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streamofthesky posted...

I need a view from behind to make an informed decision

I don't mind the outfit at all, but don't male coaches have to wear full suits? I hate the dress code double standards, she can just be out there in what's basically casual wear and get praise from everyone. Guys should be able to coach in jeans and a polo shirt or whatever, then.

No, they dont have to. Some choose to. Some where track suits. Some wear t-shirts.

You can tell when somebody thinks they are extremely clever.

Unbridled9 posted...

I support the right to free speech. I would never support a nazi.

But you give its shared ideology white supremacy a pass because you think its overused. Good stuff.

You didnt once see me attack their right to say what they said, not advocate for government censorship. However, you have routinely in this topic expressed that you are fine with what people who share an ideology and their actions. I dont wait for them to pop up in my friend groups (btw, either you have a friend group that includes multiple Nazis or this is a fictional account). If actual Nazis are on one side, Im against that side and will stand up to them instead of pretending its a free speech issue. They CAN say whatever they want. Doesnt mean you have to defend it and what they are saying.

Unbridled9 posted...

Yea... No. I have no love for the nazi's and outright despise them and everything they stood for. I got nazi bullet holes in my family tree (lost several members to the camps). The moment anyone I meet advocates for it is the moment they get kicked out and I lose a friend. If you persist for even a second longer in this I'm slapping you on ignore without a second thought.

Why not? They have freedom of speech and, as disgusting as I find it, they're allowed to say it. I also find cannibalism morally reprehensible and a crime against everything human, yet people still make shows and movies about it (like that Hannibal movie and arguably every vampire movie ever) and I don't think it should be banned. If it were up to 'my morals' I'd be banning stuff like Satanism and what-not, but my belief in freedom of speech and religion is greater than that. As horrific as these things sound, they should be allowed to say them.

However, I just don't care anymore about the label 'white supremacist'. It gets applied to everything even remotely not in favor of the left wing now-a-days. I just don't care anymore.

Just going to say that the thing that allowed the Nazis to so easily rise to power in Germany was people allowing them to rise unchallenged.

Honestly, its disgusting that you would use dead Holocaust victims to promote you being against Nazis, meanwhile, no reason to stand up to people with shared ideology because freedom of speech. You are spineless and your ancestors would be disgusted by your response.

Person106 posted...

It sounds like you're being pedantic.

Look at your sig, bro.

I dont care what it sounds like. Its literally referring to a medical condition no a fictional race.

Do you believe that there isnt anybody who supports Nazi ideals?

SunWuKung420 posted...

If there's one thing I've learned from the history of oppression, is that in almost every instance the person telling you who your enemy is, is actually the enemy.

Im your enemy.

Its not a slap in the face to first responders who are the people who most often have to deal with the person after they die from an overdose or bad batch.

The Fountain
The Artist

Mostly when directors want to be mastabatory about their work or the film industry.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Actually am surprised by this. Which makes this whole affair even more pathetic. Just a vocal minority of loud, smoothbrains that aren't going to change shit.

Its like when we were told 10,000 NYPD officers would resign. It was 34.

Person106 posted...

Except it is what they're known as. It's just not a universal term.

Also, for funsies: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/189/715/161.jpg

Again, its not, if you choose to call them dwarfs, it should be with an F because its dwarfism. Dwarves is a Tolkien word.

Thats a cute picture. Nobody called you Hitler, especially not me. Whats it like to play victim?

Revelation34 posted...

For something like that there are no official terms. Just ones that are more preferred.

Except in this case, if you want to call them dwarfs, its with an f because its related to their condition of dwarfism. Dwarves is literally a Tolkien term for a fictional race.

A reminder that 90% of the trucking industry is vaccinated.

Person106 posted...

Oh, the horror. Someone referring to them as dwarves when that's what they're known as in real life. Need another hanky?

Thats not what they are known as in real life. Its literally a fantasy term. Especially when you pluralize it to dwarves, which was a spelling change made by Tolkien.

90% of the trucking industry is vaccinated.

hypnox posted...

Its not the fact I have too use google, its the fact they do BS like that to their customers. Its called having principles and standing by them. I bet you still buy from companies with fucked up practices. Grow a backbone man

You arent a customer though.

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Please oh please oh please tell me where I said anything about Costcos ethics, you over-reactionary ninny.

I said they reportedly treat their employees well.

They had 5 billion in revenue last year. Its reportedly a great company to work for that treats their employees well. If you cant figure out how to navigate over to google and your response is to be hostile, no, they probably dont want you as a member.

I went to both and Im not sure what either is. Worried it gave my device a virus though, they looked sketchy.

InfernalFive posted...

This. Literally everyone gets stressed.

Thank you. Im so incredibly confused by this question.

Theres an entire industry of people who do this in world of Warcraft without NFTs. Almost as if NFTs are superfluous.

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Meaningless word is meaningless

Decoy77 posted...

I hope this costs 7 dwarfs their jobs now that Disney would have cast. Good job Peter...good job...

I think the fact that you are referring to them as dwarfs does more to emphasize his point than you thought when you wrote it.

ArvTheGreat posted...

Does she have a penis now too

plot twist: She always did.

The steak juices.

wpot posted...

I don't have a whole lot more to add: this was kind of an aside to the point I was originally trying to make, and I generally agree that Disney is trying hard to be diverse and do a good job, and I agree that trying too hard is better than not trying hard enough given their history.

As for cultural accuracy/magic, it's not that it's impossible for anything to happen in a magic world. They could all get warped to Atlantis and "it's magic" would explain it, technically. It's that trying too hard to add diversity (cynically or not) causes its own problems IMO: *my* gut reaction is that sweeping subcultural/cultural differences aside and saying "we can all give up who we were and assimilate into 1700s France" has its own problematic implications. And then there's some loss of immersion and the inevitable counter-reaction from the right.

...but maybe I'm wrong and it's worth it. I'd be interested to hear anyone from a 'subculture' tell me if that felt corporate/fake to you or whether you thought it was good/helpful. I expect there are a variety of opinions.

So the beast turned human and talking furniture that attacked them from a magic spell would make total sense to the people of 1700s France, but a black servant is toooooooooo much. Got it.

First, I would like to point out that the roles filled by people of African descent are mainly servants, which did exist in 1700s France. I think there was maybe 1 character who wasnt a servant and was also not white.

Secondly, if we are going for cultural accuracy Gaston would have been arrested as only nobility was allowed to hunt in 1700s France.

Im just perplexed that a person who is clearly intelligent and thoughtful would give any consideration to cultural accuracy in a remake of a Disney movie about magic and transformation. I mean, they also did not sing entire conversations in most of French history.

Come on dude. Cultural accuracy in a childrens movie with singing and a magic rose????

shadowsword87 posted...

"Lemmie check yo poop see if there's a wiggler" is a pretty simple conversation.

IDK man, I never asked my cousins about their poop. Maybe thats commonplace in your family.

Its either a physical issue such as a tapeworm or a mental health issue.

Neither of which is likely to be tackled through simple conversation. Im not saying you shouldnt try anything, but there isnt an easy way to discuss it nor is it an easy change to make.

Kimbos_Egg posted...

huckleberry finn.

After a brief search, it would appear that this happened first in Mississippi in 2017. You know, that famous liberal enclave known as the state of Mississippi.

Care to take another swing? This time presenting an actual case instead of naming a book which was banned in a conservative state before it was banned anywhere in California.

Also, a lot of what Im seeing is removing it from required reading lists and not banning.

wpot posted...

You don't really need to strawman me here. I'm not talking about believability, as you well know.

Its not a straw man. Its me pointing out that you are talking about cultural accuracy in a movie where a persons life is determined by petals on a magic rose.

Its not meant to be a historically accurate portrayal of 1700s France. Its not a period piece. Its a remake of a Disney movie.

LinkPizza posted...

The IIRC was probably more of a habit than an actual I cant recall it. And maybe it would have died. But most likely not. Those old stories are still around. And if Disney didnt remake, I assure you someone else would have. And they may have kept the original work. Disney changed it (and many other dark stories) to be more kid friendly. Which I believe is a good thing

I also see no issue with certain stories living forever. People like them. So why end them. Just because you dont like them

Even if Disney stops telling the story, someone else would pick it up. And the stories arent going away anytime soon. Theyve been around for a while. Hundreds of years, I think

But Im talking about the diversity. Whether they had diversity or not, they would be squeezing money out of successful characters. So, Im not sure what that has to do with the diversity part

As for making new movies, they do sometimes. But even then, they might just take an old fairy tale people forgot of and make it diverse. Which is also fine. I dont see a problem with that. Or if they make a classic diverse Its fine either way

If you asking me if its ok, I think its fine. By asking the way you did, it makes it sound like youre against diversity, tbh Also, since these are fairy tales and not true, I dont really see why youd have to go for realism or what would be appropriate or whatever Most involve magic and shit

He already stated that talking candelabras are not an issue but a person of color in France is a bridge too far.

wpot posted...

Like I said there are bigger problems, but yes: it's an issue. (To say nothing about how it 'feeds the beast' on the right) What happens in the movie doesn't much matter.

Just wanted to make sure that what made a movie unbelievable for you was black people in France and not a talking teacup.

wpot posted...

Well, the "IIRC" is the point, isn't it? It would have died and been forgotten if it weren't for Disney. Not all stories, even the ones selected by Disney, need to live forever. Granted, Disney will try to make them last forever (with good success) but they don't NEED to. And they shouldn't in some cases. But yes, in this case Disney isn't going to go that route.

What they're really trying to do is to squeeze more money out of characters that have been successful, of course. However, I'm not convinced it's the RIGHT thing to do. Why not make new movies about places that are actually diverse rather than forcing it into unnatural settings? Or at least change the setting of Beauty from France to, say, Houston: go West Side Story with it!

Really: is it truly appropriate to show people who appeared to come from different cultures all happily assimilated into a white/French culture...? It employs diverse actors, sure, but is that REALLY the right message? Wouldn't it be more appropriate to see traits from different cultures rather than expecting the French one to dominate? I say they made a surficial change that looked good on the surface but that they weren't really doing anyone any favors in the big picture.

Anyways, given their past it's good to see them trying and there are certainly bigger problems. I just disagree with that style of modernization.

I would say Hamilton did something similar, but better: they added characteristics from different subcultures rather than just different faces for the sake of different faces. There was more of a point being made...although it worked better on some levels than others.

So, your issue with a movie that features a witch who transformers a person into a monster and his servants into furniture is the cultural accuracy?

LinkPizza posted...

I mean, like I said, they shouldnt force it into everything. But I do understand trying to add more diversity to some older stuff. Lots of older stuff were made in different times with less diversity, so I see what theyre trying to do.

As for letting movies die, they probably wont happen. The classics are classics for a reason. And people will buy it pretty much every time the vault opens. Not only that, but the story itself wont die, anyway. Its not a Disney story. Disney has their own version, but the original came from somewhere else, IIRC It was a darker story, as well

I agree

I like when people get upset that classic Disney movies are being changed because Disney has almost zero original stories in their classic catalogue. Even Frozen is based on a HCA story.

Cacciato posted...

Do you not?

I just get so confused by the connections that are made. The original Snow White is still readily available on Disney+ and through online purchase at many retailers. Moreover, the original story is in public domain and anybody can make a movie about Snow White and the Seven Dwarves as long as you dont call them the names.

I also dont see how Peter Dinklage voicing his opinion on a Disney remake is the same as a government authority banning a book.

dioxxys posted...

You say that but then its things like taking the seven dwarves out of Snow White and the Seven Dwarves XD

Are you comparing The Holocaust to Snow White?

They are obsessed. Its called fetishization.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

One's a blu-ray player, so yes.

we agree on something.

MartianManchild posted...

Sure you can cherry pick a few instances of Republicans banning things, but liberals are notorious for their cancel culture and wanting anything that remotely offends them removed/banned.

Show me the books a liberal school board has banned.

Providing a specific example isnt cherry picking, its presenting factual evidence. Now, if all you have is hyperbole and rhetoric, move along.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/26/tennessee-school-board-bans-holocaust-comic-maus-by-art-spiegelman.html

Jen0125 posted...

It's kind of mini socialism because it's all risk pooling

Except for the part where its run by a company that makes a profit with no control by the people it impacts.

papercup posted...

Insurance? This has the stink of socialism all over it.

Private insurance is literally the direct opposite of socialism.

Muscles posted...

Racism is thinking 1 race is inherently superior/inferior to others, so no

This is how a child conceptualizes racism.

Progressives: Hey, can major corporations would you be able to pay a livable wage and provide healthcare?

Major Corporations: We can definitely change the mascots.

Progressives: We didn.

Major Corporations: Say no more.

jiffdiff posted...

The wording on that bill is obnoxiously vague. Discomfort is subjective. It's essentially making it so you can't talk about race at all because someone somewhere will always feel discomfort.

This guy gets it.

Notschmendrake posted...

Better paying doesnt mean better though. Would you rather make an extra dollar an hour with a completely toxic sup, or a dollar less with someone who is a delight to work for?

I literally took a ten grand paycut for a similar job because of how terrible the previous one was.

EvilMegas posted...

It's legal, just "unethical". Your employers want to keep you for as cheap as possible.

What about it is unethical?

No, its called head hunting. Its an entire industry.

Veedrock- posted...

Bitcoin is literally currency in several nations.

I believe it is one of two currencies used in El Salvador, the other being the US Dollar.

Are there others because several nations means multiple, but I only see evidence of 1?

I dont know anybody who thinks of McDonalds as anything more or less than it is.