 12/30/11 5:26:00 PM #389:	"I signed you back to smackdown" JOYGASM -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It! Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog <cite>GTM posted [p:603515] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> "I signed you back to smackdown"JOYGASM -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It!Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MartinFF7 12/30/11 5:31:00 PM #390:	Man, none of you guys watched Smackdown like, 8 hours ago? C'mon son -- I'll see you in Hell! (From Heaven!) <cite>MartinFF7 posted [p:603516] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Man, none of you guys watched Smackdown like, 8 hours ago?C'mon son -- I'll see you in Hell! (From Heaven!) </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 12/30/11 5:32:00 PM #391:	"And Alicia Fox hits that roll up." "It's actually called an inside package, Cole." "So? Who cares? We're story tellers out here." A part of me has died. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:603517] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> "And Alicia Fox hits that roll up.""It's actually called an inside package, Cole.""So? Who cares? We're story tellers out here."A part of me has died. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PrivateBiscuit1 12/30/11 5:35:00 PM #392:	I don't understand what they're doing with Alicia Fox. And I don't understand what they're doing with Natalya. All I know is that I hate it. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1 Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! <cite>PrivateBiscuit1 posted [p:603518] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I don't understand what they're doing with Alicia Fox. And I don't understand what they're doing with Natalya. All I know is that I hate it. -- Xbox GT: PrivateBiscuit1Down with Zhang. Let there be Biscuit! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 12/30/11 5:36:00 PM #393:	KING BOOKAH -- bad advice http://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:603519] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> KING BOOKAH -- bad advicehttp://www.last.fm/user/snowcampsoldier </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 12/30/11 5:40:00 PM #394:	Isn't Kaitlyn supposed to be heel-ish? -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It! Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog <cite>GTM posted [p:603520] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> Isn't Kaitlyn supposed to be heel-ish? -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It!Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 12/30/11 5:41:00 PM #395:	I just noticed how Drew's goofy smile and conversation with Teddy long reminds me of Sheamus truly the best of friends -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It! Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog <cite>GTM posted [p:603521] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I just noticed how Drew's goofy smile and conversation with Teddy long reminds me of Sheamustruly the best of friends -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It!Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 5:42:00 PM #396:	From: GTM \| #394 Isn't Kaitlyn supposed to be heel-ish? They filmed a heel turn but then never aired it, so as of now it's non-canon and she's still face. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603522] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: GTM \| #394Isn't Kaitlyn supposed to be heel-ish?They filmed a heel turn but then never aired it, so as of now it's non-canon and she's still face. -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Viktor Vaughn 12/30/11 5:48:00 PM #397:	wat -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA <cite>Viktor Vaughn posted [p:603523] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> wat -- comin to your screen, straight from the magazinehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_-LPPdHEyA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 12/30/11 5:51:00 PM #398:	I thought she still walked out on AJ a few times -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It! Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog <cite>GTM posted [p:603524] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> I thought she still walked out on AJ a few times -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It!Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GTM 12/30/11 5:53:00 PM #399:	is Hunico/Camacho still affiliated with Epico/Primo/Rosa? I love big ass stables -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It! Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog <cite>GTM posted [p:603525] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> is Hunico/Camacho still affiliated with Epico/Primo/Rosa?I love big ass stables -- Got TURKEY MAGIC'D Woo Woo Woo You Know It!Guru Taken Miraculously by SuperNiceDog </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JaKyL25 12/30/11 5:55:00 PM #400:	From: GTM \| #399 is Hunico/Camacho still affiliated with Epico/Primo/Rosa? Not since that first time they 6-man tagged together. Maybe WWE is actually trying to show that they know the difference between Puerto Rico and Mexico! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero. http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg <cite>JaKyL25 posted [p:603526] in All-Purpos... [t:61482150]...</cite> <quote> From: GTM \| #399is Hunico/Camacho still affiliated with Epico/Primo/Rosa?Not since that first time they 6-man tagged together.Maybe WWE is actually trying to show that they know the difference between Puerto Rico and Mexico! -- Thank you, Eddie Guerrero.http://bryandanielson.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/photo3.jpg </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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