Lurker > shadowsword87

Yeah, sorry I've been quiet.
Work has really, really picked up. Like 12 hours a day if they could have it, picked up.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

ParanoidObsessive posted...

And of course, humans get +1 across the board, which is 6 total. Though the argument there is that humans are compensating for not having specific awesomeness or extra abilities by being slightly good at everything (though a lot of settings wind up swinging that back the other way by having "demihuman" races suffer social bias outside of their own communities).

Or you can get a +1 and a +1 with a feat. Which you can use that feat to give you a +1, so you get +2 something +1 something, and voila, you get to be a bit broken at level 1.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

But like I said, the question mostly occurred to me because the book suggests that choosing a subclass is optional, but why would you NOT take a subclass? Not only are you usually giving up at least one +1 ability mod, but usually at least a couple of other benefits.

Huh, yeah that's a pretty weird and silly to not do.
I guess if the GM is making wood elves, and high elves off the table, I would prefer to be a "stereotypical elf", but that's just because dark elves are so incredibly bad, like holy shit never play them bad.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I should probably prefer point buy (since almost every other RPG I've ever liked uses it or a variation of it)

I generally hate it as well, but I f***ing love Traveller's lifepath system. You just roll up with whatever character you want, watch them go through some sort of adventure, and then once they get close to dying, make them a PC! Just rolling dice and building a character out of what happens is fun sometimes.
I have run more than a few sessions of just making characters in Traveller.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

I'd probably allow a player who winds up with an overall total of 66-68 points or less (ie, slightly less than standard array) to either re-roll or just default to standard array/point buy, because I don't think a player should be punished just because random chance gave them s*** numbers across the board. Especially if they're in a group where another player rolled really well and now have this over-the-top PC who's good at pretty much everything.

Yeah, that happened with one of my current characters. I rolled, got some great stats and ran with it. My gf rolled hers, she got worse than she was before, and I can still feel the salt from it.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

You get both bonuses, because otherwise it would be silly to have some races get +2, +1 on stats, and some not.
There is a subrace of dwarf that gets +2 str, +2 con though, and those guys are awesome!

It depends on how I want the feel to be, high powered/low powered. Right now I just use the character array, it forces base abilities to 15, but that's fine. 5e is a low number game.
I have actually come around to 4d6d1 or 4d6k3 and then down the stats list, but that's because I've played everything and I want to force myself to try new stuff.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

ClarkDuke posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

ClarkDuke posted...

Muffinz0rz posted...

You must be outta the loop bruv

You required the tl;dr, ok?

The solution is just read dang

He's dyslexic, ok?

In the modern day, it's very hard for people to be illiterate, and he's trying his best, ok?
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Here's another RP observation for shadow:

It occurred to me today that it would be amusing to have a group of from 2-5 PCs, where each has to take at least one level of Bard (and preferably different Bard Colleges for each), with the end result being that they're basically a band that travels from town-to-town, performing, and solving mysteries in Scooby-Doo fashion.

I'm dead certain multiple groups have played this concept before, but I have no idea how survivable it is long-term for multiple squishy Bards. Even more so if they're pure Bards rather than multiclasses (which might change how effective their dueling Bardic Inspirations and the like synergize).

Bards Bards Bards, a game in the Fear the Boot Convention.
Everyone is bards, it technically exists, was played, and was apparently not that bad.

Honestly, as much as people joke about the all Bards game, it would be fine. It would mostly fall apart for spotlight reasons. Because of their idea of "a bit of everything, but not great at anything", just works if you have the raw number of healing/attacking/spells so you can get by. 5e would be the best way of handling it, because with the subclasses you can diversify at least a little bit, which even just saying "I'm the stabby bard" would mean the world.

It would be much less disruptive than the all-wizard party, or the all-barbarian party, or anything else. It's probably the best way to go.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

I feel like this would get you banned more than a few years ago.
This is weird to me.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

OmegaM posted...

she seems like the kind of person who'd be a vegetarian or vegan

That's a very different thing from:

OmegaM posted...

admits she's not a vegetarian

Because the first implies a "oh, I didn't know", the second one implies a deception.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Come on, watch better shows :/
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

I feel like this means something to investigators, buuuuut I'm not sure.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Online.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

GanglyKhan posted...

Maybe I'm reading your first post incorrectly, but what I inferred was that you were claiming that how long a game has existed is proportional to its complexity.

Yes.
I'm saying games grow with complexity over time. There is a cap to them, but even a game like Chess hasn't reached it's cap.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

GanglyKhan posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

Chess has been played for how many thousand of years?
In terms of strict depth, I think that one is clear.

So have checkers and mancala but I don't think there's much to those. Mancala is figuratively "Flowcharts: The Game."

And of those, which is considered to be the most complex?
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Chess has been played for how many thousand of years?
In terms of strict depth, I think that one is clear.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

green dragon posted...

Ibe never gotten s*** for playing video games

Neither have I, then again I don't tend to talk about my hobbies to people.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

i dun care

i dun watch the show
i dun care about the creator

i really dun care
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Just off the top of my head, in most of the really enjoyable games I watch online, not a single one involved player input in the world or story. For DCA, Chris Perkins basically just said "We're playing in Faerun, and the plot is going to reflect whatever rules book WotC is selling next". For Critical Role, Matt Mercer basically made up his own entire world which is mostly homebrew and detailed enough to fill multiple sourcebooks. The High Rollers game started in one world and just switched to another, both of which were homebrewed mostly from scratch by Mark Hulmes. And the PA Acq Inc games almost border on fanfiction Jerry Holkins has written for his character from the main games becoming the entire campaign for the C-Team (and all of which is set in Faerun).

Huh, which is probably why I wasn't as interested those podcasts as much as my podcasts.

Dan Repperger's Fear the Boot AP started off asking players what they wanted out of a setting, and Caleb Stoke's Red Markets game is everyone literally building the home base of the players. Both of which I love without a doubt. The other one I follow constantly, is Critical Hit, but that's just because the world is amazing and I've been listening to it for on and off for 5 years now.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Though I must admit, while writing out the stuff above, the idea did occur to me that, instead of magitech robots, there could be some sort of odd scenario involving a curse wherein dead heroes from the past have their souls bound to the PC somehow, allowing him to sort of "summon" them up in combat, where they act as ethereal versions of PC classes, who are dispersed for a specific period of time if "killed" in combat, but can return. Also with the implication that if the PC themselves die, they become part of the curse and their soul becomes one of the ones the NEXT PC who comes along will be able to summon.

But that still runs into my problem of "the DM has to RP the personalities of these characters, and justify why they're all willing to defer without question to the PC's orders in combat", which is why I kind of went with the idea of robots in the first place. Unless part of the curse is that these spirit wisps strictly the literal souls of the dead heroes, just echoes of their presence and identity, that sort of possess their skills but not their personality or self-will. So they're basically just slaves to the one who summons them, and respond to orders wordlessly and without question.

Which could also open interesting doors if the PC somehow attempts to figure out the root of this curse and potentially free the spirits, or even potentially cast Resurrection-type spells to try and bring them back to life, because I could actually see some players being really keen on the idea of some sort of tragic romance between their character and an ethereal phantom that looks like a sad, beautiful princess who they can never actually talk to or meaningfully interact with. But that loops back to the problem of having to play the "PCs" as NPCs again.

Also if you're not as interested in RPing a bunch of spirits, you could go more mean and say that it's a singular entity (devil, mythos god, whatever) that uses the spirits of the fallen as vessels to lure the PC into a sense of security and pushing further and further into danger. So when the PC dies, their spirit gets added to their resume.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Sure, you could kind of go the Disney princess route with animal companions, and have them all magic and sparkles and painting with all the colors of the wind, but I'm not enough of a hippie to play (or run) that as anything other than camp as f*** parody. Which probably isn't the sort of game most players would want in that scenario. It starts tripping the same warning bells that helped make Werewolf my least favorite White Wolf game ever (which is why, ironically, when playing the game about eco-warrior nature-loving werewolves, I always picked the technology obsessed clan with laptops and cyborg parts - because f*** nature).

I've actually been playing Druids more and more. Mostly because they're full casters in 5e, who at level 2 can transform into a motherfucking bear twice every short rest.
But I've played a character who wanted to be a liaison for the forest and out how to properly create a balance between cities and the forest. Viewing everything through a long-term angle as well, so letting them get fallen timber rights for finished goods, and so on. Then the game turned into a monster bash game, so I should probably revive him.
I've also played a lizardfolk who completely understood human culture, and just didn't give a shit. Eating some rats, nap on the street, and so on. Fun silly stuff, but it makes my point.
The point being that what people predefine as "druidic archetypes" just suck for games, and people can figure out other things to play, they just need to be creative.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

If anything, it's like if Star Wars had no Han or Chewie but Luke had 3PO and R2 but also a couple of combat droids. The story as a whole can still be about the Force and overcoming evil in one's heart and redemption and so on, but the guy shooting a blaster at the Stormtroopers is now made out of metal instead out of meat.

At the risk of starting another billion posts: oh, you mean Rouge One?
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Huh, this is weird.

Originally the "Traditional Republican Values" say that American ID Cards would be a massive overstep of the federal government leading to a totalitarian government.
It's just a weird flip is all.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

TheWorstPoster posted...

They don't.

Nonono, you miunderstood me.
You should do that.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

TheWorstPoster posted...

Where I live, all you need to do is tell them your name and street address. No showing any ID of any sort, whatsoever.
You can see the problem here.

Then petition for an American Civilian ID.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Because this twitter is leaking:
https://twitter.com/nihilist_arbys?lang=en
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Yup.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

No.

It's not about saying no, it's about how you say it.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

According to my state, Michigan, this is the steps.

1. Be eligible. It's just basic "live where you can vote".

2. Fill out an application. Do it 30 days before the vote.

3. Turn in application.

4. Get a card that says where to vote.

5. Direct quote about when voting, "Present acceptable photo ID at polls or sign an affidavit if no photo ID is available".

So... photo ID maybe?
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Nichtcrawler X posted...

What kind of mockery would the voting system be without a from of identity verification?

The US does not have citizen ID cards.
There are no government IDs that all americans are forced to carry around.

So it's not impossible to get government issued IDs without having all of the proper paperwork, or having some of the paperwork forged.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Plains have engines. Engines produce exhaust. If the intent is to spray the public with something it's highly inefficient to do it this way given how long they take to dissipate into the atmosphere.

Plus: rich people need to breath the same air we do.

Now, if suddenly everyone in the senate started walking around with air tanks, then I would be worried.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Zeus posted...

YOUHAVENOHOPE posted...

I don't think either way is technically "correct" I think it's up to personal preference

It makes a significant difference in terms of clauses.

Yeah, but grammar and language is a human created invention, it is what we, collectively agree on.
So you can yell at the clouds all you want, but that's not how it works.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Entity13 posted...

shadowsword87 posted...

TheWorstPoster posted...

you will all deny that voter fraud exists

How many cases of voter fraud exists?

I vaguely recall the number among private citizens to be lower than the number among politicians, but I don't have the numbers or examples in front of me.

From what I remember, both of which were so insignificant that it didn't matter.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

No just so I can annoy pedantic people.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Just the one I live with.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

TheWorstPoster posted...

you will all deny that voter fraud exists

How many cases of voter fraud exists?
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

So... people are upset because they want to play a game, and then they can't play it.
That makes them spoiled?
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

I will be honest, I think I just posted some garbage without thinking about it. I'm scratching my head over and over again with what the hell I was talking about, and I have no idea. Sorry about that.

My biggest problem is that it feels like you're just missing out on so much by predefining how the party will go around punching badguys, which this is DnD, so how you punch badguys is really important. So instead of asking what the player wants to do, and how to get minions, you're saying "robots! Robots everywhere!". Which, robots are cool, but if the PC wants to play a Druid who is against the inevitable march of time, and they all go trying to stop The Big Bad Corporation (TM), it doesn't make sense. Instead you could say that the Druid had various animal friends (bear for tank, wolf for stabby, squirrel for healer) who can get sweet new magic items to buff them up. Or if they're a demonic warlock they could have devils, demons, and reprogrammed angels. Or a thief could have a bruiser, a doctor, and an alchemist. Hell, if they choose to be that weird Iron Man Wizard (called School of Invention), with a mech suit and everything, from Unearthed Arcana, then those robots would make perfect sense no big deal.

I just feel like it would be better to ask the player what they want, and then building the world with them.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

He worked there for a little over 4 years.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Lincoln didn't die in the White House, I thought that's where ghosts normally hang out? Where they die?
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

You might want to wait for Chandra, Torch of Defiance to rotate out of standard first then.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Also, Snow-Covered Mountain can get pretty expensive, with $2.50 for a fine one, and $1.50 for damaged cards.
So I guess I want to know how budget you plan on making this.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

I just looked at the list.
Is that just mono red stuff?
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Zeus posted...

Wait, they brought that back? Oo

9 years ago I believe?

Also, I don't play modern, so.... no idea.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

You are really defining a lot about the PC before even asking the player, and the characteristics that you're giving them straight up negates certain archetypes.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Nomak-54 posted...

I think this is a good sign

You think?
You got a date man! Congratulations!
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

One of a few ways:

1. Make them super broken, maybe with extra actions or similar things to give them access to healing. This can make encounters extra-swingy with turns where the PC blows apart every single monster they come across, or just get smacked to death. You could just use solo monsters, but that gets boring after the 6th one.

2. Give them NPCs to boss around (during fights at least, outside of combat it's whatever is the most interesting). This requires a lot of effort on my part to give them personality and level them up all individually and make sure it works out. It would be potentially the most rewarding for both the player and the GM. This is the recommendation I see the most often from mechanics-minded people.
Maybe for a plot thing they should be royalty, or similar high position (or their boss). Because they will do a lot of saving that doesn't make sense for just another joe shmoe, because that's what players will do, they will focus mostly on their PC.

3. Fudge the numbers more than normal. Combat wanes when the player is feeling nervous about getting close to dying, and bumps up when things are too easy (up to and including having other monsters show up). This isn't the same as running up against a wall made out of monsters and expecting to come out fine, but that the average fight that a PC should be able to beat means that everything doesn't explode.

Any one of these requires balance on the GM's end because things will be weird while both people get into the swing of things. The part I would be worried about is that if the PC ever hits 0 hp, the encounter is over no question. With other players they could be a rallying point to try and save them and a back and forth, but if it's just 1 PC, it's much more of a tight rope.

I personally would go with 3 with a strong emphasis on how dangerous the world is. But that's also how I tend to run stuff in general. Combat tends to suck in my games, other options are always there.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

DPsx7 posted...

CacciatoPart3 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Asexual for the win.

This explains so much.

Just happened that way. Not attracted to people in general (probably because I've been exposed to so much stupidity online and off).

My eyes are rolling so far back in my head I'm worried they're going to pop out.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

I thought gay was an STD.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

I'd probably just make some sort of sign and sit reading a book.

I'm awful at hitting on people.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

DPsx7 posted...

the internet would have a lot less malware and invasive advertising

Oh, you mean cooking websites?
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

CacciatoPart3 posted...

Yo thats p mean fam he just tryna give her the d

We're posting on gamefaqs.gamespot.com we're all weird to some extent or another.

It's not like being weird means you can't get your dick wet, you just don't want to surprise people with it.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Does she know that you're weird?
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Ask her to meet up with you, probably somewhere public, then hang out.
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"

Do you think at all before you make a topic, or do you just show off what you just saw?
---

ImmortalityV, "I would like to kiss Icoyar to be honest in a non gay way though"